Philisophical Concepts

[tonedope]

aight i remember there uswed to be a thread like this a long ass time ago. post up ure philosophies an thoughts, deep shit. try to keep them original, but if its really good feel free to quote sumone.
aight ill kick it off.

"as far as im conserned there are only two types of people in this world. people who go around problems an then people who break through them."

[koper]

This is a great idea for a thread.

Having studies philosophy in depth at university i consider myself to have a pretty good grip on this shit.

Ofcourse nothing is really original as far as philospphy goes these days, most everything you hear is just someone else's concept just reworded in a different metaphor most of the time.

So, a good place to begin is cartesian doubt as far as i'm concerned:
So decarte was able to doubt himself from all of his sensory persections, simply by denying them as truisms if they had any fault in them at all. Eventually he was able to doubt the existence of everything, the entire physical world. The one thing descarte couldn't doubt was the fact that he was doubting. Therefore something existed right? At the most descarte was able to prove that he himself existed as a thinking entity, but nothing beyond that.

A great extension of that is to say that maybe i am the only real thing in the universe. It's plausible, no? Say that i am the only thing that exists, being only a conscious entity. Remember i have doubted away the physical world long before this point. So everyone i "meet" and everyone i "fuck" and everyone i "interact" with at all is completely a figment of my imagination. This is all plausible under descarte's platform. Here's the kicker. No one is able to prove to me that i am not the only thing in the universe, that i am not just making up everyone else and all their words and ideas. I guess somebody could come up to me and say "No! You arent the only living entity because i also can call myself a living entity, i also am conscious and aware of my consciousness, therefore you aren't the ONLY one. In otherwords you aren't the controller of the universe" But even this i could gauk at under my logic because it could just be another figment of my imagination. There is no way for anyone to prove to me that i am not the only thing in the universe. You could kill me. If i died and everything kept going, the world kept rotating, and people kept shopping, then that would prove that i dont own it all in my mind. However if i was dead i couldn't see that, so i can never know.

So hell maybe i am the only thing in the entire universe? Seems kinda bland that i would sit here and discuss it on a forum rather than take advantage of it and fuck playboy bunnies on my island mansion made of tranformers.

[**MATEO**]

the glass is half empty
and
the glass is half full

what do you call that?

[Feliks]

a paradox.

[fannypack uprock]

i think a thread like this is a bit too much for the BS kiddies to handle...
im sure theres a good handfull of people who could contribute something worthwhile to it but for the most part kids are just gonna spout bullshit or copy shit from websites or books.. and KOPER dont think im talking about you because im not.. im just making a statement about how i see the future of this thread going.. its a great idea for a thread but i just dont think it can happen here as well as we would like.

if i get bored enough ill divulge a bit of what ive came to upon my years of pondering things... but we'll have to see. it takes quite a bit to put it into words again..

[musicians are cowards]

"Life is ephemeral. Don't waste it looking up big words"

[Feliks]

Fanny pack don't be party pooper! I think a great way to stop the kiddies who aren't serious about this is to just ignore their comments. If they contribute something valid, then it doesn't matter as long as it's serious. I really like this thread. I'm actually taking philosophy right now and have also discussed MANY things with a friend of mine in the wee hours of the morning because we're both insomniacs. Anyway. Let's hope for the best!
ToneDope, thanks for putting up this thread. I really appreciate it.

As for what M.A.C said in the quote. I like how that relates to art.

Maybe I'm looking to much into it. But when I went to the art museum last year there was this little comb and etched into it was a tiny thing saying something like the pebbles fall, but the wood is blahb lah blah" It actually didn't sound anything like that but it was so long ago.

The point is that your brain automatically tries to put two and two together. In this case, it was what the comb had to do with the poem. It doesn't have anything to do with it. They considered it art *shrug* I guess in a way it was, but more of an art lesson. What I got from it was that art doesn't have to be what everyone thinks it is, but what you think it is and then having the ability to explain why it's art.
In relation to the quote, I like how at first you take the whole quote liteally. Of course most people wouldn't understand what ephemeral means but it's "short". So then you look at the next sentence and it tells you not to waste your "ephemeral" time on looking up big words. The quote is actually literal. I like it.

[MUSASHI]

Sometimes you'll never find what you're looking for until you've lost it...

how is one sure that red isn't blue and blue not red ,white not black or green...who knows the truth of these things ?none i say! we have only become a complacent people....

a dragonlfly hovers motionless in front of my eyes ,locusts and cicadas harmonize together making seasonal melodies as honey bees buzz in their toils for the sake of honey sweet...

nothing exists without the existence of nothing imagine if you can nothing...I say you can't and if you could then nothing would matter which is a contradiction...that's when they gave nothing a name, God...


a common thing is for the ignorant to worship what they cannot understand...I must be uncommon,for i have no desire to worship trivial things like algebra and those cool little things that women who will never marry you do...

[Alchohlics_Anonymous]

Ive also thought of all these things, and being under the influence of Mar-eh-jah-wanna is making me feel like that shits real and shit... Oh my im fucked up.

[BRAINE]

koper said what i was thinking, in better words and longer.
i didnt know decarte was the one who first recorded those types of theories though.

[fannypack uprock]

anyone interested in this shit should check out the TTC lectures on philosophy.. you can find them on the internet or you can buy them for like 300 dollars for the series.. its like maybe a weeks worth of lectures starting from the greeks to modern philosophers. good shit.

[Feliks]

I'm too poor for that.

[MUSASHI]

i didnt know decarte was the one who first recorded those types of theories though. ...

sidartha guatama...brought up some simillar things oh about 600 bc. dont know how that relates with descarte.but the buddha was an intense philosopher in my opinion

[fannypack uprock]

Originally posted by Feliks@Apr 8 2006, 08:16 PM
I'm too poor for that.
arrrgg matey! pirate it!

[FuLa]

I have thoughts...one minute I find absolute truths to things(such as creation, existence, etc.), the next second I'll find an absolute truth completely contradicting what I had thought which seemed to be very logical...I have come to the conclusion that the best answer for these questions I always ask myself(about 24/7) is silence...."just be"...I know that this probably doesn't make sence but I trust that the people in this thread are "thinkers" and can understand that words can't describe completely what goes through one person's mind...

I believe that THAT is one of the problems with society as wel: people following one man's thought which took years and years of practice and philosophizing and understanding and "being" in this person's mind....The bible is full of conclusions(don't steal, don't fuck your neighbour's wife...the list goes on) I think this can be summarized in "be yourself" and "do not rely on the external to find internal happiness"...ego, and relying in material things for happiness(this can be anything but, pretty much being a stereotypical person summarizes it pretty well(goth, yuppie, hippie, rasta, skater, etc.) these people are the furthest away from "being themselves" because they are 100% the product of another man's thoughts and the period of their time...

"salvation" is simply finding yourself in the humblest of forms in my opinion

hahah this always happens but I lose my train of thought but I hope someone can digest what I said and respond to it "smartly"...

[madsencarl]

a barber in a town shaves everyone who does not shave themselves.
who shaves the barber?

there's no answer...


i think that makes me a philospher, i'm a go write a book now

[FuLa]

^uhuh..
bump

Originally posted by FuLa@Apr 8 2006, 09:48 PM
I have thoughts...one minute I find absolute truths to things(such as creation, existence, etc.), the next second I'll find an absolute truth completely contradicting what I had thought which seemed to be very logical...I have come to the conclusion that the best answer for these questions I always ask myself(about 24/7) is silence...."just be"...I know that this probably doesn't make sence but I trust that the people in this thread are "thinkers" and can understand that words can't describe completely what goes through one person's mind...

I believe that THAT is one of the problems with society as wel: people following one man's thought which took years and years of practice and philosophizing and understanding and "being" in this person's mind....The bible is full of conclusions(don't steal, don't fuck your neighbour's wife...the list goes on) I think this can be summarized in "be yourself" and "do not rely on the external to find internal happiness"...ego, and relying in material things for happiness(this can be anything but, pretty much being a stereotypical person summarizes it pretty well(goth, yuppie, hippie, rasta, skater, etc.) these people are the furthest away from "being themselves" because they are 100% the product of another man's thoughts and the period of their time...

"salvation" is simply finding yourself in the humblest of forms in my opinion

hahah this always happens but I lose my train of thought but I hope someone can digest what I said and respond to it "smartly"...

[Tode]

Sometimes I think you have to march right in and demand your rights, even if you don't know what your rights are, or who the person is you're talking to. Then, on the way out, slam the door.

[musicians are cowards]

I'm muslim and an anarchist.

That's all the philosophy I got.

[IceKoldKilla1]

The Earth Revolves Around The Sun-Galalie Galaleo

[FuLa]

Originally posted by musicians are cowards@Apr 8 2006, 10:05 PM
I'm muslim and an anarchist.

That's all the philosophy I got.
YOU got?...

if you can summarize all your thoughts in two words which other people have thought of in the first place...its not YOUR philosphy


if you're an "anarchist" do you make your own rules and obey your own rules?...you must have a better explanation on what your beliefs are and what your actions are if your gonna say "I'm an anarchist"

[Feliks]

Originally posted by madsencarl@Apr 8 2006, 09:48 PM
a barber in a town shaves everyone who does not shave themselves.
who shaves the barber?

there's no answer...


i think that makes me a philospher, i'm a go write a book now
Dude, you just said the barber shaves anyone who doesn't shave themselves. That means that either A) he shaves himself, or B) he's bald. (the last part was a joke)

As for you being a philospher...HA.
Philosphy is ancient greek for "love of wisdom"
Pheilin= Love
Sophia= Wisdom
Pheilinsophia= philosophy :. Love of wisdom

Philosophy is Ideas, Questions, subjective interpretation and theories to name a few. The word "Philosophy" doesn't actually tell you what it encompasses, really. It's so vast. You can never answer its questions. It's just too damn hard, and if you spend your life trying to find out, you'll have overlooked another philosophy of life and in turn have wasted your life looking for a truth that doesn't exist.

Like Musicians are cowards said: "Life is ephemeral. Don't waste it looking up big words"

[musicians are cowards]

Okay, I'm a post-left anarchist, to be specific. I think that the left is completely incapable of making any change at all and that the "class-based struggle" is complete bulshit. I think that the only way to create anarchy is to focus on yourself and not society. I think that organized hierarchies are stupid, but even in anarchy, because of human nature, a "natural" hierarchy will occur anyways. So sure, I make my own rules, and follow them, as you said.

[meetermaid]

imo, anarchy is a ridiculous concept. if human nature was different than it is, and people could cooperate together without a 3rd party with power, i'd be all for it, because i hate the government, and society in general. but human nature is the way it is, and people will naturally create either a democratic or monarchaic (sp?) or tyrannic community when forced to survive, so anarchy is pretty much impossible. if there were no rules or values enforced, we'd all be at each other's throats. not like we aren't anyway, but we would be more than we are right now.


*didn't see your post, you said pretty much what i said in like 1 sentence.

[musicians are cowards]

Originally posted by meetermaid@Apr 8 2006, 10:26 PM
imo, anarchy is a ridiculous concept. if human nature was different than it is, and people could cooperate together without a 3rd party with power, i'd be all for it, because i hate the government, and society in general. but human nature is the way it is, and people will naturally create either a democratic or monarchaic (sp?) or tyrannic community when forced to survive, so anarchy is pretty much impossible. if there were no rules or values enforced, we'd all be at each other's throats. not like we aren't anyway, but we would be more than we are right now.


*didn't see your post, you said pretty much what i said in like 1 sentence.
EDIT: oops. hahaha

[MUSASHI]

I feel the secret to life is within the living aspect of life...consider how a tree grows...it doesn't set a path for itself or it's growth,it just grows...as the tree matures to the point of death .the once fleck of pollen that evolved is now a log floating down the river...the log doesn't force it's way down the river, it just floats along to the places of it's destiny...
if you are patient life will take you where you're going...

[meetermaid]

musashi, that's how i try to live my life. my mother says i'm just lazy.

[FuLa]

(this was for the first meetermaid comment)

^yeah its true...sometimes I believe "damn this world is fucked up" but at the same time...how could it be better?? I think as human beings we've done some pretty amazing shit and we've gone wherever our nature has taken us...

how could've we gone where we didn't want to go?...that would just be contradictory to ourselves...BUT I believe that we can see the same problems we find in ourselves-- in the whole world(doubt, questioning, insality!, ups and downs, etc.) and sometimes WE do not go where we would like to go...

SO...

Have we as human beings gone and are in the direction in which we would have liked to go or be in or are we just one bipolar society?...which I think is the reason for the quote "history repeats itself"...if you think about it..its like a mental disease..

[Feliks]

Originally posted by FuLa@Apr 8 2006, 09:48 PM

I believe that THAT is one of the problems with society as wel: people following one man's thought which took years and years of practice and philosophizing and understanding and "being" in this person's mind....The bible is full of conclusions(don't steal, don't fuck your neighbour's wife...the list goes on) I think this can be summarized in "be yourself" and "do not rely on the external to find internal happiness"...ego, and relying in material things for happiness(this can be anything but, pretty much being a stereotypical person summarizes it pretty well(goth, yuppie, hippie, rasta, skater, etc.) these people are the furthest away from "being themselves" because they are 100% the product of another man's thoughts and the period of their time...

"salvation" is simply finding yourself in the humblest of forms in my opinion

hahah this always happens but I lose my train of thought but I hope someone can digest what I said and respond to it "smartly"...
What you say can techincally be true, but then think. Are you not being stereotypical yourself?

By categorizing the categories of social hierarchy, you assume that each entity relies on another's thoughts and the period of their time. Are they, assuming "they" are each a thinking humane being, not "just being" themselves by choosing how to dress? Of course they are being influenced, but everything in life is influenced by something else. We all rely on something to continue our existence, i.e: the food chain.
The realist's view is that we MUST rely on the external to find the internal happiness. And by this I encompass every thing (yes that is deliberately 2 words).

For example:
I want to be happy (most people want to), so what do I do? I live, I breathe so I can live although done subconsciously and mechanically without thought. I eat so I have the energy to breathe, and participate in anything that requires energy (so from sports, down to just picking up your girlfriend and getting it on). I rely on other people and by that, it is meant their reactions to my actions. If I tell a joke, and they don't laugh, that's not going to make me happy, because I haven't satisfied their taste of humor or what-have-you.
Still with me? Good.
Necessities like food and clothing ARE material. So semi-conclusively, we can now accept that we rely on teh external to gain internal happiness. This example does indeed branch onwards, and may forever. This is why I stop here.

Now don't get me wrong, I agree that to "just be" it is essential to being your true self, but you are never, ever, ever, going to make a choice completely on your own without influence of someone or soemthing else.

I believe this is why, although we do continue (for example) fashion trends that have been started way back when, that although we dress like hippies, rastas, gangsters, goths, punks, etc. the style is constantly evolving. (Which I could elaborate more on but let's keept on topic shall we?)

"salvation in your opinion" That is just that, an opinion. I'm not trying to diss you or anything but that is all it is, and it doesn't matter the least. What does, is that you've influenced someone reading your post. They might think upon it, contemplate what you have contemplated and come to your same conclusion, or come to your same conclusion with variants.

I'm trying not to lose my train of thought but I've typed a lot already. I hope this is a smart response. I have digested what you wrote and agree as well as disagree with some of your theories.

[meetermaid]

in the like directional sense..it differs for each person i think, because in 1 way we've done some unthinkable shit; we have all this technology and all this knowledge, but what have we done with it? set foot on the moon. making food that's prepared in 1 and a half minutes. ok. in the 1600s this would've been totally amazing. i know i'm jaded just because i'm growing up in this world where nothing is impossible, but really, we really haven't done all that much that's important and great for OURSELVES as human beings, besides medical improvements. (i have like 8 different thoughts going on at the same time as always so bear with me) and here we go: is knowledge really power? we know all this shit about our bodies and the earth, and a great number of people are trying to use that knowledge to save our world that we've fucked up so badly in the physical sense, but the majority of us aren't doing fuckall, even though we KNOW what is happening and what will happen to us, because we're what i call the 'fastfood generation' (give me convinience or give me death, thank you, jello biafra.), we want everything and we want it now, regardless of the consequences.

(responding to fula)

[St Mikal]

OH SHIT!!!

you know I was actually thinking of creating a thread exactly like this...

great idea tone!!

hmm so where do we start? Allow myself to introduce myself?

MUSASHI> your philosophy is that of experience
yet it would seem to indicate you are not the master and director of your experiences.
When one of human nature's gifts is choice

Fula> your first post=very cool thought process


I gotta tell my boy Rasputin about this thread!!

Food for thought...Evolution vs. Intelligent Design


oh and anarchy...if you internalize it then its pointless because you watch others suffer while you relax? when anarchy inherently means interaction with society, the system, government and so on

[musicians are cowards]

Originally posted by St Mikal@Apr 8 2006, 10:47 PM
oh and anarchy...if you internalize it then its pointless because you watch others suffer while you relax? when anarchy inherently means interaction with society, the system, government and so on
What you have to think of, though, is how little success anarchy has had through "conventional" and boring methods such as marches, hand held signs, and gatherings. These are all expected and are predictable. They are now a part of the status quo. Everyone knows that post-Marxist jargon is off-putting because it really is a language of mere academic dispute, not a weapon capable of undermining systems of control.

[St Mikal]

Originally posted by musicians are cowards+Apr 8 2006, 10:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (musicians are cowards @ Apr 8 2006, 10:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-St Mikal@Apr 8 2006, 10:47 PM
oh and anarchy...if you internalize it then its pointless because you watch others suffer while you relax? when anarchy inherently means interaction with society, the system, government and so on
What you have to think of, though, is how little success anarchy has had through "conventional" and boring methods such as marches, hand held signs, and gatherings. These are all expected and are predictable. They are now a part of the status quo. Everyone knows that post-Marxist jargon is off-putting because it really is a language of mere academic dispute, not a weapon capable of undermining systems of control. [/b][/quote]
right, right...
society (government) has dealt with and plans for those means and even
more extreme measures and when you openly oppose the status quo
society knows right where you stand thus banding together against their
enemy. undermining the system has to bbe far more tactful and slick than
throwing bricks

[Feliks]

nuff said with the anarchy, time for a game&#33;
This is a Categorical Syllogism.

All professors of Philosophy are educated people,
All professors of Philosophy are respected members of society,
Therefore all respected members of society are educated people.

Is this a VALID or an INVALID syllogism?

[musicians are cowards]

Originally posted by St Mikal+Apr 8 2006, 11:04 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (St Mikal @ Apr 8 2006, 11:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by musicians are cowards@Apr 8 2006, 10:55 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-St Mikal@Apr 8 2006, 10:47 PM
oh and anarchy...if you internalize it then its pointless because you watch others suffer while you relax? when anarchy inherently means interaction with society, the system, government and so on
What you have to think of, though, is how little success anarchy has had through "conventional" and boring methods such as marches, hand held signs, and gatherings. These are all expected and are predictable. They are now a part of the status quo. Everyone knows that post-Marxist jargon is off-putting because it really is a language of mere academic dispute, not a weapon capable of undermining systems of control.
undermining the system has to bbe far more tactful and slick than throwing bricks [/b][/quote]
Of course.

[meetermaid]

invalid. proffesors of philosophy only represent a fraction of respected members of society. society values much more than educated people

[AoAssis]

invalid beacuse Proffesors of Philosophy arent the only ones who are respected, they are just one of the many people who are respected

[musicians are cowards]

Originally posted by Feliks@Apr 8 2006, 11:14 PM
nuff said with the anarchy, time for a game&#33;
This is a Categorical Syllogism.

All professors of Philosophy are educated people,
All professors of Philosophy are respected members of society,
Therefore all respected members of society are educated people.

Is this a VALID or an INVALID syllogism?
Invalid.

[Feliks]

Very good everyone&#33;
A+&#33;
Want another one?

[meetermaid]

yes please teacher

[St Mikal]

highly invalid

and no

[Feliks]

Some m are p,
Some s are not p,
THerefore, Some s are not p.

[Feliks]

Oh okay sorry, then disregard that next syllogysm.

as for continuing the philosophical discussion.
Does anyone "tree branch" their thoughts?

[FuLa]

I haven&#39;t but I really should...after writing my first post here...I was able to explain it in words to my father what I thought(...for the first time...)which I&#39;m never able to because I always end up in "damn I forgot what I was thinking about" or "I&#39;m not sure how to say what I mean" hehehe...but in a way I like the fact that my thoughts dissappear and I re-learn my things and not see them as facts and maybe one day running out of ideas&#33;....

[Feliks]

OMg fula, I put effort into my reply to your first post, you better make a response or I might eb forced to whoop your ass.

[FuLa]

hahah I will but tomorrow....I ended up talking about the saaaame stuff w/ my dad and I"m kinda worn out also taking care of 13 6 y/o kids was really exhausting in a b-day this afternoon...I will :D

[Feliks]

If you don&#39;t... *shakes fist*
It would be kind of emabrrassing to get your ass handed to you by a woman.

[St Mikal]

An idea to get live with Evolution or Intelligent Design?

pretty crazy documentary called unlocking the mystery of life

on a side note put more graff vids on limewire&#33;&#33;

[Mute1]

Intelligent design is bullshit. Of course life is planned out, designed, but not by a thinking mind like ourself. Its something deeper then that, more holistic. A form of intelligence no doubt but nothing like our conscious minds, much much more complex and objective.

[Feliks]

what&#39;s your view on it mikal?

[Alyte]

Originally posted by Feliks@Apr 8 2006, 10:45 PM
I want to be happy (most people want to)
i hate people like that.
but really, its all sooo pointless and superficial.

[FaultO]

intelligent design can suck my anus...

i want to visit the creationist museum in tennessee or whereever and get a picture of me with a dude riding a dinosaur like it&#39;s a donkey.

[St Mikal]

mute> cool, cool


Feliks> Im wrestling with it myself...I feel ID is bullshit but
I dont entirely know. and evolution isnt all together sound

so we again reach the chicken and the egg question


wait till rasputin gets home hes been teaching me alot


what do you (all of you) think?

[FaultO]

the bible should be in the fiction section.

[St Mikal]

Originally posted by FaultO@Apr 9 2006, 12:27 AM
the bible should be in the fiction section.
i agree but even among creationists there is alot of disagreement

some think the bible is literal truth


others think its like ikea instructions just a general guide book

[Feliks]

First mikal, tell me waht intelligent design means, tehn I&#39;ll edit and tell you waht my view is.
Edit: Okay so given the information you&#39;ve supplied me with. I believe it&#39;s bullshit. I&#39;m a realist and yet in some cases I contradict myself (like this one) Like the fact that I believe in astral projection but I do not believe in ID. I think it&#39;s bullshit. completely. This world is science with only a minimal % of surrealism if that what you&#39;d like to call it.

Evolution is my belief. We wouldn&#39;t be anywhere if it wasn&#39;t for us taking other&#39;s theories and applying them with our own.

Anyway, I can&#39;t really elaborate cuz I decided to start my own par-tay.

[Mute1]

Originally posted by Alyte+Apr 9 2006, 12:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Alyte &#064; Apr 9 2006, 12:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Feliks@Apr 8 2006, 10:45 PM
I want to be happy (most people want to)
i hate people like that.
but really, its all sooo pointless and superficial. [/b][/quote]
Why? you live, you die. All you can hope for is to enjoy that short time u have to exist....some will strive to leave a lasting mark or change, but just wanting to be happy is not superficial at all, its the most any of us can hope for really.

and mikal, I disagree, evolution as a concept is 100% sound. Just because there are gaps in our understanding of it doesn&#39;t mean its not true. Just look at the way life works, everything grows, changes, evolves. Thats the way reality works, gradual changes of adaption with a goal of bettering reality. its reflected in everything in life, from the evolution of our society and species, to geological shit etc. I think the universe is basically at the core one single formula or series of formulas that make for exponential growth. Nothing is planned out or preconceived, its like a computer program that has the basic roots to program itself as it goes along.

Just because something appears programmed or designed by conscious minds to US doesn&#39;t mean it is at all. Let&#39;s not forget, the universe created us. We are adapted to the way the universe works, not the other way around. We get our ideas of structure and design from nature itself and we copy them. Then people turn around and say "well i see elements in nature that appear designed like machines that humans make, so this must mean there is a conscious mind that designed these things. Its totally ass backwards.

[St Mikal]

shit thats a tall order its alot of stuff

but essentially it is the concept that things in life are too complex and too orderly to have been accidentally created by say evolution (i.e. natural causes)...this suggests that there is an order to life and nature set up by some sort of intelligent designer (God, Gods)

its facets are:
- irreducable (sp) complexity
- information systems
- specifed complexity

[Mute1]

but essentially it is the concept that things in life are too complex and too orderly to have been accidentally created by say evolution
Who are we to make a judgement on what the universe is and is not capable of? We don&#39;t know shit man.

Evolution is not accidental. Of course there is rule and order to life, like the laws of physics for instance. But why must they have been created by a god? Why can&#39;t they simply exist as part of a more holistic form of intelligence that lacks consciousness or a "person" behind that intelligence? It&#39;s just another of mankind&#39;s incessent need to anthromorphize everything we come into contact with to better understand it. We call nature mother nature for instance, satan represents evil, we have the man in the moon, and the big one - god. God is just the universe anthropomorphized. But this is destructive when you start actually believing this personalized god exists and crusading against other people who have different beliefs. The assumption that order exists and therefore there must be a sentient mind behind it is a total fallacy wrought from an inability to relate to that which is not directly like ourselves. After all, our only reality really is inside our own heads, and people have a hard time wrapping their head around a form of intelligence that is so different from their own.

As for irreductible complexity, it&#39;s simply not true. We have tons and tons of evidence of organisms evolving in ways that defy this. It&#39;s bullshit. For those who dont know it basically means that an organism, say us, couldn&#39;t function without certain parts of the system and so it could not have evolved but must have been created all at once. It&#39;s just bullshit that stems from simplistic (and flawed) reasoning and the fossil record clearly refutes this.

[Grigory Rasputin]

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[Feliks]

define intelligent, Rasputin. INtelligence by our standards are uncompared because we cannot compare our views with any other entity except ourselves (humans)

[Grigory Rasputin]

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[Mute1]

Shit I don&#39;t know, like I said, just because humans haven&#39;t figured it all out doesn&#39;t mean it&#39;s not true. It&#39;s pretty obvious if you look at the history of earth that evolution exists. But evolution doesnt have anything to do with the origin of life does it. But why a god just like us? Why is that the only valid option? It&#39;s the only one people can understand. I think theres something deeper to reality, and thats where life stemmed from originally. Some kind of force or system...theres no need to throw in a humanized creator in the mix.

After all, if the creator had to "program" or design the universe, that means he must already reside on a plane of reality with it&#39;s own rules and laws to build the universe into. Like how a programmer needs an operating system to design their programs. So where did that level of reality come from? Another intelligent creator? When does it stop? Sooner or later, life had to have come from "nothing" for lack of a better term. It&#39;s not really nothing, we just don&#39;t have anywhere near the knowledge to comprehend it.

And ya, I already said intelligence in a different form is responsible. Not a thinking mind like our own but an intelligence of systems if u will. The problem is people have such a hard time accepting that intelligence can arise without a concious, critical thought process like we have. But lets not forget, nature gave us this intelligence. What we have is simply a focused lens of intelligence. Nature&#39;s intelligence bestowed upon living creatures to aid in survival.

[Feliks]

RASPUTIN> Alright, I can accept that, it&#39;s just that as soon as someone mentions god, they automatically think "religious", It&#39;s fucking bullshit. I don&#39;t believe in god in that religious sense, but in the sense that yes a god (note the lower case g) is a higher being wh created us. However, there is scientific proof that we have evolved from amoeba, crawled to land, developed into primates, then human beings.
What say you?

[fannypack uprock]

heres the deal.

nothing is completely separate.

even molecules are a rough estimation (a cloud if you will)

creationism is bullshit.

classical evolution is bullshit.

intelligent intervention mixed with evolution.

even thoughts arent completely separate from the rest of the world.

all is one. on a more literal level than you would imagine.

a lot of shit doesnt make sense.. because its not suppsed to... atleast not to us. our brain capacities are limited. for a reason. theres ways to surpass the limitation. most of us will never discover it.

there will be a push towards &#39;spiritual&#39; evolution soon. no one will ever be the same. a lot wont make it through the transition.

ill stop before everyone stops talking to me cause they think im crazy. but i do a lot of thinking. i dont give a lot of explination behind my claims because quite frankly right now i dont care to. good luck.

[Grigory Rasputin]

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[Feliks]

I&#39;m too drunk for this right now. I might post in a bit :lol:

[vegimite on toast]

am i the only one who lives each day as it comes and doesn&#39;t care about this stuff too much?

[fannypack uprock]

god is a creation of the people. religion is made to control the masses. not to say that all religious scripture is bullshit.. but most religions are designed a certain way for a reason.

[Feliks]

vegimite, Iit seems obvious to me that you aren&#39;t the only one, but some people can&#39;t help but think about this shit, like insomniacs (aka: me)

[Grigory Rasputin]

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[vegimite on toast]

i heard a quote somewhere about religion, i liked it

"Perhaps blessed are they who do not dwell on what may have happened in the past or look towards some glorious afterlife, but instead simply treasure each day of the present"

thats pretty much my beliefs right there in one sentence

[fannypack uprock]

Originally posted by vegimite on toast@Apr 9 2006, 12:48 AM
am i the only one who lives each day as it comes and doesn&#39;t care about this stuff too much?
no not at all vegi. i dont think most people bother with this sort of thing these days. its sort of a lost art. or a lost waste of time.. depends on which direction you take it. ;)

[Grigory Rasputin]

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[fannypack uprock]

Originally posted by vegimite on toast@Apr 9 2006, 12:55 AM
i heard a quote somewhere about religion, i liked it

"Perhaps blessed are they who do not dwell on what may have happened in the past or look towards some glorious afterlife, but instead simply treasure each day of the present"

thats pretty much my beliefs right there in one sentence
and even in a philisophical point of view theres something to be said about that sort of view. it sort of follows the ignorance is bliss vein to a certain degree.. not that thats entirely a bad thing. for a lot of people it is a better path to choose to just live life and let life live. but my brain wont let it stay at that. sometimes i wish it would but im far from that. i probably would be happier if i could but i dont know if i would trade it for the world.

[Feliks]

welcome to philosophy.

[vegimite on toast]

^^^Nihilism or existentialism perhaps

i wouldnt give it a name, i call it me

[Grigory Rasputin]

Originally posted by fannypack uprock+Apr 9 2006, 01:57 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fannypack uprock @ Apr 9 2006, 01:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-vegimite on toast@Apr 9 2006, 12:48 AM
am i the only one who lives each day as it comes and doesn&#39;t care about this stuff too much?
no not at all vegi. i dont think most people bother with this sort of thing these days. its sort of a lost art. or a lost waste of time.. depends on which direction you take it. ;) [/b][/quote]
no way bro...this ties into everything we do no matter how remote or general
life is full of interconnected peices and philosophy and similar schools of thought are in my "peices"

[fannypack uprock]

people interested in this thread would also be interested in this book called &#39;the celestine prophecy&#39; check it out if youre really into this sort of thing its more set like a novel than a dry philosophy text but its still got some very impactful writings in it. give it a shot. its not too preachy, not to new agey. some good stuff.

[vegimite on toast]

i didnt say dont think about it AT ALL, i said just not much. it seems the only times i think about the higher stuff is when the nights winding down with the buzz of whatever drug im doing

[fannypack uprock]

life IS interconnected pieces. period.

[Grigory Rasputin]

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[fannypack uprock]

Originally posted by vegimite on toast@Apr 9 2006, 01:03 AM
i didnt say dont think about it AT ALL, i said just not much. it seems the only times i think about the higher stuff is when the nights winding down with the buzz of whatever drug im doing
yeah i hear ya vegi. thinking about it too much can cause some people to kinda cross the line into a bit of insanity. it definately takes a different kind of person to devote a whole lot of time into thought like this... since its all so abstract in a certain sense youre kinda on your own as far as having an anchor to hold on to (once you get deep enough into it)

[Mute1]

Originally posted by Grigory Rasputin@Apr 9 2006, 01:38 AM
Mikal said he&#39;d be back...handle bizz...


Fe> intelligence as in some organization look at bacterial flagelium they are said to be the most efficient machines. we didnt percieve that it&#39;s observable. we played no role in their structure or design yet they are more efficient than any machine "man" (or woman) can build...they are irreducably complex take away one part and it fails to work

Mute> rigt evo does exist but... but if this designer can create at some point it had to be ex nihilo and this is the crazy part

just for the record there is going to be no answer pro or contra either side...(I actually teach biological philosophy at a college...thats how I know St Mik)

im merely just explaining both sides. im in the middle, do i personally believe in ID?
no because it is essentially a leap of faith from observing design to a designer

but Darwinian evo is not in any way 100% anymore

Fe> right evolution did occur but travel back to the first creature...what could it have evolved from

classically there were supposed two origins of life matter and energy but ID is suggesting intelligence as a third cause


and Fe> its the nutty religious types that want to suppose that this intelligence is Christianity&#39;s G O D
Yeah i totally agree with you.

Also, I agree that besides matter and energy, there is intelligence. But it is not embodied in a designer, it&#39;s just an ingrediant in the system.

as for whether or not you like to think about this stuff, why not? Why not sit and think about this shit for a while instead of watching tv or whatever meaningless activity you would be doin anyways. You will its fulfilling and satisfying to at least get somewhat of a grip on reality, a feeling that you are at least beginning to understand our place in all this shit, even if you never fully do. Then again for some people this kind of thought is impossible. They are just way too confined and isolated in human culture, without the ability to grasp higher levels of consciousness. Most people take it all , life universe the planet, for granted.

[vegimite on toast]

okay guys, your all obviously got higher intellects, ill leave my opinions out of this thread, you guys continue

[Grigory Rasputin]

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[Mute1]

What opinions? The opinion that we shouldn&#39;t care about any of this? Please...theres nothing worse then willful ignorance.

I don&#39;t think im of higher intellect then you at all and I didn&#39;t say that. You can philosophize and still enjoy life each and every day, infact it&#39;ll probably help you enjoy life more.

[vegimite on toast]

Originally posted by Grigory Rasputin+Apr 9 2006, 05:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Grigory Rasputin &#064; Apr 9 2006, 05:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-vegimite on toast@Apr 9 2006, 02:01 AM

^^^Nihilism or existentialism perhaps

i wouldnt give it a name, i call it me
not to be condescending but do you know what those mean?

they are virtually what you said in varying degrees [/b][/quote]
and i didn&#39;t say that everything is unexplainable, it just hasn&#39;t been explained yet...will it ever be?

sorry for not adhering to your beliefs, but its obvious that whatever i say will be countered by you because you dont see life as i do. if you want to try and prove how i live as wrong and try and make me look like an idiot, go ahead, i was just giving my opinion


i think ive thrown myself in the deep end of this thread, im drowning, maybe this stuff IS to much for me

[vegimite on toast]

Originally posted by Mute1@Apr 9 2006, 05:11 PM
What opinions? The opinion that we shouldn&#39;t care about any of this? Please...theres nothing worse then willful ignorance.

I don&#39;t think im of higher intellect then you at all and I didn&#39;t say that. You can philosophize and still enjoy life each and every day, infact it&#39;ll probably help you enjoy life more.
i wasn&#39;t saying that about you, you&#39;re fine with me

[Grigory Rasputin]

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[vegimite on toast]

ill just say this again

i think ive thrown myself in the deep end of this thread, im drowning, maybe this stuff IS to much for me

[Mute1]

ok veg thats cool.

whats really tripped out is thinkin bout all the other millions of planets that are most definitly teeming with life just like ours. Believe it or not, they are out there, happening right now. Fucked up situations and lands with alien beings going on everywhere in the universe as we speak. Scary how isolated we are.

[Feliks]

Originally posted by Mute1@Apr 9 2006, 02:11 AM
What opinions? The opinion that we shouldn&#39;t care about any of this? Please...theres nothing worse then willful ignorance.

I don&#39;t think im of higher intellect then you at all and I didn&#39;t say that. You can philosophize and still enjoy life each and every day, infact it&#39;ll probably help you enjoy life more.
Willfull ignorance? Come on. Ignorance is bliss. I mean, I&#39;m not admittng to comelete ignroance and turning a blind eye to a problem or anything that Idon&#39;t agree with, but you have to admit. The quote holds truth. If I was ignorant. I&#39;d be QUITE happy. As it is. I am not.

[Grigory Rasputin]

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[Feliks]

Have a good night, glad you contributed something actually smart to this thread, hopefully idiots won&#39;t infect this one.

[FuLa]

I found a little strengh to reply to Feliks&#33;..heheh I just needed to watch TV for a littlebit..


What you say can techincally be true, but then think. Are you not being stereotypical yourself?

oh yeah...I mean, I love art, I love graffiti, music, computers, etc. which are things which wouldn&#39;t exist if men lived like plants contemplating how beautiful it is to "just be themselves" but I&#39;m not saying that I can&#39;t live in total happiness without these things(they are extras which I&#39;m willing to "leave behind" and I aknowledge I have them, unlike other people who say THEY ARE THEMSELVES by being a goth, rasta, ganster, etc.)...Rastas can live perfectly fullfilled and happy without dreadlocks and smoking weed those are all choices...happiness is something internal, not something that depends on the external which is what I think one of the big misconseptions in this world.



By categorizing the categories of social hierarchy, you assume that each entity relies on another&#39;s thoughts and the period of their time. Are they, assuming "they" are each a thinking humane being, not "just being" themselves by choosing how to dress? Of course they are being influenced, but everything in life is influenced by something else. We all rely on something to continue our existence, i.e: the food chain.

I do not believe that a person can be born a goth, rasta, etc...its something one chooses...I Honestly believe that WE ARE NOT OURSELVES if we are following some one else&#39;s thoughts...ex:
If the whole world wears blue shoes ONLY and doesn&#39;t question this idea or "who thought about it?" I would be wearing blue shoes as well...so does this mean that blue shoes are the way to "be"? because it doesn&#39;t provoke thought? I don&#39;t think so...(exageration:)I believe that the closest people in this world to "being themselves" are lost somewhere meditating in the forrest naked away from civilization eating very little, etc. etc...I guess kinda like Nirvana to the extreme...They have EVERY answer one needs to know and if you think about it, a person in this state can cross out every rule that every religion states...almost crossing into the Idea of Adam and Eve but what "fucked up" adam and eve? temptation I guess but now that just jumps into "what is it that separated us from animals in the first place?"



The realist&#39;s view is that we MUST rely on the external to find the internal happiness. And by this I encompass every thing (yes that is deliberately 2 words).

For example:
I want to be happy (most people want to), so what do I do? I live, I breathe so I can live although done subconsciously and mechanically without thought. I eat so I have the energy to breathe, and participate in anything that requires energy (so from sports, down to just picking up your girlfriend and getting it on). I rely on other people and by that, it is meant their reactions to my actions. If I tell a joke, and they don&#39;t laugh, that&#39;s not going to make me happy, because I haven&#39;t satisfied their taste of humor or what-have-you.

In a way I believe that everything we do is for personal satisfaction...why would you want to tell a joke in the first place? obviously to make people laugh and in a way feel accomplished and "stimulate" WHO KNOWS some part in your brain which makes you feel good...you don&#39;t know what these people are feeling at the same level you are feeling this satisfaction... therefore you relied on other people&#39;s laughs to give YOU satisfaction(again something external(their laughs) to achieve something internal(your satisfaction))


My basic point is that you can reach this satisfacion(or maybe not even need it) which is encapsuled by what I&#39;m calling "being yourself&#33;" and you woudn&#39;t even need to tell a joke...



Still with me? Good.
Necessities like food and clothing ARE material. So semi-conclusively, we can now accept that we rely on teh external to gain internal happiness. This example does indeed branch onwards, and may forever. This is why I stop here.

Now don&#39;t get me wrong, I agree that to "just be" it is essential to being your true self, but you are never, ever, ever, going to make a choice completely on your own without influence of someone or soemthing else.

I believe that one can see everything from a perspective, even death or EVERYTHING...Its harder when you live "glued" to earth&#39;s stereotypes with your lfestyle or your actions ex:
crying in a funeral...why do people cry??
if you don&#39;t cry people&#39;ll think your a fucking bastard and you might say "losing someone you love is terrible&#33;" but technically speaking the fact because why you are crying is because you were attached to this person...then again, relying on something external for some sort of satisfaction that you had which you won&#39;t have anymore&#33;...if it was your distant cousin which you saw once..people won&#39;t think you&#39;re a fucking asshole for not crying in his funeral..

unless you want to make a absolute truth and include the word "love" in there I think one can see the human being as a very selfish being...



I believe this is why, although we do continue (for example) fashion trends that have been started way back when, that although we dress like hippies, rastas, gangsters, goths, punks, etc. the style is constantly evolving. (Which I could elaborate more on but let&#39;s keept on topic shall we?)

"salvation in your opinion" That is just that, an opinion. I&#39;m not trying to diss you or anything but that is all it is, and it doesn&#39;t matter the least. What does, is that you&#39;ve influenced someone reading your post. They might think upon it, contemplate what you have contemplated and come to your same conclusion, or come to your same conclusion with variants.

I&#39;m trying not to lose my train of thought but I&#39;ve typed a lot already. I hope this is a smart response. I have digested what you wrote and agree as well as disagree with some of your theories.

^i&#39;m not replying to that heheh, its just the leftover...I"m kinda tired...but when you read what I said you might think "damn, this is one damn self-centered SELFISH cold ass motherfucker&#33;(or his beliefs are)"
but to what point can&#39;t we all be called that considering the perspective I just gave?
it can also be interpreted into: we are all connected in some sort of way(or the group of people we are with) and we "are ourselves&#33;" and that human nature requires this "materialism or external satisfacion" and that we all are subconciously aknowledging this and therefore we have progressed into the civilization we are today...
but i&#39;ll tell you that civilization today seems way more "disturbed" and corrupted and than civilization even 100 years ago when the technology hadn&#39;t boosted like it has in these few years...


sorry if Im not too clear...I speak spanish and it make it kinda hard.. :P (excuses)

[FuLa]

*** and to what point haven&#39;t I just boosted my ego by posting something which I think "is relatively smart" and achieveing the same satisfaction which I&#39;m talking about or "am against"?

[Feliks]

Lol, good for you spiccy. Don&#39;t worry though, I&#39;ll be up and at it tomorrow. You&#39;ll have plenty to respond to then&#33;

[*~ANZIO~*]

i fucked up tonite..
i got drunk and fucked this chick and she was eh-eh.
when i cuda been at this party with this girl..(woo&#33;) but this other party was broken up when my friend castro got his nose split open in a fight. he&#39;s still in the hospital but it fucked up my nite. relate?

[Feliks]

Is this philosophical in any way?

[it-cant-rain-all-the-timelalala]

what a great thread&#33;

where are the dialectics?

[Feliks]

what dialects....

[it-cant-rain-all-the-timelalala]

the evolution,
are you only here to convince people

[The 5th one]

there are two words for the world today...discrimination and greed. that is the root of all problems today&#33;

also, you fill a jar with rocks up to the top. you ask...is it full?,,,,,,,everyone agrees it is.

however you then add smaller stones into the jar and of course they fit right into the gaps........so now again you ask.....is it full now?
and everyone laughs and says yes.

but again, you add something else....sand&#33; this fills up in the even smaller gaps. and now you can say the jar is full&#33;

if you put the sand in first, the big rocks and the smaller stones will not fit in.

the big rocks are the special people in life, put them in first, and then the smaller stones which will be things such as your house and car, and necessities, then add the sand which is all those selfish things we want as humans.

put the rocks first and everything else will fit into place. ;)

[FuLa]

so how do you think we have built our civlilizatin today...putting in the big rocks first or putting the sand in first?

[Feliks]

You know what, if you want to get technical: How big is the jar? Can we empty it and refill it so we can correct our mistakes? 5th, your jar story was good. YOu see our world as a microcosm of that jar. Are we filling it with rocks, sand, or pebbles first? We won&#39;t know will we? Becuase I think that when you reach the top of the jar it&#39;s the earth&#39;s conclusion. I don&#39;t know if I&#39;m makign sense....

UNless you were talking about filling the holes....in which case disregard the above.

[The 5th one]

size of the jar does not matter, you still wont fit it all in if you add sand fisrt.

emptying it and refilling depends on other people- the rocks, whether they have your trust and forgive whatever mistakes you have made.

its all about priorities and being unselfish.

[FuLa]

But...we can also fill in the jar however we want and when we reach the top...shake the jar and let everything settle down and arrive to the same....there will be extra space but we can fill this section in correctly next time..

I think thats what we&#39;re doing...we&#39;re close to achieving "perfection" (materialistic-wise-externally) I mean..if your knee hurts you can run to the store and get it fixed..cancer, aids..etc... we&#39;re not necessarily THERE yet but we&#39;er almost on the point of saying "damn, we have everything we need...why aren&#39;t we happy?" and then focus on this "internal growth" that we missed out on and making it fit in with the "materialisitc" sence of what I"m saying(shaking the jar)...

[The 5th one]

you can also add water, if you think about it, but not too much,but i&#39;ll let you figure out what aspect of life that is.

&#39;shaking it&#39; does not help. thats like making excuses for making wrong decisions in putting materialistic things first before important, special people in your life.

[FuLa]

yeah...but lets look at things realistically...we are not a perfect civilization...just comparing the US to Africa could tell you that we do not think of our neighbors and we&#39;re materialistic, egocentric, etc....what yu&#39;re saying is asuming were some "perfect, beutiful" race...but the results are pretty clear and we&#39;re definitely not... but I think we&#39;ve done pretty good compared to how we could be

[force]

The future holds nothing but memories...

from one of them art crime things....

[The 5th one]

well i wasnt implying we are a beautiful race when i first said the worlds problems are summarised in 2 words- greed and discrimination.

i dont think we&#39;ve done well.....andwe&#39;re just getting worse unfortantely, but its true.

[Mute1]

Originally posted by The 5th one@Apr 9 2006, 03:33 PM
there are two words for the world today...discrimination and greed. that is the root of all problems today&#33;

also, you fill a jar with rocks up to the top. you ask...is it full?,,,,,,,everyone agrees it is.

however you then add smaller stones into the jar and of course they fit right into the gaps........so now again you ask.....is it full now?
and everyone laughs and says yes.

but again, you add something else....sand&#33; this fills up in the even smaller gaps. and now you can say the jar is full&#33;

if you put the sand in first, the big rocks and the smaller stones will not fit in.

the big rocks are the special people in life, put them in first, and then the smaller stones which will be things such as your house and car, and necessities, then add the sand which is all those selfish things we want as humans.

put the rocks first and everything else will fit into place. ;)
Unfortunatly, clever little proverbs like that don&#39;t often translate into real life.

It&#39;s meaningless.

[FuLa]

(replying to the post before Mute1) why?? imagine being in the times of the roman empire

Nero "fiddled while rome burned" he burned rome "just because"
not to mention how many people he murdured, etc...

today we have 100% of the things that people in those days could have ever wanted and we have ADVANCED tremendously...


are we happy?...well I&#39;m guessing you can represent one of the people that is not happy...so NO, we&#39;re not happy

happiness or "being" is something that DOES NOT depend on the outside world and that&#39;s the problem nowadays that EVERYBODY lives depending on the outside world. and doesn&#39;t look "inside" for the answers.

[The 5th one]

not me. i dont dpened on the world much. bu we cant help it sometimes. but think in 200 years time someone else will say, &#39;look how much we&#39;ve advanced and we&#39;re still not happy&#39;.

we can never make this world perfect, all we can do is try and live the happiest we can by putting people we love first instead of the materailistic advances of our selfish world.

also, ,my answers lie in my faith in god- but thats a different story.

[E-Terror]

i live for myself, end of story.

[The 5th one]

which= the destruction of the world and one of the words i was saying to start with &#39;greed&#39; .

[FuLa]

I do not "believe" in the God from the bible...but my "conclusions" most of the time are VERY similar to what the bible says literally...which is basically "do not rely on the outside world for inner peace" I think that to understand the bible one must understand WHERE the capital sins come from, the commandments, etc....and I think its pretty clear.

[SiMpUhL]

scientologists are dumbasses, and thinking too much about stupid stuff can make u go crazy....

^^true sotry

[E-Terror]

how?


i think if everyone lived their life by their oen code of ethichs (within reason and within legal parameters, so not like, rapeing people cause they think its right) things would be run smoother cause people would be alot more calm and laidback, kinda like the early years of this country before shit got all corrupt

[E-Terror]

my previous statement was aimed at pams last post

[FuLa]

Originally posted by SiMpUhL@Apr 9 2006, 06:02 PM
scientologists are dumbasses, and thinking too much about stupid stuff can make u go crazy....

^^true sotry
I always hear about scientologists and tom cruise and shit...but what are their beliefs??...why are they seen as fucking evil and crazy?? I wanna know&#33;

[The 5th one]

well i think that would be alright, but not good enough really.

but i didnt fully comprehend your meaning when you said you live life for yourself. i took a different approach on what you said.

&#39;calm and laid back&#39; doesnt exist in this world. not even in the early years.

[Ume]

Originally posted by FuLa+Apr 9 2006, 07:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FuLa @ Apr 9 2006, 07:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SiMpUhL@Apr 9 2006, 06:02 PM
scientologists are dumbasses, and thinking too much about stupid stuff can make u go crazy....

^^true sotry
I always hear about scientologists and tom cruise and shit...but what are their beliefs??...why are they seen as fucking evil and crazy?? I wanna know&#33; [/b][/quote]

The word Scientology literally means "the study of truth." It comes from the Latin word "scio" meaning "knowing in the fullest sense of the word" and the Greek word "logos" meaning "study of."

Scientology is the study and handling of the spirit in relationship to itself, others and all of life. The Scientology religion comprises a body of knowledge extending from certain fundamental truths. Prime among these:

Man is an immortal, spiritual being. His experience extends well beyond a single lifetime. His capabilities are unlimited, even if not presently realized — and those capabilities can be realized. He is able to not only solve his own problems, accomplish his goals and gain lasting happiness, but also achieve new, higher states of awareness and ability.

In Scientology no one is asked to accept anything as belief or on faith. That which is true for you is what you have observed to be true. An individual discovers for himself that Scientology works by personally applying its principles and observing or experiencing results.

Through Scientology, people all over the world are achieving the long-sought goal of true spiritual release and freedom.

[The 5th one]

&#39;&#39;He is able to not only solve his own problems, accomplish his goals and gain lasting happiness, but also achieve new, higher states of awareness and ability.&#39;&#39;

i dont believe in scientology.

[Ume]

i don&#39;t believe in any kind of religion, i don&#39;t get how anyone can either.

[E-Terror]

yes it most certianly does

people jsut arent willing to do what it takes to be peaceful and calm.

you just gotta stop worrying about stupid shit. personally, i just do what i gotta do and wait for things to play themselves out. and as long as i know i did what i had to, im fine with whatever the outcome

[The 5th one]

well thats your choice and decision.

night.

[kongo]

Originally posted by E&#045;Terror@Apr 9 2006, 05:56 PM
i live for myself, end of story.
when you develop relationships n friendships you cant live for your self, although i do agree with ya, fuck everyone else, i want fun

[The 5th one]

oh- hey kongo. you alright.

[FuLa]

I think life is beautiful... that&#39;s my religion..observing, learning..being...everything

*

at the moment&#33;

[kongo]

Originally posted by The 5th one@Apr 9 2006, 06:15 PM
oh- hey kongo. you alright.
no not really

[skrooeapatape]

Im in love with falsity not truth while holding A realist attitude to generalize (which is obvious in A way) i wish i can spit my original theories (theorise that i dont think ive heard of others saying them) but find way to copyright them better than mailling first.. lshtg

[Alyte]

Originally posted by Mute1+Apr 9 2006, 12:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mute1 @ Apr 9 2006, 12:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Alyte@Apr 9 2006, 12:20 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Feliks@Apr 8 2006, 10:45 PM
I want to be happy (most people want to)
i hate people like that.
but really, its all sooo pointless and superficial.
Why? you live, you die. All you can hope for is to enjoy that short time u have to exist....some will strive to leave a lasting mark or change, but just wanting to be happy is not superficial at all, its the most any of us can hope for really.

and mikal, I disagree, evolution as a concept is 100% sound. Just because there are gaps in our understanding of it doesn&#39;t mean its not true. [/b][/quote]
exactly. you live, you die. but you cant deny that theres always a general interest in finding "something else", otherwise there wouldnt be a philosophy thread on bombing science. so then, if you&#39;re just living to be happy, and you know its gonna run out eventually, it&#39;d be better just to "blow out the candle", since all men&#39;s destiny on earth is the same.
say theres two guys, wasting some time of their day. they both watch TV for an hour in the morning and becuase of that, they will be late for work. the one guy arrives at work and theres consequences that happen...but not severe...dont worry..and the other guy gets hit by a semi. and dies. i dont really know what im talking about anymore.... ummm everything udner he sun is meaningless.

the same thing could be said about creation, too.

[Alyte]

Originally posted by The 5th one@Apr 9 2006, 05:54 PM

we can never make this world perfect, all we can do is try and live the happiest we can...

also, ,my answers lie in my faith in god- but thats a different story.
thats what the baby boomers and all the other modernists tried doing. now they&#39;re medicating the post-modernists with prozac and such. funny.

" it is better to mourn than to dance because a sad face is good for the heart"

i hate it when people try to sticky-note happiness to God. go read ecclisiastes.

[SiMpUhL]

Originally posted by FuLa+Apr 9 2006, 06:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FuLa @ Apr 9 2006, 06:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SiMpUhL@Apr 9 2006, 06:02 PM
scientologists are dumbasses, and thinking too much about stupid stuff can make u go crazy....

^^true sotry
I always hear about scientologists and tom cruise and shit...but what are their beliefs??...why are they seen as fucking evil and crazy?? I wanna know&#33; [/b][/quote]
basically its the belief that aliens, did shit on earth before humans ever existed.....it a bunch of bull

[Ume]

Originally posted by SiMpUhL@Apr 9 2006, 10:04 PM
basically its the belief that aliens, did shit on earth before humans ever existed.....it a bunch of bull
compared to one "being" that created everything, molded a woman out of a mans rib, had a son that did a bunch of shit?

[Skyhopper]

^^ haha, point. There was some shit on the discovery, or national geographic, i dunno, one of those channels... anway, they were talking about Judas Iscariot, on how even though he betrayed Jesus, he might not have been evil after all. I didn&#39;t pay too much attention, but they found some holy scriptures, the gospel according to Judas, and it had some of the discussions Jesus and him had and talked about how Jesus somewhat put him up to creating the whole conspiracy which gets Jesus crucified.

Damn. I have no life.

[Skyhopper]

I&#39;ll post some of my philosophical thoughts tomorrow, though.

[FuLa]

Originally posted by Skyhopper@Apr 9 2006, 10:47 PM
^^ haha, point. There was some shit on the discovery, or national geographic, i dunno, one of those channels... anway, they were talking about Judas Iscariot, on how even though he betrayed Jesus, he might not have been evil after all. I didn&#39;t pay too much attention, but they found some holy scriptures, the gospel according to Judas, and it had some of the discussions Jesus and him had and talked about how Jesus somewhat put him up to creating the whole conspiracy which gets Jesus crucified.

Damn. I have no life.
oh yeah...I actually just saw that...it says that Judas did not betray Jesus...well He did but Jesus asked him to do it..

[flclnaruto1213]

oh fuck where do i start
my thoughts


in my life, only the things i interact with are real. nothing else exists until i havebeen there or done it.
IE- i have never been to africa-therefor it does not exist in my life.

secondly. life is completely balanced and everysingle action is matched with something opposite in value. there is no such thing as luck or "fair or unfair" everything is balanced.

i have thought of way more..cant thinkthem up now.
maybe ill postlater.

[skrooeapatape]

correct the name of the thread..

[screw_loose]

Originally posted by FuLa+Apr 10 2006, 12:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FuLa @ Apr 10 2006, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Skyhopper@Apr 9 2006, 10:47 PM
^^ haha, point. There was some shit on the discovery, or national geographic, i dunno, one of those channels... anway, they were talking about Judas Iscariot, on how even though he betrayed Jesus, he might not have been evil after all. I didn&#39;t pay too much attention, but they found some holy scriptures, the gospel according to Judas, and it had some of the discussions Jesus and him had and talked about how Jesus somewhat put him up to creating the whole conspiracy which gets Jesus crucified.

Damn. I have no life.
oh yeah...I actually just saw that...it says that Judas did not betray Jesus...well He did but Jesus asked him to do it.. [/b][/quote]
thast funny, yesterday in church the whole mass was focused on judas&#39;s betrayal.

[The 5th one]

Originally posted by Alyte+Apr 9 2006, 08:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Alyte @ Apr 9 2006, 08:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-The 5th one@Apr 9 2006, 05:54 PM

we can never make this world perfect, all we can do is try and live the happiest we can...

also, ,my answers lie in my faith in god- but thats a different story.
thats what the baby boomers and all the other modernists tried doing. now they&#39;re medicating the post-modernists with prozac and such. funny.

" it is better to mourn than to dance because a sad face is good for the heart"

i hate it when people try to sticky-note happiness to God. go read ecclisiastes. [/b][/quote]
thats spelt &#39;ecclesiastes&#39; for one&#33;

and secondly &#39;sticky-note happiness to god&#39;. ......what?

[meetermaid]

&#39;sticky-note happiness to god&#39; = equate happiness with god/the belief in god

[Proper]

.La gloria es de Dios...Ya tu sabes, siguelo.

[The 5th one]

The glory is of god. ya you know, siguelo.........? is that right?

[E-Terror]

religeon is just ghost storues that make people keep the way they live in check

[Feliks]

What&#39;s siguelo? And are you christian/catholic or soemthing? That was a pretty religious comment. But religion is, in itself way too vast to be put in the philosophical thread because we might as well just name it the Beliefs/religion thread. That and the fact that no one will be able to agree with someone who opposes the statements someone else makes. That&#39;s just how religion is. They all tell us to embrace others but you&#39;ve got haters everywhere who are stuck up.
These days, you can&#39;t even get a christian old lady to donate two dollars to Easter Seals (it&#39;s a fund for children).
Anyway, if it&#39;s possible, can we stick to things less religious?

[The 5th one]

well i did say that we shouldnt get into religion here ages ago, because there is already a thread called &#39;beliefs&#39; in which i have posted my beliefs.
I am a christian but i wont discuss it on here too much because people are not willing to listen, but only to argue and say what they want to say.

[MuramZA]

Wordliness and intellection, the more we cling to them, the further astray we go.

If we turn inward and prove to our True-nature that True-nature is no-self, our own self is no-self, we go beyondego and past clever words.--Zen Master Hakuin

When an ordinary man gains knowledge, he is a sage
When a sage gains understanding, he is an ordinary man.


A lesson in Zen Busshism. It would be wise to take them to heart. Remember, a Zen mind consists of an egoless self. Musashi, I believe you might have the same philosophy as i do.

[sikes1]

I live today this world of grey.
Spun me around,
Weight like you wouldn&#39;t believe.
Led astray so I can percieve.

Through a void we can see
That our letters should evolve.
Stripped down bare until
Each individual grasped the concept.

Point one:
Problem solved.
------------------------------
In my belief, it&#39;s that you can see the difference between real artists. There are those who do it for the money, those who don&#39;t understand, and those who do.

The ones who can see the "grey" people. They pass you on the street and give you a smile regardless of your skin or your hair, how you look like or what "scene" you are does not matter at all. We simply love expression and seeing through someone else&#39;s eye every once and a while.

[Proper]

Originally posted by The 5th one@Apr 10 2006, 12:13 PM
The glory is of god. ya you know, siguelo.........? is that right?
Siguelo is follow it.

And to whoever was saying stuff about Religion. I dont offend you or your beliefs in any way so dont start on mine...

To whoever said if I was Catholic, I am. Roman Catholic to be exact.

[SlashX]

me three

[The 5th one]

i am protestant. have you guys read the da vinci code?

[vey1994]

not yet but i want to watch the movie

[SiMpUhL]

Originally posted by The 5th one@Apr 10 2006, 04:41 PM
i am protestant. have you guys read the da vinci code?
nope, isnt it full of like a bunch of exaggerated false statemnts about the bible n jesus n stuff??

[Skyhopper]

My friend&#39;s actually reading that right now, he&#39;s almost done with it. I don&#39;t know too much about it, but from what he&#39;s told me, it talks about secret societies like the Freemasons, Shriners, Skull and Bones, it talks about the nwo(illuminati), and it also talks about jesus and the antichrist&#39;s bloodlines and how some of us are related to them. He was telling me something about how Jesus was actually married. It sounds interesting, I&#39;ll prolly check it out. Or just watch the movie when it comes out :P

[fuckin villan]

great book, really put some things into perspective

[Logikalone]

The Jesus Papers should be a load of shit when it comes out. its another one of those things people are exagerating so he can make huge bucks off it. Im not saying that it will be garuanteed bullshit but that is my opinion. I read a book called the Secret Archives of the Vatican and it tells the smae concept just put into a more scientific/ non biblical way. good read

[F18]

Don&#39;t get mad, please. Taking two song lyric sets. Pick from them what you will.


(Parabol) So familiar and overwhelmingly warm
This one, this form I hold now.
Embracing you, this reality here,
This one, this form I hold now, so
Wide eyed and hopeful.
Wide eyed and hopefully wild.

We barely remember what came before this precious moment,
Choosing to be here right now. Hold on, stay inside...
This body holding me, reminding me that I am not alone in
This body makes me feel eternal. All this pain is an illusion


(Parabola - These two songs link together)


We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment,
We are Choosing to be here right now. Hold on, stay inside...
This holy reality, this holy experience. Choosing to be here in...

This body. This body holding me. Be my reminder here that I am not alone in
This body, this body holding me, feeling eternal all this pain is an illusion.

Alive

This holy reality, in this holy experience. Choosing to be here in...

This body. This body holding me. Be my reminder here that I am not alone in
This body, this body holding me, feeling eternal all this pain is an illusion...
Of what it means to be alive

Swirling round with this familiar parable.
Spinning, weaving round each new experience.
Recognize this as a holy gift and celebrate this
chance to be alive and breathing
chance to be alive and breathing.

This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality.
Embrace this moment. Remember. we are eternal.
all this pain is an illusion.




And now for Third Eye




-Bill Hicks:See I think, drugs have some ddone good things for us. I really do. And if you don&#39;t believe drugs have done good things for us. Do me a favor, go home tonight, take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your CDs, and burn them. &#39;Cause you know what? The musicians who made all that great music that&#39;s enhanced your lives throughout the years? Reeeeeeeal fucking high on drugs.-

-Today young men on acid realized that alll matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one conciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only dream, and we&#39;re the imagination of ourselves. Here&#39;s Tom with the weather.-

-It&#39;s not a war on drugs, it&#39;s a war on peersonal freedom is what it is, okay?. Keep that in mind at all times, thank you.-

Dreaming of that face again.
It&#39;s bright and blue and shimmering.
Grinning wide and comforting me with it&#39;s three warm and wild eyes.

On my back and tumbling
down that hole and back again
rising up and wiping the webs and the dew from my withered eye.


In Out In Out
Innnnnnnnnn&#33;

A child&#39;s rhyme stuck in my head.
It said that life is but a dream.
I&#39;ve spent so many years in question,
to find I&#39;ve known this all along.-

"So good to see you.
I&#39;ve missed you so much.
So glad it&#39;s over.
I&#39;ve missed you so much.
Came out to watch you play.
Why are you running away?
Came out to watch you play.
Why are you running?"

-Shrouding all the ground around me.
Is this holy crow above me.
Black as holes within a memory
and blue as our new second sun.
I stick my hand into his shadow
to pull the pieces from the sand.
Which I attempt to reassemble
to see just who I might have been.
I do not recognize the vessel,
but the eyes seem so familiar.
Like phosphorescent desert buttons
singing one familiar song... -

"So good to see you.
I&#39;ve missed you so much.
So glad it&#39;s over.
I&#39;ve missed you so much.
Came out to watch you play.
Why are you running away?
Came out to watch you play.
Why are you running away?"

(Prying open my third eye. 4x)

So good to see you once again.
I thought that you were hiding.
And you thought that I had run away.
Chasing the tail of dogma.

(Opened my eye 3x) And there we were (Opened my eye 3x) And there we were

So good to see you once again
I thought that you were hiding from me.
And you thought that I had run away.
Chasing a trail of smoke and reason.

Prying open my third eye



(( Bill Hicks is a dead comedian. His jokes had to do with corrupt politics and drugs ))

[back in 67]

Originally posted by Ume+Apr 9 2006, 10:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ume &#064; Apr 9 2006, 10:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-SiMpUhL@Apr 9 2006, 10:04 PM
basically its the belief that aliens, did shit on earth before humans ever existed.....it a bunch of bull
compared to one "being" that created everything, molded a woman out of a mans rib, had a son that did a bunch of shit?[/b][/quote]
you know, maybe it&#39;s just me, but I think that people look at the bible far to literally... if we&#39;re going to talk philosophically here, and incorperate religion, then you should really first look at who the bible was directed at... a bunch of uneducated peasants.... people in that era had almost no talent for any form of intricate concepts, save for the select few intellectualls in the community.

I like to look at the bible and almost all forms of religion as the equivalent of "THE IDIOTS GUIDE TO METAPHYSICS"

you know that whole basic concept that you learn in grade 12 from plato&#39;s allegory of the cave bullshit....

the concept of there being more to reallity then what meets the eye (i.e. heaven and hell) The living a good life bullshit, is kind of "AN IDIOTS GUIDE TO ETHICS"... essentially the way I look at the bible, is a collaboration of dumbed down philosophical doctrines....

but hey, that&#39;s just me

[meetermaid]

that&#39;s exactly how i view the bible/ any other religious work, (qua&#39;ran, torah etc) none of it was ever meant to be taken in a literal sense.

[Myme]

As a rebutle to the Bible being the "Idiots Guide to Ethics" I have to disagree. The Bible has been the major source of conflict among many people and has led to the slaughering of thousands of people who didn&#39;t believed otherwise.

Instead, I think our Ethics should be based upon the optimal survival of the human race, rather than a religious document that has many contradictions, sometimes close-minded morals and just something that has led to much controversy in society.

[back in 67]

Originally posted by Myme@Apr 10 2006, 10:54 PM
As a rebutle to the Bible being the "Idiots Guide to Ethics" I have to disagree. The Bible has been the major source of conflict among many people and has led to the slaughering of thousands of people who didn&#39;t believed otherwise.

Instead, I think our Ethics should be based upon the optimal survival of the human race, rather than a religious document that has many contradictions, sometimes close-minded morals and just something that has led to much controversy in society.
I never said that those were the "Ideal" ethics. Ethics can change from one group of people to another. It all dependes on the "societies values" at any point. I don&#39;t agree with the bible&#39;s form of ethics, but weather you agree with them or not, the bible is preaching their certain ethics, which differ from yours. like I said not everyone lives by the same code, or structure.

[meetermaid]

i don&#39;t know about backin67, but the way i meant it, was that the bible was MEANT to be taken figuratively, as the &#39;idiots guide to ethics&#39;, but that&#39;s not exactly how it happens in the real world. a lot of people are too stubborn and nearsighted to stop for a second and think about these kind of things, or to accept them as a legitimate theory.

[back in 67]

haha don&#39;t you love when people agree in different words =)

[The 5th one]

well the da vinci, its against catholics more and just says that chrisitanity is true but its copied from a greek mythology story. pfft....whatever.

its funny how they say that when they&#39;ve studied it for 100&#39;s of years, cant believe its taken them long to think of that most contradictory idea.

[JETc17]

I got this off of Myspace. What&#39;s the answer?

I turn polar bears white
and I will make you cry.
I make guys have to pee
and girls comb their hair.
I make celebrities look stupid
and normal people look like celebrities.
I turn pancakes brown
and make your champane bubble.
If you sqeeze me, I&#39;ll pop.
If you look at me, you&#39;ll pop.
Can you guess the riddle?


97% of Harvard graduates can not figure this riddle out, but 84% of kindergarten students were able to figure this out in 6 minutes or less. Can you guess the correct answer?






BUMP&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[iHop]

No I can&#39;t guess it and you give me the answer NOW.

[streak!]

i like how every survey on myspace is like" 95% of HARVARD students cant get this. when the fuck do they have the time to do all thes surveys. and btw i really want to know the answer.

[JETc17]

i dont even know the answer

i think its "Everything" though..


:unsure:

[iHop]

No, I&#39;ve heard the answer before... Forgot what it was though.

[JETc17]

found it.

TIME


Polar bears (IIRC) are born yellowish, and turn white when they grow up (which takes time);

When old folks reminisce of times gone by, it can make them cry;

It takes time to fill a man&#39;s bladder after having a few beers;

A lady&#39;s hair can gets pretty mussed up after a few hours of not combing it;

Age and time blunt the talents of celebrities;

Likewise, it takes time to practice one&#39;s art, which is a good way to become a celebrity;

It takes time to cook pancakes and to ferment grapes into wine;

If you try to squeeze too much into an hour or day you&#39;ll feel like it "popped" or has passed you by;

And if you look too long at time and its vastness, your brain will feel like it&#39;s "popped" from all the stress.

- Pseudo "this thing all things devours" Croat

[iHop]

Haha...all the people trying to figure out what it is are the "Harvard Graduates." You&#39;re thinking on what it is and not focusing on the actual focus of the riddle, "Can you guess this riddle?" The answer is "No." Let me rephrase an old riddle to match what this one is saying:

Why the chicken crossed the road?
Can you guess this riddle?

Of course the typical answer is "To get to the other side." But that&#39;s not what I asked, I asked if you could guess the riddle. Can you?

For the people trying to justify that with "Yes you can GUESS the riddle, though it may be right...blah blah blah..." Well think about it, when you are asked something like a riddle or whatnot do you just blurt out "YES&#33;" and then think about it (no you don&#39;t because our instincts are to think about it first) or do you actually think about it first and answer? If you answer "yes" to the question does your answer really work? Or are there other possible answers? If so, then you obviously cannot settle on one answer therefore you don&#39;t know because there are multiple answers. For the people that are confused, just think about it, can you guess something logical that a child would say that a Harvard Grad wouldn&#39;t get?

This is a riddle designed to prove one thing. Human beings think about things way too much, we HAVE to make a connection between everything because our minds cannot contemplate that a simple riddle has the answer of "No I can&#39;t." But a young mind hasn&#39;t been corrupted and probed to the point where logical answers and connections have to be made. There CAN be unexplained or just the purest random non-connected answer. People really have to seriously open their minds more.



I got that off another forum.

[Kao.Ali]

okay so i only read the first and last page

but heres what ive been thinkin about
like how we sya that life and the whole universe are just our perception so it could very well be that we make most of this up, which makes sense since we overanalize things
but then again our senses are weak, right compared to other animals, like the horse who they thought could do math
in truth it was just a sense the horse had that could tell when it had got the aniswer right because all it did was stomp its hoof until the person giving the problem gave off the vibe that the horse reached the right number of stomps
so like maybe our minds can only interpret a small amont of things on this planet,
and thats where art comes from is that people can take things theyve seen and grasp them in a way which they can recreate it in some kind of medium

yeah sorry about that, just wanted to get that out

[Alchohlics_Anonymous]

Im sure you all know that we only use 10% of our brains or whatever, I once read that if we used it all we could eventually focus our energy and whatnot and be able to fly/levitate. This in turn helps Kao.Ali&#39;s post in that we most likely can only interpret so much of our world, which is why we will never fully understand everything. We do not have the mental capacity too do so.

[SiMpUhL]

Originally posted by fuckin villan@Apr 10 2006, 09:16 PM
great book, really put some things into perspective
yeah but shouldnt a book that says its based on actuall facts, be true and know the facts.
im not christian, im not anything, but on this topic id have to side with christianity, that book is full of fake shit thats portrayed as REAL, so that ppl who dont know what the bible says, can get a false account from some fuckin pagen author that dont know shit.

the only thing that was actually true in that book is the fact that theres a cult that belives jesus has kids.....which is gay. their a cult for a reason.

god i fukin hate that book&#33;&#33;

[back in 67]

Originally posted by Alchohlics_Anonymous@Apr 22 2006, 02:43 PM
Im sure you all know that we only use 10% of our brains or whatever, I once read that if we used it all we could eventually focus our energy and whatnot and be able to fly/levitate. This in turn helps Kao.Ali&#39;s post in that we most likely can only interpret so much of our world, which is why we will never fully understand everything. We do not have the mental capacity too do so.
you know so many people misinterpret this and I have to correct every single one of them. we use a hell of a lot more then %10 of our brain. people always tend to miss the end of the sentance which is "at any given time." every part of your brain has a function and is used to carry out different tasks. for example the hippocampus is used as a central role in the memory process and the lower lateral lobe is used for hearing ect ect. to say that we only use 10% of our brains is absurd, seeing as we have designated almost every part of our brain with a specific function and purpose......

[Kao.Ali]

Originally posted by back in 67+Apr 23 2006, 12:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (back in 67 @ Apr 23 2006, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Alchohlics_Anonymous@Apr 22 2006, 02:43 PM
Im sure you all know that we only use 10% of our brains or whatever, I once read that if we used it all we could eventually focus our energy and whatnot and be able to fly/levitate. This in turn helps Kao.Ali&#39;s post in that we most likely can only interpret so much of our world, which is why we will never fully understand everything. We do not have the mental capacity too do so.
you know so many people misinterpret this and I have to correct every single one of them. we use a hell of a lot more then %10 of our brain. people always tend to miss the end of the sentance which is "at any given time." every part of your brain has a function and is used to carry out different tasks. for example the hippocampus is used as a central role in the memory process and the lower lateral lobe is used for hearing ect ect. to say that we only use 10% of our brains is absurd, seeing as we have designated almost every part of our brain with a specific function and purpose...... [/b][/quote]
well yeah but his point is still valid, since theres no way to dissprove it

[BoRe-719-]

dammn, what is it i heard the other day?? some sort of top secret project in ww2, where they made stuff invisible with e.m. waves, but they fucked the experiment up so that stuff got like fused with other stuff....ionno the full details and it sounds like a load of crap...maybe its jus the beer talking. if anyone knows what im talking bout, enlighten me

[bacK-home]

Polar bears (IIRC) are born yellowish, and turn white when they grow up (which takes time);

Polar bears aren&#39;t white fool

[BoRe-719-]

Originally posted by bacK&#045;home@Apr 30 2006, 12:17 AM

Polar bears (IIRC) are born yellowish, and turn white when they grow up (which takes time);

Polar bears aren&#39;t white fool
yeah i think its the other way around....their born whit and turn out yellow....

peace all im tired

[bacK-home]

Actually thier fur is transparent and looks white because of the sun reflecting off the snow. So your both wrong :D

[jez]

i just gotta get this off my chest.

Dejavu, makes me thing there may be a possiblity that when we die, its like a video tape rewinding and starting from the beginning, same lives and same people, we just make diffrent choices until we get shit right? who knows, i hope so. i like my fuckin life.

[sika_2002]

Originally posted by bacK&#045;home@Apr 30 2006, 05:31 AM
Actually thier fur is transparent and looks white because of the sun reflecting off the snow. So your both wrong :D
your an idiot. their fur is hollow and white-ish. the white skin is what makes them look as white as they do

[jez]

hes right&#33;


Yes&#33; Most sources indicate that the long, coarse guard hairs, which protect the plush thick undercoat, are hollow and transparent. The thinner hairs of the undercoat are not hollow, but they, like the guard hairs, are colorless.

The hair of a polar bear looks white because the air spaces in each hair scatter light of all colors. The color white becomes visible to our eyes when an object reflects back all of the visible wavelengths of light, rather than absorbing some of the wavelengths.

At one time it was suggested that the polar bear hairs might have some of the properties of optical fibers. Apparently this is not the case. See the following Web sites for information and additional links:

[bacK-home]

Jez that video tape thing is freaky

[bacK-home]

I guess we&#39;re both right sika

[Feliks]

Originally posted by jez@May 1 2006, 01:19 PM
i just gotta get this off my chest.

Dejavu, makes me thing there may be a possiblity that when we die, its like a video tape rewinding and starting from the beginning, same lives and same people, we just make diffrent choices until we get shit right? who knows, i hope so. i like my fuckin life.
This is the same concept of the butterfly effect... If you&#39;ve ever taken philosophy class....enh, i can&#39;t get into it now.

[jez]

hah Yeah i just realized it does sound alot like the butterfly effect.
But i also think things happen for a reason, does that sound like donnie darko?

I really badly confuse myself when i think too much i think i just need to start writing shit down

Im taking philosphy next year.

[GeSuS_KRiST]

Originally posted by jez@May 1 2006, 12:19 PM
i just gotta get this off my chest.

Dejavu, makes me thing there may be a possiblity that when we die, its like a video tape rewinding and starting from the beginning, same lives and same people, we just make diffrent choices until we get shit right? who knows, i hope so. i like my fuckin life.
or maybe its the next step into human evilution and were slowly slipping into it
&#39;


.... why do you ware that stupid human suit

[jez]

Originally posted by Sodomy@May 2 2006, 09:49 PM
fuck this thread
everyone thinks they know shit
yeah news flash
y&#39;all know fuck all
wow that was totally not ignorant and really made alot of sence.

[Aven]

im all about objectivism

[GeSuS_KRiST]

sodomy quit starting beef yo

[scOpeOne]

my dads a philosopher :lol:

[jez]

Originally posted by Sodomy@May 2 2006, 09:52 PM
oooooh trying to burn me
by the way,
its SENSE
wow, i spelled one word wrong. Im glad to see your brain is ACTUALLY capable of processing that sentence.
Good job&#33;


ME>U
<3

[Sodomy]

Originally posted by jez+May 2 2006, 09:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jez &#064; May 2 2006, 09:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sodomy@May 2 2006, 09:52 PM
oooooh trying to burn me
by the way,
its SENSE
wow, i spelled one word wrong. Im glad to see your brain is ACTUALLY capable of processing that sentence.
Good job&#33;


ME>U
<3 [/b][/quote]
you&#39;re a little fucking cuntbag who thinks he&#39;s something significant.
man, in the scheme of things, you&#39;re not even a fuckin speck.

[GeSuS_KRiST]

... im marrying a man?


sodomy yo chill with the fuckin beef unless your someone i know then PM me

[skrooeapatape]

well isnt everything objective? or anything that exists at least.. including thoughts, illusions, imagination (id alos include nothing as empty space).. by the definition of having "actual existence or (inclusivley i assume) reality".. unless you distinguish &#39;actual&#39; from thoughts in our brain or minds..

[skrooeapatape]

Originally posted by scOpeOne@May 2 2006, 09:56 PM
my dads a philosopher :lol:


tell me What it take for someone to be labeled a "philosopher"..

[jez]

Originally posted by Sodomy+May 2 2006, 09:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sodomy @ May 2 2006, 09:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by jez@May 2 2006, 09:57 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Sodomy@May 2 2006, 09:52 PM
oooooh trying to burn me
by the way,
its SENSE
wow, i spelled one word wrong. Im glad to see your brain is ACTUALLY capable of processing that sentence.
Good job&#33;


ME>U
<3
you&#39;re a little fucking cuntbag who thinks he&#39;s something significant.
man, in the scheme of things, you&#39;re not even a fuckin speck. [/b][/quote]
Ahah yes I AM a cunt bag, and i also own a cunt.
I know im an insignificant speck, and if you know that too.
Why do you care? Because you know im right?

[GeSuS_KRiST]

iight then jaded, just becare with rest the mods... and lay off jez homie

[BoRe-719-]

Originally posted by Feliks+May 2 2006, 09:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Feliks @ May 2 2006, 09:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-jez@May 1 2006, 01:19 PM
i just gotta get this off my chest.

Dejavu, makes me thing there may be a possiblity that when we die, its like a video tape rewinding and starting from the beginning, same lives and same people, we just make diffrent choices until we get shit right? who knows, i hope so. i like my fuckin life.
This is the same concept of the butterfly effect... If you&#39;ve ever taken philosophy class....enh, i can&#39;t get into it now. [/b][/quote]
if ur talkin about the movie then, yeah ur right, but the "butterfly effect" itself is an entirely different concept. and yeah dont wannna get into it, cuz its sorta complicated.

[skrooeapatape]

Feliks.. that is not the same concept as the butterfly.. not that it cant be compatible with it, its just two different concepts.., And Philosophy is such a broad field.. i dont think most classes would focus on either of these issues in any institution

Jez.. would you still feel the same kind of choice if your dejavu covered everything you did rather than seleted moments.?

[jez]

i already really cant stand dejavu as it is..weirds me out.. but if it covered everything. i think id go crazy, maybe i would change my mind. i think experience is the biggest key.

[koper]

dejavu&#39;s could just be perceptions that skip your short term memory and jump straight into long term. That&#39;s why it&#39;s weird to recognize one, because it is brand new yet in your long term memory aswell.

I dunno, just a theory i read somehwere.

[Magi]

Originally posted by koper@May 3 2006, 08:27 AM
dejavu&#39;s could just be perceptions that skip your short term memory and jump straight into long term. That&#39;s why it&#39;s weird to recognize one, because it is brand new yet in your long term memory aswell.

I dunno, just a theory i read somehwere.
Sounds about right. What if deja vu is also the repitition of something that occured say... In a dream or something? I often find myself having symbolic, vivid dreams that lead to the event really occuring in my life sometimes. So having said that, maybe deja vu is a form of mental insight?

[fannypack uprock]

maybe deja vu is the recognition of an event that has happened to you in some sort of parallel existence. maybe its the recognition of something youve seen in dreams or past life or a life yet to be lived. maybe its the sensation of experiencing the exact same situation as someone else has already experienced thus adding to the experience of the collective as a whole.. or maybe its that feeling you get when you really need a snickers.

[underground_culture]

we spend our life seeking a answer

but we never asked the question


haha i thought that up jsut now... im deep ZEN BITCHES

[SALVO]

oops

[sika_2002]

i started reading the teachings of budha but never managed to finish. i gota say it was one of the best things iv ever read.

[SALVO]

The Teachings of The Compassionate Buddha
Chapter XVII
ANGER

Let a man leave anger, let him forsake pride, let him overcome all bondage. No sufferings the man who is not attached to name and form, and who calls nothing his own.
He who holds back rising anger like a rolling chariot, him I call a real driver; other people are but holding the reins.
Let a man overcome anger by love, let him overcome evil by good; let him overcome the greedy by liberality, the liar by truth. Speak the truth; do not yield to anger; give, if you are asked, even though it be little: by these steps you will come near the gods.
The Sages who injure no one, who always control their body- they will go to the unchangeable place where, if they have gone, they will suffer no more.
Those who are ever watchful, who study day and night, and who strive after Nirvana, their passions will come to an end....
Beware of bodily anger, and control your body. Leave the sins of the body, and with your body practice virtue.
Beware of the anger of the toungue, and control your toungue. Leave the sins of your toungue, and practice virtue with your toungue.
Beware pf the anger of the mind, and control your mind. Leave the sins of the mind, and practice virtue with your mind.
The wise who control their body, who control their toungue; the wise who control their mind, are indeed well controlled.

[The Suck]

SALVO - buddhism is good shit but hard to commit to. I try.


I&#39;m a big fan of implicit order and using non-addictive phsycoactives to bend your reality. Especially DMT which is also transmitted naturally during your REM sleep to produce dreams.

If you don&#39;t know what implicit order is, then google is for you. It&#39;s too hard to explain. David Bohn has a few good books on it.

[SALVO]

The Teachings of The Compassionate Buddha
Chapter XIII
The World

Do not follow the evil law. Do not live on in thoughtlessness. Do not follow false doctrine. Be not a friend of the world. Rouse yourself. Do not be idle. Follow the law of virtue. The virtuous rest in bliss in this world and the next.
Follow the law of virtue; do not follow that of sin. The virtuous rest in bliss in this world and the next.
Look upon the world as you would on a bubble, look upon it as on a mirage: the king of death does not see him who thus looks down upon the world.
Come, look at this world, glittering like a royal chariot; the foolish are immersed in it, but the wise are not attached to it. He who formerly was reckless and afterward became sober brightens up this world, like the moon when freed from clouds. He whose evil deeds are covered by good deeds brightens up this world, like the moon when freed from coulds...

[AMW]

confucious says "those who go to bed with itchy butt, wakes up with smelly fingers"

[BoRe-719-]

Originally posted by Magi+May 3 2006, 12:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Magi @ May 3 2006, 12:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-koper@May 3 2006, 08:27 AM
dejavu&#39;s could just be perceptions that skip your short term memory and jump straight into long term. That&#39;s why it&#39;s weird to recognize one, because it is brand new yet in your long term memory aswell.

I dunno, just a theory i read somehwere.
Sounds about right. What if deja vu is also the repitition of something that occured say... In a dream or something? I often find myself having symbolic, vivid dreams that lead to the event really occuring in my life sometimes. So having said that, maybe deja vu is a form of mental insight? [/b][/quote]
word, shit happens to me all the time.

[Magi]

What I really wonder about though, is birth. Now, science would have us believe that the atoms we&#39;re made of have existed since the beginning of time, imagine how powerful a pull--be it spiritual or chemical-- a man and women generate when seed and egg come together. It&#39;s like... Gravity draws everything to a center point, and then it just comes together.

Like we&#39;re the product of a Big Bang. Pun intended. :P

[The 5th one]

nothing philosphical about that.

big bang = theory = false. i was not derived from a dust particle, but from an intracately designed fertilised egg.

[fannypack uprock]

Originally posted by The 5th one@May 4 2006, 06:17 AM
i was not derived from a dust particle, but from an intracately designed fertilised egg.
youre a good girl pams... :)

[jez]

i go to a buddhist school, i hear shit like that everyday. ahaha, i love it.
Plus our principal is john HEINZ ...as in ketchup, yeah.

Totally ignorant post, but i love it.

[fannypack uprock]

Originally posted by jez@May 4 2006, 06:50 AM
i go to a buddhist school, i hear shit like that everyday. ahaha, i love it.
Plus our principal is john HEINZ ...as in ketchup, yeah.

Totally ignorant post, but i love it.
buddhism is better than most organized religions but i still think theres more to it then it leads on to....

[The 5th one]

Originally posted by fannypack uprock+May 4 2006, 07:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fannypack uprock @ May 4 2006, 07:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-The 5th one@May 4 2006, 06:17 AM
i was not derived from a dust particle, but from an intracately designed fertilised egg.
youre a good girl pams... :) [/b][/quote]
i try my best. it doesnt always show though.

[Magi]

Hell of an egg then mang. I was just using the Big Bang as an example though, I don&#39;t support it myself. I&#39;m just saying..

Hell of an egg.

[some guy from NCI...]

You guys been chatting about Astral Travel/Remote viewing any of that sorta stuff yet?

I cant be botherd to look through.

[BoRe-719-]

Originally posted by The 5th one@May 4 2006, 07:17 AM
nothing philosphical about that.

big bang = theory = false. i was not derived from a dust particle, but from an intracately designed fertilised egg.
hmm im no christian, but the origin of the big bang makes no sense....if u disagree i hate u, ive been studyingit for the enitire school year.


anyways anyone ever hear of the philadelphia experiment...if so what r ur thoughts...

[tonedope]

tell us about it

[MENG!]

Originally posted by http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq21&#045;1.htm
Allegedly, in the fall of 1943 a U.S. Navy destroyer was made invisible and teleported from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, to Norfolk, Virginia, in an incident known as the Philadelphia Experiment. Records in the Operational Archives Branch of the Naval Historical Center have been repeatedly searched, but no documents have been located which confirm the event, or any interest by the Navy in attempting such an achievement.

The ship involved in the experiment was supposedly the USS Eldridge. Operational Archives has reviewed the deck log and war diary from Eldridge&#39;s commissioning on 27 August 1943 at the New York Navy Yard through December 1943. The following description of Eldridge&#39;s activities are summarized from the ship&#39;s war diary. After commissioning, Eldridge remained in New York and in the Long Island Sound until 16 September when it sailed to Bermuda. From 18 September, the ship was in the vicinity of Bermuda undergoing training and sea trials until 15 October when Eldridge left in a convoy for New York where the convoy entered on 18 October. Eldridge remained in New York harbor until 1 November when it was part of the escort for Convoy UGS-23 (New York Section). On 2 November the convoy entered Naval Operating Base, Norfolk. On 3 November, Eldridge and Convoy UGS-23 left for Casablanca where it arrived on 22 November. On 29 November, Eldridge left as one of escorts for Convoy GUS-22 and arrived with the convoy on 17 December at New York harbor. Eldridge remained in New York on availability training and in Block Island Sound until 31 December when it steamed to Norfolk with four other ships. During this time frame, Eldridge was never in Philadelphia.

Eldridge&#39;s complete World War II action report and war diary coverage, including the remarks section of the 1943 deck log, is available on microfilm, NRS-1978-26. The cost of a duplicate film is indicated on the fee schedule. To order a duplicate film, please complete the duplication order form and send a check or money order for the correct amount as indicated on the NHC fee schedule, made payable to the Department of the Navy, to the Operational Archives, at the above address.

Supposedly, the crew of the civilian merchant ship SS Andrew Furuseth observed the arrival via teleportation of the Eldridge into the Norfolk area. Andrew Furuseth&#39;s movement report cards are in the Tenth Fleet records in the custody of the Modern Military Branch, National Archives and Records Admnistration, (8601 Adelphi Road, College Park, MD 20740-6001), which also has custody of the action reports, war diaries and deck logs of all World War II Navy ships, including Eldridge. The movement report cards list the merchant ship&#39;s ports of call, the dates of the visit, and convoy designation, if any. The movement report card shows that Andrew Furuseth left Norfolk with Convoy UGS-15 on 16 August 1943 and arrived at Casablanca on 2 September. The ship left Casablanca on 19 September and arrived off Cape Henry on 4 October. Andrew Furuseth left Norfolk with Convoy UGS-22 on 25 October and arrived at Oran on 12 November. The ship remained in the Mediterranean until it returned with Convoy GUS-25 to Hampton Roads on 17 January 1944. The Archives has a letter from Lieutenant Junior Grade William S. Dodge, USNR, (Ret.), the Master of Andrew Furuseth in 1943, categorically denying that he or his crew observed any unusual event while in Norfolk. Eldridge and Andrew Furuseth were not even in Norfolk at the same time.

The Office of Naval Research (ONR) has stated that the use of force fields to make a ship and her crew invisible does not conform to known physical laws. ONR also claims that Dr. Albert Einstein&#39;s Unified Field Theory was never completed. During 1943-1944, Einstein was a part-time consultant with the Navy&#39;s Bureau of Ordnance, undertaking theoretical research on explosives and explosions. There is no indication that Einstein was involved in research relevant to invisibility or to teleportation. ONR&#39;s information sheet on the Philadelphia Experiment is attached.

The Philadelphia Experiment has also been called "Project Rainbow." A comprehensive search of the Archives has failed to identify records of a Project Rainbow relating to teleportation or making a ship disappear. In the 1940s, the code name RAINBOW was used to refer to the Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Axis. The RAINBOW plans were the war plans to defeat Italy, Germany and Japan. RAINBOW V, the plan in effect on 7 December 1941 when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, was the plan the U.S. used to fight the Axis powers.

Some researchers have erroneously concluded that degaussing has a connection with making an object invisible. Degaussing is a process in which a system of electrical cables are installed around the circumference of ship&#39;s hull, running from bow to stern on both sides. A measured electrical current is passed through these cables to cancel out the ship&#39;s magnetic field. Degaussing equipment was installed in the hull of Navy ships and could be turned on whenever the ship was in waters that might contain magnetic mines, usually shallow waters in combat areas. It could be said that degaussing, correctly done, makes a ship "invisible" to the sensors of magnetic mines, but the ship remains visible to the human eye, radar, and underwater listening devices.

After many years of searching, the staff of the Operational Archives and independent researchers have not located any official documents that support the assertion that an invisibility or teleportation experiment involving a Navy ship occurred at Philadelphia or any other location.

I remember reading about it or hearing it somewere. But thats the jist. There is s more sites too, just google them.

I think it did happen. The goverment hides so much shit. They have perfect reason to keep it to themselves too, cuse they get more money that way. <_< Fucking pigs.

Everyone knows of Area 51, but I heard theres a new on, like S-15 or something along those lines? Anyone know what Im talking about?

[Grigory Rasputin]

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[Grigory Rasputin]

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[Feliks]

I read about soemthing like that, but it was very obscure about it.
The author Stephen King wrote the novel, the dark half I think? It&#39;s a fuckin good book. the main character as a little boy "walks where the rain isn&#39;t".

[Karma]

Ahah my Major is Philosophy. I&#39;ll drop some ill ish later. Have to read Quantium Theory, and Intro to Jung.

[mad ethics]

my cousin introduced me to his alien theory, I&#39;m just gonna quoate what he alreayd typed up about it:


This is something i have been thinking about for some time. Mostly while under the influence of something. but everyone i tell it to seems to understand. im going to explain the unknown from my point of view, and u guys tell me wut u think. Just leave me a comment. Shit, maybe ill start a following.lol.

Ok. science tells us how all life began in the sea. from the ocean, new living beings evolved. so then, are mermaids that hard to believe? maybe they may not have looked exactly like the disney movie, but maybe in our past, thats what we evolved from. and the idea of mermaids are just repressed memories. genetically recorded in our dna.

Science has accumulated alot of data to support evolution. And i believe it is most probably true.

So now, on to my theory of future evolution. Just like we might have evolved from mermaids in the ocean, once on land, science says we evolved from monkeys. Ok. i beleive it. theres enough evidence to back that up. So, on to aliens. ( Be prepared for me to blow your mind&#33;&#33;&#33;)lol. Science has spent billions of dollars looking for alien life in outer space. i think they are looking in the wrong place. Why do we see ufos and then they just dissappear into nothing? Like we evolved from primates, i believe aliens are nothing more than an evolution of ourselves. maybe from a million years in the future. Thats why we cant follow their spaceships, cuz they arent SPACEships. theyre time machines. and for all we know, when we see a ufo sighting or someone claims of an alien abduction, it could be a history class from a million years in the future, just going on a field trip back in time to see their ancestors and study how we functioned and how our economy was. is it that hard to believe? scientists also say we humans only use 10% of our brains. that could explain the advanced technology, evolution might have opened up our brains to their full potential. maybe thats why they dont talk either, theyve learned to comunicate telepathically. who knows. maybe im right. thats just a glimpse into some of my thoughts. welcome to my mind.

....yeah, my cousin&#39;s weird

[underground_culture]

ahem... my quote of the day isssssss




what goes up, must go down



beat that bitches

[tonedope]

does smoke ever come down

[NESO1]

if it was trapped in a room, yes
if gravity effects mass, you&#39;ll be damned sure it works on smoke too

[AoAssis]

If 2 people are trying to rape eachother at the same time are they having sex or are they still raiping eachother?

[NESO1]

there&#39;s no will involved, so they&#39;re two people raping eachoher,
lets call it greedy sex, cause theyre both just trying to please themselves

[BoRe-719-]

Originally posted by mad ethics@Jun 10 2006, 04:33 AM
my cousin introduced me to his alien theory, I&#39;m just gonna quoate what he alreayd typed up about it:


This is something i have been thinking about for some time. Mostly while under the influence of something. but everyone i tell it to seems to understand. im going to explain the unknown from my point of view, and u guys tell me wut u think. Just leave me a comment. Shit, maybe ill start a following.lol.

Ok. science tells us how all life began in the sea. from the ocean, new living beings evolved. so then, are mermaids that hard to believe? maybe they may not have looked exactly like the disney movie, but maybe in our past, thats what we evolved from. and the idea of mermaids are just repressed memories. genetically recorded in our dna.

Science has accumulated alot of data to support evolution. And i believe it is most probably true.

So now, on to my theory of future evolution. Just like we might have evolved from mermaids in the ocean, once on land, science says we evolved from monkeys. Ok. i beleive it. theres enough evidence to back that up. So, on to aliens. ( Be prepared for me to blow your mind&#33;&#33;&#33;)lol. Science has spent billions of dollars looking for alien life in outer space. i think they are looking in the wrong place. Why do we see ufos and then they just dissappear into nothing? Like we evolved from primates, i believe aliens are nothing more than an evolution of ourselves. maybe from a million years in the future. Thats why we cant follow their spaceships, cuz they arent SPACEships. theyre time machines. and for all we know, when we see a ufo sighting or someone claims of an alien abduction, it could be a history class from a million years in the future, just going on a field trip back in time to see their ancestors and study how we functioned and how our economy was. is it that hard to believe? scientists also say we humans only use 10% of our brains. that could explain the advanced technology, evolution might have opened up our brains to their full potential. maybe thats why they dont talk either, theyve learned to comunicate telepathically. who knows. maybe im right. thats just a glimpse into some of my thoughts. welcome to my mind.

....yeah, my cousin&#39;s weird
hmmm i like this, where do i start...bascially there r two seperate theories for our future...either we all die in the next, ehhh, 500 years, from nuclear holocaust, and war....or we eventually develop REAL ethics and morals and live until or sun engulfs the earth, and we all die wich is somewhere around 60 billion years in the future, but by then wel will most likely have advanced enough to inhabit other planets in other galaxies...aaaanyways, what im saying is "field trips" using time machines would never happen if we made it that far into the future, becuase we would have developed a stronger code of ethics, in other words, we wouldnt alter time just to entertain some kids.

my theory on "UFO&#39;s", is....if it IS aliens, than it most obviously ties into the philadelphia experiment (above^^)....einstein said, it is impossible to travel faster than the speed of light, therfore IF ALIENS did exist, they would have to teleport using the science behind the philadelphia experiment....blablabla, thers a lot more in my brain but i wont get into it.

EVOLUTION-well, it all starts with a theory that was proven a few years ago involving electricity and water. basically, when u electricute water, it forms amino acids which are the building blocks of life....i personally think that, it doesnt make sense, how can life jus happen? something had to start it, not jus a fuckin, lightning storm and an ocean...anyways, cingle cell organisms eventually devoped into multicellular organisms, which occured in the ocean and therfore devloped into fish.....fish didnt jus turn into humans in the ocean, so no, mermaids never existed. the fish evntually developed legs, and became amphibious. soon when competition for food underwater became too tough, they moved to the land and ate plants....etc they turned into apes, that turned to us......to me, evolution is bullshit, it has too many holes if u know anything about it, but so does creationism, im no scientist so im not about to develop my own theory in that field.

[Arcane]

Im not sure if this falls under the category of philosophy, but its been something Ive been thinking about for a while. And it seems to me as if the human mind in itself is very dangerous. If you think about it, there are wars being fought over religions which you consciously choose to believe in-- not even religions all the time-- even ideals. The power to think freely is the greatest factor in the future of the human race. Look at the animal kingdom. There are no mass genocides. There are no wars. There is no discrimination. There are very few dispicable things that exist without the freedom of thought. I believe that the human mind has the power to do good as well, as we have all seen it do over the years. I will leave you all on this little bit of inquiry-- could the human race survive with an animalistic mind instead of a humanistic(logic, free thought) mind?

[Kao.Ali]

i dunno, since we really dont know what goes on in animals heads
but yeah our pwer lies wothin our minds, since we dont have strong physical abilities, and our society that we live in perpetuates a lack of ethics and shit since we can re-wrie history everytime our values as a whole change,
its like natural selection, originally we were good hearted and weak minded and as our minds grew our naturally good tendencies died out beacaues we all ne to get ahead in life, and so on, sorry if this doesnt make sense im tired

read William golding&#39;s article "why boys become vicious"
it covers a lot of shit, Golding wrote lord of the flies which covers a lot of shit to, most highschoolers read it

[BoRe-719-]

goldings a sketchy guy, BUT, have u seen the movie, shits funny as hell, they drop a rock on that fat kids head...."PIGGY NOOOOOOOOOO&#33;"

but yeah iget what ur sayin sorta like evolution of the mind

[The 5th one]

Originally posted by underground_culture@Jun 10 2006, 09:09 AM
ahem... my quote of the day isssssss




what goes up, must go down



beat that bitches
heat rises.

[BoRe-719-]

ahahah, THATS NOT A PHILOSOPHY&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


but yeah, as for the whole mind evolution thing....it makes sense, same as the whole theory on evoltution,we started out as monkeys, formed weaker bodies but stronger minds.....the only thing left is to evolve into even weaker bodies and even stronger minds.....it may sound like im contradicting myself according to a previous statement but thats jus how i think.....i like to lay out both sides of an issue and then fuck my brain up trying to figure out which on makes the most sense...... :lol:

[The 5th one]

THE EVOLUTION THEORY.

please dont believe in a THEORY as your existence.

[The 5th one]

birds make birds, dogs make dogs, fish make fish........

monkeys dont make humans&#33;


plus if life evolved...what was a shark before it was a shark?

[BoRe-719-]

Originally posted by BoRe&#045;719&#045;+Jun 10 2006, 10:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BoRe-719- @ Jun 10 2006, 10:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-mad ethics@Jun 10 2006, 04:33 AM
my cousin introduced me to his alien theory, I&#39;m just gonna quoate what he alreayd typed up about it:


This is something i have been thinking about for some time. Mostly while under the influence of something. but everyone i tell it to seems to understand. im going to explain the unknown from my point of view, and u guys tell me wut u think. Just leave me a comment. Shit, maybe ill start a following.lol.

Ok. science tells us how all life began in the sea. from the ocean, new living beings evolved. so then, are mermaids that hard to believe? maybe they may not have looked exactly like the disney movie, but maybe in our past, thats what we evolved from. and the idea of mermaids are just repressed memories. genetically recorded in our dna.

Science has accumulated alot of data to support evolution. And i believe it is most probably true.

So now, on to my theory of future evolution. Just like we might have evolved from mermaids in the ocean, once on land, science says we evolved from monkeys. Ok. i beleive it. theres enough evidence to back that up. So, on to aliens. ( Be prepared for me to blow your mind&#33;&#33;&#33;)lol. Science has spent billions of dollars looking for alien life in outer space. i think they are looking in the wrong place. Why do we see ufos and then they just dissappear into nothing? Like we evolved from primates, i believe aliens are nothing more than an evolution of ourselves. maybe from a million years in the future. Thats why we cant follow their spaceships, cuz they arent SPACEships. theyre time machines. and for all we know, when we see a ufo sighting or someone claims of an alien abduction, it could be a history class from a million years in the future, just going on a field trip back in time to see their ancestors and study how we functioned and how our economy was. is it that hard to believe? scientists also say we humans only use 10% of our brains. that could explain the advanced technology, evolution might have opened up our brains to their full potential. maybe thats why they dont talk either, theyve learned to comunicate telepathically. who knows. maybe im right. thats just a glimpse into some of my thoughts. welcome to my mind.

....yeah, my cousin&#39;s weird
hmmm i like this, where do i start...bascially there r two seperate theories for our future...either we all die in the next, ehhh, 500 years, from nuclear holocaust, and war....or we eventually develop REAL ethics and morals and live until or sun engulfs the earth, and we all die wich is somewhere around 60 billion years in the future, but by then wel will most likely have advanced enough to inhabit other planets in other galaxies...aaaanyways, what im saying is "field trips" using time machines would never happen if we made it that far into the future, becuase we would have developed a stronger code of ethics, in other words, we wouldnt alter time just to entertain some kids.

my theory on "UFO&#39;s", is....if it IS aliens, than it most obviously ties into the philadelphia experiment (above^^)....einstein said, it is impossible to travel faster than the speed of light, therfore IF ALIENS did exist, they would have to teleport using the science behind the philadelphia experiment....blablabla, thers a lot more in my brain but i wont get into it.

EVOLUTION-well, it all starts with a theory that was proven a few years ago involving electricity and water. basically, when u electricute water, it forms amino acids which are the building blocks of life....i personally think that, it doesnt make sense, how can life jus happen? something had to start it, not jus a fuckin, lightning storm and an ocean...anyways, cingle cell organisms eventually devoped into multicellular organisms, which occured in the ocean and therfore devloped into fish.....fish didnt jus turn into humans in the ocean, so no, mermaids never existed. the fish evntually developed legs, and became amphibious. soon when competition for food underwater became too tough, they moved to the land and ate plants....etc they turned into apes, that turned to us......to me, evolution is bullshit, it has too many holes if u know anything about it, but so does creationism, im no scientist so im not about to develop my own theory in that field. [/b][/quote]
let me help u out pams, like i said, i like to lay out both sides of th issue....im not stupid i know the holes n the truths behind both....ive probably spent more time studying the origin of humans and the universe thanu ever will..... ;) no beef, jus sayin

[ASEN]

Originally posted by The 5th one@Jun 16 2006, 11:19 AM
birds make birds, dogs make dogs, fish make fish........

monkeys dont make humans&#33;


plus if life evolved...what was a shark before it was a shark?
i smell religion.

get her.

[BoRe-719-]

well she cant really help t, the standard belief is that if u dont belive in evolution that u MUST be a creationist......like i said both have their truths

[The 5th one]

only because you cant answer it.

bore...i spent 4 years studying big bang evolution darwin natural selection etc.