I Need To Express Myself. Stick Up For Me. [Archive] - Bombing Science: Graffiti Forums

PureSole

12-30-2005, 03:17 AM

You know, No matter how much I write, read, listen, speak. I still need to express what I think. There is mass corruption in society. We are not corruption. I don't know about you guys but I found that the reason I went back to writing on stuff after elementry school was the freedom I have to express. Hate me for this post, I don't care. I need to get shit off my chest. Its sad I have to do it online. Our society has crippled us to bie lies and accept everything, even if its against your gut feelings.

I hope you guys tollerate me and what Im saying. I think its appropriate I put it here because graffiti is just that...expression. Its vandalism and expression. If these two aspects were eliminated, it would be reduced in appeal to public. I know that I analyze shit too much but Im sorry. You guys, please wake up, look around you! SAVE US! SAVE ME, SAVE YOU.

We are brothers and sisters and yet we hate each other. We are raised to think on terms of race. Its not race. Its wealth. Rich or poor. Then it boils to the rich in charge. What happened to us? Why to we argue over insignificant shit? Im scared of the truth, no lie. Why are we scared? Why dont we seek truth? Why is this community against itself? Graffiti is about us. We need to stick up for our fellow man. We need to unite. We need to stop the snitching, ratting, whatever you want to call it. We need to stop the 'scene wars' where 'hardcore' collides with 'hip-hop'

Im a hip-hop head. But let me be honest. Who is keeping it real? The non-hip-hop heads. we are scattered. Expresion is dying. We are all turning to club scenes and submitting to sequirity. Why can a kid gang-bang and run the second he sees a cop? Today I saw some kid skating being arrested. His rights were violated. He was searched. I can't judge you if you are real. How can I hate you when you breathe the same air and drink the same water? The only ones I hate is oppressors and ignorant fools. We are spreading it and people are turning on siblings, on kin, on family. If you cosider what im saying the least bit honest, please dont consider me a friend. Consider me family. We came from the same place, wether you believe in God or not.

You are the universe. You can change what you want in certain aspects. Re-unite. Stick up for the kid in street being picked on, stick up for your rights. Dont submit to war. War is big governments doing big bussiness. If anything, we should consider ourself part of a revolution, one that set its roots over 50 years ago...one that has been around as long as we know, from the cavemen in France to the Pyramids in Egypt.

I hate to boil it to this but the race shit sucks. Cultures are being destroyed. If you are white, reconsider it. Are you really just "white"? Whats your nationality? Cultures? Connect with your roots. Dont be a dummy. Dont work as a unit according to a system. I observed the kids you guys call "emo" or fake whatever. Reconnect them to the world. Dont let music own you. Like DJ shadow has a song (which I uploaded due to BS, thanks!) What does your soul look like? Coneect. Next time you see a "gangster" with kanye west's wardrobe running from the cops, smack him. Why do we resort to this level?

Im confused as fuck. Drugs are destroying society. Weed is known to simulate the brain and is good, but its illegal. Cigarettes have toxics, they are legal. Why? Weed has no way to be taxed in America yet due to high import. The gov. wont make good money. Stop this shit. Be real. Save us. Were fading away to look like photocopies.

This is our move. What will it be?

Stay real.
One

AMAZ tbscrew

12-30-2005, 03:30 AM

:o :huh: o shit hes right

SCRAPS

12-30-2005, 04:07 AM

Sadly true.

chas

12-30-2005, 04:30 AM

hes right us as graffiti artists have to be at one with eachother we have not to fight we are on the team yet we still fight all graffiti artists are on a team we are aganst the system aganst what we do this kid has a point we need to stick together and be strong

PureSole

12-30-2005, 04:43 AM

man i dont know. Was it this bad when our parents were kids? We gotta pull our generation togheter. Our culture.

J.A.B.

12-30-2005, 04:48 AM

hahahhahahahaahahahh

frakture

12-30-2005, 04:53 AM

Yes all this is true. But..... How old are you? Your talking like your a 45 year old professor of social structure or some bollocks. Your looking to far into this. Theres nothing you as an individual can do. Many people can change things but you fighting a losing battle. Just chill and think, 'lifes too short'. Because it is.

GeSuS_KRiST

12-30-2005, 05:02 AM

good post, but as for the beef between writers it will always be there... theres always gonna be the ego inflated motherfuckers who think there better then you and start shit and if your like me you dont stand for it....

im also a true hiphop head but trying to keep hatred out of the hip hop scene is impossible i mean look at all the battle rappers, look at non phixion, look at necro all negtive influences all they talk about it murdering and killing... its bull shit

as for corruption i tottally know how u feel i was just illegally arrested, tired, and imprisioned on the west coast for graffiti that they have no evidence of, nor can they prove even exists but yet because i have pericings, tattoos and dreadlocks i got to jail.... tonight i was stoped by the police why because me and a few people where kicking it on a corner next thing you know 4 cop cars are there "why are u all congragated on this corner they ask" because its a red light and we cant cross..... but no just cas where know well 2 are graffiti vandal all 4 as drug dealers, and 2 others cas trouble makers where stop and held for almost an hour, so i do what any self respecting person who had illegal items on him and was just bombing around the corner would do... slowly dissapear into a dark ally... rest of the night i was stocked by the police and fallowed by undercovers...

as for snitching.... you cant stop that its just people who would rather drop some names for a lower sentence and not go to jail cas there low life faggots...

as for sticking up for the kid on the street being picked on and for my rights im all about it... i VERY educated in laws and rules which give me a bad rep with police cas i know when there doing somthing wrong and they dont like that...

over all a very good post man..... respect

One

Volume_one_

12-30-2005, 06:21 AM

Wow thers some deep shit on this tread

lol that was his 400 post good way to start a new set of 100

`~SNEK~'

12-30-2005, 08:21 AM

freakatur - why the fuck does it matter how old he is.... age has no realtion in graffiti so just take it for what it is.... thats that..

i just loved how real this post felt.... i believe that all the hate and shit came out of the music we listen to....

lets take it a lil while back.... im not from the 80s but i know my history....
back then hip hop was mored based around havin fun, artists like furious five and kurtis blow proved that.... graffiti also had the same effect.... all the writers were "connected"... i believe this "connection" was lost sometime when hip hop lost its vibe... they started rappin about sex, drugs, killin people... i think this is when graff lost it.... it just went to a point that the music and modern hip hop were joined.... now graffers would go kill someone for writin over there piece that took them a long time to do... and all this hate i believe is comin from what the rappers say.... i personally have sorta stopped listening to mainstream... i hate g-unit.... im not a fan of dipset.... i actually could care less about what all the rappers have to say..... i listen to a song because its a song..... not because its made by some notorius rapper is it gonna be better than any others... my ears are the ones that judge whats dope and whats wack.... but the point is that now that all this beef is goin on in the music industry its affecting the graff world.... if you have state your name... pay close attention to what some of the writers say in their interview.... youll see what i mean...

peace...

runci

12-30-2005, 08:23 AM

AMEN to sole

n a good choon that aslo toks about the stuff u were on about is immortal tech.. - one (remix)

its on his rev.. vol2 album

NiHiL

12-30-2005, 08:41 AM

wake up to the real world ppl...

Klaz

12-30-2005, 08:44 AM

Nah man you Hip-Hop heads shouldn't take that(gesus,puresole).
i never really knew "hardcore" kids were into graffiti but graffiti is hip-hop.
It was hip-hop before hip-hop was invented.it's pure hip-hop becuase noone can rate it noone can control it no one can stop it.

orite take it this way
Hip-hop sells out nowadays to the evil world of Rap. 50 cent rides in the escalades while an actually decent rapper is still tryin to get known.
Graffiti can't sell out despite what some threads say.
Nobody owns graffiti

and about the other stuff you said
well like most art graffiti is expression but it's a expression which is actually worth something.Any ***** can get two buckets of Dulux and pour them onto a canvas then spring it for £10,000+ but graff is the only art that is free to see,nobody owns graffiti,graffiti travels,graffiti is the only art form where people take turf and are very competitive.

HELL!!! i wouldn't be surprised if Graffiti turned out to be the only art not destroyed by the media.

anyway that's my little bit.
Word to everyone expressin themselves on this thread
Big up Puresole
Peace

`~SNEK~'

12-30-2005, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by Klaz@Dec 30 2005, 08:44 AM
Nah man you Hip-Hop heads shouldn't take that(gesus,puresole).
i never really knew "hardcore" kids were into graffiti but graffiti is hip-hop.
It was hip-hop before hip-hop was invented.it's pure hip-hop becuase noone can rate it noone can control it no one can stop it.

orite take it this way
Hip-hop sells out nowadays to the evil world of Rap. 50 cent rides in the escalades while an actually decent rapper is still tryin to get known.
Graffiti can't sell out despite what some threads say.
Nobody owns graffiti

and about the other stuff you said
well like most art graffiti is expression but it's a expression which is actually worth something.Any ***** can get two buckets of Dulux and pour them onto a canvas then spring it for £10,000+ but graff is the only art that is free to see,nobody owns graffiti,graffiti travels,graffiti is the only art form where people take turf and are very competitive.

HELL!!! i wouldn't be surprised if Graffiti turned out to be the only art not destroyed by the media.

anyway that's my little bit.
Word to everyone expressin themselves on this thread
Big up Puresole
Peace
how can it be hip hop before hiphop was invented?

Klaz

12-30-2005, 09:09 AM

because it's what hip-hop is about but it was around before hip-hop.

ACTION NEWS...

12-30-2005, 09:25 AM

PureSole, you are the fucking MAN.

repo302

12-30-2005, 09:37 AM

the martin luther king of graff

whoarethereal evil

12-30-2005, 09:42 AM

i am well into all of this kinda thinking and stuff but i totally agre with snek that it all spiralled out from rap artist.

but pure so;e if u think that we shud love each other etc. y duz it say ur gona get raped in ur picture kinda sending out 2 messges like ur beleive what u beleive but its like u have 2 conform 2 sum sort of antisocial hate shit i jus thort id point that out. but your point of view is fat 2 true i hate the world we live in sucks so much but as someone said before life is too short bt its nt as short as some peoples-every 3 seconds a kid dies from extreme poverty that in my eyes is i dno unbelievable bcoz it cud b sorted.

PureSole

12-30-2005, 11:02 AM

Thanks everyone. Yeah its short and messed up. I just had to vent, you know those days when everything just seems bad? And I know I cant have this disscussion in real life with most people because its nothing people accept, i have a hard time accepting some shit I hear. My avys just old lol

Runci I heard Immortal tech before. Crazy dude.Snek your right, its in hip-hop but we lost that connection. I know we cant get it back soon but Im just saying, atleast on BS everyone, try to be cool.

Klaz was right too, graffiti was invented before hip-hop but it became 'popular' with hip hop and kind of mixed into a subculture like breakdancing, etc. I think it came out of Chicago. I listen mainly to non-commercial too. go to http://www.downhillbattle.org
Some interesting information. Mad artists get hustled for record sales and barely make a dollar of each record...Even if you sold 200,000 units, your not rich. 50 Cent made that much with a few video game units. They are commercializing someone who puts the perfect image for them.

Im not trying to sound like some 45 year old dude :lol: but we just gotta start talking bout it sometimes, loosen up and accept the next person.

Gesus that sucks man. Good luck, had something similar pulled on me 2 years back for them suspecting i had a weapon because some kid had threatened someone in the area. they let me go because it wasnt me. Worst night ever. And hip hop has some good artist but its true what you said. The west coast has some good artists coming up though.

I dont mean to sound like some old guy or smart or anything, it just shit that happens daily sucks . Im not going to lie, I did stupid stuff but Im trying to stop.

one

shalf

12-30-2005, 11:41 AM

pure sole is totally ryt
another thing that i think iz a load of bullshit
im sorry if i affend anybody with this

i was walkin thru town with some friends and i saw on a wall in plain white letters "kill all pakis" (very sorry if i affended you there)
and nobody cares but then theres us doin real art and the government cracks down
now i dunno bout u but that iz complete bullshit if u agree with me tell me

kongo

12-30-2005, 12:18 PM

i hate racisim like that, people are pear presured into it, ive seen little kids hating "pakis" only because their friends do, which their friends only do becuase an older sibling does, these kids dont even have any real perspective on why they hate "pakis"! they might say its due to the terrorist attacks, which are not "pakis", they are a small minority of "pakis". graffiti writers are a small minority of people, so we should unite, not hate! lining a toy doest make the scene a better place, its produces more hate to the scene! kids carrying blades on them, gives non violent writers a bad name!

pure sole, respect!

one love

kongo

12-30-2005, 12:22 PM

i know its not entirly relivent, but its somthing i wanted to get off my chest.

`~SNEK~'

12-30-2005, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Klaz@Dec 30 2005, 09:09 AM
because it's what hip-hop is about but it was around before hip-hop.
GRAFFITI IS NOT HIP HOP.... get it thru your head.... graffiti is an element of hip hop... it is not what hip hop is about...hip hop is a culture... it isnt something you do...

look at this definition and think twice...

culture in which there are 4 elements that compose it. Breakdancing, graffiti, Mcing, and DJing. Culture which has their own dance (breaking), art (graffiti), music, language, and its race is international. Every race can participate in this culture. Hip hop originally didn't start talking about hoes or drugs or gangbanging, it started as a way to show off how good you are at the element you are good for and talk about other subjeccts like love, party, protest against goverment, music to enjoy other elements with, and stuff like that. The real hip hop stays underground and never sells out to be mainstream. Once its mainstream, it should be called just rapping, not hip hop! Hip hop was born underground and should stay underground. Hip hop should also not be asociated with gangs and drugs. Rap is something you do, hip hop is something you live

like i said.... GRAFFITI is the art of hip hop.... before hip hop got into da scence it was just sumfin kids did.. a way to fight against the system... but now its no longer fightin against the system..... its about fighting against eachother... us riters arent united anymore.... its all about fuck this dude for writin over my shit... it used to be that we were all sendin a rebels message.... but theres hardly any writers that follow that tradition.... i till follow dat tradition... i dont get angry wen someone wrote over my shit, i mean, i wrote over someone else in the first place... so i cant be bothered about it...

bitings another thing.... i can accept it for the fact (im sorta takin dis out of steven powers book).... that i got the recognition i wanted.... but the only time it gets me is when they try to be you.... thats where i feel like castratin em....

:angry:

`~SNEK~'

12-30-2005, 12:32 PM

i got this definition of graff from some site a while ago...

An element of the Hip Hop culture misinterpreted and misrepresented by the mainstream media, and most especially hated by affluent (usually white) businessmen who don't understand the roots or meaning of the writing on the walls.

Contrary to popular belief, Graff is NOT any of the following: writing on houses of worship, people's houses in general, other writer's names, or tombstones. The aforementioned need not be identified with bus, train, subway and wall burners. That's REAL graffiti, the visual aspect of Hip Hop accompanied by the physical (breakdance), verbal (emceeing), and rhythmic (turntablism).

Since Graffiti is an element in Hip Hop just as important as DJing, MCing and Breaking, any assault on Graffiti (i.e., calling it "vandalism", "not art", etc.) should be viewed as an assault on Hip Hop altogether.

From the beginning, the powers that be have sought afte the destruction of our culture, from transit authorities chasing after writers, to housing police harassing people at block parties, to lawsuits being filed against DJs for sampling ("copyrighted" material). Now it may seem like everything is okay since Rap has hit the mainstream, but the major corporations threaten its existence every day. Remember the last Rap video you saw on TV. Did you see any tags, any DJs working the wheels of steel, any B-Boys tearing up the floor, any MCs really rocking the party? Or was it just images of scantily clad females, guys flashing their "bling", and "gangstas" shooting their guns off? Chances are it was the latter, the money-making gimmick that corporations such as MTV make money off of today.

These very same corporations, usually headed by conservative individuals who "care" about their buildings, are the organisations which lobby for tighter anti-graffiti laws. So it may seem that "Hip Hop" is all well with mainstream America, but they're actually destroying us from within, in more than one way.

FIGHT THE BUFF

12-30-2005, 01:11 PM

word man, im sick of this gangster fad and Im hoping it passes soon. it's killing real hip hop. whatever happened to that funky shit...

Escape

12-30-2005, 01:23 PM

First props to puresole for making this thread.

So first things first things first, this is beyond graffiti. What we deal with today in society is most certainly not a race issue, this "paki" shit is not a matter of race it's a matter of class. Paki refers to pakistani, it was muslims from saudi arabia that are suspected to have been involved in the terrorist attacks.

So now you have to ask yourself why is it these kids are filled with blind hatred? and on top of that, that hatred is misdirected! Consider this: find me a rich kid that goes to a private school that recieves a top of the line education, see if he is filled with hatred towards "pakis". Hell no, he's well off and educated enough to a ) not give a flying fuck and b ) to know better. Find a kid that lives in the ghetto or in the projects and knows no better because he isn't educated properly nor does he have access to oppurtunities to improve himself. He lashes out at what he thinks may be the issue.

This is fucking unfortunate. While the families in projects scrimp and save and struggle to get by, they do not have time to sit down and philosophize about the right wing, capitalist, bourgie system that's holding them back. Nor is this information made available to them because the media is also owned by this same system, westinghouse electric company OWNS cbs, Generel Electric OWNS Fox, Disney OWNS abc. This tells us that the media does not serve the people as the media is not owned by the people, rather they serve big companies. These companies control or supress what is reported in the media. Why not put in a story the government wants us to if they'll cut our taxes by 5%. How about, putting in excessive stories of violence to keep the people scared and tuned in to the news! Supress all information of significant uprising and strikes by workers unions so other people across the nation don't get the same idea. Supress information that the United States is a willingful harbouror of terrorists such as Posada Carilles.

On the topic of hip-hop and why it's so full of hatred. I don't think any of us should, even for a moment, rag on hip-hop. It's the greatest thing that has happened to myself and countless others. Our anger should not be directed at those main stream emcees, they should be directed at the image that they are forced to portray in order to become successfull.

Have you ever asked yourself why a person dressed in a G-Unit outfit from head to toe that cost $300+ still looks 3rd class? That outfit cost damn well more than a tailored 3 piece suit! But still they look like they belong in the ghetto, not the buisness district. It was said by public enemy that "Hip-hop is the black CNN" this was true in their day, however since then it's grown, grown into a form of communication between projects everywhere. It grew to a point where it became threatening to the government and it had to be handled, here is where the FCC jumps in, a censorship group. Firstly, what the fuck happened to freedom of assembly and freedom of speach, fundamental freedoms held in all developed nations. Secondly what the fuck are they censoring? Have you ever seen a music video about political and social injustice make it to MTV? I know i haven't, this shit is censored, never makes it to air. But for some reason murder, sex, drugs and bitches, that's a-okay for our youth, the FCC lets it slide. They allow this stuff onto the air. Now since it's on MTV (a momumental station for music history) it's the cool thing to do, not to mention those videos make the artist money. Now the emcee is gonna think, well alright if videos about bitches, hoes and guns is gonna make some money, i need money to get the fuck out of this ghetto ass trap i'm in. So they buy into it to help themselves out of their trap. Who are we to condemn them for trying to get out of the projects and achieve a status where they can accomplish something. Now finally when they've achieved something by creating videos, products and music that isn't censored by the FCC, they're bashed by the governemnt and company controlled media for creating 'gangster rap'. Which now tarnishes their image from doing anything productive for the working class, and the underground has already disregarded them and labeled them as sell outs.

It's a fucking trap we're in.

This is alot of stuff to take in, and believe me, there is tons more to be made aware of. But also think about this, who are we reaching out to right now? All of this is 'preaching to the choir'. Telling this to other writers isn't accomplishing much, the Proletariat, the working class, must be made aware of what is happening, and then a means of underground mass communicatoin is needed, in the past this communication was hip-hop, but it has been tainted. A new means is necessary.

Alright thanks for reading this god damned essay. I'm not some old geezer, i'm 17. I'm not fronting like i'm full of wisdom, i simply want to share what i can. Feedback and comments appreciated.

whatsgoinon

12-30-2005, 01:54 PM

this is by far the most interesting with many valid points keep it going guys fight the power

Havoc411

12-30-2005, 02:20 PM

i didnt read everything but all i have to say is this. Graff is a disfunctional family or sorts. we may fight and arge amongst ourselves, but we are all part of something and will stick up for one and other when the time comes. we just dont have one commom "enemy" of sorts to make us come together and have everything be all honkey dory. and i dont think it should be honkey dory, if graff was all shits and giggles and everyone loved each other, it would loose its edge and would get boring and monotonous. it would also become more welcoming and thus lead to it being flooded with wackness and too many people. so if we all band together and start being nice, we will be causing our own impending doom. please guys, dont kill yourselves

Klaz

12-30-2005, 08:01 PM

SNEK shut the fuck up.Your contradictin yourself

If it's the art of hip-hop then it's pretty DAMN FUCKIN hip-hop.
It's like sayin Paul McCartney sings for the beatles but isn't a beatle.
I ain't gonna get into no fuckin arguments bout whether graff is hip-hop or not.
but if hip-hop is a culture and breakin is the dance graff is the art and rap is the music.(which is pretty much what u just sed)
then BREAKIN IS HIP-HOP
RAP IS HIP-HOP(i know that doesn't make sense but bear with me)
GRAFF IS FUCKIN HIP-HOP

to quote a famous BS member
Get off my dick son

Ume

12-30-2005, 08:17 PM

Originally posted by Klaz@Dec 30 2005, 09:44 AM
but graffiti is hip-hop.

Nobody owns graffiti

now you're just contridicting yourself with this, if "nobody" owns graffiti how can it belong to hip hop?

Klaz

12-30-2005, 08:22 PM

^hip-hop isnt a person lol.

I meant like a finacial-type ownership.like no one decides what happens in the world of graff.

ya get me?

Ume

12-30-2005, 08:24 PM

yeah but hip hop can't be a culture without people.

Klaz

12-30-2005, 08:27 PM

that was kinda random but ok.
I'll try one last time
I mean ownership as in a head of it someone who rules what happens creates rules and stuff to graffiti.It's a sorta anarchy in which things happen due to the actions of the majority and not to the actions of one dictator.

lol
you understand now?

Ume

12-30-2005, 08:33 PM

i understood the first time, i said that to this
^hip-hop isnt a person lol.
so techincally hip hop is a "person" as in group of people. you said graffiti doesn't belong to anyone, and that graffiti is hip hop, to be something you must own it, and if HH is a culutre it must have people in it, now if those people are HH and graffiti is HH, then those people must own graffiti.

ol
you understand now?

Klaz

12-30-2005, 08:38 PM

no they dont own graffiti they do graffiti no one owns it (despite what some "king" ppl here say lol).

I get the feelin your just playin dumb now lol.

and where on earth did u get the idea that something that exists has to be owned.
You just makin excuses now lol.

I can't be assed to keep tryin to explain so err just trust me eh?

Volume_one_

12-30-2005, 08:38 PM

once again this thread is getting packed with so real stuff but graffiti isnt just rap
i mean its what i like to listin to when i write but i also like to listin to rock when i write

hell sometimes i like old singers like bobby darren and frank sanatra

I and i cant stand main stream rap anymore not after hearing Jedi or Mf doom and danger mouse but then a gain Nas and Jay-z are real as shit
hell 2-pac and biggy where sick Wu-tang lol the list goes on

but dipset and DTp g-unit goody mob all those lil punks i just cant stand listing to there weak ass flows

hey this is my 100 post WOO hoo lol :D

ILL

12-30-2005, 09:25 PM

word

about the cops,i got arrested last month and it was cuz a cop saw me and my cuzin and followd us, we weren't doin anything when he saw us, its just cuz hes crooked. but we did go to this spot to take a break cuz we were out bombing and i knew some people saw us so if they called the cops, i didn't want to be just sittin in the open, so we were by these abandond buildings that had some graff on them, and as we were sittin there the cop came outta fuckin nowhere, and where i was it was in a corner so i had nowere to run, the only reason the cop was allowed to do anything was cuz i had a can of paint sittin there, i tried to walk away cuz we weren't under arrest or anything but the fuckin pig grabed me and pushed me into the wall and i cant really remember what all happend but we were fucked no matter what it was a holiday and at night so not alot of stores were open or anything so none of the lies i tried to tell him made any scence lol,and the cop found my hard to buff when he searched me and i had an old tag done with it on a sign right there so he kept sayin shit like "i know you did this" and shit like that and they already had my cuzzin in a cop car from when the cop called for back up, and i knew my cuzzin hasn't been doin this for long, he doesn't know what cops are and aren't allowed to do and hes kinda scared of a lot of shit so i knew he would probebly get scared and talk, and i had stickers and a sketch on me so eventually i told the cop about a couple things, cuz there was too much evidence and cuz of my cuzzin . so really that cop did alot of shit i know hes not alowed to.it pisses me off. theres probebly alot i could take him to court for if i had a loyer(sp) anyway in the end we got away with pretty much nothin cuz the cop who did the investigation or whatever wasn't that bad, and he put us through a restotive justice thing insted of court :)
if it ever happens again tho im just not sayin anything
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/TOBTHUGSTA/abunchofbitches.jpg

Klaz

12-30-2005, 09:31 PM

^nice one ILL

Lavaking told me you were cool :D

ILL

12-30-2005, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by Klaz@Dec 30 2005, 10:31 PM
^nice one ILL

Lavaking told me you were cool :D
lol your god dam right im cool

Slaze

12-30-2005, 09:42 PM

HOLY FUCK, im behind you 100%. i love to hear people that are willing to just say it, alot of us know this shit is true but we dont do anything about it. like my friend james said
"why do u go around talking about peace and love we all know its good you dont need to tell us that" but ya know what we all know alot of things are good but we dont do it like when we to little tags they are vandalism people generaly have to pay for it and clean it, thats why i do it for the art or to let people know something.

i could re-rant everything you said but i wont, but as a peace pushin punk im all for it, lets show the world whats heppening to them.

(my inner hippie is cheering :D )

SKAR

12-30-2005, 09:49 PM

it's all part of hip-hop guys chill, just a sec ago we were tlakin bout how graffers sould unite and not fight, and now there all this beef... anyways i do agree that 50 cent type music is really tearin peeps apart. hip hop is a culture, which grafiti is part of, and i think of graffiti as an art, but this great art is looked down on thanks to 50 cent and other wannabee gangsta's and this new marc ecko game. i see why so many people like it but it makes it seem like fighting and gang violence is part of graffiti. so i think if we want less heat on graffiti we gotta unite and show the stupid government that grafiti isn't drugs, killin people, rape.....just wat i think

`~SNEK~'

12-30-2005, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Klaz@Dec 30 2005, 08:01 PM
SNEK shut the fuck up.Your contradictin yourself

If it's the art of hip-hop then it's pretty DAMN FUCKIN hip-hop.
It's like sayin Paul McCartney sings for the beatles but isn't a beatle.
I ain't gonna get into no fuckin arguments bout whether graff is hip-hop or not.
but if hip-hop is a culture and breakin is the dance graff is the art and rap is the music.(which is pretty much what u just sed)
then BREAKIN IS HIP-HOP
RAP IS HIP-HOP(i know that doesn't make sense but bear with me)
GRAFF IS FUCKIN HIP-HOP

to quote a famous BS member
Get off my dick son
yo... you arent understanding... IT IS NOT 99% OF WHAT HIP HOP IS.... IM TRYIN TO SAY THAT IT IS NOT ALONE HIP HOP.... SO GO TAKE SOME SHIT PILLS....

Resk

12-30-2005, 10:19 PM

personally i think hardcore kids are a joke. they are kidding themselves. writing is a part of hiphop...Graf and hardcore shouldnt even be said in the same sentence. im sorry but its true.

~AN~Skunk

12-30-2005, 10:51 PM

Man, I am only vaguely aware of what hardcore is, and from what I understand it developed out of punk, but punks were doing graff at the same time, if you watch style wars and shit, look at the leather jackets the writers are wearing, those some pretty punk stuff, studs the whole bit, so why should graffiti belong to hip hop and hiphop only, just cause that culture made graff hip, doesn't mean you are it's sole owner, in the late seventies there was a connection between punks adn hip hop, we were, and hopefully still are spreading the same message,that we are being fucked by the governement and corporations. so why can't the punks and hip hop guys get along? Like you've got beastie boys (I think) with "You gotta fight for your right to party" thats a pretty punk idea, and sexpistols sing about anarchy in the UK, and even beyond punk, hippies did graff, but with messages not names during the hippy movement "Peace love groovy man" "hendrix 4 pope" gieant peace signs, and in music, simon and garfunkle sing about the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls, so graffiti I think, is the one culture with no connectiopn to a single music genre, graff is a culture of it's own. and should be treated as such.

And I agree that Gangsta rap gives off really negative vibes, and brought down the love graff had in the beggining.

nerdx

12-30-2005, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by Resk@Dec 30 2005, 10:19 PM
personally i think hardcore kids are a joke. they are kidding themselves. writing is a part of hiphop...Graf and hardcore shouldnt even be said in the same sentence. im sorry but its true.
alright, this is how it was for me. I started out doing stencils, i always liked graff and was talking to a friend of mine and he showed me stencil revolution site. so i went that route for bout 2 years, and now here i am. just a toy. but in the 2 years I also started to listen to what most people call hardcore music. A friend of mine introduced me to it. So I was really liking how most of it was all about a positive message. Which is really good and I feel its one reason its not a mainstreet type of music.

But no way you can say that hardcore kids are a joke. In the year or so that I have been going to shows and meeting people that also love this music, i havent met any that say how they are some king and bomb the city. So Im not really sure where you are getting this from with people that listen to hardcore music saying that graff comes from this type of music, that just doesnt make any sense.

maby more will come at another time.

best thread i have seen in my 400 some posts.

Ume

12-30-2005, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by Resk@Dec 30 2005, 11:19 PM
personally i think hardcore kids are a joke. they are kidding themselves. writing is a part of hiphop...Graf and hardcore shouldnt even be said in the same sentence. im sorry but its true.
you are one ignorant fuck.

Resk

12-30-2005, 11:09 PM

k, i garentee yoo cap from style wars aint no fuckin punk kid, and all the other writers i saw were fullblooded hip hop. i hope your joking style wars is just as much as a hip hop movie as a graf movie and if you dont agree explain the mcs breakdance and graf, i didnt see any punks haha you need to get your facts straight buddy. and nerdx you even admit your a toy so anything you say, everyone might as well throw out the window cuz u dont know shit about writing. SOme poeple are so stupid.

Resk

12-30-2005, 11:10 PM

and ume im right not ignorant. YOUR IGNORANT EVERYONES JUST SO IGNORANT.

Resk

12-30-2005, 11:12 PM

someone show me a hardcore king if there is any... and ill show you a hundred hip hop kings...its just a fact hip hop and graf go together its a lifestyle.

Resk

12-30-2005, 11:15 PM

O and i think i should add ive seen both sides of the this i used to be a lil hardcore fuck and as soon as i was introduced to graf i got addicted and hardcore just left my life... I have like 30 cd zao underoath unearth systems failure all this shit now they are just collecting dust so is my guitar. haha

Ume

12-30-2005, 11:15 PM

cap, seen, revolt, zephyr, etc. all metalheads/punks.

Resk

12-30-2005, 11:17 PM

cap and seen are not, Innocent until prooven guilty.

Ume

12-30-2005, 11:20 PM

your fucking joking right? go look at seen's website, metal influenced tat artist, go watch the extras on the style wars special edition and you'll see everything you need to know about it.

tattooseen (http://www.tattooseen.com/)
very hip hop eh?

Resk

12-30-2005, 11:21 PM

well then i guess hes a converted, but wat about cap.

Ume

12-30-2005, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Resk@Dec 31 2005, 12:21 AM
well then i guess hes a converted, but wat about cap.
go watch the extras on the style wars special edition and you'll see everything you need to know about it.

Resk

12-30-2005, 11:30 PM

Umm no

~AN~Skunk

12-31-2005, 12:09 AM

I never said, graff wasn't a part of hip hop. But Hip hop isn't the only culture with graff as an integral part of it, you can't say hiphop owns graff, because there are punk writers "hardcore" (whatever the fuck that is) writers, hip hop writers, anyone can write, just most people come across graff through hip hop, and apperently hardcore.

And on a side note, can any explain why the "hardcore" kids hate the hip hop folks and vice versa

Kingz514

12-31-2005, 01:07 AM

enough about relating hip hop to graff
graffiti is a subculture of hip hop. hip hop is the urban lifestyle. rap, graff, dancin is all part of hip hop. its a culture, it cant be defined by just graff or just rap. its all these things thrown into a blender that makes hip hop.

and too many people these days on bombin science try to prove something by cussin out toys. who cares? they come here lookin for help and think they can become a king overnight, that doesnt give u the right to tell them to kill themselves, etc etc..

those are some real words sole

Escape

12-31-2005, 02:17 AM

People cuss out toys cause toys wanna front like they have wisdom and knowledge. And they feel the need to display this half-assed knowledge by acting tough and ignorantly defending their positions.

Resk. Shut the fuck up. Know your history.

Firstly everyone needs to understand that graffiti is vandalism. Graffiti isn't hip-hop, lmao. However there is a type of graffiti influenced by hip-hop. let's call it . .. Hip-hop graffiti.

Lots of other generatoins, movements and cultures have used graffiti (writing on the wall) with different purposes, revolutionsits, hippies and yes PUNKS! Punks were one of the only other cultures to add style to their writing.

Hip-hop graffiti, is writing your name on the wall with style, the purpose being to get your name up.

(Detour -->all these toys that say "i do it for the art" need to get their priorities straight, you wanna do art, go to a fucking studio and stay the hell out of my allies. Do this to get your name up, do this to destroy, do this to 'fight the power', don't do it cause you think it looks pretty)

The unfortuante thing here is that this thread is already going down the shitter. People arguing over pointless shit, the meaning of the thread has already been lost, just read the first two pages and absorb what you can.

HEAT

12-31-2005, 03:01 AM

puresole's a cool dude,

Originally posted by PURESOLE
" dude, if i could i would suicide bomb your dumbass right now. I'd steal a cessna, smoke some haze and fly the fuckin shit thru your fuckin house tomorrow an shit"

^^he said somethin like that, fuckin cracked me up!!

yeah, he's dope

whatsgoinon

12-31-2005, 10:34 AM

haha resk u need to shut ur mouth and come to montreal waht are u smoking theres no hardcore kids who should write PBW HOMMIE PUNKS BURNING WALLS BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG UPS all over the city and ya graff is only hiphop related u must be mad man anyone can fuckin graff u fag how bout the revolutionist fighting against the government ur gonna tell me they were all hiphop haha grow up man

`~SNEK~'

12-31-2005, 10:39 AM

^^^^ UR RETARDED...

graffiti has punk and rock roots..... i hate kids that say stuff like they know shit when they dont know theyre history...

Klaz

12-31-2005, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by `~SNEK~'@Dec 31 2005, 10:39 AM
^^^^ UR RETARDED...

graffiti has punk and rock roots..... i hate kids that say stuff like they know shit when they dont know theyre history...
yeah that's true even tho graff isn't actually associated with rock alot of white people who painted in NYC liked the type of rock you hear in The Warriors film/game and Punk.

Lady Pink and Iz the Wiz done two whole cars dedicated to Fallen rock gods particularly John Lennon who died the year before it was made.

and RESPECT to UME for tellin Resk where to go.
Seen was a rock guy i'm sure he sometimes liked hip-hop but growin up in a majorly black community how can u not?
check old school pics i mean real old school
all wearin band t-shirts with ROCK and FUNK bands on them so Resk u dont know what ur talkin about.

Respect to UME again

Havoc411

12-31-2005, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Havoc411@Dec 30 2005, 03:20 PM
i didnt read everything but all i have to say is this. Graff is a disfunctional family or sorts. we may fight and arge amongst ourselves, but we are all part of something and will stick up for one and other when the time comes. we just dont have one commom "enemy" of sorts to make us come together and have everything be all honkey dory. and i dont think it should be honkey dory, if graff was all shits and giggles and everyone loved each other, it would loose its edge and would get boring and monotonous. it would also become more welcoming and thus lead to it being flooded with wackness and too many people. so if we all band together and start being nice, we will be causing our own impending doom. please guys, dont kill yourselves
bump

quit all your childish bickering

Klaz

12-31-2005, 06:17 PM

^lol

you should said that before. JA wouldn't of got stabbed by MSK(dw he lived) or that other APE (not 2 another one)who was killed by some rival crew.

now that i've sed that all these guys are gonna start beef about how he wasn't stabbed he was slashed or somethin stupid like dat.

HEAT

12-31-2005, 06:18 PM

you babies make the niggest deal over the dumbest shit.....yall is like one big ass nerd herd. :lol:

Klaz

12-31-2005, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by HEAT@Dec 31 2005, 06:18 PM
you babies make the niggest deal over the dumbest shit.......why?
cos they aint paintin....ever

_SARE

12-31-2005, 08:32 PM

Ok, from what i saw in style wars, it seemed as though all the writers during that time were 'connected' like someone said before. But, the documentary had also brought up a guy who bombed the word "cap" over other peoples pieces. that could have been one of the things that started a rivalry between writers. guess others started to copy cap and it just went from there. i really dont like seeing work over other peoples shit. i always go next to it or if it is filled, i go to another spot....or just wait until it gets buffed. its not good. surprisingly, i dont even go over really really really toyish shiz. i suppose i have that mind set that they are trying (or hopefully trying) to make it somewhat nice. All this rivalry between crews is what has me go solo. but damn, i would be tempted if the biggest crew here asked me to join. I wouldnt mind taggin a world wide crew name (or internet crew i suppose..i dont even know what those are) which is to just unite writers from across the world. obviously, people on this thread are talking about writers uniting and being connected and shit like that....maybe someone could start a crew like that some day. a world wide crew with no beef at all. i dont know. im a dumbass :rolleyes:

PureSole

01-01-2006, 06:35 AM

All im saying is, beef is healthy--it has protein. Okay, lets put it like that. The world is like a fat kid, like one big ass nerd herd.. Once we got to much, were obese and at some point society gotta crumble...you gotta get heart disease. Competitions all good but when your killing your culture, or others do it, you have to stand up.

Face it...most kids here are what--American or candian. Graffiti is worldwide...Canada, America, and the U.K. have the largest hip-hop scenes...or America used to have one :lol: Kids in other nations don't care about music...some just enjoy it...a hobby. Something that gives you pleasure outside of work right? See, I made this post to see if we can kick back and reflect on whats going on.

I didnt want this to be a all graffiti post. I cant tell everyone what to believe, but everything school tells you isn't true. Science isn't always right...look up some stuff. Its time to wake up. I dont know much about hardcore kids either but seriously...whats the beef? Ask yourself...where did this shit come from...

DUN DUN DUN...Music.

Look at the music companies...the 5 commercial.
They have rap, punk, hardcore, whatever you can think of, signed to their label. They expect each one of them...To put on a show. A image you will mimic. Your highschool bickering that will set in a mentality that will stick with you. Im not a deep analyzer. I just think. Why are we being fools? The artists dont care, as long as they are paid $1 of each CD, they eat. Corporations control content. Underground music is half the time mimicing the industry. Some underground exists---and is ignored. But, again whats the issue? Don't blindly follow a image. Leave music at that...let your life shape you. YOUR LIFE IS NOT A $15 DOLLAR DISC. And no, I haven't read this anywhere else, this is just shit I thought of myself...and think about it...is it false? Maybe I made a mistake...I don't know--its how I see it. Sure, I wear urban clothing but I don't hate anyone. We are small compared to the world. Most of the population is in Asia and Africa and south America. Shape up everyone.

it's all part of hip-hop guys chill, just a sec ago we were tlakin bout how graffers sould unite and not fight, and now there all this beef...

word

about the cops,i got arrested last month and it was cuz a cop saw me and my cuzin and followd us, we weren't doin anything when he saw us, its just cuz hes crooked. but we did go to this spot to take a break cuz we were out bombing and i knew some people saw us so if they called the cops, i didn't want to be just sittin in the open, so we were by these abandond buildings that had some graff on them, and as we were sittin there the cop came outta fuckin nowhere, and where i was it was in a corner so i had nowere to run, the only reason the cop was allowed to do anything was cuz i had a can of paint sittin there, i tried to walk away cuz we weren't under arrest or anything but the fuckin pig grabed me and pushed me into the wall and i cant really remember what all happend but we were fucked no matter what it was a holiday and at night so not alot of stores were open or anything so none of the lies i tried to tell him made any scence lol,and the cop found my hard to buff when he searched me and i had an old tag done with it on a sign right there so he kept sayin shit like "i know you did this" and shit like that and they already had my cuzzin in a cop car from when the cop called for back up, and i knew my cuzzin hasn't been doin this for long, he doesn't know what cops are and aren't allowed to do and hes kinda scared of a lot of shit so i knew he would probebly get scared and talk, and i had stickers and a sketch on me so eventually i told the cop about a couple things, cuz there was too much evidence and cuz of my cuzzin . so really that cop did alot of shit i know hes not alowed to.it pisses me off. theres probebly alot i could take him to court for if i had a loyer(sp) anyway in the end we got away with pretty much nothin cuz the cop who did the investigation or whatever wasn't that bad, and he put us through a restotive justice thing insted of court :)
if it ever happens again tho im just not sayin anything
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/TOBTHUGSTA/abunchofbitches.jpg

:lol: That sucks ass. Was it one of those programs where you have to attend some gay group instead of court? Those suck. I had to go to one for 4 months. Waste of time.

HEAT

01-01-2006, 07:41 AM

the hiphop thread on this site liks nuts.

*Gesus jumps in*, "fuck the courts, i been in da bing 2 months for bombing real muthafuckin fr8's...Toy story...bitch!" *... :lol:

ILL

01-01-2006, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by PureSole@Jan 1 2006, 07:35 AM
word

about the cops,i got arrested last month and it was cuz a cop saw me and my cuzin and followd us, we weren't doin anything when he saw us, its just cuz hes crooked. but we did go to this spot to take a break cuz we were out bombing and i knew some people saw us so if they called the cops, i didn't want to be just sittin in the open, so we were by these abandond buildings that had some graff on them, and as we were sittin there the cop came outta fuckin nowhere, and where i was it was in a corner so i had nowere to run, the only reason the cop was allowed to do anything was cuz i had a can of paint sittin there, i tried to walk away cuz we weren't under arrest or anything but the fuckin pig grabed me and pushed me into the wall and i cant really remember what all happend but we were fucked no matter what it was a holiday and at night so not alot of stores were open or anything so none of the lies i tried to tell him made any scence lol,and the cop found my hard to buff when he searched me and i had an old tag done with it on a sign right there so he kept sayin shit like "i know you did this" and shit like that and they already had my cuzzin in a cop car from when the cop called for back up, and i knew my cuzzin hasn't been doin this for long, he doesn't know what cops are and aren't allowed to do and hes kinda scared of a lot of shit so i knew he would probebly get scared and talk, and i had stickers and a sketch on me so eventually i told the cop about a couple things, cuz there was too much evidence and cuz of my cuzzin . so really that cop did alot of shit i know hes not alowed to.it pisses me off. theres probebly alot i could take him to court for if i had a loyer(sp) anyway in the end we got away with pretty much nothin cuz the cop who did the investigation or whatever wasn't that bad, and he put us through a restotive justice thing insted of court :)
if it ever happens again tho im just not sayin anything
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b310/TOBTHUGSTA/abunchofbitches.jpg

:lol: That sucks ass. Was it one of those programs where you have to attend some gay group instead of court? Those suck. I had to go to one for 4 months. Waste of time.
yeah, the cop got the person who does the meetin things to call some of the property owners to see if they wanted to come to the meetin only like 3 of them came tho lol. what they did was we all sat at this table and they went around it and asked me and my cuzzin why we did it and all that shit and then they got the property owners to say what they wanted to say and then they asked them what they thought should be done. the guy who was there to represent the town workers sed he thought we should have to help clean up some graffiti wether it was ours or not, but then my aunt sed about this gang here that does a lot of graff on peoples houses and cars and shit and they rob and beat people up and do all that, so a lot of people here hate them and some people have sed before if they ever knew who they were or saw them doin somethin they'd go and beat the shit outta them lol so my aunt thought mabey people might think were part of that gang, i guess cuz if they see us cleanin the T.O.B(gang im talkin about) graff then they could think were part of the gang and we got caught or somethin so they might try to do somethin to us or if the people in the gang saw us they might do somethin. so we didn't have to do anything except clean some of our tags that were on federal mail boxes, read an apoligy letter to the property owners and one of the people sed they thought so we wouldn't really get away with nothin that we should donate 100$ to a charity or somethin, so i donated mine to a animal shelter thing so its all done now. and when i got home from the meetin i used the appoligy letter to practice my new tag on hahahhaahahahahhahahahahha

its not that bad compared to what some people get for crimes that i think wouldn't be as bad as this, i know a girl who's like 15 and got 100 hours of community service for public intoxication.

this only took 1mounth and 5 days until it was all over, i had to go to 3 meetins all together, only one of them was the one with the property owners......

ACTION NEWS...

01-01-2006, 04:23 PM

European graff has roots in punk.

US graff is mostly related to the hip hop scene, but was not birthed from hip hop.

GeSuS_KRiST

01-02-2006, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by `~SNEK~'@Dec 31 2005, 10:39 AM
^^^^ UR RETARDED...

graffiti has punk and rock roots..... i hate kids that say stuff like they know shit when they dont know theyre history...
hiphop is make from rock breaks hiphop was created from all diffrent types of music there was no orginal hiphop it started with turntablism for the beats jackin lil drum breaks and fills, gutar rifs, all kinds of shit then people start emceeing gettin the crowd hype then they took it another step further and started writing down flows and spiting them to the beats and then it moved on and so forth...

so many of kids in here dont know WHAT THE FUCK your talkin about

such as resk alot of you people need to do your research on graffiti, graffiti artist, and also the hip hop way of life

as fr my history i KNOW my history, im VERY involved in the hiphop scene

just because some writers listen to rock and punk dont mean its rock and punk roots... shit started with hiphop majorty of hip hop shows that come threw you'll meet a good deal of writers there unlikes rock shows and punk shows (which i been to hundreds of both)

i mean look at things like scribble jam, Under pressure, Styles in Progress, ALL hiphop acts... some mother fuckers that write listen to country... but your not saying it has country roots now are ya?

Mute1

01-02-2006, 04:35 AM

Originally posted by frakture@Dec 30 2005, 04:53 AM
Yes all this is true. But..... How old are you? Your talking like your a 45 year old professor of social structure or some bollocks. Your looking to far into this. Theres nothing you as an individual can do. Many people can change things but you fighting a losing battle. Just chill and think, 'lifes too short'. Because it is.
Pfft...oh sorry, does he sound too intelligent for you? "Don't look too far into it"? This is our culture and society hes talkin about, and you are exactly what hes pissed off abotu, all these little shits walkin around not questioning anything and just accepting society as is. THATS wats bullshit...kids like you who think shit needs to be dumbed down to be cool...that kind of thinking got old in 4th grade buddy...

"word man, im sick of this gangster fad and Im hoping it passes soon. it's killing real hip hop. whatever happened to that funky shit... "
So fuckin tru...its such a bullshit fad run amok through todays youth. Every fuckin kid is rockin puff jackets and kappa pants and tryin to parade around with bear mace and talk like fifty cent. Its pathetic. You can see where the fad comes from tho, a bunch of insecure kids will always find a way to feel more powerful. And the sad part is people think gangsters=hiphop when that never really was how it was supposed to be...sure there was always the drugs,sex, and illegal activity, but not this bullshit beef obsessed hollow trend we have today.

ACTION NEWS...

01-02-2006, 11:08 AM

Graff was around before hip hop, so how does it have hip hop roots?

Escape

01-02-2006, 12:47 PM

All elements of hip-hop have been around before we called it hip-hop that's how anything is born. Think about yourself, there's sperm and an egg before you're born that end up creating you.

Graffiti, deejaying, emceeing and b-boying came together to create hip-hop.

Again i think it's important to note, all context of graffiti here is a reference to hip-hop graffiti.

ACTION NEWS, it seems to me you're taking things out of context. If you wanna get into the roots of graffiti . . . go back to rome and graffito. Graffiti is a word that originated in rome, that's the true roots. However, graffiti as we know it today evolved with hip-hop. At that point it was adopted by others as a way to be heard, specifically punks.

If you want proof that graffiti is and has always been an intergral part part of the hip-hop culture here it is.

Rock Steady Crew Interview with Ken Swift (http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1IUUZZPTQRL1J36EB9GRR130RI)

The important section is into the first 2 minutes, afterwards the conversation applying to selling-out can be directly applied to graff too.

skrim

01-02-2006, 05:34 PM

i dont know if anyones said this, because i havent been on BS for the last week or two, but hip hop and rap are totally different things, i think its the rap thats talking about killing people and shit .. hip hop isnt just a type of music, hip hop is a culture .. hip hop is graffiti, breakdancing, its like a hidden society.. theres so many elements to hip hop that is MORE then just a beat and words ..

GeSuS_KRiST

01-02-2006, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by ACTION NEWS...@Jan 2 2006, 11:08 AM
Graff was around before hip hop, so how does it have hip hop roots?
graffiti wasnt around before graffiti hiphop started late 69 early 70 with people like Afrika Bambaataa spinning partys , Last Poets in the stuido's , ect

then in about 71 72 VIK a mail caryer from NY made it his goal to ride all the subways and bus to deliver his packages, he started writing his name (VIC) an his courier ID number (156) on all the subways and bus's

then taki blew it up laterr in the earlyer 70's learn your shit!

you kids dont know ANYTHING

Havoc411

01-02-2006, 06:20 PM

all i hear in this thread is this

http://static.flickr.com/4/4692525_1ff57763b7_m.jpg

PureSole

01-02-2006, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by GeSuS_KRiST+Jan 2 2006, 06:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GeSuS_KRiST @ Jan 2 2006, 06:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ACTION NEWS...@Jan 2 2006, 11:08 AM
Graff was around before hip hop, so how does it have hip hop roots?
graffiti wasnt around before graffiti hiphop started late 69 early 70 with people like Afrika Bambaataa spinning partys , Last Poets in the stuido's , ect

then in about 71 72 VIK a mail caryer from NY made it his goal to ride all the subways and bus to deliver his packages, he started writing his name (VIC) an his courier ID number (156) on all the subways and bus's

then taki blew it up laterr in the earlyer 70's learn your shit!

you kids dont know ANYTHING [/b][/quote]
Didnt know about vic. Read about him, I though that was his street number... :lol:

GeSuS_KRiST

01-02-2006, 07:25 PM

http://www.b-boys.com/hiphoptimeline.html

ACTION NEWS...

01-02-2006, 09:14 PM

Bullshit. Cats was writing in philly in the 1968 and earlier, and they're were new york heads writing as far back as 66! Get off the drugs, gesus.

ACTION NEWS...

01-02-2006, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by Escape@Jan 2 2006, 12:47 PM
All elements of hip-hop have been around before we called it hip-hop that's how anything is born. Think about yourself, there's sperm and an egg before you're born that end up creating you.

Graffiti, deejaying, emceeing and b-boying came together to create hip-hop.

Again i think it's important to note, all context of graffiti here is a reference to hip-hop graffiti.

ACTION NEWS, it seems to me you're taking things out of context. If you wanna get into the roots of graffiti . . . go back to rome and graffito. Graffiti is a word that originated in rome, that's the true roots. However, graffiti as we know it today evolved with hip-hop. At that point it was adopted by others as a way to be heard, specifically punks.

If you want proof that graffiti is and has always been an intergral part part of the hip-hop culture here it is.

Rock Steady Crew Interview with Ken Swift (http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1IUUZZPTQRL1J36EB9GRR130RI)

The important section is into the first 2 minutes, afterwards the conversation applying to selling-out can be directly applied to graff too.
I get what you mean, but you're saying it differently that most kids. Graff became a part of hip hop, but was not BORN by it. (Modern graff)

Escape

01-03-2006, 04:53 PM

Hmm, the history of writing, this is becoming a really interesting thread even though it's strayed soo far from it's original point.

Maybe we should amke a new thread dedicated to it? i'm sure there would be alot of opinions, only problem will be that everyone has a different version of history casue we're taught by different people who had different beefs and different crews.

The poeple that have taught me were b-boys, but i guess no one would know the name dyzee. He's Canada's top b-boy, anyways i sat down with him a few times and he taught me history and told me that Zulu Nation says the birth of hip-hop was November 12th 1974.

And the person to make the name hip-hop was Bambatta, and his MC Starski.

As for writing. I was told the very very very first possible interpretation of what graffiti is today came from LA in the 1930's as gang markings, also hobo's in new york putting their signatures on freights. then in the 1960's a more form of graffiti with an individual purpose came up in philly liek everyone knows, with Cornbread and Cool Earl.

If you disagree with anything here post up. And also should we start a new thread?