Otr Markers

[seze1]

Can someone post a pic of how a Flowpen marks on things.....like maybe an electric box?

[InsaneSanity]

Hey where can i get that otr video of a flowpen.. i wanna see how much is true or not.. because company's shouldn't trick toys.

[C-money fresh!]

i cant believe the streetduster is 100% not permantant its liquid chalk says it on the marker

[MaVe911]

damm thats hit i was just about to buy one of them , are there any other OTRs with circle tips? or neother brands,doesnt neceserryly have to be OTR

[MaVe911]

damm thats hit i was just about to buy one of them , are there any other OTRs with circle tips? or neother brands,doesnt neceserryly have to be OTR

EDIT: sorry i clicked the button twice

[mask_301]

is this new .065 moppin marker good

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s270/myshit5432/mark-otr65-1.jpg

[ShIfTeD]

no, its water based...if you get enough rain on it it will wash off

[C-money fresh!]

i got the moppin marker to its a flowpen with sexy green paint. the name missleads you though i can tell you there is no "moppin" in the marker its a flowpen body.

[mask_301]

Originally posted by ShIfTeD@Feb 15 2007, 06:55 PM
no, its water based...if you get enough rain on it it will wash off
what if you mix it with like brake fluid

[ShIfTeD]

thats pointless...brake fluid mixes with the alcohal because oil is reactive with alcohal

have you ever seen water and oil?

have you ever seen when a car sits in a parking lot when it rains and the oil drips down?


oil refuses to mix with water...no, its pointless

the new otr's basicaly suck

[topclot]

Originally posted by seze1@Feb 14 2007, 05:51 PM
Can someone post a pic of how a Flowpen marks on things.....like maybe an electric box?
The OTR flow pens are garbage dont touch them with a 10 foot pole

[C-money fresh!]

FUCK ALL OF YOU

otr. has some bangin markers what comes in them is bull shit though.

flowpen-my fav marker but the inksucks
htb -^^^same thing
paintpumps-^^^^same marker as well just dont work good cuz of the paint
moppin-sick marker the paint sucks though
streetduster- also a sick marker but they put liquid chalk in it.

[crushing]

yo i live in the frigid cold of northern canada when i mved here i had a montana hardcore xl. i just found that bitch and itss fgucking solid shut. and like im a big boy fuck and she s closed solid. ne ideas here fellas

[seze1]

Dammit I just want a wet marker.....one that isn't streaky. I'm just gonna grab some Pilots.

[Sintakz]

It would be nice if OTR would have a like " Design Your Own Marker " type contest. Especially awesome if they used some of the better idea's from the ink recipe thread for ink.

[KLYPSE6193]

I order a Gold high perm paint OTR.060 anyone know if there any good?

[-kraze-]

OTR hard to buff is better, no drips. But flowpen is fun becuase you can add creativity to it. i say get both. by the way, this topic is hella hella old yo

[Kayone707]

Originally posted by KLYPSE6193@Mar 11 2007, 05:00 PM
I order a Gold high perm paint OTR.060 anyone know if there any good?
never tried an otr till about 2 months ago. nice lil shits
but i got an .160 gold otr yesterday.. its nice.

[pedlowskater5]

I have 2 flowpens and a .060 the flowpens are fuckin killer theyre so smooth and the .060 is sick too but the ink runs out too fast on flowpens

[The Ant]

hard to buff is easy to buff..

[Grigory Rasputin]

Originally posted by -kraze-@Mar 11 2007, 11:50 PM
OTR hard to buff is better, no drips. But flowpen is fun becuase you can add creativity to it. i say get both. by the way, this topic is hella hella old yo





buy both and your a sucker








DONT LET THE MARKETING GET YOU!!!!!!!!!!

[i write]

nope, flopens and H2b's are different, the flopen has a different kind of felt in the nib lol, but if you can call that a difference.

[KLYPSE6193]

anyone know how to unscrew (which way)a OTR 2 refill

[Darkeist]

Originally posted by KLYPSE6193@Mar 15 2007, 08:52 PM
anyone know how to unscrew (which way)a OTR 2 refill
come on kid, common sense, righty tighty, lefty lucy

[cosmic24]

Yo i used the qtr 160 on the run...and i dont know what kind of paint to fill it up with cuz i tried to fill it up with the cheap stuff and it started dripping like crazzzzzzzyyyyy..if someone would suggest something thanks

[Darkeist]

Originally posted by cosmic24@Mar 15 2007, 09:30 PM
Yo i used the qtr 160 on the run...and i dont know what kind of paint to fill it up with cuz i tried to fill it up with the cheap stuff and it started dripping like crazzzzzzzyyyyy..if someone would suggest something thanks
krink or something

[MacDreRIP11104]

Originally posted by The Ant@Mar 13 2007, 12:55 AM
hard to buff is easy to buff..
agreeed

[acidconceptone]

what would people recommend for putting in an empty hard to buff/flow pen aside from the "easily buffed hard to buff" ink?

[InsaneSanity]

feibings leather dye...

use up the hard ink first... its very nice and black.. who cares if it can be removed fairly easily.

[acidconceptone]

amen because hard to buff > pilots > sharpie magnum.

i got an empty moltow marker and it looks even better than an OTR. im still in love with my mini hard to buff <3<3<3

[zoku]

I ordered a flowpen and a hard2buff... *shrug* Just figured I&#39;d see how they are. :unsure:

[dri]

Originally posted by InsaneSanity@Mar 20 2007, 12:10 PM
feibings leather dye...

use up the hard ink first... its very nice and black.. who cares if it can be removed fairly easily.
where do u get leather dye, ive been looking everywhere for it

[InsaneSanity]

shoe repair shops... cobblers... key cutter sometimes do shoes too...

maybe fabric shops that do leather.

oh yeah something which in my opinion is JUST as good is wood STAIN (not dye, wood dye sucks fish dick.)

yeah.. wood stain.

[Walters]

well i just orderd and otr 0.60 and i minimolotow and i orderd a markall xxl-for my friend and im so stocked abought getting them :D

lmao righty tighty lefty lucy i remember that :)

[i write]

there just markers, but still its a nice feeling when you get large amounts of graffiti implements with little cash money expenditure, ie racking or cheap shit. the otr.60 is a dope marker mang, but if you pump it too much it squirts onto my brand new shoes which sucks ass, so dont pump it too much.

[acidconceptone]

im gonna pump mine really really hard so it squirts ALL OVER your new shoes man. tee hee i have a red one i dunno why i bought it i guess i thought paintmarkers were dope. i had a metallic blue one and that was the best one ive ever seen. thoise shits dont hold up against a buff.

has anyone come across the phenomenon of independant buffers? i bombed some mailbox in the day and after being chased down by the faggot kids whos house i was infront of&#39;s dad and he yelled at me, he went home and buffed it. with chemicals and everything&#33; damn these buff enthusiests. (on that note i have buffed graffiti several times, its funny rolling over peoples shit and thinking &#39;i can still get booked for this&#33;&#39; its quite jokes)

[D Snif]

Flowpens are fucking amazing, and Hrad to Buff are just plain sexy.

[iwritebasic]

i heard blue OTR flowpens stain the hardest and are the most opaque, this true?

[zoku]

I can&#39;t wait to get mine in the mail.... w00t&#33;&#33; :D

[bubsone]

does the silver grog fuck with the pump in your flowpen? cuz in mine it made the pump all sticky and weird.

[i write]

yer silver grog dus tht, u noe the sediment tht forms if u dun shake it for a few? tht shit flows fine when ur usin it but all the sediment clogs it when the nib isnt wet nd it dries out a bit, it works ok in a mop

[textathief]

n e 1 finding it hard to unscrew their otr?

[KASZ]

Are the OTR .60 Paintmarkers decent?
Friends going to by Silver and Gold for me so I was just going to ask if they were good at all.

[syrup2]

there terrible and should all die

[zoku]

w00t&#33;&#33;&#33; Got my OTR&#39;s in the mail today.... :wub: they&#39;re so damn sexy. Hahaha.

[G-Fat]

the only good thing about otr&#39;s are the shells they come in.

[KASZ]

The OTR .6 Paint Marker seems decent how is the Hard Permenant Ink one?

[syrup2]

BLASHPMEY
the otr paint markers are terrible
although the permint ink ones are okay

[RIFR-RTSK LA]

i fucking hate my otr .60 the paint is all watery even though it says perminent and the paint takes for ever to dry.

[Brian Peppers]

What should i get? Pump or flow? I&#39;m just gunna get like metal doors and shit.

[G-Fat]

get a pilot...its classic and fool-proof... one the best markers i&#39;ve ever used. no shittin

[CaMa]

I got the OTR.170 Hard to Buff. Flows real well. Good marker.

[G-Fat]

you say that now, but it like rubs off to a ghost sometimes.

[BAPKEB]

some one tag something with one of the .170 im going to buy one and i want to make sure its better than my homemade mop

[CaMa]

Well Id say your mop has a huge nib compared to the .170....

But I only got mine today so I&#39;ll let you know what the buff results are.

[G-Fat]

there a waste,your paying for the little container if anything, and for like 4 more dollars you get the full size one. i&#39;m not fan of otr.

[BIGel]

^ye im not either and ive used them all. the blacks are great, but the lighter colors (esp yellows, whites, and silver/golds) are shit and dont cover at all.

[RIFR-RTSK LA]

any body no how to make aotr .60 better before i pore out the paiunt and put better ink in

[CaMa]

Ive got the black. It is good.

[AnteUp]

ok so where would i get me sum pilots?

[mikev734]

Originally posted by AnteUp@Mar 30 2007, 10:16 PM
ok so where would i get me sum pilots?
you say this like your NOT on the biggest graffiti STORE on the internet...

[Rogue]

Originally posted by mikev734+Mar 30 2007, 11:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mikev734 @ Mar 30 2007, 11:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-AnteUp@Mar 30 2007, 10:16 PM
ok so where would i get me sum pilots?
you say this like your NOT on the biggest graffiti STORE on the internet... [/b][/quote]
bs isn&#39;t really the biggest, just go to pilot.com, it&#39;s cheaper

[AnteUp]

well im like 14 and my parents dont kno i write...bad idea...

[Hyphy]

which is better, the otr 0.070 h2b or the pilot jumbo?

[acidconceptone]

otr is a pump system

get a pilot jumbo and when its done refill it with something like DO EM DIRTY inside job&#33;

[acidconceptone]

anyone want to post up some ideas on getting the MINI OTR&#39;s open for filling. appearently the way i got it done last time was like vice grips and a vice. i wouldnt recommend that tho. also how long could i leave it without using it before it got all fucked up.

[CaMa]

Yo guys, got busted for graff using my OTR minis (red and black) and I was told to scrub them off. They both left no ghost AT ALL. I only used Jiff and water and there was no ghost. I done it on windows, metal signs, walls, cubicles and the only thing with the slightest un-redable ghost was the wall. I strongly recommend filling these markers with grog ink or adding a staining agent as the ink is overated.

["Joker"]

Originally posted by KaRkUs@Jun 21 2004, 04:50 AM
hey,

this is a pretty toy topic but i was just wondering if theres any actual difference, in the pen itself not the ink which is held within, between the otr 0.70 / hard to buff and the 0.84 / flowpens.

pretty simple question really, would sort of like to know :P

peace out
i have really relized that bolth markers are preetty well the same. with the
exsperence ive had with the markers. the flowpen is slitly more drippy
than the hard to buff

[yung-wun]

i have an empty mini flow. should i put really thin ghetto krink. i dont know what kind of ink to put in.

[RIFR-RTSK LA]

i put bombing ink in my otr .60 better then otr inks. make shure you wash it out cause paint and ink mixed will harden and wont come out of the marker. also if it is a paint marker dont wash it with water itwill harden.

[CaMa]

Originally posted by yung&#045;wun@Apr 1 2007, 09:39 PM
i have an empty mini flow. should i put really thin ghetto krink. i dont know what kind of ink to put in.
Grog maybe?

[Tagger101]

QUOTE (AnteUp @ Mar 30 2007, 10:16 PM)
ok so where would i get me sum pilots?


you say this like your NOT on the biggest graffiti STORE on the internet...


haha most people dont realize that i think

[yung-wun]

ok thanx, ill try krink in mini flow pen

[MoLD]

what can i use to make homemade ink for a flowpen
would paint with thinner work in it?

[ilikechowfun]

just got the 170 not a bad marker

[React!]

Does anyone have the ON THE RUN.093 Tagstar I wanna get it buh i wanna kno if anyone got it b4 and wa ya think bout it.. Is it drippy? & is it really waterproof and fadeproof?

[Rogue]

Originally posted by React&#33;@Apr 2 2007, 05:02 PM
Does anyone have the ON THE RUN.093 Tagstar I wanna get it buh i wanna kno if anyone got it b4 and wa ya think bout it.. Is it drippy? & is it really waterproof and fadeproof?
Tagstars suck. They come out streaky, and look dry when you use it. Don&#39;t buy one.

[ilikechowfun]

does anyone know how to refill in in a hard to buff?

[Grigory Rasputin]

Originally posted by React&#33;@Apr 2 2007, 05:02 PM
Does anyone have the ON THE RUN.093 Tagstar I wanna get it buh i wanna kno if anyone got it b4 and wa ya think bout it.. Is it drippy? & is it really waterproof and fadeproof?


its ok...

its a good marker if you have the control of a wide nib.

same basic design as a jumbo pilot

the ink in it is shit but you can juice it exactly like a pilot

not drippy but hot for a good style hand


if your hand aint that hot or you dont have skills with a wide marker

id say avoid it

[CHUB]

i had a OTR street duster, those things were pretty tight, but were easy to get off. the markswell shits are good

[React!]

Originally posted by Rogue+Apr 2 2007, 11:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rogue @ Apr 2 2007, 11:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-React&#33;@Apr 2 2007, 05:02 PM
Does anyone have the ON THE RUN.093 Tagstar I wanna get it buh i wanna kno if anyone got it b4 and wa ya think bout it.. Is it drippy? & is it really waterproof and fadeproof?
Tagstars suck. They come out streaky, and look dry when you use it. Don&#39;t buy one. [/b][/quote]
iight so wa should i get?

[Hask420]

i got a flowpen...the ink is nice but i added shit to it so it drips better
and i heard other OTR ink blows but im not sure

[OutbuRst]

Just got an OTR 0.6 in green and im not too impressed. The color is really poor and streaky and looks all faded

[MoLD]

hask whatd you add to it to make it drip more?

[Hask420]

i added OTR hard 2 buff(which you dont really need) and dot 3 brake fluid, the more fluid the harder the stain and the drippyer but if u put too much it will never dry so dont put alot

[nuf1]

how do i refill mini hard to buff i remeber i did it like a year ago but i forgot. fun

[N:Craze]

also the more brakefluid the longer it takes to dry...... if it dries.

[sectra]

Originally posted by Resk One@Jun 21 2004, 06:04 AM
Well i think the flowpen is for drips but i dont know if its just the ink or the marker itself, never used one.
flowpen controls the ammount of ink used by depressing the nib and allowing for max ink flow...

the other is a simple pen that releases a factory contolled release of ink (i beleive) meaning, you can&#39;t pump it like the flowpen to acheive a drippy effect

i prefer the molotows personally, but thats just me

[RustyBurrito]

I would avoid the tagstar...it would be amazing if it had a pump but it doesnt so it doens&#39;t flow too well unless you poke the nib a LOT. Even then, when you&#39;re halfway through your tag it will start getting streaky on you unless you push down like crazy. If you want something wide get the wide montanas because they have a pump system.

[settybomb]

how about that moppin jawn?
neon violet sounds saucy, and it may look nice on black shit right?

[braxtons a g]

just a quick question. are flowpens any good? and what ink is best to use with them?

[settybomb]

someone answer my moppin question.

god damnit.

[bobo9827]

i use flowpens.. and fill that shit with anything you want. maybe some do em dirty

[uknome]

ayo setty just get some yellow bucket paint, mineral spirits, and a mop if you want to mob on black surfaces thats where its at...dont waste your money on some neon violet ink...when you could just keep it original and free

one

[settybomb]

Hey thanks for the advice, and yeah ive been making drip markers for a year now.
But im always down for new shapes of lines and nibs and shit, and i dont mind spending money on something if i can get some nice tags done with it you know?

[draft]

i put some DED outdoorsman ink in my flowpen, its comming out really poor, although i had a huge crack in the markers cap and i think the nib dried up for the week it was outta ink

[ZOT]

I was thinking about a Light Blue moppin Marker or a Violet..

Wich one should I pick?

[JSBiggz]

Im thinking about taking my OTR Mini Paint Marker, clean all out, putting a new nib in and put some H2B ink in you guys think i should, and I already have a regular H2B marker. I was also wondering if you can mod the pump system of the mini marker so it drip more

[Wilt]

dont put H2B in it just buy or rack some good ink (grog, Doemdirty, nero etc.) and if you want it to drip more just take the pump thing out. I personally dont like drippy marker tags. Mops loke alot better drippy.

[JSBiggz]

Originally posted by Wilt@Apr 27 2007, 11:45 AM
dont put H2B in it just buy or rack some good ink (grog, Doemdirty, nero etc.) and if you want it to drip more just take the pump thing out. I personally dont like drippy marker tags. Mops loke alot better drippy.
Ok thanks bud

[ShadowDwellerOner]

OTR&#39;s paint is it a water based acrylic or a thinned out oil based paint? I would find it worth it to invest in they&#39;re bottles of paint if they&#39;re are oil based and just use it in mops but have some bangin colors.

[i write]

Originally posted by JSBiggz@Apr 27 2007, 11:35 AM
Im thinking about taking my OTR Mini Paint Marker, clean all out, putting a new nib in and put some H2B ink in you guys think i should, and I already have a regular H2B marker. I was also wondering if you can mod the pump system of the mini marker so it drip more
who the fuck cares? experiment toy, if you need a whole forum full of people to aprrove putting ink in a marker, then you shouldnt ever touch a marker ever. cunts like you give graff a bad name.

[svker]

Originally posted by i write+May 2 2007, 08:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (i write @ May 2 2007, 08:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-JSBiggz@Apr 27 2007, 11:35 AM
Im thinking about taking my OTR Mini Paint Marker, clean all out, putting a new nib in and put some H2B ink in you guys think i should, and I already have a regular H2B marker. I was also wondering if you can mod the pump system of the mini marker so it drip more
who the fuck cares? experiment toy, if you need a whole forum full of people to aprrove putting ink in a marker, then you shouldnt ever touch a marker ever. cunts like you give graff a bad name. [/b][/quote]
Damn took the words right out of my mouth :lol:

[i write]

Originally posted by ilikechowfun@Apr 3 2007, 02:00 AM
does anyone know how to refill in in a hard to buff?
lol i went through that, but unlike you im smart so what you do is unscrew the lid and use pliers or somethin, i do cos i hate inky hands, and pull out the valve system, make sure you dont fill it up past the line bcos the vlave displaces the ink and it can overflow.

[i write]

Originally posted by svker@May 2 2007, 08:18 AM

Damn took the words right out of my mouth :lol:
thanks my man, its incomprehensible that people can be so incredibly stupid, same with the ink thread i cant stand it, this isnt even graff anymore its a whole bunch of faggots who got hold of their first marker and they think theyre burners.

anyway you&#39;ll all notice i whored the fuck out of this thread so im going to another one to abuse some toys.

[ShadowDwellerOner]

So is the OTR paint refills oil based or water based paint?

[Kao.Ali]

Originally posted by ZOT@Apr 25 2007, 03:02 PM
I was thinking about a Light Blue moppin Marker or a Violet..

Wich one should I pick?
neither

[Degausserr x]

i just ordered 4 OTRs on Bscience... hope theyre here soon and rock

[ZOT]

should I buy a circle tip marker? or a htb?

How is the ink of the circle tip marker, cuz the circle tip really seems cool to me

[ZOT]

Originally posted by Kao.Ali+May 3 2007, 08:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kao.Ali @ May 3 2007, 08:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ZOT@Apr 25 2007, 03:02 PM
I was thinking about a Light Blue moppin Marker or a Violet..

Wich one should I pick?
neither [/b][/quote]
Then why not.. Tell me then

[ShadowDwellerOner]

Honestly I use to be a fan of the otr markers untill I realised its a bullshit gimmick atleast to me. The main problem I had is I would wear the nib down quick and it wouldnt be long enough to completely depress the flow control so it wouldnt have any ink near the end of my handstyle and it would fade out. Its a decent Idea but pilots work more than OK for me are mad cheap and durable and for Paint squeezer markers

[MFGrimm]

my first store bought marker was a blu otr. decent marker but kind of dry, flowpens are a lot nicer to use, but way messier.

[Rigon]

Originally posted by ZOT+May 8 2007, 12:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ZOT @ May 8 2007, 12:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Kao.Ali@May 3 2007, 08:56 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-ZOT@Apr 25 2007, 03:02 PM
I was thinking about a Light Blue moppin Marker or a Violet..

Wich one should I pick?
neither
Then why not.. Tell me then [/b][/quote]
thinks he is just trying to fuck with you man but just pick a color that you know people can see on anything you write on link neon colors (green, orange, and other shit like that)

[BOOGER KING]

Scratchies lad.

[Degausserr x]

i hear the 050s suck but the flows pens are dank

any thoughts on this?

[spc]

the 050&#39;s are almost like a pilot but with shitty ink and flow pens are the shit i got mine filled with some leather dye and grog shit kills

[Degausserr x]

i got an 050, flowpen, 160, and 060 comin soon

hope they work good


and is grog good for refills?

[spc]

yah i got a bottle of it a while back its some pretty good shit

[Skesh]

Are these markers all good?
which is your favorite?

flowpen - pump system (drips)
hard to buff - &#39;normal&#39; fat marker
scrawlpen - streak marker

[spc]

flow pens are the shit Scrawl Pens are big streakers and idk about the htb but they are probably just like any other pump marker man hope this shit has helped

[d_g]

The hard to buff is a nice marker. The ink is shit but worth using up before you refill it. Dunno about the scrawl pen. Flowpens go through way too much ink but it&#39;s the same marker as the HTB just different ink.

[Rogue]

I just got myself a free otr. The paint sucks, but it was free.

[HoodRichSucka]

Originally posted by Skesh@May 11 2007, 03:35 PM
Are these markers all good?
which is your favorite?

flowpen - pump system (drips)
hard to buff - &#39;normal&#39; fat marker
scrawlpen - streak marker
i love the otr htb mini. so sickk to me, SO SICK

but everyone will tell u the htb ink sucks, it doesnt really

[Rogue]

Originally posted by HoodRichSucka+May 11 2007, 07:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HoodRichSucka @ May 11 2007, 07:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Skesh@May 11 2007, 03:35 PM
Are these markers all good?
which is your favorite?

flowpen - pump system (drips)
hard to buff - &#39;normal&#39; fat marker
scrawlpen - streak marker
i love the otr htb mini. so sickk to me, SO SICK

but everyone will tell u the htb ink sucks, it doesnt really [/b][/quote]
Htb ink looks great and writes pretty well, but it leaves no stain, which is why it sucks. Why waste &#036;15 for no stain when you could buy a hard staining ink for &#036;10-&#036;16? Htb would e awsome if it was actually hard to buff.....

[toke_wdc]

I need some help on getting down the flowpen. I cant seem to make it drip. Is there a certain way to make the pen drip?

[Rogue]

Originally posted by toke_wdc@May 13 2007, 05:55 PM
I need some help on getting down the flowpen. I cant seem to make it drip. Is there a certain way to make the pen drip?
pump it

[toke_wdc]

Originally posted by Rogue+May 13 2007, 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rogue @ May 13 2007, 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-toke_wdc@May 13 2007, 05:55 PM
I need some help on getting down the flowpen. I cant seem to make it drip. Is there a certain way to make the pen drip?
pump it [/b][/quote]
I do that the the ink just ends up leaking out of the bottom of the tip. Also there are barely any drips&#33;

[Rogue]

Originally posted by toke_wdc+May 13 2007, 06:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (toke_wdc @ May 13 2007, 06:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Rogue@May 13 2007, 05:56 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-toke_wdc@May 13 2007, 05:55 PM
I need some help on getting down the flowpen.Â* I cant seem to make it drip.Â* Is there a certain way to make the pen drip?
pump it
I do that the the ink just ends up leaking out of the bottom of the tip. Also there are barely any drips&#33; [/b][/quote]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8OxMjbMH3I

watch this then

[toke_wdc]

Oh sh.it I see now..I guess I was holding it down for too long...=D

[anti-anti-crime]

ive got a mini flowpen but it sucks ass, cant even get a good line, my woodcraft is better

[Degausserr x]

So I just got my 4 OTR&#39;s in.

Black 050- Pretty good, ink isnt amazing but the marker isnt bad.
Black Flowpen- Sick as hell, but messy as well.
Red 060- Pretty good, hard to get the ink flowing perfectly sometimes.
Silver 160- Same as 060.

But overall they&#39;re good markers, a little pricey, but good. I just want to use all their stock ink and put some good shit in there.

[Walters]

i have a couple otrs i have amini hard to buff a scrawl pen and adflow pen and i like allof thewm the scrawl is a it wierd to use at first asnd takes parctise with the flow pen is so nice but is verry messy and the hard to buff is like the flow pen just black and it wrightsnice but theinkruns out fast on the minis :angry: but of well i will just buy refill

[eNcE]

i have a mini otr flow pen it was shity at first and it mad no drips at all waste of ink.then i put grog in it i just tagged with it for like 2 months i dident care about the drips at all but after the nib was worn in it started to work awsom i pushed the nib down while i tagged an the worn nib would block the ink from droping to the ground :D now thats the only thing i use
and kidspaint squeeze mops

[Skesh]

OTRs are tricky...
if you press the nib, or shake the marker the drips are everywhere, like on your clothes,shoes, the wall and your neighbour

[ekin]

are scrawl pens any good or are other streaks better

[Degausserr x]

Originally posted by ekin@May 19 2007, 12:13 PM
are scrawl pens any good or are other streaks better
i hear theyre sick and write great on everything, and hard to buff at that...

just what i heard though

[JSBiggz]

Should i buy an otr h2b mini? i already have an h2b jumbo....and is the h2b ink good in a kiwi mop? or should i just keep it for my markers

[Skesh]

Everyone is gonna tell you that the HTB ink isnt that good, and that you should buy grog or krink or something for your kiwi

I personally dont know

[RustyBurrito]

HTB is less runny then grog so it would be fine in a mop. It&#39;s really nice actually.

[d_g]

Too bad it&#39;s not hard to buff at all.

[Jroc1993]

im gonna buy a otr marker of some sort when i go on vacation later this summer what kind should i get?

[Choleric]

Hey can someone help explain how the OTR Flowpen works? I was thinking of purchasing one but i don&#39;t know if its worth the money. How do you adjust the marker so it adds more drips to your tag?

[Skesh]

Originally posted by Choleric@May 25 2007, 12:53 AM
Hey can someone help explain how the OTR Flowpen works? I was thinking of purchasing one but i don&#39;t know if its worth the money. How do you adjust the marker so it adds more drips to your tag?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8OxMjbMH3I

[Choleric]

Hey Skesh thanks for the video that really helped out.

[Jroc1993]

Originally posted by Jroc1993@May 24 2007, 05:35 PM
im gonna buy a otr marker of some sort when i go on vacation later this summer what kind should i get?
my questions never get answered so im bumpin this till it does

[Degausserr x]

the HTBs are nice, however as said above teh ink is not very hard to buff

also i enjoy my flowpen very much. at first it was drippy as shit, but now not so much, but that may be because im low on ink.

also i enjoy writing with my 160 silver OTR. nice and mini and fits in my pocket, and never actually gone back to see how its buffed... but i like it

[Degausserr x]

i still didnt exactly answer your question. i would say go with the flowpen. pretty good stock ink, nice drips when you want them and nice flow when you dont.

i would also suggest buying the package on Bscience in the little sales section because that ink goes fast

[Jroc1993]

well i aint to worried about it gettin buffed cuz nothing around here gets buffed but i do want something thats drippy so im gonna go with the flowpen
does it use alotta ink?

[Degausserr x]

if you write drippy, it uses tons. however, writing normally doesnt use as much. most OTRs sadly use a large amount of ink. i got an 050 and its already done, and tried to put grog in it and it got all screwy.

but yeah once again i suggest teh package in the BS store.

[BIGel]

Originally posted by Degausserr x@May 24 2007, 07:20 PM
the HTBs are nice, however as said above teh ink is not very hard to buff

also i enjoy my flowpen very much. at first it was drippy as shit, but now not so much, but that may be because im low on ink.

also i enjoy writing with my 160 silver OTR. nice and mini and fits in my pocket, and never actually gone back to see how its buffed... but i like it
the metallic otr colors blow, they cover like shite..dont buy one. the black and blues look aight.

[d_g]

Originally posted by Jroc1993@May 25 2007, 10:35 AM
im gonna buy a otr marker of some sort when i go on vacation later this summer what kind should i get?
Bro, if you insist on getting an OTR get the flowpen or the HTB.

I like the HTB, nice marker (even though you can get chalk markers etc which are basically the same just different ink). The only difference between the two OTRs^^^ is they have different inks. I&#39;d suggest getting some better ink with it aswell. Might as well get a spare nib too, then you&#39;ll be set for a while.

The paint markers are good for like two tags. Once it&#39;s been out of action for a day or so some of the paint dries in the nib and they start to flow like absolute shit. Not like diarrohea shit, like haven&#39;t eaten enough vegies shit.

[Degausserr x]

thats basically what one of my paint markers did, im pissed. im just sticking with diff kinds of paint pens right now, easier to rack and work nice.

got some decos/prismas/woodcrafts yesterday.

[HoodRichSucka]

mini OTR HTB is real sick. i got the HTB ink and garvey to refill it, its a nice marker even tho ppl say it sucks. trust me.
as for the metalllic otr paint/ink watever, its really tight (color) and i think it covers shit just fine. recommend OTR shit, good quality too

just one mans opinion..

-d

[Degausserr x]

i really want to get a mini HTB and mini flowpen with some ink...

but i hate ordering online... and i think OTR is over priced. for now im sticking to micheals products racking and buying a bit.

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Degausserr x@May 25 2007, 09:33 PM
i really want to get a mini HTB and mini flowpen with some ink...

but i hate ordering online... and i think OTR is over priced. for now im sticking to micheals products racking and buying a bit.
Exactly. They are overpriced. A zig glue will drip like a flowpen, and write better than an otr since it has a softer nib. Zigs just flow better and don&#39;t clog up.

[Degausserr x]

where do you get these "glue pens" i have a zig wood craft and its dank

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Degausserr x@May 25 2007, 10:02 PM
where do you get these "glue pens" i have a zig wood craft and its dank
The Zig Woodcrafts are like them, but the glue pens are way better. You get them at michaels on the glue/scrapbook isle. It&#39;s 2 in 1 and looks like the woodcrafts but smaller.

[sketch13]

Originally posted by JSBiggz@May 24 2007, 11:50 AM
Should i buy an otr h2b mini? i already have an h2b jumbo....and is the h2b ink good in a kiwi mop? or should i just keep it for my markers
not even worth it.....if you already have the jumbo...theres no point in getting the mini its practically around the same price range for less...just my opinion but if you want it get it...

[Degausserr x]

Originally posted by Rogue+May 25 2007, 10:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Rogue @ May 25 2007, 10:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Degausserr x@May 25 2007, 10:02 PM
where do you get these "glue pens" i have a zig wood craft and its dank
The Zig Woodcrafts are like them, but the glue pens are way better. You get them at michaels on the glue/scrapbook isle. It&#39;s 2 in 1 and looks like the woodcrafts but smaller. [/b][/quote]
thanks bro

[Just Another]

If I get a mini flowpen can I refill it with grog?

[HoodRichSucka]

^^^yeah for sure


as for the overpiced, yea, 5dollars is WAY too much for a marker. just get a fucking job and buy 2markers , some ink and ur fine. expensive?? hahaha wow. yea, expensive if u buy 30


-d

[Just Another]

Alright thanks man.

[Degausserr x]

theyre like 8 plus shipping. but nice try.

[souper-soker]

alright well i seriously wudnt care if i never heard the phrase / word OTR again i men sure i wudnt mind havin a free flow pen and i have nothing against there products but holly shit i dont think theres a thread on bombing science tht u can go on with out some one mentioning something about an otr.

[Degausserr x]

haha thats kinda true, but theyre good. just overpriced and not exactly worth it when there are other products just as good if not better mroe easily available.

[eulo-partylenin]

scrawl pens are literally a peice of shit in a tube. and they never dry. a month later i smeared my frends scrawl pen spot.

[Flash_One]

yeah basicly, and nice sig. lol

[Flash_One]

Originally posted by ekin@May 19 2007, 12:13 PM
are scrawl pens any good or are other streaks better
other streaks.. I like sakuras personaly. I find them to be more softer/oily compared to a markal for example those things are rock hard.

[i write]

Originally posted by Flash_One+May 27 2007, 04:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flash_One @ May 27 2007, 04:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ekin@May 19 2007, 12:13 PM
are scrawl pens any good or are other streaks better
other streaks.. I like sakuras personaly. I find them to be more softer/oily compared to a markal for example those things are rock hard. [/b][/quote]
naw man paintsticks>sakuras, their much cheaper and do the same job, you can soften em a bit but still if you use them on a smooth surface then its not really a problem, also sakuras rub off so fucking easy, the amount of times ive covered my hands in that shit is crazy, whereas as the paintsticks have that skin shit and their hard so they dont smudge off. paint>mops>markers>markals>sakuras

[Code_sucht]

Are these OTR Scrawl pens as bad as these guys say?
Is it that for all of them or just a certain few colors?

And what about those sakuras? Are they any good?
I am hearing mixed emotions left and right of these things.


Thanks for any good advice

[MASO]

i dunno bout scrawl pens but sakura streakers are good for windows, doors, or anything smooth. if you use it on cement it eats it up too quickly. and it only looks good when you split it and combine 2 colors.

[sir.holland]

my fave OTR marker is the OTR on the run. super sick. i can get drips wherever i want, or not drips at all. and can change my font size from like 7mm to 15 mm,,,,super steezy.

[MASO]

my fave OTR marker is the OTR on the run.

it doesnt make sense to say your favorite marker is the On the Run On the Run. I'm assuming you meant flowpen.

[Rogue]

You know what the best kind of OTR is?? The OTR Zig Glue Pen! It's fucking tight, and guess what?!? It's free unlike piece of shit OTR's that cost $6 for the same fucking marker!

[toke_wdc]

Okay...you needed a slap for that one...

[casperFT]

anyone tried the "streetduster" or the "moppin marker" or that circle tipped one?

[toke_wdc]

I have a moppin marker. It's one of my favorites, very opaque and it doesn't fade. Also, you can refill the pen with water when it's half empty and the color will remain the same. That round pen your talking about is the scrawl pen?

[mattFOO]

i do that when my markers get low too...

[_Dust_]

its prolly not a heavy though when you do that..

[casperFT]

oh word and nahh the round tipped one is just like idk like a regular round tipped marker with a pump or some shit i saw it on the siteee

[Hask420]

u mean the mops???

[casperFT]

OTR makes mops?

[vampireboy65]

ok i got my flow pen today and it anit so great as i thought. when i tried to make some drips it dripped onto the ground before it hit the wall and when it did drip on the wall it was all big and just a mark down not a drip.ALSO i did like 6 tags and now like only 3/4 of the ink left. also u can see what was under the ink can anyone help me FIX ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS i mean its a good marker just it got some flaws PLZ HELP

[Degausserr x]

yes the ink runs fast especially when you pump it for drips. i had the same problem at first, my drips dripped off the wall and made puddles at my feet. i dont know it just started working all of a sudden for me. not im like 1/5 of ink left and i have to pump to make full lines... not the best marker ever but eh

[vampireboy65]

ya idk i bought axtra ink but it kinda a pain but hey it a hella bomb marker( kinda off topic pilots are much better AND A PLACE DOWN THE STREET SELLS them for one dollar lol it tight)

[Degausserr x]

right now ive found zig woodcrafts and glue pens to be DANK SHIT

everyone try those over OTRs free if you rack and cheaper than OTRs even if you buy

also theyre easier to get

[toke_wdc]

OTR makes mops?
Moppin marker not mop...Yeah I thought the same when I first hear the name.

[Degausserr x]

they should make a mop. i wanna see if itd be sick. doubt id order it because kiwis are just so much easier. i just wanna see haha

[MASO]

to get more drips on the surface rather than at your feet just make sure that the nib is angled about 45 degrees downward when you pump it for more ink. that way the ink flows out the tube, down to the tip of the nib, and on the surface!

[Degausserr x]

that would have been helpful... i would have used a lot more ink.

[Degausserr x]

okay so i got a zig glue today, and i highly suggest them to everyone looking at OTRs. theyre cheaper (im pretty sure) if you buy and easy to rack. nib is great, got a good pump system, and to me its the perfect size.

i dont have any ink to put in it right now, but once i do ill post another review

[KLYPSE6193]

flowpens r dope

[TRIE1]

quik tip on juss normal OTR is if u open it up there a spunge in the cap that ull see where the nib cums up...take that out and u get alot beter flow control...a little messy tho...

[toke_wdc]

Okay I noticed something about my moppin marker... After it dries on a wall, you can rub it right off!!!WHATDAFUKIZUP?

[SeKond6]

anyone know where to get otr markers at regular stores? or any type of markers that are similar?

[Rogue]

anyone know where to get otr markers at regular stores? or any type of markers that are similar?

You are the kind of person that makes me hate these forums :(. Zig glue pens, please read before you ask!:mad:

[tense]

i have 5 otr's all dope

[NAME246]

Okay I noticed something about my moppin marker... After it dries on a wall, you can rub it right off!!!WHATDAFUKIZUP?

I had the same problem and i added some peak anti-freeze and it helped to make it dry faster and stain.

[Rogue]

OTR ink doesn't ghost unless you add the right things to it.

[NAME246]

i always try adding some anti freeze or some of this phantom pigment i got at the artstore to my inks to keep them permanent. i dont know how good brake fluid works it just slows down the drying time. What do you use?

[Rogue]

Secret ingriedients. Read the inks thread and you'll find some of them out.

[Kayone707]

I had the same problem and i added some peak anti-freeze and it helped to make it dry faster and stain. My probelm was i put too muck brake fluid but i dont know about you.

antifreez and break fluid are two Totally diff shit..
please dont work on anyones car.

[toke_wdc]

antifreez and break fluid are two Totally diff shit..
please dont work on anyones car.
lol

[OSET SBK]

i think OTR have a nice flow to them

[rolling roks]

i cant get OTRs anywhere around my town
i am stuck with
magnums
marksalots (same as the magnum only weird nib)
water based Zig Posterpaints (my favorite)
sharpie paints
and other little paint markers
which i take the little ones
collect ink from a few of the same kind
and make my own mops
definetly the best way to go

[rolling roks]

and meanstreaks
its seems like thats all the other writers use
alittle weird
but streaks own

[HoodRichSucka]

otr mini htb.... i love it even tho everyone hates on it. i personally love it. plus garvey ink. SICK

[Specialized To Vandalize]

Has anyone on here refilled the mini htb? Am I supposed to unscrew the top of it or??

[Hask420]

Has anyone on here refilled the mini htb? Am I supposed to unscrew the top of it or??

if you want to refill it?? then unscrew the top and pull the pump system out and fill it up but dont put too much casue then it explodes

[TAZM]

does michaels carry any kind of marker that would be useful for tagging? soemthing similar to a OTR style marker or mop.

[Degausserr x]

YES! go to the scrap booking isle and get the zig glue pen

cap twists off the opposite way, take out the pump empty the glue refill

amazing marker

also there are zig woodcrafts in the wood isle thing with chartpacks that are good markers but come with shit ink in them

[TAZM]

are chartpacks those things with the chalk ink in them?

and does michaels have good ink i could take too?

[Degausserr x]

they have india ink but that sucks... you could make GK from stuff from home depot or something

or rit dye and acrylic

and chartpacks... ive never really used so i dont know.. i hear theyre similiar to prismacolors, theyre used for blackbooks not tags or anything

[Rogue]

are chartpacks those things with the chalk ink in them?

and does michaels have good ink i could take too?

Chart Packs are sketching markers. Your thnking of chalk markers.

Michael's has no good ink. The only worthwile thing there is markers and other things.

And anyways, why the fuck are you posting this here? This is the OTR markers thread, and what you posted had nothing to d with OTR's.

[TAZM]

i posted it here because i was thinking about ordering an OTR and was wondering if anything was similar to an OTR so i wouldnt have to order it.

[Rogue]

Just go to Michael's or another art store. Look for Woodcrafts, Terra Cotta's, or Zig 2 in 1 glue pens. They are exactly like OTR's, but free.

[MaVe911]

Hey guys sorry if this has been asked or anything but if you were to choose from Black Flowpen or a Hard to buff what would you get?pros ,cons?

cheers

[Rogue]

Neither, they both suck but I'll help you out.

Flowpen ink is kind of see through, it's not really a solid dark color. It looks like a ghost somewhat.

HTB is very opac and is the same exact body as a Flowpen.

I would personally get the HTB if I was you. Both have horrible ink, and are insanely easy to buff, but the markers themselves are nice.

[MaVe911]

haha thanks seeing as they both suck , if you had to get a pen but not filled wif ur own ink what would u go for? thanks alot

[Rogue]

Get a Krink marker, Uni Paint, streaker, or make your own markers.

[spc]

yah man i got 4 otrs and i still rather use my film canister mop or a good old meanstreak

[Walters]

yo any one seen thesenew cold sweat marker they say it is like ahard to buff but tar black what isthe difference i have ahard to buff andi loveit and im wondering if it hasbetter ink or isit just the t nib isthe only difference and plus they got sonme sick new markersin acouple days ago

[toke_wdc]

by rogue in the markers thread

Soul tip- Gay ass name, pointless, and a waste of money
Alternative- Bingo dabber, mini mop, kiwi

Street Painter- Just a stret duster filled with shitty OTR paint
Alternative- 2 in 1 glue, Zigs

Cold Sweat- Dumb name, most likely filled with HTB ink, just renamed with a bigger tip
Alternative- Woodcrafts, Terra Cotta's, Glue markers

Circle Tip- Looks dope actually. If it's a circle nib with a pump system, which I'm guessing there is I may get one. If it doesn't have a pump system then fuck it.
Alternatives- If it has a pump system, none. If it doesn't, then bingo dabbers, kiwi's, mini mops

That's all you need to know about the new markers. I destroyed them before they were even sold.

[fnt]

the cold sweat has a little larger nib, and it uses tar/nitro based paint, aka bitumen ink. They pretty much stole Mr. Black's idea of having tar/nitro based ink, which they've had for a while and have in multiple colors, they also have started making markers, so I guess that's why otr decided to copy
"0.8" tips, ink/bitumen marker- The OTR.071 Cold Sweat marker is a ink/bitumen marker, giving you the same effect and permanent writing as a tar black. The marker comes with a flat nib, larger than the original OTR.070 marker. Pump-system marker and refillable with the ink of your choice."

[its all good till the cops come]

the circle tip actually looks pretty dope. but i bet the ink is horrible as usual

[Rogue]

I know the ink will suck, but I ordered a Circle Tip. Should be here soon, I'll let you guys know how it is. Otr's still suck, but maybe they did something right for once with the circle tip.....

[fnt]

circle and bullets are always my faveorite, but hard to get large size, while slim and tough like a marker, hope it's nice

[F.R.A.T.]

i think the soul tip might have potential, ven though mops r inexpesive compared to what they will probbably cost, it'll probbably be way cleaner

[fnt]

and it looks nice and you can see your ink, but you could just get a junobo mop

[Rogue]

The Soultip is just an ovr-priced Bingo Dabber

[tense]

yeep, i can get 12 bingo dabbers for 3.99, but because its OTR they overprice it, OTR is the Nike of the graffiti market

[fnt]

at least for markers

[souper-soker]

ive said this b4 and ill say it again otr sucks they are over priced and just poor dont get hung up in the look of it bcuz its a graff brand all tht they are doing is takeing some thing tht u can get for a fraction of the price some where else and putting there label on it and the sad part is that people are falling for it its gona take alot for me to change my mind or there gona have to relase a dope new ink or sumthing for me to even consider purchasing any of there products.pce.

[its all good till the cops come]

i kno its like they take theyre target audience and give them somthing totally useless, and use false advertising in the process. why not give us somthin that we can actually use without feelin completely retarded.

[Walters]

yo that hard to buff is a fucking scam it dosnt fade but 2 days ago i hit up these to boxes right near each outher and then next day they buffed it off and i used a hard to buff and i cant see a ghost tagg but i never went up to it yet i cant see any thing from my car when i drive past and i have a flow pen and i hit up a light box and in 2 weeks that shit faded right off

[ZOT]

yo that hard to buff is a fucking scam it dosnt fade but 2 days ago i hit up these to boxes right near each outher and then next day they buffed it off and i used a hard to buff and i cant see a ghost tagg but i never went up to it yet i cant see any thing from my car when i drive past and i have a flow pen and i hit up a light box and in 2 weeks that shit faded right off



Its also easy to buff montana SPARYpaint.. I mean why are people bullshitting, EVERY INK IS BUFFABLE buy nero or som good ink

[omek1]

mcDonalds staff are able to clean up tags of
OTR paint markers, OTR HTB markers, OTR Flow Pen
without any ghosts.

While the tag with Pilot ink in zig + bit of dot 3 gave the door a light lovely ghost

[fannypack uprock]

every ink is buffable. but that otr h2b is pretty resistant to the elements.. ive had tags ride a few years with that shit.. which.. for an unadulterated ink is pretty good.

[omek1]

every ink is buffable. but that otr h2b is pretty resistant to the elements.. ive had tags ride a few years with that shit.. which.. for an unadulterated ink is pretty good.

So with addons do you think it gotta be even better then itself?
lets say after adding dot3 or even mix with some garvey or leather dye?

sinice i had never customize the otr h2b ink, for its original power its really simillar to pure pilots, just **slightly** harder to get the right thing to buff... but for cleaning companies h2b is surely an easy task for them

[fannypack uprock]

yeah i definately think it can be kicked up a bit..
as far as buffing goes h2b isnt that tuff.. most inks arent. i would even venture to say that all inks arent that much of a challange.. the idea of permanence is much saught after in graff but not as easy to attain. and theres not much you can do about it unfortunately.

[minor crimes]

i use half nero black and half grog black. with a dash of purple flowpen ink it fucking works wonders leaves the best scars. dark purple bro. thats where the shit is. chrome grog is good too. i use an empty flowpen n use my custom ink in it. i just like using the otr for the nib size and i like the size of them.

[ZOT]

i use half nero black and half grog black. with a dash of purple flowpen ink it fucking works wonders leaves the best scars. dark purple bro. thats where the shit is. chrome grog is good too. i use an empty flowpen n use my custom ink in it. i just like using the otr for the nib size and i like the size of them.

grog is really easy buffable, what I heard is that nero is the best ink, I have not that much experience with different inks, but if my tag will last for sum years its ok

[Rogue]

Nero isn't the best, and Grog isn't that bad. But most inks are better mixed together anyway....

[fnt]

do em dirty

[Soner_603]

how do you use the OTR scrawl pens. it would be awesome if you could post pics of directions or something. please

[souper-soker]

u open it and write on the wall and you put the cap back on idk why you bought that they are the worst pieces of shit ever like every other otr marker.

[harry]

well im about to buy some otr's and i im gonna buy a tgstar and a few others so would you guys tell me which others to get flow pen or what

[sk8er6]

modded zig markers.
with OTR nibs.
yeah.

[backpacker]

im about to go get a otr flowpen in a few weeks.

[rolling roks]

anybody thinking about buying a OTR marker
with the exception of flowpens
just grab a Zig posterman or Zig 2 way glue pen
same nibs and valves
take out the ink in it though
its water based and in the case of the 2 way its glue
then fill with your own
and tada marker just as good if not better than OTR
and who would buy a bingo dabber for that price????
just cuz its got OTR on it?