This is a read for anyone painting trains!

[underworld busboy]

This is a topic that is often talked about on graffiti sites, but it is nto stressed enough. DO NOT HEAT OUT TRAINYARDS! All this does is create problems for evryone and could lead to you getting arrested or other writers.

First thing is first, DONT GET SEEN! This should be a no-brainer. If people see you going into a yard they may call the cops, especially if you have a backpack and look remotley suspicious. When you find a yard to paint in scope it out. Look for ways in and ways out, so if in event of evading somebody you have a quick escape. Also dont get seen by yard workers, they will are most likely to call the police on you because yo uare trespassing and vandelising their property.

Secondly, CLEAN UP YOUR MESS! When you are finished painting clean your shit up. Workers check the lines of cars daily, if htey find evidence of graffiti being done there then they will report it. Take you spray cans with you, dont throw them 10 feet into the bush, if you spill paint of the ground kick it up. Make it look like the graffiti was on the train before it came into that yard.

Thirdly, DONT PAINT ON THE NUMBERS! Every train has its own set of numbers that it legaly has to have to be on the tracks. If you paint over these the rail company has to pay money to have them taken out of commission and to be restamped. This costs them a lot of money and makes them pissed at graffiti writers.

These are some basic rules to follow when painting trains. If you have any more information post it here.

[crac]

another thing you should list is.

watch out for trains and hobo's trains can sneak up on you in the yard alot of people have been decapitated and had limbs amputated buy trains not a nice sight there is a webpage with tips about train yards but i dont think its graffiti related.

[crac]

http://www.deadtrainbums.com/causes/ ok here it is check it out. if you have a weak stomach dont look at the picutres. if you enjoy reading about people dieing and looking at pictures of peoples bodys 10 feet from there head with a huge blood trail than this is your site.

[Tony]

i always like to walk from one end of the yard to the other first just to do a once over to make sure its safe to paint.

[pSYKAOz]

i only do trains when they stop somewhere along the tracks... alot easier to run... and last time i went into a yard i heard dogs barking and coming my way... mayb it wasnt in the yard but i didnt wait to see heh....


and word whats been said above... specially bout them numbers...

[Juggalo]

for the numbers bring some duct tape and cradboard with you cover the numbers up and paint away but make sure that when your done you take off the carboard it adds an interesting look to a peice or throw

AND NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER TEST YOUR PAIN ON THE TRACKS. that should be common sense

[pSYKAOz]

i just test my paint on the underside of the train...

and always watch out the train youre painting on can suddenly move. and by move i mean a few meters cuz like its compressed and sometimes unsticks... never happened to me but ive heard it from a few fr8 heads...

[ESNED]

no doubt, dont get in the way of a damn train, if ur hoping them try not to be drunk or on drugs you've been warned... leave that to the hobos

[nedz]

fo show ..but realy be carefull of those hobos ..they will sneek behind u and stad u or fuckin kill u to take your money ..also dont try not to go too deep into the yard it will be easyer for u to get busted, hit up..they last remaining trains and always have a plan for your ass to get out of there

ps.
never fo undeneath a train!!! to cross over always go up the little latters and across hold on super tight to the steel bars..freights can jump on u...they move maby five inches but..extreamly fast and if it hits u it will trough u a few feet away
it hapened to my friend and had elbow surgery never put your feet beettween the wheel of the freight and the tracks...have fun painting but be carefull

[ares]

Originally posted by nedz@May 3 2004, 08:24 AM
fo show ..but realy be carefull of those hobos ..they will sneek behind u and stad u or fuckin kill u to take your money.
Ignorance is bliss.

[Tony]

Originally posted by nedz@May 3 2004, 05:24 AM
also dont try not to go too deep into the yard it will be easyer for u to get busted
what the HELL are you talking about son? :blink:

[Rock 101r]

dont forget not to hit the entrance and the exits,,, you know,, that way all the graff will stay on the fr8's and the yard workers wont catch on to us getting in and getting out

[.44magnum]

yeah this is how workers found out about a spot where subways were getting hit in my city: a stupid bitch tagged inside the tunnel, right next to where the train was kept...suprised the other guys didn't murder him or somethin' hehe

[mindo]

Here's a tip that was posted up whent he old forums were here...I think it was Bee who said it. Never Ever Ever Paint on the locomotives...sticke to the trailing cars...hitting the main car will piss everyone off and make them look that much harder for people.

Also, Don't go on a killing spree and hit every car in a line. This will also heat out a yard because trains are often moved around once they reach a destination. if the workers notice the same looking thing painted on every train on a line, it's a good indication that the yard the train is in is tha yard that was painted and extra security will probably be added to the area.

[spacer]

ya don't get seen even walkin around i always hide from a locomotive when i can or at least bust out your camera and wave at the engineer so u look like a railfan

[RMA]

Originally posted by ades@May 3 2004, 02:26 PM
and also always pack an extra ham sandwich incase u run into a hobo u can bribe him not 2 kill u
But then couldn't he just kill you and take your ham sandwich?

[Tony]

you stupid kids, its rare you will ever even see a hobo. let alone them kick your ass or kill you.




id probably eat the sandwich before i get to the yard anyways

[FOEone]

Originally posted by mindo@May 3 2004, 01:24 PM
Here's a tip that was posted up whent he old forums were here...I think it was Bee who said it. Never Ever Ever Paint on the locomotives...sticke to the trailing cars...hitting the main car will piss everyone off and make them look that much harder for people.

Also, Don't go on a killing spree and hit every car in a line. This will also heat out a yard because trains are often moved around once they reach a destination. if the workers notice the same looking thing painted on every train on a line, it's a good indication that the yard the train is in is tha yard that was painted and extra security will probably be added to the area.
actually, that was me :D

[Tony]

were's flow...didnt he have that thread on freight painting 101

[ares]

Originally posted by ades@May 3 2004, 02:26 PM
and also always pack an extra ham sandwich incase u run into a hobo u can bribe him not 2 kill u
I'm sorry but you kids are dumb. Hobo is such an mis-used word. Do some reading...

[PHADELIK]

that site was fuckin dirt

[Sar!]

I know of a few people who will only travel in groups of course they keep how they communicate to just them as to not reveal anything...they have a few look outs and what not and know what trains they want they only disband when they discovered some how but its organized and all that...besides that they work their magic...im not one for the trains though

[-HARK-]

yo that site is fuckin dirty!

[-HARK-]

the guys missin legs and half his head

[-HARK-]

i feel like eatin pasta with extra sauce and meet balls

[ares]

I feel like replying to a thread 3 times in a row.




Oh wait, no I don't.

[x807x]

Hey! anyone know if its a bad idea to write on the smalle numbers/letters That arent the huge obvious ones? These are the ones that are usually in the middle near the bottom and alot smaler and insignifigant looking, but its better to know than for you piece not to run i cause you went over them. im rambling. anyway anyone know if they are ok?

[ESNED]

i dunno but im sure they serve a purpose so best not to.

[swamz1]

BOMB THE TTC. DONT BE SCARED ITS SO EASY

[MK03]

i suggest,
when train hopin as you graff to make it form one set of rails to another use the ladders. i also suggest foryou that dont like your hands to get dirty or oily bring a pair of small gloves this will keep your hands clean and whont dirty up your shit and since your using the ladders its alot smarter then to pass under

plus your backpack is easy to carry over the train but trying to drag it under a train takes a little longer and if the train starts tomove you dont have anytime to waste
everyone take care
put up some sick graffs.

peace

MK03

[tha boy in da corner]

i'm in quebec city and our yard has been heated up by SOME1 WV. he tagged a wall you can't miss when leaving the yard SO DO YARD WORKERS and a powerbox that yardworkers can't miss! thank you some1 for heating up our spot! but the freight he painted is fuckin great!... this guy know how to paint but have a serious lack of DISCRETION and RESPECT... anyway that yard ain't mine but i'd like to have keep as fresh as it was...

[canaru]

if you drive your car to the yard its best to park far away from it..............

also if you go with a bodie and if yo uget spotted its better to run different directions............and after have a place to meet up.............

[BeeOne234...]

K0over serial numbers on freights! This pisses them off and me, and they will most likely buff you...and yes, even the small numbers are numbers...

Don't leave empty cans or other trash on the ground! That would give away your spot.. If it's a good spot, you'll want to keep it right?

Don't test your paint all over the place... especially not on train tracks!
That would blow your spot!...and again piss me off...

Don't bring your blackbooks to yards with you...just bring sketch if you need one...that's more evidence than anyone needs against them should some ish go down...

Never a bad idea to bring mace or a knife errr something with you to paint...

Don't leave your tags around your entrance or exits...

Don't tell everyone about your spot or eventually, it will be everyone's spot...

Don't park close to your spot, or in any other obvious places...

If you leave graff shit in your car (i.e. black book, markers, cans), hide it under a blanket or in the trunk.. Keep it out of site!

Don't paint with a large number of people....

Don't wear clothes with paint on them...

Please don't paint on fr8 for your first graff practice...NO THROWIES ON FREIGHTS!!!
Pieces and streaks are a-ok and welcomed!!
Save the bombs and tags for walls etc...this is a personal aggrevation, other may enjoy seeing toycrap on metal but not i...

Wear gloves so you don't get paint on your hands.. caught red handed hmm...

Always take flicks!


Yup...have fun...


;)

[afterten]

NOTE BY WEBMASTER: sorry, CN doesn't allow us to show these remotely hosted pictures on this website.

in case you were wondering what the numbers meant.

[FOEone]

wow. that's cool as hell. thanks AF

[ALGAE]

Im not encouraging violence, but roll to a yard with a few trusted friends and a few tools incase someone attacks you.

[quacky the ducky]

yo Im a hobo and I will eat your food so dont bring any with you :angry:

[gane]

I've been wondering this and there is no real writers to talk to that know..I know there is a difference between a yard and a layup,right? I'm guessing a layup is where they chill in the woods.. hit me back if you know

[TruKOne]

Yo what sucks for me is that one of my friends has a Dad that works in the local yard now so i have to "Stay The Fuck Out"
Trians are a rush on matched
Try painting as it is moving, usually when it starts to after your already painting.

[afterten]

Originally posted by gane@May 6 2004, 03:10 PM
I know there is a difference between a yard and a layup,right? I'm guessing a layup is where they chill in the woods.. hit me back if you know
yards are bigger than layups. yards are where they move all the cars around and rearrange them into lines. they usually have a building or something to accompany them. layups are where trains just chill for a while, overnight or longer.

[BeeOne234...]

layup is the side tracks where trains are parked overnight and on the weekends...this is usually where you see just a handful or half-line of cars left alone, no engine or cabuse....and yards are where they are swaping cars and forming new cargo lines...usually have few fr8 lines running closer together here...example...there is a 7 line in the southwest...usually a warehouse or operater site near big yards...hump yards...where they just add or subtract a car or 5....lay-ups will be picked up...get it??

[BeeOne234...]

uhh yeah what he said....i didn't see he responded.... :P

[KwazOne]

Originally posted by Tony@May 3 2004, 12:47 AM
i always like to walk from one end of the yard to the other first just to do a once over to make sure its safe to paint.
VERY TRUE

[scottpeterson]

i heard there was a crew of homeless freight riders. supposedly they leave whatever lives they may have to ride the freights and bomb the fuck out of whatever city they stop in for a few weeks at a time, then leave again on another train. does anyone know about this?

also my boy told me when the cops would come into the train yards with the poilce dogs, he would hide on top of the boxcar and the dogs would stop sniffing at the spot where he was painting. does this work?

[afterten]

Originally posted by scottpeterson@May 9 2004, 01:19 PM
he would hide on top of the boxcar and the dogs would stop sniffing at the spot where he was painting. does this work?
getting on top of boxcars isnt always a good idea, and it can be quite difficult seeing as how not all boxcar ladders go all the way to the top.

[HELO]

ok kids go heat out your local yard, thats all i have to say

[jurass finish first]

Originally posted by afterten+May 6 2004, 05:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (afterten @ May 6 2004, 05:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-gane@May 6 2004, 03:10 PM
I know there is a difference between a yard and a layup,right? I'm guessing a layup is where they chill in the woods.. hit me back if you know
yards are bigger than layups. yards are where they move all the cars around and rearrange them into lines. they usually have a building or something to accompany them. layups are where trains just chill for a while, overnight or longer. [/b][/quote]
theres a layup right behind my school :D and its behind a forest so barely anybody can see you. i jsut keep a couple cans in my locker and go out at lunch or after school.

[underworld busboy]

This is just to answer a few questions and summerize whats being said on this thread. As far as the numbers go on freights and the words, prety much all yo need to leave is the wight limits, capacities, and the trian type (for example some say rbox). This is what the freights need to legally have on them to be on the tracks. You dont need to pack in useless shit like tape or cardboard to put over the numbers, you should just paint around the numbers, its not hard, if you cant do it then you shouldnt be painting trians. As far as tagging shit in yards, DONT DO IT! The idea of not heating out a yard is to make it seem like painting didnt happen there. If you tag doors, electrical boxes, etc. then workers will know and will have to report it. Dont go bombing whole lines of freights, this is an obvious one for workers that painting is going on there. Workers know that trians get broken up when the get switched up and whatnot, the same graffiti on a line is a give-in. Thats all for now ;)

[Lotus]

my friend's house is on some property that is literally right across the road from where, three or four times a week, a train will stop overnight. All night, dusk till dawn. It isn't sidetracks, either. Any particular reason you can reason for this happening? Also, would it be that difficult to at least do a throw-up on? or are workers likely patrol down it a few times a night. I'm not familar with trains, I stick with the usual walls and basketball courts and shit. he said he did a rather sizeable throw-up there. That safe? I'm thinking about expanding my typical spots. It seems there's a lot involved with piecing or tagging trains.

[ViKn]

and since no one said it, Do not paint over old streaks. some could be older than you are.

[Tony]

Originally posted by Lotus@May 18 2004, 03:11 PM
my friend's house is on some property that is literally right across the road from where, three or four times a week, a train will stop overnight. All night, dusk till dawn. It isn't sidetracks, either. Any particular reason you can reason for this happening? Also, would it be that difficult to at least do a throw-up on? or are workers likely patrol down it a few times a night. I'm not familar with trains, I stick with the usual walls and basketball courts and shit. he said he did a rather sizeable throw-up there. That safe? I'm thinking about expanding my typical spots. It seems there's a lot involved with piecing or tagging trains.
how many cars is there? 3-4? or is it like a full line? if its like 80-90 cars you could probably paint 3 or 4 peices on the line...(id alternet wich side of the cars you paint) and dont do them close together.. if its only 3 or 4 i couldnt do more then one panel, and dont write the date, area code or anyhting at all.

[Flaw_fsm]

Originally posted by Tony@May 3 2004, 12:47 AM
i always like to walk from one end of the yard to the other first just to do a once over to make sure its safe to paint.
same here, and wile i do that i check out shit thats already been done and scope for the best spot...

[Flaw_fsm]

this is all common sense but its also shit you should know before you go out so thumbs up to who ever started this (to lazy to check)

[underworld busboy]

Originally posted by Lotus@May 18 2004, 05:11 PM
my friend's house is on some property that is literally right across the road from where, three or four times a week, a train will stop overnight. All night, dusk till dawn. It isn't sidetracks, either. Any particular reason you can reason for this happening? Also, would it be that difficult to at least do a throw-up on? or are workers likely patrol down it a few times a night. I'm not familar with trains, I stick with the usual walls and basketball courts and shit. he said he did a rather sizeable throw-up there. That safe? I'm thinking about expanding my typical spots. It seems there's a lot involved with piecing or tagging trains.
My advice to you and/or your friend stake out the area before you paint it. It all depends if the trains get checked by rail security or anything, or if anyone is sleeping in the enginecar of the train. But just keep six for a bit during certain times and then if its all good paint away, but follow the rules and dont heat it out, or security will be there and problems will arise. Also mentioned by another, it depends on how many cars are there, if there are 3-4 i would just do one piece, if there is a line of freights parked there i would do a few but space them out and alternate panels of the freights. Dont make any routines while painting them because the railworkers or conductor may catch on that his freights are getting hit.

[Flow]

Don't do a 'throw up' on a train! Piece it, streak it or stick to walls!

[AnicsOneLBK]

i havnt painted any freights yet but i found a nice little layup out in the country. I was wondering if there were just certain numbers not to paint over or is it a good idea to stay clear of any numbers ? sorry if this has already been asked.

[afterten]

anics: better be safe than sorry, and just stay away from anything printed on the car. the train companies dont tend to put useless stuff on there, so everything serves a purpose and should be left visible. theres enough blank space that you should be able to fit your work.

[rx-7]

damn it sucks for me becuase the yard closest to me is already a burn. theres cans laying all over, graff all over the building walls, tags on the electrical boxes and shit. i used to go almost every saturday, but i heard that a couple people got caught there, so now i wanna start going to a different yard. the only other yard that i kno for sure isnt a burn is about 30 min away from me :(

[AnicsOneLBK]

Originally posted by afterten@May 31 2004, 05:55 PM
anics: better be safe than sorry, and just stay away from anything printed on the car. the train companies dont tend to put useless stuff on there, so everything serves a purpose and should be left visible. theres enough blank space that you should be able to fit your work.
thanks for the help

[AnicsOneLBK]

Originally posted by jurass finish first+May 10 2004, 04:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jurass finish first @ May 10 2004, 04:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by afterten@May 6 2004, 05:18 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-gane@May 6 2004, 03:10 PM
I know there is a difference between a yard and a layup,right? I'm guessing a layup is where they chill in the woods.. hit me back if you know
yards are bigger than layups. yards are where they move all the cars around and rearrange them into lines. they usually have a building or something to accompany them. layups are where trains just chill for a while, overnight or longer.
theres a layup right behind my school :D and its behind a forest so barely anybody can see you. i jsut keep a couple cans in my locker and go out at lunch or after school. [/b][/quote]
where you from Jarass?

[underworld busboy]

Originally posted by rx-7@Jun 1 2004, 06:58 PM
damn it sucks for me becuase the yard closest to me is already a burn. theres cans laying all over, graff all over the building walls, tags on the electrical boxes and shit. i used to go almost every saturday, but i heard that a couple people got caught there, so now i wanna start going to a different yard. the only other yard that i kno for sure isnt a burn is about 30 min away from me :(
Thirty minutes away isn't so bad. It is worth it for painting without getting caught. Even if you have to walk its worth the effort.

[Dsenter NAV]

What some train yard guys are doing now is when they see a panel done, they slash it using another writers name..
they're trying to sart wars between writers so they both stop..
they're trying new shit now too try and stop vandalism

[Thief]

Originally posted by rx-7@Jun 1 2004, 06:58 PM
damn it sucks for me becuase the yard closest to me is already a burn. theres cans laying all over, graff all over the building walls, tags on the electrical boxes and shit. i used to go almost every saturday, but i heard that a couple people got caught there, so now i wanna start going to a different yard. the only other yard that i kno for sure isnt a burn is about 30 min away from me :(
Same thing happened here

[Thief]

Its a shame, really. I don't even think there are any other yards here

[syze]

does enyone know eny yards in vancouver, that are really good


Thanks

[Flow]

Your backyard.

That's all you're going to get. Nobody in their right mind would give up their spot. It's up to you to do the leg work.

[KwazOne]

most people in this forum sounds like little girls.

[Alchohlics_Anonymous]

Originally posted by syze@Jun 3 2004, 04:26 PM
does enyone know eny yards in vancouver, that are really good


Thanks
god its kids like you who ruin shit. find them on your own, look at maps, talk to other writers, dont heat them out on the internet! thats lame as hell, do the dirty work on your own.

[underworld busboy]

Originally posted by Alchohlics_Anonymous+Jun 4 2004, 03:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Alchohlics_Anonymous @ Jun 4 2004, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-syze@Jun 3 2004, 04:26 PM
does enyone know eny yards in vancouver, that are really good


Thanks
god its kids like you who ruin shit. find them on your own, look at maps, talk to other writers, dont heat them out on the internet! thats lame as hell, do the dirty work on your own. [/b][/quote]
No shit eh :angry:

[cbc]

lol i might ask around what neighbourhood are ok places if im jsut visiting but if you live there you should be able to find it yourself

[Thief]

Moo

[HAZE-38]

Originally posted by underworld busboy@May 3 2004, 12:39 AM
This is a topic that is often talked about on graffiti sites, but it is nto stressed enough. DO NOT HEAT OUT TRAINYARDS! All this does is create problems for evryone and could lead to you getting arrested or other writers.

First thing is first, DONT GET SEEN! This should be a no-brainer. If people see you going into a yard they may call the cops, especially if you have a backpack and look remotley suspicious. When you find a yard to paint in scope it out. Look for ways in and ways out, so if in event of evading somebody you have a quick escape. Also dont get seen by yard workers, they will are most likely to call the police on you because yo uare trespassing and vandelising their property.

Secondly, CLEAN UP YOUR MESS! When you are finished painting clean your shit up. Workers check the lines of cars daily, if htey find evidence of graffiti being done there then they will report it. Take you spray cans with you, dont throw them 10 feet into the bush, if you spill paint of the ground kick it up. Make it look like the graffiti was on the train before it came into that yard.

Thirdly, DONT PAINT ON THE NUMBERS! Every train has its own set of numbers that it legaly has to have to be on the tracks. If you paint over these the rail company has to pay money to have them taken out of commission and to be restamped. This costs them a lot of money and makes them pissed at graffiti writers.

These are some basic rules to follow when painting trains. If you have any more information post it here.
were are these numbers at on the train

[Fate]

Originally posted by swamz1@May 4 2004, 07:40 AM
BOMB THE TTC. DONT BE SCARED ITS SO EASY
:o really?

[Fate]

Originally posted by ViKn@May 18 2004, 05:57 PM
and since no one said it, Do not paint over old streaks. some could be older than you are.
streaks? like the white hobo drawnigs done with meanstreaks?

[dice e.s.t.]

Originally posted by underworld busboy@May 3 2004, 12:39 AM
This is a topic that is often talked about on graffiti sites, but it is nto stressed enough. DO NOT HEAT OUT TRAINYARDS! All this does is create problems for evryone and could lead to you getting arrested or other writers.

First thing is first, DONT GET SEEN! This should be a no-brainer. If people see you going into a yard they may call the cops, especially if you have a backpack and look remotley suspicious. When you find a yard to paint in scope it out. Look for ways in and ways out, so if in event of evading somebody you have a quick escape. Also dont get seen by yard workers, they will are most likely to call the police on you because yo uare trespassing and vandelising their property.

Secondly, CLEAN UP YOUR MESS! When you are finished painting clean your shit up. Workers check the lines of cars daily, if htey find evidence of graffiti being done there then they will report it. Take you spray cans with you, dont throw them 10 feet into the bush, if you spill paint of the ground kick it up. Make it look like the graffiti was on the train before it came into that yard.

Thirdly, DONT PAINT ON THE NUMBERS! Every train has its own set of numbers that it legaly has to have to be on the tracks. If you paint over these the rail company has to pay money to have them taken out of commission and to be restamped. This costs them a lot of money and makes them pissed at graffiti writers.

These are some basic rules to follow when painting trains. If you have any more information post it here.
yea, watch out for trains and another thing, watch out for those pickup truckes specially designed for the tracks.

i almost got caught by 1.

and also run under the train if u might get caught by something riding along ur side but BE SURE that the train that u go under is not gonna move for a couple minutes atleast. B)

[THANKful AKIH]

my line is easy no one even sprays there but me anyways they come in like 25's and stay there for a week then leave a day lata 25 more come. :lol: no heat to make no one cares if people spray them well i should say if i spray them. its tight :ph34r: :ph34r:

[st0n3dcr4k4]

sheeeeeeeeeeeit

[H0N3]

Originally posted by underworld busboy@May 3 2004, 12:39 AM
This is a topic that is often talked about on graffiti sites, but it is nto stressed enough. DO NOT HEAT OUT TRAINYARDS! All this does is create problems for evryone and could lead to you getting arrested or other writers.

First thing is first, DONT GET SEEN! This should be a no-brainer. If people see you going into a yard they may call the cops, especially if you have a backpack and look remotley suspicious. When you find a yard to paint in scope it out. Look for ways in and ways out, so if in event of evading somebody you have a quick escape. Also dont get seen by yard workers, they will are most likely to call the police on you because yo uare trespassing and vandelising their property.

Secondly, CLEAN UP YOUR MESS! When you are finished painting clean your shit up. Workers check the lines of cars daily, if htey find evidence of graffiti being done there then they will report it. Take you spray cans with you, dont throw them 10 feet into the bush, if you spill paint of the ground kick it up. Make it look like the graffiti was on the train before it came into that yard.

Thirdly, DONT PAINT ON THE NUMBERS! Every train has its own set of numbers that it legaly has to have to be on the tracks. If you paint over these the rail company has to pay money to have them taken out of commission and to be restamped. This costs them a lot of money and makes them pissed at graffiti writers.

These are some basic rules to follow when painting trains. If you have any more information post it here.
Also many people didnt know is that they have train police, well at least in America, which writers call bulls...they are usually in white suvs or trucks with out any sign of them being an officer but they have cuffs and guns so watch out...thats just my 2 pennies :D

[Haste]

Originally posted by Fate+Aug 24 2005, 02:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fate @ Aug 24 2005, 02:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ViKn@May 18 2004, 05:57 PM
and since no one said it, Do not paint over old streaks. some could be older than you are.
streaks? like the white hobo drawnigs done with meanstreaks? [/b][/quote]
if you don't know what a streak is then stay the fuck out of the yards
streaks are done by so many people other then hobo's. many writers do streaks and they don't have to be characters.
stay away from trains

[garvycat]

yo im moiving out to the middle of fuckin nowhere and i visited the place and there all the trains just siting out on the tracks like no conducter cna i hit that up and take my time or is there still going to be gards and shit

[_DESSA_]

Originally posted by garvycat@Aug 27 2005, 01:06 AM
yo im moiving out to the middle of fuckin nowhere and i visited the place and there all the trains just siting out on the tracks like no conducter cna i hit that up and take my time or is there still going to be gards and shit
if its inthe middle of nowhere where there is no writing scene its probably chill and you can take your time

[Haste]

i think the main question is are you good enough to be painting trains?

[The Mak DaDy Dak]

Originally posted by dice e.s.t.+Aug 24 2005, 08:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dice e.s.t. @ Aug 24 2005, 08:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-underworld busboy@May 3 2004, 12:39 AM
This is a topic that is often talked about on graffiti sites, but it is nto stressed enough. DO NOT HEAT OUT TRAINYARDS! All this does is create problems for evryone and could lead to you getting arrested or other writers.

First thing is first, DONT GET SEEN! This should be a no-brainer. If people see you going into a yard they may call the cops, especially if you have a backpack and look remotley suspicious. When you find a yard to paint in scope it out. Look for ways in and ways out, so if in event of evading somebody you have a quick escape. Also dont get seen by yard workers, they will are most likely to call the police on you because yo uare trespassing and vandelising their property.

Secondly, CLEAN UP YOUR MESS! When you are finished painting clean your shit up. Workers check the lines of cars daily, if htey find evidence of graffiti being done there then they will report it. Take you spray cans with you, dont throw them 10 feet into the bush, if you spill paint of the ground kick it up. Make it look like the graffiti was on the train before it came into that yard.

Thirdly, DONT PAINT ON THE NUMBERS! Every train has its own set of numbers that it legaly has to have to be on the tracks. If you paint over these the rail company has to pay money to have them taken out of commission and to be restamped. This costs them a lot of money and makes them pissed at graffiti writers.

These are some basic rules to follow when painting trains. If you have any more information post it here.
yea, watch out for trains and another thing, watch out for those pickup truckes specially designed for the tracks.

i almost got caught by 1.

and also run under the train if u might get caught by something riding along ur side but BE SURE that the train that u go under is not gonna move for a couple minutes atleast. B) [/b][/quote]
YOU ARE NUTS MAN !!!!! dont hide under trains if an engine comes to pick up that line of traains AND your are unde is gong to move 3 meters and posibly run u over!! rule number one man dont ever go under a train EVER!! you would rather die then get caught!!!! man never go under always over or around if possible

[zink-dt..]

security is tight in london yards. anyone no where i can find a layup in london?

[zink-dt..]

and do layups have buildings or is it just a peice of tracks 4 the trains to "sleep" lol?

[Mikey2008]

a layup usually dont have any large buildings maybe a saml on but no big warehouses....
and like that 1 guy said no matter what DONT EVER go under a train cos that can just randomy jup forwad up to a foot at a time....

[G-RAF]

LOL locomotive.. havent hearda that for a while now.. n yeh that cam ish is kinda good idea. haha to the guy goin under the train.. stupid as fuck.. if u ever survive laying dwn on the track, ull have to wait for too long till the end of the train pass over you.. bout i doubt that.. sum chain will probly be hangin n drag you to its destination...well least the remains of you.

[syrup2]

ay whast up with these "bulls" in america i aint seen train police but i herd of em tho most yards im killing got little heat but i think i have seen white suv's around

[G-RAF]

i say if there aint no fences, bring a bike or sumthin. better be a mountainbike so u can gear up/dwn
it helps if its stolen so u dont feel bad ditchign ti if u gotta climb on sumthin.

[moss1]

thanks for the tips!!!!!

[AEONONE]

also watch out for train hoppers, most are generally pretty nice but some will mug your ass for all you've got. if your area doesnt have much graff then thats what the bulls are usually looking for.

[b4t0g]

Originally posted by H0N3+Aug 26 2005, 07:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (H0N3 @ Aug 26 2005, 07:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-underworld busboy@May 3 2004, 12:39 AM
This is a topic that is often talked about on graffiti sites, but it is nto stressed enough. DO NOT HEAT OUT TRAINYARDS! All this does is create problems for evryone and could lead to you getting arrested or other writers.

First thing is first, DONT GET SEEN! This should be a no-brainer. If people see you going into a yard they may call the cops, especially if you have a backpack and look remotley suspicious. When you find a yard to paint in scope it out. Look for ways in and ways out, so if in event of evading somebody you have a quick escape. Also dont get seen by yard workers, they will are most likely to call the police on you because yo uare trespassing and vandelising their property.

Secondly, CLEAN UP YOUR MESS! When you are finished painting clean your shit up. Workers check the lines of cars daily, if htey find evidence of graffiti being done there then they will report it. Take you spray cans with you, dont throw them 10 feet into the bush, if you spill paint of the ground kick it up. Make it look like the graffiti was on the train before it came into that yard.

Thirdly, DONT PAINT ON THE NUMBERS! Every train has its own set of numbers that it legaly has to have to be on the tracks. If you paint over these the rail company has to pay money to have them taken out of commission and to be restamped. This costs them a lot of money and makes them pissed at graffiti writers.

These are some basic rules to follow when painting trains. If you have any more information post it here.
Also many people didnt know is that they have train police, well at least in America, which writers call bulls...they are usually in white suvs or trucks with out any sign of them being an officer but they have cuffs and guns so watch out...thats just my 2 pennies :D[/b][/quote]
Yea man, I was on the side of a locomotive that took me forever to even get the balls to climb up on and had finally started my outline when A truck had rolled up on the fuckin tracks. I had no idea how the hell he drove down the tracks. I couldn't see the color of the truck since it was nighttime, but i had to grab my shit and bounce. You gotta watch out for the rail police, i had no idea they existed.

[trance]

there was this dumbass that heated out the main place me n my homie go to paint trains, i fuckin penal code ass raped him

[WIZDUM]

Shut the fuck up with that penal code shit. It aint funny, noones laughing at that shit and nobody will ever laugh at that shit.

[magic nyc]

What I would do (cause I have yet to paint a train) is use masking tape to cover the numbers, then paint the train and peel the tape off leaving the numbers clean and not having to work around them.

[EGAD]

^piece of paper and tape, like a stencil

[levans]

i live in australia and fortunatley ive got an abondoned warhouse which is incredibly an old train yard. it used to be an old train depo but now its only 1 big ass warhouse with a shitload of old rusty trains in it

[cream soda]

your not fortunate...it would be a fun spot for sure...but yer shit wouldnt get seen....on a real train it would :)

[k1ng]

all i do is follow th train lines to find out were depots are

[KEMPer]

Shit I sleep under trains.

[Big TL Springs]

any body ever got some top to bottoms,,,

out in the forest a train usually stops at night,,, its begging for a whole car

[GBE]

I've never been in a train yard or bombed any trains, but I have heard about those "train police" that guard the tracks all night... One of my friends got chased by a couple of those through the yard and he had to hide on top of a train car (so he told me)...

[aslum666]

i only do trains when they stop somewhere along the tracks... alot easier to run... and last time i went into a yard i heard dogs barking and coming my way... mayb it wasnt in the yard but i didnt wait to see heh....


and word whats been said above... specially bout them numbers...
why didnt anyone think of wheat paste on tranes!! and another thing is if a dog starts barking when your tagging bark back that way cops and wokers will think it is just another dog.

[aslum666]

dude what the hobos in train yards are vampires and the only way to kill them is to tagg their eyes!!!

[aslum666]

I've never been in a train yard or bombed any trains, but I have heard about those "train police" that guard the tracks all night... One of my friends got chased by a couple of those through the yard and he had to hide on top of a train car (so he told me)...

i might try that heck i even have a ninja costume!! i could becom pink tagger ninja man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[aslum666]

my method of tagging is to go into the matrix and freeze time and kick random people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pharoah]

4 post in a row wtf are you doing

[mmmburgers]

lol quadruple post haha
ive painted a freight train before
it was awesome

[rave905]

[/b][/quote]
theres a layup right behind my school :D and its behind a forest so barely anybody can see you. i jsut keep a couple cans in my locker and go out at lunch or after school.[/QUOTE]

i dont think u should b paintin trains
infact kill yourself right now

[Pharoah]

your school is in a forest?

[fonone]

ok so i work in a freight yard as in, repairing and repainting freights and the only numbers you have to watch out for on them are the 7 numbers on the sides, front and back that are used to identify the train... there should be 6 numbers then a number in a box on the end, thats what you have to look out for. and on the front/doors it will have the wights etc, its best to leave these unless you can identify which ones are used in your country/state/whatever as in if theyre metric measurements or w/e and there will also be a small silver panel somewhere on the train that needs to be left alone :D. and yea.

[EgoZen]

Cool thread...
But you can tell all that in just a few words:
DON`T BE STUPID!

[Skeggi]

do you guys mostly use steplatters when painting, or what the hell? I happen to be on the short side, so I find it difficult to get my shit all the way up there, how do you do it?

[djsupreeme]

just grab a milk crate or somethin on ur way there.

[Skeggi]

it's pretty fucken diffcult to hold onto the sides of ridgys, and dragging a milk crate through the yard seems like kind of a pain in the ass, no offense, but, does anyone else have any ideas?

[DRIPS!]

go to your local pawn shop and pick up a premium jet pack that should do the trick

[BeesKnees]

dont go over numbers
dont go over reflectors or other similar things
dont touch the conductor car
dont leave a mess
dont tag in the yard, around the yard
dont cut the fences, climb them you lazy fuck
the smaller the yard the safer
DO NOT GO OVER STREAKS some of them are above almost any writer...Jase hit thousands of freights in a lifetime? Boxo Texino hit 40 000 a year for 40 years
your never gonna see a hobo so dont worry
stay to the shadows
ruining layups is worse then ruining yards, cause they just wont leave trains there anymore
dont worry about rail cops to much especially if there only one or 2 lines, and more than 5 minutes by train from a yard
and in general dont piss people off
and people who say throwups arent for trains are mad foolios
no one likes to see a toy car, but if your not going over anything we can live with it
go have fun
and if your short then trains arent for you

[illadelph]

Dudes Need To Learn To Spell So We All Could Understand What The Fuck They Mean!!!

[RUDE_Bwoy]

ok so i work in a freight yard as in, repairing and repainting freights and the only numbers you have to watch out for on them are the 7 numbers on the sides, front and back that are used to identify the train... there should be 6 numbers then a number in a box on the end, thats what you have to look out for. and on the front/doors it will have the wights etc, its best to leave these unless you can identify which ones are used in your country/state/whatever as in if theyre metric measurements or w/e and there will also be a small silver panel somewhere on the train that needs to be left alone :D. and yea.

since you work in a yard,how do i find out when a train stops by me.sometimes it does and sometimes it doesnt.cause i have no yrad round here.got any tips like when and where?

[letsg0skate]

I FINALLY found a yard, even though it's like an hour away by bus it's worth it. I went to it today to check it out, take some flicks, and do a few streaks, and it was so easy. It's weird though because the yard seems like it would be unbelievably heated, because there are tags like everywhere near the entrance and exit, and throws like all over the warehouse right next to it, but I only saw 1 worker the hour I was there, and it was pretty deep in the yard. Haha I'm really glad I read this thread though before I went because I almost pissed myself when the train right next to me started to hump (lol) then I remembered what it said. I think it's chill enough to paint in the day, because I did a bunch of streaks easy, so that might be my next mission

[mosezone]

i just found a freight yard, but i'm not really sure if there are tons of workers there or not. barely anybody in my city writes, so i doubt they would be on the look out for graffiti too much. anybody know if there are typically workers around 10-11 at night?

[Officer Don Eval]

just go one night to scope it out. u dont have to bring paint just go look around to make sure its chill

[408Bomber]

Does anyone have any good examples of thier work on a train?

[cheesegril]

i just found a freight yard, but i'm not really sure if there are tons of workers there or not. barely anybody in my city writes, so i doubt they would be on the look out for graffiti too much. anybody know if there are typically workers around 10-11 at night?


wait till its dark and just head into it. be quite once your in there DONT SHAKE CANS

[Officer Don Eval]

hey stok i saw ur shit last night hahaha.

[sir.one]

YOU^^

DONT SHAKE CANS

[Officer Don Eval]

u gotta when ur using tremclad and its cold out neeg. sorry i aint a mtn baller like you :*(

[Mime1]

MTN freeze up in the cold aswell , Belton works at all temperatures

[Yuckasfuck]

Belton works at all temperatures

True dat :cool:
Yo mime, where in scotland u from?

[Mime1]

Funny story , Im actually Australian and moved here aaaaaggggeesss ago , I live in a small city called Montrose, about half hour away from Dundee.

[Yuckasfuck]

Never heard of it :p
On here i think that makes 3 scottish writers atm lol, me u n hoes.
Apex n skem used to post n all

[thatkidyouknew]

we have about two yards here, and about 10 layups they stay for about a week then go. shitty thing is that we don't get auto racks but most of our lay ups get crushed by inner city bombers and cause our yards to be hot so no more lay ups unless its the ones in the woods that are kept secret but other then that all i have to say is dot act like a fucking retard in the train yards, don't bring weed and smoke it there, don't bring cell phones, if that helps bring don't people under 16 because they don't act right and try to paint where there is woods behind you so that way if some one spots you you can dip in the woods and get away, im lucky when it comes to painting in the yards if i see that they are changing the cars i just stick to streaks and point my cam at the train and act like i am a freight lover they just wave and smile, and also! if you haven't been witting longer then three years don't bother coming in the yards trust me all that waiting and practice is so worth it in the long run! trust me you dont want to see a shitty toy freight that you did a few years ago it fucks up your rep..... hope i said some wise words?

[RUP'E]

Your backyard.

That's all you're going to get. Nobody in their right mind would give up their spot. It's up to you to do the leg work.

two words... google-earth

[thatkidyouknew]

yeah i found a good lay up in bum fucked egypt by searching on google earth

[sour-tfk]

DONT EVER go under cars or climb over the coupler both are good ways to end your writing or walking career...

ALWAYS up the ladder and across the cat walk on the back of the car

[innerbleeding]

DONT EVER go under cars or climb over the coupler both are good ways to end your writing or walking career...

ALWAYS up the ladder and across the cat walk on the back of the car
too true many bad shit has happened in freight yards. limbs off, or dead. dont crawl inder the car. it could be shunted, roll, hell the driver could be attatched it and you never noticed. bam cut in half

[Buhda420]

another thing you should list is.

watch out for trains and hobo's trains can sneak up on you in the yard alot of people have been decapitated and had limbs amputated buy trains not a nice sight there is a webpage with tips about train yards but i dont think its graffiti related.
if a hobo can rome without being arested ina yard i should have no fucking problem then lol

[Tiros1]

...NO THROWIES ON FREIGHTS!!!
Pieces and streaks are a-ok and welcomed!!
Save the bombs and tags for walls etc...this is a personal aggrevation, other may enjoy seeing toycrap on metal but not i...




you're a faggot if you think throw-ups are toy


i know i'm cussing out the past, but this shit is dumb


some spots are not chill enough to piece at. there are yards that are in the middle of the city 2 minutes from downtown. you going to (a.) say "oh fuck, might as just not hit that cuz it's too hot to piece" or are you (b.)going to bomb that shit?

if you choose (a.) eat a bag of dicks and die in a chemical fire

[ObeyTheMustard]

damn it sucks for me becuase the yard closest to me is already a burn. theres cans laying all over, graff all over the building walls, tags on the electrical boxes and shit. i used to go almost every saturday, but i heard that a couple people got caught there, so now i wanna start going to a different yard. the only other yard that i kno for sure isnt a burn is about 30 min away from me :(

well your lucky because the only yard near me is about and hour away walking..
but imma buy some pocket bikes and ride up there :P

[shie-ster]

is their ussually more than 1 yard in a decent sized city? i only found 1 and its super sketchy, the bulls came after just a couple streaks.

[mmmburgers]

well this one time
me and my brother were staying on the country... with my cousin
for a week
so we decided to walk to the nearest town (about a 1 and half hour walk)
and we where walking on the tracks
there was a train parked there, so i grabbed a rock
then started carving a Kemist tag
then outa no where, a CN rail police truck pulls up
and they where like "HEY!!!, HEY!!!"
and i was like "...oh shit"
then he said "do you boys need a ride?"
and we where like "hells yes!"
then yeah, he drove us to the town
and i got someone to boot ciggeretes for me
shits mad awesome
it was fucking hot out that day,
but yeh, i thought he was gonna go ape on my ass for carving into the train
i lol'd after that
...good times

[HëRbN]

well your all lucky cause the nearest yard to me is like a 45 minute drive or more. So i have yet to go but one day after i perfect a good bomb i plan on going. Theres some other trains by me but there not the freight cars their the ones that carry sand to construction sites n shit. But i found where they load them with sand so i think i mite go and do some simps on em one of these nights.

[acereborn]

we never have trains where i live, its all about the transport trucks here.

[Capo Izi]

^Hit up a truck man...

[acereborn]

uhh... who said i dont?

[Capo Izi]

Ahh true. =P

[sik_bomber]

yards are bigger than layups. yards are where they move all the cars around and rearrange them into lines. they usually have a building or something to accompany them. layups are where trains just chill for a while, overnight or longer.
i live infront of a layup and i barely piece there. i do throws but there not toy so other writers dont care or they would be taggin " toy " over my shit again but i have since improved. its too activ i like to hit up a train while its parked outside the CN warehouse waiting to be fixed but it gets buffed.

[elapsone]

yo what do u guys do when ur out paintin a yard late at night and run into other writers?

[[phenom5]]

If they're toys, they'll probly say some gay shit to you and be all "let's bomb togetha and hold hands"

If they're any kinda writer at all, there's probly a good chance your going to get the shit kicked out of you for your paint.

[maso1]

;1082467']If they're toys, they'll probly say some gay shit to you and be all "let's bomb togetha and hold hands"

If they're any kinda writer at all, there's probly a good chance your going to get the shit kicked out of you for your paint.

Haha well said

[maso1]

Any Aussie writers in hear got tips on railcorp security around central station?

[JustanObserver]

Any Aussie writers in hear got tips on railcorp security around central station?

Pull a REVS ... this dude stole a rail workers outfit and bombed for years in the nyc tunnels and trains... untill they caught on ... he went down into the yards looking like a worker doing maintence when in reality the dude just painted forever untill he got into metal work .. but be smart about it .. find a way in... theres a highway/ billboard/ huge new concret wall being built in my city .. so all the workers have these neon vest and hard hats i racked a vest off a truck and i had the hard hat .. so i dressed the part of a construction worker and wondered the place for 2 hours untill some one said i looked young to be a worker and i agreed and said i was the site boss's kid ... and shortly left afterwards but now i know i have axcess to the site at any hour with out looking too suspisous

[CHUB]

I live next to a layup and i occaisonally bomb there, but i know a dude who goes every night. the place is usually chill at night cause all the workers leave at like 6, they dont even work there, theyre just port authority cause its next to a loading station on the river. so at night its chill, except for the the fact its like in the... i dont even know how to desribe it, its like a redneck ghetto. its right next to this swamp and a trailerpark , then a ghetto part of town right up the street. theres only one traincop that patrols there, and thats during the middle of the day. hes a pretty big guy so even if you got cought by him, you could easily out run him or if hes in the car, just dive into the patch of woods near by. One day me and my friend were taking a tour of the place( we had just discovered it) and the cop i was was telling you about above pulled up( we had been hitting the trains with mops so we put them away before he could see us) and i was sure he was going to flip a bitch, but he basically just told us to stay off the tracks and he offered to give us a ride back to town, it was pretty funny cause the tags on the trains were still dripping when he pulled up... haha dumbass.

he was hella cool about shit tho :P

[Rambooboo]

the only place trains stop is this place coveried wit barb wire called ampacet the only to get in is to crawl thru a field that is lit up by lites that after you crawl under the fence so its would be hard as hell to get away

[JustanObserver]

the only place trains stop is this place coveried wit barb wire called ampacet the only to get in is to crawl thru a field that is lit up by lites that after you crawl under the fence so its would be hard as hell to get away

bro all you need is the ablity to climb fences and a piece of carpet .. and your in ... climb the fence throw the carpet over the barb wire and you have the ablity to get over the fence in a safer manner.. then take it with you when you go back over the fence .. so u dont leave a hole in the fence ... they trans police would think your a ninja that hops fences in a single bound

[RUDE_Bwoy]

the only place trains stop is this place coveried wit barb wire called ampacet the only to get in is to crawl thru a field that is lit up by lites that after you crawl under the fence so its would be hard as hell to get away

its pretty easy to jump barb wire fence just depends on wat kind.or you could get bolt cutters

[acereborn]

but then that heats out the yard, which totally goes against this thread.

[RUDE_Bwoy]

i smell ya on that

[Rambooboo]

well i guess its ninja time

[maso1]

The council (in Australia is a government funded group who do road repairs and shit) are doing maintainence near my house might go steal myself a uniform now

[JustanObserver]

The council (in Australia is a government funded group who do road repairs and shit) are doing maintainence near my house might go steal myself a uniform now

maso1 if it is a government run like u said .. be careful casue they if you get caught they could call you a... this is gunna sound stuiped but they could call you a terriorst because you now would have axcess to trains that move 100's of people .. and they could suspect you of that kind of activity and idk about Oz but here in the us only older people get jobs like that .. but this could also be a bonus cause its gov funded .. you could say your an apprentice if you ever get caught ... idk just be smart and use commen sense .....good luck ..

[Soboe!]

Here's a tip that was posted up whent he old forums were here...I think it was Bee who said it. Never Ever Ever Paint on the locomotives...sticke to the trailing cars...hitting the main car will piss everyone off and make them look that much harder for people.

Also, Don't go on a killing spree and hit every car in a line. This will also heat out a yard because trains are often moved around once they reach a destination. if the workers notice the same looking thing painted on every train on a line, it's a good indication that the yard the train is in is tha yard that was painted and extra security will probably be added to the area.

then Jase is a mad heat bag haha
he hits like every car every time he goes

[harley.]

http://www.deadtrainbums.com/causes/ ok here it is check it out. if you have a weak stomach dont look at the picutres. if you enjoy reading about people dieing and looking at pictures of peoples bodys 10 feet from there head with a huge blood trail than this is your site.
the link duznt lead to the site :(

[skunkerspunkers]

just ask. i live down the street from a conrail yard, and the could give two damns if i did it or not. they really dont mind, just dont be a dick about it.

[hammer_time]

Beyond keeping spots chill..
SAFETY
i would like to post some safety tips that are very important alot of this is quoted from a combination of other posts but is really good stuff to know...


HUMPING. No, not that kind. In the fr8 world humping is a process used to break up trains and sort, or "classify", the individual cars and get them to the right tracks in a yard. Basically, the train is driven backwards a short distance, and they slam on the brakes. At the same moment a brakeman jogs alongside the moving train and throws a lever that uncouples a car or group of cars at the end of the train. These cars fly off on their own momentum down the track that has been selected for them, with no brakes, and they don't stop till they run out of inertia, or until they hit other cars parked on that line (the BOOM!!! sound you may hear from your local yard). Freight cars can safely collide at 5mph or less, they just lock onto each other at the coupler; sometimes a crew that's in a hurry to hump off a train will send them faster than 5mph, though.
This raises several safety issues: One, a train that is backing up, or cars that have been humped off, can run you down without you ever hearing an engine. In a dark or foggy yard, those drifting cars (called "ramblers") can go a surprising distance, and sometimes are very quiet despite their size, so they can sneak up on you. The danger is magnified if you are standing in a noisy spot (near another locomotive, or one of those reefer cars with the loud compressor running all the time, or anything else) that could mask the sound of an approaching rambler.
Two, you might be on or painting a car that gets hit by a line of ramblers. It will slam them into motion suddenly. If you're climbing on a car and don't have a good handgrip, you could become the next photo at www.deadtrainbums.com . When ramblers hit a motionless line, it's like a cueball hitting another ball in pool: the force gets transferred to the object ball, and when you're talking forty tons per car that translates into some serious slamming power even at low speeds.
So in general: assume EVERY track is live, that something may come at any time. NEVER climb underneath a freight car for any reason. If you have to cross a line, assume it could slam into motion any second. Don't climb over the coupler, cross using the handy ladders and walkways at the ends of most cars. If the car you want to cross doesn't have a walkway on the back, cross somewhere else. Don't stand in between cars in a line, or less than twenty feet from the last car in a line. Basically, don't stand ANYWHERE you could be hit if ALL the trains around you started moving at the same time. Don't climb onto the tops of railcars. Don't attempt a big project involving ladders, like an e2e or wholecar, until you are a veteran of A) yards in general and the particular spot you want to try something ambitious at (and those projects are best reserved for chill, lonely layups, not yards).
A lot of this sounds pretty anal. You might already have prowled yards not knowing any of this and still not had a problem. The tricky thing is, 9 out of 10 times none of this shit will happen, but if you spend enough time in yards you will personally experience all of these things, and that 1 out of 10 can be fatal if you didn't know in advance. You can also get complacent after several uneventful trips. Don't do it. Be safe in the yards, and tell all your writer friends what you know about this.

AIR. This is more of a timing issue than a safety issue. Any car you are about to paint should be quiet underneath, that is, no hissing noise. If the car is hissing steadily from underneath, the train will have a locomotive hooked to it and they are "getting up air", which means they will be leaving soon, so just bomb or do a hollow or save your paint for another line. If a line rolls up near you, stops, and then a huge blast of compressed air is heard, like a giant sneezing, that line just "dynamited" and will be there for a while, long enough to piece at least.
Trains need to get up compressed air to release the brakes on each car. It is pumped back from the engine via those hoses you see connecting the cars by the coupler. It takes a while to get up sufficient or "legal" air on a long train. If you were painting a quiet train and then you hear that hiss, finish up quickly, it's gonna roll away soon. The longer the train the more time you have to finish but not by much so just get it done. In yards, sometimes a dead string needs the air bled out of it. If you hear a few distant hisses, one after the other at ten or twenty second intervals, and getting louder each time, get under cover. A brakeman is walking the entire line, letting the air out of each car as he goes

trains use radios for about 80% of all communication. There is a system called the block system, in which a moving train can tell whether or not the next block of track is occupied or not by the signal lights. Littlejohn says the blocks are about two miles in length, but out in the boondocks, a block is a lot bigger than two miles. Engineers look out the right side of trains, so the signals to the right are the ones telling him what to do. If the signal is red, it means stop, and stand. If the train gets a "stop but proceed slowly" signal, it will be red with a smaller signal light off to the side and lower. Yellow means "Proceed with caution". Green means "Go ahead." The signals change according to what the trains are doing on the track. If there is a train in the block behind you, he will be getting a yellow "proceed with caution" while you will be getting a "green--clear track ahead" signal


thats it for this post ill dig up more later

[hammer_time]

sorry for the double post but this is called critical mass, a post from 12oz from a member called Cracked Ass..seerious knowledge heed the word

Graffiti itself to many who do it is a reckless, rampaging "fuck you" to anyone watching or listening, so the idea of using foresight and intelligence to make life easier for yourself or others is a foreign one. Make no mistake, these are the good old days of freight graffiti, the years everyone in the game will remember most fondly: for their chillness, the names, the styles, the feeling of being part of the next big wave of rolling canvases since the suppression of the NYC subways. Did anyone doing trains in 1980 suspect they had less than ten years till the scene died down to almost nothing?
What did it take to kill the New York subways? A bunch of factors converged. A couple of mayors harping on "quality of life" issues. Public ignorance of how the scene worked was a bigger factor than anybody gives it credit for, in my opinion. The public made no distinction between piecers with a vision, like Dondi, and gangs whose thing was busting out subway windows and fucking with passengers. They were all lumped together as one big "bad element", and dealt with by people with that mentality.
What will it take to kill the freight scene? "Critical mass", a bunch of factors converging, some of them seemingly unrelated. First of all, it will take years, although I think we have less of those than everyone else thinks. Also, it will be a death by degrees - it's not that there will be a day when nothing will run, it will just be harder to get over, and harder to find a spot where you have time to do more than small stuff.
Everything plays a role in achieving critical mass. Painting over numbers on freights. Bombing engines. Leaving cans for workers to trip over. Increased general security after 9/11, especially regarding chemical/hazmat shipments and bulletins to workers to be alert for suspicious persons. Innovations in trespasser detection technology, and a drop in price in this equipment, such that yards get much harder to work with. Continuing capitalist philosophy that property is worth more than people ensures the hiring of more security personnel and the building of more fences, lights, cameras, etc. at layups as well as yards. Pissed off railfans forming watch groups in league with the railroad companies themselves, for a more "community policing" approach to dealing with writers, burglars, and random vandals and trespassers (who, again, are often lumped together as all the same in the eyes of the property owners). Independent companies offering fast turnaround and low cost on buffing/restamping painted cars (this is already happening).
The swing vote will be railroad workers when it comes to the life or death of the scene. They are the guys most likely to discover writers or their spots, and they have the power to let it slide or report it and put heat on the spot and the scene. Being nice to workers (in ways that count) is the number one thing any writer can do to delay critical mass. That means staying off the numbers, not painting engines or other RR equipment besides the freight cars, and disposing of your empty cans elsewhere. The empty cans issue is not a "don't litter" thing - it's a safety issue. Workers have to run alongside moving trains and throw a lever to uncouple cars, or mount and dismount moving trains, and they don't need to be landing on round, slippery cans.
Every small thing you do that you hear freight heads advising against contributes a little bit toward critical mass. I hear all kinds of excuses. "Well yards out here are already burnt so why not hit engines." You might not notice a difference in security in your area. But you are having your effect. Workers, railfans, management, internet toys are all paying attention. If one worker gets killed tripping over a paint can and falling under a train, that one incident will do a lot of damage, create a lot of anger. If enough company logos on engines disappear beneath pieces, railfans will start banding together with RRs to police spots better. Toys come on the Net and see stupid behavior and copy it, heating up more and more spots from the city to the cuts. They might also pay too little attention to yard/train safety and get killed trying to paint, which could spark some reporter doing a "spotlight" story on kids and freight painting that gets play. (I'm still waiting for a movie or book to drop which blows up the scene by portraying it fictionally.) All of this shit contributes to critical mass.
I think some heads secretly want the scene to be much harder in a few years, so they can enjoy their "back in the day" king status, like the subway kings can now. Others, like me, would rather spread the word about how to make it last longer. I'm not one to tell people what to do without offering logical reasons - "you shouldn't hit engines or go over numbers" - I'd rather make people aware of the consequences, and let them make their own decisions. I know I'll do what I can to delay critical mass. I hope others can see their own role and make an informed decision about how to handle their spots and situations.

[sour-tfk]

bump the hell outta the last two posts, word
this should be stickied, SUPER important info up there^^^^

[hammer_time]

word thnx

most of the info is stolen tho :)

[VAT83LE]

now i live in a relatively small town with no yard, but sometimes trains go by and stay for about 30 minutes at his spot. the engine is still running and shit but the thing in usually fucking long so would it be ok to hit that parts that are far away from the driver or should i hit them in the night or something casue its like a long straight away and i mightbe noticeable

[keenur]

hit them everytime theyre there man .. day or night .. and if it a long straight part of track just go bout 10 cars back from the locomotives .. id also recommend following those tracks for a bit if i were you just walk like 10 hours one way and see where that gets yah .. then come back and walk 10 hours the other way another day .. in case there is a yard or a better spot that you may not know about !!

peace!

[LAN3YFS]

fuck yes i hit trains.. better than bombin or walls.. so

[hammer_time]

now i live in a relatively small town with no yard, but sometimes trains go by and stay for about 30 minutes at his spot. the engine is still running and shit but the thing in usually fucking long so would it be ok to hit that parts that are far away from the driver or should i hit them in the night or something casue its like a long straight away and i mightbe noticeable

as keenur said just go about 10-20 cars back, the farther back, the safer, and if you arent familiar with trains, you shouldnt get that close to them at night.....also, it was mentioned, that you may want to walk the tracks, good idea, walk the direction it is usually faceing when its stopped, you might just have a lay up or small yard a mile or 2 up the tracks...

[LAN3YFS]

just ask. i live down the street from a conrail yard, and the could give two damns if i did it or not. they really dont mind, just dont be a dick about it.

are you saying you walk up and ask if you can paint on the train? if they said no wich they probly would but you and everyone else thier would be fucked cuase then they'd have hard security.. luckly for me we have like 4 diffrent layups in little ol small town copenhagen cow wrelsters and pig fuckers.. :P :D

[freka]

in england ews freight dont have numbers why?

[1nOnly Baze]

found a new yard thats a 40 mniuite train ride from me could be worth it though gunna go and and scope it out i could be onto something :)
ok ill be waiting there to arrest you...

seriously. youre makin the cops job so easy.

[EgoZen]

Great post Hammertime..
Luckily the freight trains aren`t on rails with electricity..

[Klaz]

ok ill be waiting there to arrest you...

seriously. youre makin the cops job so easy.

word.


i dont get why people hear about all these kids gettin shifted by cops because of myspace, 12oz, flickr, facebook etc.

yet think Bombing Science is invisible to police or something.

THINK!!!


also, great post hammertime, that applies to yards everywhere. the amount of toys in this city that have baited out the lay-ups just so they can do their shitty hollow, shit handstyle...on one car........with a marker....boo!!

[simple zen]

is walking the tracks during the middle of the day just to look at graffiti a bad idea? i've gotten glances and second looks from workers around there but they don't really do anything.

[hammer_time]

if your there JUST to look for/at graff, maybe if you got a streak, you'll probably be fine, depending on the level of activity near you. That said, you could possibly get a criminal trespass, so if you can, just stay as off the tracks as possible, you know like 5-10 feet away from the base of where the rail rocks stop, at least, that should discourage them from hassleing you

[...Syerf]

Beyond keeping spots chill..
SAFETY
i would like to post some safety tips that are very important alot of this is quoted from a combination of other posts but is really good stuff to know...


HUMPING. No, not that kind. In the fr8 world humping is a process used to break up trains and sort, or "classify", the individual cars and get them to the right tracks in a yard. Basically, the train is driven backwards a short distance, and they slam on the brakes. At the same moment a brakeman jogs alongside the moving train and throws a lever that uncouples a car or group of cars at the end of the train. These cars fly off on their own momentum down the track that has been selected for them, with no brakes, and they don't stop till they run out of inertia, or until they hit other cars parked on that line (the BOOM!!! sound you may hear from your local yard). Freight cars can safely collide at 5mph or less, they just lock onto each other at the coupler; sometimes a crew that's in a hurry to hump off a train will send them faster than 5mph, though.
This raises several safety issues: One, a train that is backing up, or cars that have been humped off, can run you down without you ever hearing an engine. In a dark or foggy yard, those drifting cars (called "ramblers") can go a surprising distance, and sometimes are very quiet despite their size, so they can sneak up on you. The danger is magnified if you are standing in a noisy spot (near another locomotive, or one of those reefer cars with the loud compressor running all the time, or anything else) that could mask the sound of an approaching rambler.
Two, you might be on or painting a car that gets hit by a line of ramblers. It will slam them into motion suddenly. If you're climbing on a car and don't have a good handgrip, you could become the next photo at www.deadtrainbums.com . When ramblers hit a motionless line, it's like a cueball hitting another ball in pool: the force gets transferred to the object ball, and when you're talking forty tons per car that translates into some serious slamming power even at low speeds.
So in general: assume EVERY track is live, that something may come at any time. NEVER climb underneath a freight car for any reason. If you have to cross a line, assume it could slam into motion any second. Don't climb over the coupler, cross using the handy ladders and walkways at the ends of most cars. If the car you want to cross doesn't have a walkway on the back, cross somewhere else. Don't stand in between cars in a line, or less than twenty feet from the last car in a line. Basically, don't stand ANYWHERE you could be hit if ALL the trains around you started moving at the same time. Don't climb onto the tops of railcars. Don't attempt a big project involving ladders, like an e2e or wholecar, until you are a veteran of A) yards in general and the particular spot you want to try something ambitious at (and those projects are best reserved for chill, lonely layups, not yards).
A lot of this sounds pretty anal. You might already have prowled yards not knowing any of this and still not had a problem. The tricky thing is, 9 out of 10 times none of this shit will happen, but if you spend enough time in yards you will personally experience all of these things, and that 1 out of 10 can be fatal if you didn't know in advance. You can also get complacent after several uneventful trips. Don't do it. Be safe in the yards, and tell all your writer friends what you know about this.

AIR. This is more of a timing issue than a safety issue. Any car you are about to paint should be quiet underneath, that is, no hissing noise. If the car is hissing steadily from underneath, the train will have a locomotive hooked to it and they are "getting up air", which means they will be leaving soon, so just bomb or do a hollow or save your paint for another line. If a line rolls up near you, stops, and then a huge blast of compressed air is heard, like a giant sneezing, that line just "dynamited" and will be there for a while, long enough to piece at least.
Trains need to get up compressed air to release the brakes on each car. It is pumped back from the engine via those hoses you see connecting the cars by the coupler. It takes a while to get up sufficient or "legal" air on a long train. If you were painting a quiet train and then you hear that hiss, finish up quickly, it's gonna roll away soon. The longer the train the more time you have to finish but not by much so just get it done. In yards, sometimes a dead string needs the air bled out of it. If you hear a few distant hisses, one after the other at ten or twenty second intervals, and getting louder each time, get under cover. A brakeman is walking the entire line, letting the air out of each car as he goes

trains use radios for about 80% of all communication. There is a system called the block system, in which a moving train can tell whether or not the next block of track is occupied or not by the signal lights. Littlejohn says the blocks are about two miles in length, but out in the boondocks, a block is a lot bigger than two miles. Engineers look out the right side of trains, so the signals to the right are the ones telling him what to do. If the signal is red, it means stop, and stand. If the train gets a "stop but proceed slowly" signal, it will be red with a smaller signal light off to the side and lower. Yellow means "Proceed with caution". Green means "Go ahead." The signals change according to what the trains are doing on the track. If there is a train in the block behind you, he will be getting a yellow "proceed with caution" while you will be getting a "green--clear track ahead" signal


thats it for this post ill dig up more later

bumpp!
they should seriously have like a "graffiti saftey" thread, thats locked so only people can read, and mods can add to when they see suffice

[hammer_time]

yea i agree

[simple zen]

so if push comes to shove and they see me walking the track and police get involved, could i just say that i was walking to get to road X or whatever the fuck? i could say i didn't know because the trespassing signs were tagged up. idk... but i do this frequently, in the middle of the day. take a bus to the tracks, drink a brew, smoke an L, smoke a port, look at graff...

[hammer_time]

thats basically what i have said the couple times ive been asked. We have a foot bridge that goes over the yard, and i told em' i was just too lazy to walk all the way to the proper crossing, and i was told to be careful, i informed him i always am, he told me to have a good evening...
as for the signs, you didnt see em'. Just be a stand up guy and they'll probably be pretty cool.

[simple zen]

i just wouldn't want the tracks getting heated because i chill around there sometimes during the day. i love watching trains go by, smelling the metal. too bad most of the trains are tri rail shit trains and not freights.

[olive]

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[Baron]

Hey ive been to the tracks around here a few times but its not a station or a docking yard its a depot. The trains come in and go out, sometimes in under an hour. Its busy all hours of the day it seems like. So i have the question, how often are thses patroled? I haven't seen any patrols roaming them when i go there but there are tire tracks of the bulls on one side of the tracks.

[framin-It]

in my experince, know your yard, know ways in out, what time people walk the track and try to get an idea when the ferights leave, and come in. just be smart with it. start with hands, and then some throws on them, then when you know your yard, pieces them.

[immoral]

I have a local yard not too far from me with well over a thousand freights in it at one time in anygiven day.

Luckily I've had experience before with train lines and there is no evidence of a soul that has once painted there before.

The only problem with the place is the constant bombarding of trains left and right.
I can say that they are right when they say hold on tight when crossing over the ladders.
I almost fell inbetween two freight cars when crossing over, luckily I was far enough over that I just fell down to the ground away from the cars.

It surely gave me a scare and out of respect, I went and killed the yard and just did tags and throws throughout a period of eight hours.


Paint safe

[immoral]

Hey ive been to the tracks around here a few times but its not a station or a docking yard its a depot. The trains come in and go out, sometimes in under an hour. Its busy all hours of the day it seems like. So i have the question, how often are thses patroled? I haven't seen any patrols roaming them when i go there but there are tire tracks of the bulls on one side of the tracks.

The best thing to do in this situation is to go with nothing but a camera and maybe a solified if you want.
Just bench the yard the whole day and check out the scene and take notes.
Literally bring pen and paper.


Also, unless someone wants to for me, I'll post a chart of what the train horns mean when they sound off in spurts and repititions.

[Sadistic.Child]

please post that horn shit

[immoral]

Signals are illustrated by an "o" for short sounds, and "-" for longer sounds.

Sequence What it means
Succession of short sounds Used when an emergency exists, or if persons or livestock are on the track.
– When train is stopped. The air brakes are applied and pressure is equalized.
– – Train releases brakes and proceeds.
o o Acknowledgment of any signal not otherwise provided for.
o o o When train is stopped: means backing up, or acknowledgment of a hand signal to back up.
o o o o Request for a signal to be given or repeated if not understood.
– o o o Instruction for flagman to protect rear of train.
– – – – Flagman return from the west or south.
– – – – – Flagman return from the east or north.
– – o – Train is approaching public grade crossing(s). This is known as Rule 14L in almost all railroad operating rules.
– o Inspect the brake system for leaks or sticking brakes.


[edit] Other whistle codes
Not all railroads use the exact same whistle signals or assign the same meanings. Some railroads will use their own variations of the above. A few of the signals are obsolete because the workers they were used to communicate with (such as flagman) are now obsolete.

In Norway, for example, the following whistle signals are used:

One short: Stand by or general acknowledgment.
Two short: Apply/increase manual brakes.
Three short: Apply manual brakes to stop the train as soon as possible.
One long: Approaching railroad station or blind curve.
One long, one short: Decrease manual brakes. When repeated, decrease brakes fully.
One long, two short: Prepared for change of tracks, crossing and/or other situations that necessitates a gentle approach.
Multiple short: Danger.
In Finland, the following are some of the signals used:

One short: Engine is starting forward.
Two short: Engine about to run backwards.
One long, one short: Warning, used before arriving to a crossing.
Three long: Danger.

[noxi]

Thats some good shit. Good post.

[immoral]

Thank you

I memorised that chart so now everytime I am in the yards I know what the train I am painting is doing, or about to do
It really comes in handy when out there in the middle of a yard =]

[PAWS85]

are those train signals international? I live in south africa and bombing trains is mad, for example in the us if u get caught bombing trains u get a fat fine, not sure if im right but in sa if u get as much as spotted by a security guard they shoot at u...... and whoeva said dont put up throwies on a train, go to hell, there no rules to bombing trains, if u like wat i put up then thanx, if u dont then fuck u i dont care, its more along the lines of that...... peace

ps here r some bombed trains from sa
mostly riot's work

[fi50]

y do ppl in the us just paint freights, y not passenger trains also, commuter trains is were its at..

[dahub.com.au]

As if you would steal that from an American forum.

What kind of toy ass biting is that?

[PeeInTheShower]

y do ppl in the us just paint freights, y not passenger trains also, commuter trains is were its at..

because it's not worth getting arrested for something that's going to get cleaned in two days tops.

[planetaryduality]

only got freights in the sticks

[Terrible N]

because it's not worth getting arrested for something that's going to get cleaned in two days tops.Shit depends on where you live. NY or Chi-Town or pretty much all of the US will clean it off. Europe seems to have a problem,though. I'd take advantage of it.

[JayAyDubZed]

Don't be so judgmental about hobos haha.
I went to the tracks not so long ago and there was one sleeping there and he woke up and look at us then went back to sleep.
Not a problem.

[SNAP!]

i give hobos cigs to keep lookout..

good times

[Vicks]

because it's not worth getting arrested for something that's going to get cleaned in two days tops.

worst shit i've ever heard. here in melbourne, nearly 90% of painted steel are unseen(cleaned before running) yet people keep smashing. as long as you snap a picture and got a thick photo album under your belt, it doesn't matter..

[Mr yarbles]

Trust me hobos don't want to be seen
I;ve met one or two in random places most of them are pretty nice really
Just pitch them a few bucks or some shit just to be nice.

also don't take your camera if you're gonna paint

[670379127]

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[Slant One]

Yo I heard In Some Cities They Got Cops Dressed Up Like Hobo's To Catch People Gettin Up In Yards

[jewsus]

Pulling a Redlight is another option for writers who are ready to hit the steel. You get jack shit time though unfortunately. Good for run ups and throwies.

[neb3636]

Signals are illustrated by an "o" for short sounds, and "-" for longer sounds.

Sequence What it means
Succession of short sounds Used when an emergency exists, or if persons or livestock are on the track.
– When train is stopped. The air brakes are applied and pressure is equalized.
– – Train releases brakes and proceeds.
o o Acknowledgment of any signal not otherwise provided for.
o o o When train is stopped: means backing up, or acknowledgment of a hand signal to back up.
o o o o Request for a signal to be given or repeated if not understood.
– o o o Instruction for flagman to protect rear of train.
– – – – Flagman return from the west or south.
– – – – – Flagman return from the east or north.
– – o – Train is approaching public grade crossing(s). This is known as Rule 14L in almost all railroad operating rules.
– o Inspect the brake system for leaks or sticking brakes.


[edit] Other whistle codes
Not all railroads use the exact same whistle signals or assign the same meanings. Some railroads will use their own variations of the above. A few of the signals are obsolete because the workers they were used to communicate with (such as flagman) are now obsolete.

In Norway, for example, the following whistle signals are used:

One short: Stand by or general acknowledgment.
Two short: Apply/increase manual brakes.
Three short: Apply manual brakes to stop the train as soon as possible.
One long: Approaching railroad station or blind curve.
One long, one short: Decrease manual brakes. When repeated, decrease brakes fully.
One long, two short: Prepared for change of tracks, crossing and/or other situations that necessitates a gentle approach.
Multiple short: Danger.
In Finland, the following are some of the signals used:

One short: Engine is starting forward.
Two short: Engine about to run backwards.
One long, one short: Warning, used before arriving to a crossing.
Three long: Danger.

Do you know if there is a sequence that means the train is coming to a stop?

[neb3636]

bump

[TrandomnesstwO]

Um,fuck,just discovered a small yard,should be heading there tonight.

[ReKoNe~!]

Yo I heard In Some Cities They Got Cops Dressed Up Like Hobo's To Catch People Gettin Up In Yards

city of new radius

[Slant One]

I'd Like To Live In That City Graffiti Everywere

[Sect10]

My three yards r pretty chill. Two r in the country, daytime spots!!! The one thats hot, the only reason its hot is because of toys tagging shit around there. Respect ur spots ppl. If its not tagged up, dont fucking tag it!!! Get in paint and get the fuck out. Also watch the tree lights theres three on each side, they should all be red, if u see a yellow that usually means they r coming into the yard to switch or drop some shit if u see green that means they r just passing through. Either way its best not to be seen. I had a close call last week . . . found out the next day i was laid up in some poison ivy lol Do recon ppl, dont run up in spots ur not familiar with. Was feelin ballsy one night not too long ago got rolled on by conrail hitting auto racks off the 1-9 in jersey city.

[Aesir]

^Don't say where spots are.