Otr Markers

[KaRkUs]

hey,

this is a pretty toy topic but i was just wondering if theres any actual difference, in the pen itself not the ink which is held within, between the otr 0.70 / hard to buff and the 0.84 / flowpens.

pretty simple question really, would sort of like to know :P

peace out

[Dsenter NAV]

dont know, actually havent used an otr. but i do now the 2 most important things are ink and nib.

[Dsenter NAV]

and if u wanna know y i havent used an otr, it cos i dont have a credit card andd so i havent bought one

[Resk One]

Well i think the flowpen is for drips but i dont know if its just the ink or the marker itself, never used one.

[the infamous one]

i dont think theres any difference apart from the fact that flowpens have a pump valve.

[neurosis]

drippy-ass pink flowpen.... :wub:

[pogopope]

i have one of each... im pretty sure theyre the same markers just w/ diffrent inks.

and dsenter you dont need a credit card, you can use a money order thats what i do.

[zil]

ya they are pretty much the same.. sept the flowie is clear... only the ink is diff...

[jurass finish first]

Originally posted by the infamous one@Jun 21 2004, 08:54 AM
i dont think theres any difference apart from the fact that flowpens have a pump valve.
so does the hard to buff though

[Ravek]

i love the flowpen

[the_uniBOMBER]

pretty well the only difference is the ink


the flowpen has drippy ink
the hard to buff has more permanent ink

both are fun

[AsTeK]

And they both funny and eazy to mix some shit

[KaRkUs]

o sweet as thats sort of what i was thinking aswell :D thanks you guys

peace out

[oblong]

flowpen ink is alot thinner and therefore drips
h2b ink is thicker and clings better

[Freddy Fresh 137]

i would say they are the same. (except for the ink...)

[broke.down]

B) RECAP AFTER USE THAT'S RIGHT THIS PENCIL KIK SOME ASS

[HeTaK-cac]

they are the same but the hard to buff is most permanent and de ink do nice drips

[RevOne]

most OTR's are the same and the ink and nib are different

[prophet]

i dont no the difference but i do no that the otr htb was the best thing i ever bought but dang not even a week and im almost out of ink

[Zhero]

get a flowpen for its clear container, cause you need the extra style points, and buy some h2b ink. now you got the best of both worlds

[HeTaK-cac]

buy hard to buff ink its the best

[jurass finish first]

Originally posted by HeTaK-cac@Jun 26 2004, 12:04 AM
buy hard to buff ink its the best
garvey, marsh, nero

[KaRkUs]

htb pen is see through bro, just inks dark so it kinda hard to see. just hold it up right for a little bit and it goes to bottom of pen so u can see how much ink u got :)

[Zhero]

i just ordered a pink flowpen from bs, they were out of the h2b. and a pilot jumbo too. ill let you know how it works out

[vancitybomber]

good job on the pilot jumbos. best pens for the price in my opinion, also the best use of 3.49! I just bought 2 of each color off ap and they sent me a free refill ink.
stick pins in them and they will drip all over.

[jurass finish first]

pilots are the best markers out there. they're hellacheap too so you dont have to worry about fuckin em up as much too.

[SmoKe]

nah they are all the same ask sino e will expalin the all the shit ... all the pen are same exept some have larger nibs but all pen that have pomp system are the same , they all come form 1 industry only the name are diferend and the ink or paint .. ask sino about LACK MARKET the name is fucken wak but it work fucken good in window ...

and hard to buff ...

nvm do what you whant it only a surgestion
and for cans go buy rusto cans you can get 1 can for 1.99 at OMER DE SER wen there is a spetial and wen you buy alot at time ... nvm


peace out


----> smoke bt crew

[SmoKe]

Originally posted by jurass finish first@Jun 30 2004, 08:16 PM
pilots are the best markers out there. they're hellacheap too so you dont have to worry about fuckin em up as much too.
pilot and lack market are the same exept lack are bether
1- pilot and lack market got same ink
2-but lack amrket got a pomp system ...


nvm try and you will see or ask sino to show you a lack marker buy it and try it on a window ... it opack ( it cover well )

there is only problem they dont do white in for lack market ( i like white ink )
but i must buy 1 lack marker red ( i like red to ) and a bombing (white)

[CaSoNe]

hahaha ha ha ..haha..ha buy a marker

[draino]

screw those just buy a mettallic molotow burner . there crazy and the ink stays shiny outside for a long time its really cool!!

[CaSoNe]

i made a marker thats kinda like a molotow otr...its a zig glue pen filled with silver ink its like the same shit...cept i stole everything so it was free

[m0dem_]

i just bought a tagstar i think it sucks i tryed pokeing holes in the nib, adn the ink stil doesnt flow right anyone got any suggestions...or i wass planing on buying some montana mettelic ink ....but i dont think it wuld go in ym tagstar.......

[hansolohasnothingonthisbadbadboy]

The best use for a tagstar is to throw it at stuff and then laugh when it breaks. Worst marker ever. And for that ink bullshit, H2B ink is the worst ink Ive ever seen. I once did a tag with it and some punk ass bitch crossed me out. Then when mr buffer came with a cloth and windex he buffed my tag but the line is still there. Assholes...

[m0dem_]

haha thnx, as i speak i am thowing my tagstar aginst the wall

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

ive heard of ppl tagging the cement with their tagstars :ph34r: but im not gettin 1, they look pretty crappily made


(crappily is not a real word) :mellow:

[eARTHcULTURE]

i like all the otr pens but i really hate the tagstar!! ne1 want mine.. ahahaha

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

ill take it :lol: i heard they can be pretty fammable :D ;)

[eARTHcULTURE]

did ne 1 ever buy ne thing from liquidcrack.net? the mini otr pens are pretty cheap

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

yep i heard theyre just a waste of money, its better just to get the fullsize 1s :ph34r: but they are pretty cheap :D

[kostic]

use w/e works and get up guys. and if it sucks when its empty take wat u want and throw it at somthing. idk if any one mentioned this but i think the flowpen is only clear to help u see how much shit is left cause u be flowin that ink out. i havnt used any hrb markers yet just otr's,freehand,pilot,pentel and uni paint all my other markers are just like customed markers that are jsut hacked to shit. and i also love my mop but i need to rebuild a nib of some sort for it somtiem.

[obscene]

the tagstar is awsome, just takes practice... sucks at first... skips and shit, but if u get good at handling it, its probably the best superfat marker, and yes, OTR ink is the same except for their paint markers

[casperFT]

just ordered a blue flowpen and a hard to buff hope their worth it

[Solid]

does anyone know if you can put etch cream inside of a otr hard to buff marker?? if so do you have to clean it out or what should i put the "ink" in??

[Slob]

Originally posted by the_uniBOMBER@Jun 21 2004, 12:32 PM
pretty well the only difference is the ink


the flowpen has drippy ink
the hard to buff has more permanent ink

both are fun
CORRECT!

[casperFT]

where can i get the otr h2b ink?

[casperFT]

where can i get the otr h2b ink?

[Solid]

Has anyone ever tryed putting like that india ink that they sell in art shops to do like that chinese writing shit? does it work good?

[Solid]

Has anyone ever tryed putting like that india ink that they sell in art shops to do like that chinese writing shit? does it work good? or like those little bottles of ink that they sell with the droper top

[Kayone707]

india ink?? isnt that water based?

[Solid]

no idea

[m0dem_]

yea its water based...tried it very badd idea.... as soon as you go fro your tagg..... its comes off because waterd dosent stick.....to anythinhgs

[kildaillest]

i had some ink like that..it was calligraphy ink but it wasnt water based..it was good shit...drippy too:)

[^ AsTro ^]

does micheals have otr's??

hmm i never heard of a otr...but my freinds call it sumthing else.

explanation please =)

[denali]

on the run = otr

...........is there someone with the tag eko?

[quickpainter]

just curious since i aint never heard of an otr marker whats an otr marker?

[denali]

.......my name says newb too but that doesnt mean i ask stupid ass questions

[kyer]

any 1 no how 2 refill a flowpen. i tried but iam 2 forcefull and breakshit sometimes. any suggestions?

[CaSoNe]

um u unscrew it...and take out the pump system..and refill it...then u put everything bak together

[kyer]

yeah i unscrewed it but how do u take out the pump?

[denali]

...........um you just take it out, what other kind of explanation do you need? theres no specific way to get it out







you sir, are a fucking moron
j/k

[kyer]

yeah i figured it out and there is a simple explanation if ur good with words.... "pop off out the pump valve" so i realy dont think u know wut ur talking about... i hate ppl that think they know wut there talking about

[denali]

you dont need a phd in engineering to understand the directions "take out the pump valve"........douche

[kyer]

but would it kill ya to be a tad bit more specific instead of coming off like an ignorant asshole that dosnt know wtf hes talking about?

[denali]

yes

[the_uniBOMBER]

UNI'S GUIDE TO REFILLING OTR MARKERS!

Step 1. Take OTR Marker (for this guide i have used a hard to buff, but the flowpen is exactly the same).
http://www.smartgroups.com/picvault/23787162.jpg/ACFYECDtbW_A.jpg

Step 2. Firmly grasp OTR Marker.
http://www.smartgroups.com/picvault/23787178.jpg/ACFZECEtbW_A.jpg

Step 3. Twist cap off OTR Marker.
http://www.smartgroups.com/picvault/23787194.jpg/ACFAFCFtbW_A.jpg

Resulting in this
http://www.smartgroups.com/picvault/23787210.jpg/ACFBFCGtbW_A.jpg

Step 4. Remove pump (you can see the small line between the body of the marker and the pump in the above picture)
http://www.smartgroups.com/picvault/23787226.jpg/ACFCFCHtbW_A.jpg

Step 5. Replace pump

Step 6. Screw top back on

Step 7. Enjoy!

(If you really need pictures for the last 3 steps, you shouldn't be around ink. You might swallow it.)

[Kayone707]

might i add... some markers you twist the other way than normal...

oh and by the way....your pix...


THEY STINK... :lol:

[denali]

lol uni is the bomb.com always so helpful with his linkage and whatnot

and spiffy guides for n00bs like meh.........cept i can fuckin take apart a marker unlike some lazy bums out there (kyer)

[denali]

w00t w00t im a JUNIOR MEMBER!!!!!!!!! hooray im a dork sorry

[MyTagsASpanishWord]

NEVER EVER PUT GHETTO KRINK IN AN OTR.O50. NEVER.

[denali]

y when i see them jumbo pilot markers, some of them have lil squigly lines and others dont? hehe i want a squigly one or do thay all have squigly lines (like i mean on the tube thing it looks like a zebra)

and wheres a good place to buy h2b for cheap, cus im a poor basterd

[MyTagsASpanishWord]

No you cannot get OTR markers anywhere in the USA, you can only order them.

[denali]

sorry, let me clarify.............on the internet....where is a cheap place to get markers on the internet

[CaSoNe]

fukin order them on bs its the cheapest sight to order from...if u cant afford 5 dollars then fukin rack markers from stores damn

[MyTagsASpanishWord]

ok this may be a pretty toy question, but im new to the game, but im not a toy with my styles so .. anywaay,, i heard the OTR molotows work with the same pump system as the flowpen, so basically molotows are flowpens with metallic ink? meaning i can put krink in them???

[CaSoNe]

are u like krink obsessed thats all u talk about

[the_uniBOMBER]

Originally posted by MyTagsASpanishWord@Oct 17 2004, 09:12 PM
ok this may be a pretty toy question, but im new to the game, but im not a toy with my styles so .. anywaay,, i heard the OTR molotows work with the same pump system as the flowpen, so basically molotows are flowpens with metallic ink? meaning i can put krink in them???
I doubt it. You would have to thin it out so that it's the same consistency of the OTR Molotow ink. The best things for homemade krink are kiwi mops. (http://bombingscience.com/graffitiforum/index.php?showtopic=1173&hl=kiwi+mops)

[MyTagsASpanishWord]

yea cause i like silver. lol and also its the easiest to make.

[MyTagsASpanishWord]

thanks uni. you rock ! :thumbs up: lol

[twistedsol831]

the hard to buff is my favorite. the gold molotow is fresh as well. havent tried the flowpen yet. if i want a drippy tag i just use my bingo dabber. works wonders

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gold molotows suck ass they turn into shit brown.
silver molotows are the way ta go ;)
flowpens r o.k. the ink sucks tho, barely permanant
htb's are good but arent really that hard to buff
i dont suggest spending more money on a marker than a can of paint...go for pilots, they kick the shit out of any otr markers any day, no question about it. pilots kill, are cheaper, and u can get drips with them if u want ;)

[aCId II nz]

YO KARKUS WHERE U FROM HOMIE?

[sika_2002]

they dont do flowpens in the uk, well no1 can find them

[REdRum]

Just got the OTR.070 and the tagster in the mail...Was wondering how to fill the .070 up..i unscrewed it but how the fuck am i supposed to get ink in that little hole ? lol "NeEd SomE Help"

[joust]

i just got a OTR .6 metallic blue its amazing, just thought i would put that out there.

[the_uniBOMBER]

THANK YOU JOUST!!! For not starting a new thread that is.

[REdRum]

Hey does any1 know if the ontherun website sends to USA?

[casperFT]

Originally posted by REdRum@Nov 1 2004, 10:01 PM
Hey does any1 know if the ontherun website sends to USA?
i dont think so dude ive tyed but the shit was all in german

[joust]

Originally posted by the_uniBOMBER@Nov 1 2004, 09:31 PM
THANK YOU JOUST!!! For not starting a new thread that is.
your welcome, i know how this shit works :-D. i should be a mod ahahahahaha.

[denali]

i wanna get a flowpen from bs......what color do you all like better seeing how theres only 2 colors to choose from......royal blue or violet?

[w0ne.com]

i learned a lot

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

wow theres only royal blue and violet? i remember when there was tons of colors...such as pink, royal blue, black, violet, ect. but anyway, royal blue is nice, i havnt used violet yet

has any1 noticed that bs store doesnt have hard 2 buffs anymore?
good thing i got 2 b4 they took em out =-D

[denali]

they still got it cus thats one of the ones im getting :D

i wanted black tho damnit, o well i guess ill just have to fill it up with black later on....


http://www.bombingscience.com/catalog.htm?...ategory=Markers (http://www.bombingscience.com/catalog.htm?page=2&category=Markers)

[kyer]

does any 1 know if the otr super permanent ink marker .050 is any good, it sounds alot like a pilot and is almost the same price.

[NightStalker]

i use an OTR 060 Molotov and it works ok , but the ink is a bit too thick so i doens't alway make full lines . I got a montana silver refill ink , said to be thinner.

[STRIFE]

i got the mini 184 in red, its sick, i just gotta get my hands on some otr refill ink cuz it looks like it runs out fast, and bs doesnt have it <_<

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

id giv a site tht has it but i dont want 2/u shouldnt advertise on here...o well..

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

(i dont want to advertise on here, but i would like 2 giv u the site to help)

[MODGrafix]

yep yep yep. but the mods probably wouldnt care that much. you are helping out another writer, and youre entitled to an epeinion (does that make sense?)

[NightStalker]

IS IT WORTH HAVING BOTH A MOLOTOW AND A FLOWPEN ?

?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????

[the_uniBOMBER]

Nope. It's not worth it to have either for that matter. Here i'll say this as an algebraic expression.

Home Made Mops > Any Number of OTRs

[NightStalker]

yeah , mops are fun till they leak in your pockets

[CaSoNe]

my flowpen leaks more then any mop i ever made

[Tony]

i cant take it anymore




ITS "MOLOTOW" NOT "MOLOTOV"


:angry:

[NightStalker]

do you gusy think it should be a good idea of putting montana sivler metallic paint + paint thinner ( 1 tea spoon ) in a 084 Flowpen ? :unsure:

[Ravek]

i don't like any kind of paint based ink in and otr marker or any of the likes it jsut doesn't get a good solid flow for me, but it will work just expierment and if worst comes to worst go buy a new one from a local graff shop, ur lucky if u have one, if i wanna get good suplies i gotta order online i don't even have pilots in my area

[RookieX412]

...i agree w/ ravek, it clogs on me, even if i were to make it mostly thinner...maybe just bad luck.

[NightStalker]

yeah it's true paint doesn't make full line, but i have a half full montana metallic silver acrylic paint bottle (100ml)
and i don't wanna trow it away

[NightStalker]

ill just rack a shoe polish bottle at loblaws and put it in it !

..............................brb...............:P

[ILL]

I got a otr.070 h2b today and I was wonderin if i gotta do anything to get it to work because tha ink cwont come out

[Ravek]

i'm speechless

[Ravek]

u must be the biggest helpless moron ever, think about the oldschool writer they didn't have the interent they had to expierment with shit with no help on


u fucking dumbass u push the nib down on any surface until ink comes

[NightStalker]

OMFG ! i found that whe had to push the nib down to make the ink flow 5 seconds after buying my first pump system marker !
LOL . dude you need help

[Tony]

Originally posted by NightStalker@Dec 3 2004, 10:02 PM
dude you need help
not unlike yourself.

[NightStalker]

stop behind rude ffs

and why don't you pick on Ravek who said "biggest helpless moron ever" and "fucking dumbass "

[Tony]

Originally posted by NightStalker@Dec 3 2004, 10:36 PM
stop behind rude ffs

and why don't you pick on Ravek who said "biggest helpless moron ever" and "fucking dumbass "
because ravek isnt a fuckin moron like you. ravek has his head screwed on right (to an extent), ravek doesnt start a thread asking how to make a marker flow better.




on another note, i modifyed an old OTR i had, into a mini OTR.



SAY WHAT?

[ILL]

I just kept fuckin around with it and i got it to work

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

i thought it was common sense..if ur going to buy a "pump system" marker, you obviously would "pump" it

duh

[NightStalker]

Originally posted by Tony@Dec 4 2004, 03:41 AM
because ravek isnt a fuckin moron like you. ravek has his head screwed on right (to an extent), ravek doesnt start a thread asking how to make a marker flow better.

on another note, i modifyed an old OTR i had, into a mini OTR.

And yours i screwed right ? You haven't provend your "intelligence" to me. The only thing you proved to me it's that your a fucking prick and should shut the fuck up for now...

And who cares what you do whit your old markers fuckhead ( maybe put more details asshole ).

I'll just ignore your posts from now on like a mature person that doesn't have time to waste on helpless morons.

[scarface]

i jus order 4 new otr's mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[curve]

i'm awaiting five OTRs to be shipped, after the arrive and i hit up the streets i'll let you guys know how they work. did i already post that in this thread? i hope not.

[CaSoNe]

damn bombingscience must b makin so mcuh money

[Tony]

Originally posted by NightStalker+Dec 4 2004, 11:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (NightStalker @ Dec 4 2004, 11:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tony@Dec 4 2004, 03:41 AM
because ravek isnt a fuckin moron like you. ravek has his head screwed on right (to an extent), ravek doesnt start a thread asking how to make a marker flow better.

on another note, i modifyed an old OTR i had, into a mini OTR.

And yours i screwed right ? You haven't provend your "intelligence" to me. The only thing you proved to me it's that your a fucking prick and should shut the fuck up for now...

And who cares what you do whit your old markers fuckhead ( maybe put more details asshole ).

I'll just ignore your posts from now on like a mature person that doesn't have time to waste on helpless morons. [/b][/quote]
i dont need to prove shit to retards like you on the internet. ive made plenty of freinds off this site and i talk to them all outside of here, they all know whats up and what im doing, thats all that really matters.



and did you just say you didnt care what i did with old markers....and then ask me how to do it? :lol:

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

nightstalker is a faggot...i hope he ignore's my posts like a mature person....because im not mature at all and will keep dissing him on here since he annoys me on just about every topic on here

[Tony]

anyone who wants to know how to make a mini otr, pm me, i made a tutorial :lol:

[Jandro]

I wanna know, send me the tutorial if its true.

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

i would like to know to...but im guessing that it is something like "chop it in half, and put ducttape on the bottom" or somethin lol......probably not, but thats what iwould do (im not very smart..)

[NightStalker]

Originally posted by Tony@Dec 4 2004, 02:52 PM
....and then ask me how to do it? :lol:
i never asked you how to do it , only gave you a tip

over and out fuckhole

[kyer]

nightstalker is a toy.... thats all i have to say. id realy like to know wut he writes...

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

nightstalker post ur work

[DOUK or DIE]

i like HTB because as the name implies, its really hard to buff, escpecially when you add some good ol' dot 3 brake fluid

[RookieX412]

...nightstalker, looks like you made friends quickly.

[Jandro]

Thanks for the tutorial Tony, gonna try that out later.

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

yah thanks tony i recieved that quickly, once my pink flowpen runs out of ink im doing that

[Jandro]

Hey, I wanna know about the flowpens, do them have something to reduce the drips?, if not, how much drips do them throw?, I mean, do they throw so much drips that you cannot even read what you wrote?

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

Originally posted by MyTagsASpanishWord@Oct 17 2004, 03:17 PM
No you cannot get OTR markers anywhere in the USA, you can only order them.
yeah u can dumbass.........havent u ever heard of graff shops?

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oh and flowpens only drip if u pump them..its just like a normal marker but if u press on the nib it goes down, which pumps ink into the nib, thus making your tags drippy...but if u dont press it, it will just be a normal tag...n drips r good, why wouldnt u want them?

[Jandro]

Kool, now I want one of those.

Later, maybe the next year, Ill buy the three mini OTR markers: Hard to buff, Flowpen and the normal one.

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

i would suggest getting regular sized ones...the minis are only like 1-2 dollars less (depending on where u get them) but they are like 1/4-1/2 the size....then again they are really good for hiding and stuff

[joust]

Originally posted by NightStalker+Dec 4 2004, 01:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (NightStalker @ Dec 4 2004, 01:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tony@Dec 4 2004, 03:41 AM
because ravek isnt a fuckin moron like you. ravek has his head screwed on right (to an extent), ravek doesnt start a thread asking how to make a marker flow better.

on another note, i modifyed an old OTR i had, into a mini OTR.

I'll just ignore your posts from now on like a mature person that doesn't have time to waste on helpless morons. [/b][/quote]
wow, you insolent little bitch i really fucking hate people like you. Tony knows what he is talking about, you do not because your a fucking little toy.

[Jandro]

I like the minis because you can hide it very easy (just what you said) and I love little object (they attract me).

And how about the ink, how less ink do they have compared to the regular ones?

[STRIFE]

does anyone know where to get flowpen ink??? i asked earlier but then dude said he didnt wanna give a link on the forum, if you can help pm me or somethin thanks :P

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

the place that had flowpen ink that i knew of doesn't have it anymore...srry

[denali]

its hard for me not to pump them cus when i write they jsut sometimes get pushed down :(

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

just dont press, slide

i hate pumping them when i write, cuz they dont exactly slide and pump 4 me at the same time...i hafta like pump em before i start writing.........n then maybe it will drip...

has any1 gotten decent drips w/ htb's?

[Jandro]

Have anyone tryed the mini OTRs?, Im really interested in them. Are they any good?

And here is the flowpen ink for strife:

http://www.liquidcrack.net/on_the_run_marker.htm

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

the minis are the same as the big ones...same nib, same everything, just different, smaller body...im ordering a mini hard 2 buff, 4 extra nibs, and 2 16 oz of garvey and i should be set for ever (:D)

[Jandro]

Oh ok, so I like the misnis the best...

4 extra nibs??, why so much?

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

so i can just keep the marker..i would rather buy more nibs and better ink than just keep buying new ones...they are refillable u know..

[*Baozone*]

..

[Seek]

agreed. I have both a OTR mini hard-to-buff and a violet OTR Flowpen and the pump system on the Flowpen looks identical to the pump system on the Hard-to-buff. only difference is is that the hard-to-buff's pump system has a black tint to it where as the Flowpen's has a white tint to it. both markers are see-through so you know your ink level.

dunno if there is any difference between the pump systems (i'd gues you'd have to actually take them apart to see) but the ink does look different. the hard-to-buff ink is a thicker ink, and the Flowpen ink seems a bit more thinner/runny.

both are good markers tho. worth every penny.


Peace.

[Seek]

sorry for the double post, but the mini Hard-to-buff isn't worth it. if you tag alot like me you are better off spending the extra $2 and go with the regular sized marker for more ink. OTR "mini" versions ink res.'s are exactly half the size of their regular versions :o .

BTW, never got any decent drips with my hard-to-buff. no drips at all in fact (supposively drippy, but maybe only with the regular sized marker) :( .


Peace.

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i get mad drips with it..u gotta pump it...and im not gettin it for the amount of ink, im refilling it anyway w/ garvey

htb ink sucks anyway

[Ketamine]

Hard to Buff SUCKS!!! Ok, so I got caught tagging (yikes... good thing I wasn't doing my name) and they made me clean it up, so they gave me this spray stuff that was in an aerosol can. I sprayed it on and the ink came RIGHT OFF, and this was on concrete too. It also comes off windows easy. Your better off getting colorful markers instead of the hard to buff shit, it wasn't worth it :(

[Tony]

anyone can tell you hard to buff isnt acctualy HARD TO BUFF.



if im going to use it, its not going to be because i think its gonna withstand even the strongest buff. its because its just nice, thick opaque black ink.

[Tony]

Originally posted by Seek@Dec 7 2004, 01:05 PM
BTW, never got any decent drips with my hard-to-buff. no drips at all in fact (supposively drippy, but maybe only with the regular sized marker) :( .
just push it down all the way when you tag, and try and write a little slower.

[the infamous one]

yeh where u want drips just push harder..tony your sig nearly made me piss myself

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

yes, with hard 2 buff ink u get crazy clean lines and u can make it drip if u want...its sorta like a pilot w/ a shittier nib and a pump system :D

[Seek]

ahh I see. I usually don't push too hard cause i'm afraid of fuckin up the nib. it's got a little bit of ink left so i'll see if I can get drips with it on my next tag.

also i agree with Tony on this one. hard-to-buff ink is not really "hard-to-buff" but is nice and thick ink that is really opaque. coloured inks/paints are nice but are usually runny and fade away fast.

any ink/paint can be buffed depending on how lazy the buffer is.


Peace.

[Havoc411]

im thinking about either picking up a Flowpen or a Hard 2 Buff. what is a better buy. i like the flowpen better cause it has more colors but i dont have a good black marker anymore. hmmm

[Jandro]

Hey, is the color metallic pink any good?, do someone have any pic of that color used on a glass or something?

[CaSoNe]

never seen metalic pink b4...im gonna make that shit for my mop it sounds ddopppee

[Ravek]

they have it on ******** i was gonna get it

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

havoc, hard 2 buff is way better...the flowpen ink is horrible and when u buy it its a little more than half full :(

[Tony]

get two birds stoned at once. black flowpen (i checked they have them in stock)

[Havoc411]

what a gyp on the flowpen fullness, i think ill get a hard 2 buff and mabey a metallic otr. ill just rack a pilot jumbo from staples

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

yes pilots are the best! my 3 favorite markers right now are:

1. pilot jumbo!!!!!!!
2. otr hat 2 buff
3. silver molotow :D

[Havoc411]

haha, you said hat 2 buff

[Havoc411]

has anyone else had trouble with ordering stuff of BS? cause i tried to order some markers lastnight and i clicked add to cart or whatever and nothing happened and then i hit it again and it went to a blank screen. did this happen to anyone else? and are there any other sites where i can pick up some OTRs?

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

ill pm a site to u i dont want to advertise any sites man..maybe theres somethin wrong with ur pc or something :D

[Havoc411]

hey thanks for those sites man, i appreciate the help

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

anytime

[Havoc411]

what the fuck, god damn pay pal is always fucking me over and i hate it. it keeps saying that there is another account with the same card number on it. my sister has that account and she cant remember the fucking password. so i cant order shit from anywhere if it uses pay pal. im so fucking angry right now i could strangle the nicest person in the world

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

do a money order..takes a bit longer but atleast ya get your stuff

[Havoc411]

yeah, i reached that conclusion a few minutes ago. i think im gonna get the 4 OTR deal on BS. its cheap and you get some decent markers

[Havoc411]

well the order is in! i will soo be the proud owner of a metallic blue OTR.060, a Hard 2 Buff, and a pink Flowpen. im gonna have a good time with those

[kyer]

did u order those 3 otrs through the marker deal?

[pogopope]

Originally posted by Havoc411@Dec 10 2004, 09:15 AM
well the order is in! i will soo be the proud owner of a metallic blue OTR.060, a Hard 2 Buff, and a pink Flowpen. im gonna have a good time with those
i love the feeling you get when they finally come in. ive been waiting since before thanksgiving for my shit to come and today i was sitting at the comp doing homework, and my mom was like "did you order something?"
i was so happy then i found out i had to work tonight :angry: o well theres always tomorro night..or tonight after work

[Havoc411]

has anyone else used the BS mailorder? cause im just wondering how long it'll take to get there if im from CT. any info would be cool

[pogopope]

it took about three weeks to get to MD, so it would probably take the same from CT (if its where i think it is..im bad with maps or knowing where states are)

[DeRiVe OnEr]

one of my Christmas presents is a bunch of OTR markers....and there was two H2B's in there and I couldnt stand not having it yet so I opened up the present very sneakily and got out one of the H2B's then rewrapped the present and put it back....and now I'm reppin with a hard 2 buff nyucka!!!....I luh dat marker :rolleyes:

[Havoc411]

nice, i should have them in a week or 2 then cause MD is more south of CT. MD is maryland, right

[Whip Lash]

When refilling an otr flowpen, should you used ink or thinned paint? Cause I am
thinking of getting a flowpen soon, only $15 CDN with shipping.

[curve]

^i got a flowpen, and realized the ink goes pretty fast. when you get control of the drips and make all your tags drip like crazy, the ink goes real fast. i had mine for a few days and i'm already half done. i've been looking into refilling mine too, and did some research online. i'm about to try to refil it with normal store bought ink like marsh and garvey. you know anything about that?

[Havoc411]

i think you can out anything into a flowpen, id just either get a new nib or wash out the old one really good if youre gonna put ink in it cause flowpens have paint in them to begin with. im not sure tho

[pogopope]

Originally posted by Havoc411@Dec 15 2004, 01:26 PM
nice, i should have them in a week or 2 then cause MD is more south of CT. MD is maryland, right
yeah md is maryland.

and thanks for getting a new pic in your sig. the last one was cool but it was messing up the screen

[**MATEO**]

i want sum otr markers B)

[Havoc411]

Originally posted by pogopope+Dec 16 2004, 01:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pogopope @ Dec 16 2004, 01:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Havoc411@Dec 15 2004, 01:26 PM
nice, i should have them in a week or 2 then cause MD is more south of CT. MD is maryland, right
yeah md is maryland.

and thanks for getting a new pic in your sig. the last one was cool but it was messing up the screen [/b][/quote]
haha, yeah. the sheer hugeness of it was starting to annoy me as well. so i opted for a smaller pic

[Tony]

Originally posted by Havoc411@Dec 16 2004, 07:54 AM
i think you can out anything into a flowpen, id just either get a new nib or wash out the old one really good if youre gonna put ink in it cause flowpens have paint in them to begin with. im not sure tho
no, flowpens have INK in the, and you should only use INK in them. dont use thinned out paint in ink markers, it sucks.

[pogopope]

if youre going to use thinned out paint youll need to take out the pump completely, and throw out the nib, and glue some eraser felt or whatever in as a new nib. after you fill it up and screw it back together put some tape around where the 2 parts screw together. if you fill it with ink or really thinned out paint this is beautifully drippy :P

["awesome"ONE]

Hmmm... Not any difference I can think of maybe then the OTR hard to buff has a lighter ink consistency, or maybe a little bigger flow system.

[sika_2002]

HAVE YOU SEEN MY LEAF


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/sika_2002/leaf.jpg


last seen : on my window sill on 23/11/04
Called : refers to the name of bert, looks green,
If found : Call me on 020 5020 5045
Reward : $0.50

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

havent seen him ill call u if i did, sika

[Seek]

Originally posted by "awesome"ONE@Dec 24 2004, 10:23 AM
Hmmm... Not any difference I can think of maybe then the OTR hard to buff has a lighter ink consistency, or maybe a little bigger flow system.
No it's the other way around. hard-to-buffs have a thicker more opaque ink than flowpens. pump system and nib is the same just flowpen ink is thinner which is why it drips so much. not too sure about what is more permanent but i'm pretty sure the hard-to-buff ink cause it would take longer to fade.



Peace.

["awesome"ONE]

yeah your probably right, I don't know why I thought hard to buff would have thinner ink. But it makes sense it would be thicker becuase it is called "hard to buff" after all.

[CHILLEN905]

otrs arent even worth tha money an hard to buffs suck jus put in leather dye or griffin ink. jus get a poster man an modifi it an it works better than most if not any store baught markers but if ya dont know how to mod or make good markers then tha otr is fine for u im make a tutorial on how to mod poster mans if ya want it pm mi

[Ume]

i havent actually used them to tag nething yet but i got a flowpen,mini hard to buff,tagster, and a .050, i got them yesterday so prolly tonight ill use em and see if there good...

[STRIFE]

today i ordered ablack .084 flowpen, it should be here 2 to 5 days i cant wait :D :D :D

[GeSuS_KRiST]

u should of ordered ink for it the ink runs out quick i have 5 flow pens (the king series and 2 regualr flow pens)

[STRIFE]

yeah i shoulda, but im broke nowadays, when i get some cash im gonna order some garvey or pilot ink and a few nibs, cuz i heard from a few people they run out fast.

[GeSuS_KRiST]

use flow pen ink for a flow pen

[Shyd...]

i might buy some soon.

[Ume]

Hey, nebody know of the Nero ink they have at the bscience store is ne good?, cuz i dont know if i wanna use the $15 on it...its the only ink they sell to canadians. <_<

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

ive been curious about nero aswell..how good is it? does it fade in the sun? its expensive n i dont want to waste my money

[STRIFE]

i heard people talkin about putting garvey in there, is there anyway that can mess up the flow?

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

im not sure i never used garvey, but once i save up enough money im putting garvey in a mini hard 2 buff....hopefully it works good :D

[GeSuS_KRiST]

man yall for it ALL backwords

but u can use it in there BUT u have to cut it your self down properly other wise it will be too see through and get buffed with alot less effort but then again u can make it can be too thick and not get the proper drippage...... like i said use flow pen in in a flow pen

also panic use hard2buff ink in your H2b that ink is beautiful i use it in alot of other markers and everything

[Havoc411]

whats soo special about the flowpen valve system? it dosent seem any different from any other marker ive used. but yeah i got my markers in and i love them, i totally destroyed the bathroom at crown theaters today cause i saw fat albert and that movie sucksed so i thought id get so writing in to make up for the waste of money.

[STRIFE]

thanks gesus :D

[tre'tre']

i bought a mini har to buff and i love it its good for taking to school and keeping it in your pocket

[Ume]

i got my full sized hard to buff today n im lovin it lots, hit up quite a bit tonight.

[DNA]

FLOWPENS ARE CLEAR!!! but i think it is esentially the same marker but with different ink and writing on the side, oh and a flowpen is clear

[Havoc411]

all OTRs except for the .050 are clear. the HtB is clear, you just gotta let it sit standing up for a while for the ink to run all the way down the sides.

[**MATEO**]

i wana buy an otr marker

[ILL]

^^^so go buy one

[Havoc411]

Originally posted by **MATEO**@Jan 6 2005, 03:14 PM
i wana buy an otr marker
use bombing science mail order if you dont have a credit card. or ask your mom to use her card and you give her the cash(mabey she'll say "no, keep your money") its not that hard to get an OTR

[Ume]

well today i was using my h2b n it like exploded, all this ink came out of it like crazy, think of a flowpen. :huh: nice clean lines n stuff, but it exploded on the first part, it looked right ugly.

[ILL]

did u get tha nib wet? cuz that happend to me befor and i think thats why

[Havoc411]

somehow pressure got built up in the ink body part thing and thats prolly why that happened. its happened to me with some homemade inks

[Ume]

no i havent got the nib wet yet...yeah my guess would be the pressure thing

[*futurestar*]

i dont think there is any difference between them other then the ink..

the flowpen ink kicks ass
and the h2b ink buffs really easily ..

they need a new name for the shit


i hate the h2b ink it sucks

i hit this power box with h2b marker and h2b ink and i went back a couple days later to check it out and it looked like it was caked on, so i wiped it and it all came off it was all dry and it was all over my hands and i wiped it off with my shirt and it was all off the power box.

anyways..
yeah get the flowpen if you are buying one

paaaccceeeeeeeeee!

[Ume]

yeah i got a flowpen, but the inks runnin low, so im using the h2b for now till i get/make more ink.

[ILL]

all my taggs i did with my h2b are still there but theres one that i wiped with my finger and only a little came off but tha rest won't wipe off as easy cuz i wiped them with my finger and nothin came off.

[Havoc411]

none of my shit i did with the HtB was able to rub off with my finger. mabey you have magic buffing fingers

[ILL]

it was only one of them.I don't know why tho maybe it has something to do with what i did it on

[KOMA TRA FXE]

all my hard to buff never cam eoff of anything, but my pink flowpen wouldnt even last up to weather. i havent tried other colours of flowpen ink yet besides purple and hat was so long ago i foget how well it workd. I think it stayed ok but not as good as the hard to buff

[Havoc411]

^hey! a new member! welcome

[KOMA TRA FXE]

thanks man

[Ume]

no way Komas here! 807 represent. B)

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

Originally posted by *futurestar*@Jan 7 2005, 03:12 PM
i dont think there is any difference between them other then the ink..

the flowpen ink kicks ass
and the h2b ink buffs really easily ..

they need a new name for the shit


i hate the h2b ink it sucks

i hit this power box with h2b marker and h2b ink and i went back a couple days later to check it out and it looked like it was caked on, so i wiped it and it all came off it was all dry and it was all over my hands and i wiped it off with my shirt and it was all off the power box.

anyways..
yeah get the flowpen if you are buying one

paaaccceeeeeeeeee!
flowpen ink is horrible fool
htb ink is a lot better....flowpen ink wont show on shit like mail boxes and dark shit...htb is is thick and opaque...will show on anything
i hate flowpens...
i also dislike htbs....
pilots are the way to go

[Havoc411]

i have yet to find a pilot anywhere and i dont wanna order one. anyone wanna trade or something?

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

hmm....i would suggest just buying one off bombing science or AP.....they are very cheap and will last very long...they have probably the cleanest lines..ever...

[Havoc411]

haha, i have no money anymore from X-mas and such. so i guess ill have to find some money or a pilot somewhere

[Ansom]

quick question, is the paint that comes with garden craft worth using.

["awesome"ONE]

I'd say the paint for garden craft is pretty good. Decos have pretty good paint also though, I'd go with those.

[Ansom]

thanks alot.

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

dude! garden crafts fuckin blow! yeah decos are great...but garden craft paint is water based acrylic bullshit! empty that shit out and fill it with some nero or some ghetto krink

[Havoc411]

i heart homemade krink

[Ansom]

yeah they def suck, but i stole em anyway. yeah i will refill it now.

[Havoc411]

i dont like my metallic blue OTR .060 for some reason. lol i always end up using my HtB or Flowpen

[hitshit89]

i jus ordered the otr molotow marker it looks sik can anyone tell me how good it is?? :ph34r:

[faoner]

Originally posted by Havoc411@Jan 9 2005, 01:33 AM
i dont like my metallic blue OTR .060 for some reason. lol i always end up using my HtB or Flowpen
yeah man, i have a mini flow and its pretty sick but i think id much rather have a HTB. They're a pretty solid black marker............man i need more money :(

[Chaos360]

whats a good tech for getting good drips with the OTR.084 and the OTR.070?

[DNA]

you cant get drips with a FLOWPEN!!!??? hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha
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ahahahahahahhahhhhhahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha h
ahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahah ha.

[Chaos360]

what about the OTR.070?

[hitshit89]

:ph34r: anybody ever use the otr-molotow marker leme know how it is?

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

its not bad...doesnt always get clean lines..dont pump it too much or else it will leak on u..thts what happened to me

[Havoc411]

alot of people think yo get drips you gotta push in the nib when your writing but thats not what your supposed to do. yoy push it down a few times upside down and get the nib nice and juicy and then you should get some decent drips

[Chaos360]

thanks

[Havoc411]

no problem

[haze519]

how much does a otr htb cost in the us....here in canada they want like $15