9-11 Conspiracy.

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

well, after clicking on a link in some1s sig i came across a video documenting the attack on the WTC's
the following videos show the truth. that there was explosives inside the towers, that goverment officials told important people not to fly and that only 14 jets were left because of a "training" mission. loads more evidance in there programs.
explosions proof - http://youtube.com/watch?v=oVzQfa_V1jw&mode=related&search=
loose change pt 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGEb40o17yE...related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGEb40o17yE&mode=related&search=)
pt 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOVWBQKUpsU...related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOVWBQKUpsU&mode=related&search=)
pt 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtV1uxYnu0w...related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtV1uxYnu0w&mode=related&search=)
hundreds of flawless videos.
http://belowgroundsurface.org/


i belive that this was an inside job. all the evidance points towards a planned, known attack, the most disturbing video is the loose change. it makes u tremble with fear. the proof they have is flawless. 20 years of goverment planned terrorism.

[AbEc187]

yea i saw that shit loose change is ill that videos wat got me into bombing hardcore fuck the system VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!!

[clockworkfuse]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

fuck you guys im with him^

[segway]

yeah, read the loose change guide and the popular mechanics jammy at the bottom of that page

[PureSole]

Yep. More people believe it each day, beware, loose change is flawed as hell

And prepared to get flamed by people on the board

Search for illuminati and videos
lonelanternsociety is a good site, google it ;)
I think Gesus or Foe or havik can hit yall with some links too

[E-Terror]

whats so fucking hard to believe about a group people from a country that absolutely despises ours, coming over here and hijacking 4 planes at a time when airline security was very lax, and crashing them into important buildings of ours?

shit like that happens all the time in other places, just on smaller scales and with different vehicals.

everyone hates america, fucking deal with it.

[PureSole]

Originally posted by E-Terror@Sep 1 2006, 05:58 PM
whats so fucking hard to believe about a group people from a country that absolutely despises ours, coming over here and hijacking 4 planes at a time when airline security was very lax, and crashing them into important buildings of ours?

shit like that happens all the time in other places, just on smaller scales and with different vehicals.

everyone hates america, fucking deal with it.
Well, they did
But in conjunction with our governement
No government stands down so many major defense systems as a "Drill" on the exact same day

[clockworkfuse]

the government wasn't behind this at all. they had no purpose in doing it. if they wanted an excuse to go to irag and take the oil. they would have used " we want the fuckin oil" ... thats kinda a different war/country. but they;re both middle eastern so ill link them

[E-Terror]

well, if it is indeed a conspiracy, its definately not about oil at all

its more about thinning the heard, so to speak

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

sorry clockwork, doesnt work like that, goverment need reasons so everyone rides there dicks and think their the best. systems fucked, live with it.

[E-Terror]

dosent work that way either broheim

[AoAssis]

Originally posted by clockworkfuse@Sep 1 2006, 07:22 PM
the government wasn't behind this at all. they had no purpose in doing it. if they wanted an excuse to go to irag and take the oil. they would have used " we want the fuckin oil" ... thats kinda a different war/country. but they;re both middle eastern so ill link them
Our government has never been that straight up with us. Never will be.

[morningglory]

BLABLABLA! lock this.

Fact is: none of us know. Those conspirational theorist as we call them talk shit out their ass, and the media feeds you recycled shit. Either way both have flaws in what they said and neither are telling the truth, they are buying in on hype.

Chances are that the goverment knew it was going to happen. Actually no they did know it. But not the when where exactly how. Had been suspecting planes used as missiles for years. It's been done before a few times. But what are they going todo? Close all the airports for the rest of eternity? Be serious...

[NOMX]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

[newbornsek]

"bin laden"-immortal technique
cop that track yall

[wordzcantexpress]

bin laden didn't blow up the projects it was you ***** tell the truth *****, bush knocked down down the towers

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

hmm waste ur views are unclear slightly. e-terror no idea wut u mean and aoasiossis my countrys goverment licks ur's ass so its one big load of balls

[SUNK!]

Originally posted by clockworkfuse@Sep 1 2006, 07:22 PM
the government wasn't behind this at all. they had no purpose in doing it. if they wanted an excuse to go to irag and take the oil. they would have used " we want the fuckin oil" ... thats kinda a different war/country. but they;re both middle eastern so ill link them
There were many many many more factors that play into the events in and out of our country over the past 7 years than just oil. I'm sure oil is part of it, but our government doesn't just want oil. They want everything. Not saying they want to run the world in total, but I am saying that they want their hands in a little bit of everything. just enough to keep us thinking we can make change, and just enough to prevent that change.

register green, and vote for the lesser of two evils.
know your shit, and never think you know it all.
learning never stops, and information is free.

[NOMX]

go watch pen and tellers bullshit episode about conspiracy theories

[AoAssis]

Originally posted by SUNK!@Sep 1 2006, 07:45 PM
information is free.
Not always, how about those things at fairs where you squeeze the handle and it tells you how strong you are like " weak, ok, hot, beefy, stud"

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

nomx have u even watched it, its very fucking convincing.

[Slushi]

there is no 9-11 conspiracy you dipshits.

[SUNK!]

Originally posted by AoAssis+Sep 1 2006, 07:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AoAssis @ Sep 1 2006, 07:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-SUNK&#33;@Sep 1 2006, 07:45 PM
information is free.
Not always, how about those things at fairs where you squeeze the handle and it tells you how strong you are like " weak, ok, hot, beefy, stud" [/b][/quote]
Haha, ok, so sometimes it cost&#39;s a buck-o-five&#33;

[newbornsek]

"bin laden" - immortal technique
again for u fuckers,
get this song

[yakrian]

I make Thermite in my garage...Aluminum Oxide. Shit works like a charm when you got a car to destroy. :D

[NOMX]

Originally posted by &#045;=AgA=&#045;TrAnCe@Sep 1 2006, 07:48 PM
nomx have u even watched it, its very fucking convincing.
i know what its gonna be about, people come up with shit excuses for that they dont understand, watch pen and teller and u will think that shit is retarded

[E-Terror]

i make doodoo in my butt. shit works like a charm when you got a toilet to destroy, literally. :D

[E-Terror]

oh, i almost forgot, fuck FEMA

[war terror]

Originally posted by newbornsek@Sep 1 2006, 07:40 PM
"bin laden"-immortal technique
cop that track yall
def... 9-11 was covered by the government,,, easily... the tried to cover waco... why not 9-11

[E-Terror]

who gives a fuck?

its not like youre gonna stop New World Order from happening

honestly, if 9-11 was a conspiracy, they country would have been put under the highest alert level and put into a state of "national emergency" durring which FEMA would have gained controll of the country throwing it into a state of martial law, and i&#39;d be in a small shelter in the woods with a gun right now, not in my house posting on BS

[yakrian]

I can&#39;t believe you people...Ya&#39;ll get so hyped up over shit.

9/11 Happened. People died, cried, wrote songs, and moved the fuck on. I&#39;ve got better things to do with my life than run around wondering who really made 9/11 happen. Who cares, it happened. Life sucks, get a fuckin&#39; helmet. Aight?

[FuLa]

I think that loose change is bullshit but they do bring up some important points...for example the explosions in the towers..cnn, abc, nbc,....every news reporter at the spot was saying "we&#39;re hearing explosions"....and we haven&#39;t heard anything official except for bullshit excuses that don&#39;t make sence...


also the part where they show other buildings in history which have burned for hours and hours and had 1/5000th the size and structure/stability of the twin towers...


third...what would bush&#39;s presidency be without these attacks?....NOTHING...0000....that&#39;s pretty interesting, he hasn&#39;t dealt with any other issue but war and terrorism in his whole term. so his presidency pretty much is based upon a terrorist attack.

[SALVO]

Shut up Fula no one axed you nothin.

[E-Terror]

its not like he&#39;d do a better job with any other pertinent issues

[**MATEO**]

Trance is a homosexual.

*Paid message by the Mateo Eats Vagina Coalition.

[Slushi]

9/11 is an event that killed hope for hundreds of families.
and there are sick fucks who only give a shit about your precious bullshit counter-culture. You lame fucks make me sick.

[E-Terror]

a relative of mine was a flight attendant on one of the planes

i personally dont give a fuck if it was planned or not, all im saying is that if it was, the worst didnt happen

[BRAINE]

Originally posted by &#045;=AgA=&#045;TrAnCe@Sep 1 2006, 07:45 PM
aoasiossis my countrys goverment licks ur&#39;s ass so its one big load of balls
youre not even from america and you care about this shit?
damn you suck.
seriously, this is not graffiti related.
and even if it was, who cares?
who the fuck cares.
clearly the facts about 911 are very skewed in many ways, and videos and presentations of the facts in different ways are easy to pursuade people to believe different things.
maybe it was an inside job, maybe it wasnt.
but i tell you what, its NOT GRAFFITI RELATED.
niether is the mtv video awards thread, which i am not even going to bother to half read.

[E-Terror]

who the fuck made a thread about the VMA&#39;s?


wack



and yeah, this thread is just a bad idea.

13 year olds who think they know everything are having a field day


thats why im keeping a collapseable shovel, my survival knife, and my pipe all tucked away. so if the shit ever hits the fan, im stealing a mini bike and heading into the forest.


and no you cant come with me, unless youre a girl and i think youre cute enough and chill enough to live in the woods with

[E-Terror]

http://www.scottishmotocross.co.uk/mini_bikes/mini_images/originals/mini_bike_masters_jump.jpg
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenh, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehn, screeeeeetch, beeeeeep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep, brummm brrruuummmmmmmm, bruhhhhhweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenh&#33;

[morningglory]

Originally posted by FuLa@Sep 1 2006, 08:31 PM
I think that loose change is bullshit but they do bring up some important points...for example the explosions in the towers..cnn, abc, nbc,....every news reporter at the spot was saying "we&#39;re hearing explosions"....and we haven&#39;t heard anything official except for bullshit excuses that don&#39;t make sence...


also the part where they show other buildings in history which have burned for hours and hours and had 1/5000th the size and structure/stability of the twin towers...


third...what would bush&#39;s presidency be without these attacks?....NOTHING...0000....that&#39;s pretty interesting, he hasn&#39;t dealt with any other issue but war and terrorism in his whole term. so his presidency pretty much is based upon a terrorist attack.
Jet fuel... EXPLODES. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Ever hear a building or house fall? Also sounds like at explosion, or when metal or concrete is twisted under the weight+heat factor.


As for the design... The WTT where flawed, the firewall was too thin and couldnt withstand the temperature of a generalized fire... specially not one backed by jet fuel. And you might not remember... but the towers actuall stayed standing a fucking long time concidering a plane rammed into it. Have any idea what kind of structural stress that puts on the whole building? People inside witnessed that the whole tower seemed to sway slightly when it hit. Now even swaying it a cm is enough to do an incredible amount of damage.


Might be nothing as you say. So?
That doesnt mean anything AT ALL. THere would be less business in the tourism departement around 9/11 if it wasnt for all the people that want to visit the ruins. So does that mean the tourist dudes decided to topple a tower to make more money? See how idiotic your statement sounds? He took advantage of an occurance, doesnt mean in any way that he caused it.

[clockworkfuse]

Originally posted by E&#045;Terror@Sep 1 2006, 09:04 PM
http://www.scottishmotocross.co.uk/mini_bikes/mini_images/originals/mini_bike_masters_jump.jpg
wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenh, weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehn, screeeeeetch, beeeeeep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep, brummm brrruuummmmmmmm, bruhhhhhweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeenh&#33;
hahahaha. that acctuallym ade me laugh

BRRAAAAAAPPPPPP

[beefgerky]

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html



CLOSE.

[SUNK!]

Originally posted by E&#045;Terror@Sep 1 2006, 09:02 PM
who the fuck made a thread about the VMA&#39;s?


wack



and yeah, this thread is just a bad idea.

13 year olds who think they know everything are having a field day


thats why im keeping a collapseable shovel, my survival knife, and my pipe all tucked away. so if the shit ever hits the fan, im stealing a mini bike and heading into the forest.


and no you cant come with me, unless youre a girl and i think youre cute enough and chill enough to live in the woods with
It&#39;s a general discussion forum, it&#39;s the one place on here that DOESN&#39;T have to be about graffiti. Get off the kids ass, and just don&#39;t post in his thread.

If the shit hits the fans, even the woods aren&#39;t safe. The only sure fire way to avoid this country in a crisis like that is to leave it before the shit starts. I don&#39;t think you have either the resources, the committment, not to mention the foresight to do that.

bunch of 16 year olds acting hard for the 13 year olds.

[clockworkfuse]

there&#39;s always canada eh

[alera]

them some interesting vids :huh: but what ever dont balleve every thing that others tell you
the truth is usualy some where in between.

ha mini bike&#39;s grab a jeep instead

[SUNK!]

I&#39;m not even talking about Canada really. My first option is Belgium. There are plenty of countries with BOOMING economies, excelent healthcare, and don&#39;t live hearing the word &#39;terrorism&#39; every day.

[DISKO NEVER DIESSS]

this thread&#39;s a fuckin wank

get a fuckin job you queers

[war terror]

conspiracy theories are imortant to us because if they are true... for example waco... we cant let the government do whatever they want....

its WE THE PEOPLE, not them

[afek]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j193/afekt_1/e4455805.jpg

[DISKO NEVER DIESSS]

Originally posted by some rebel fuck
conspiracy theories are imortant to us because if they are true... for example waco... we cant let the government do whatever they want....

its WE THE PEOPLE, not them

no

the western world is full of limp dicks who dont care enough about politics to even vote, let alone start a succesful revolt

[war terror]

sorry but i dont even know what you mean

[war terror]

Originally posted by afek@Sep 1 2006, 10:52 PM
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j193/afekt_1/e4455805.jpg
WOW :o







add a 9-11-01 at bottom and a plane..... <_<

[afek]

just so someone doesnt shit there pants its fake it off the internet

[PureSole]

Originally posted by DISKO NEVER DIESSS+Sep 1 2006, 10:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DISKO NEVER DIESSS @ Sep 1 2006, 10:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-some rebel fuck
conspiracy theories are imortant to us because if they are true... for example waco... we cant let the government do whatever they want....

its WE THE PEOPLE, not them

no

the western world is full of limp dicks who dont care enough about politics to even vote, let alone start a succesful revolt [/b][/quote]
Bingo&#33;
When the rest of the world has to face it, there willing to die
We cry about it and go sit around to be (as immortal tech said it:) coffee shop revolutionary sons of bitches

[PureSole]

Originally posted by clockworkfuse@Sep 1 2006, 07:22 PM
the government wasn&#39;t behind this at all. they had no purpose in doing it. if they wanted an excuse to go to irag and take the oil. they would have used " we want the fuckin oil" ... thats kinda a different war/country. but they;re both middle eastern so ill link them
No Purpose? Once again, like e-terror said a lot of kids in here think they know everything
No offense, heres a basic purpose break down, and it all connects wether u think so or not. Research it.

1) The united states needed a reason to go to the middle east. After going to afghanistan, the almost immediatley turned to Iraq, a country that had MASSIVE ammounts of oil and Saddam had a lot of money. They could have used 9/11 to build fear in the "wests" hearts and gain support for these wars

2)Isreal occupies land ILLEGALY, yet lebanon and palestine met U.N. criteria while Isreal is ignoring the most important fact....THERE IN THE REGION ILLEGALY. *****, thats like sitting in my back yard. My dad giving me guns, bombs and shit and your complaining about it because im trying to get you out my yard...the fuck? IT WAS MY PROPERTY( isreal complains about Iran and Syria supplying Hezbollah weapons while we supply Isreal...why deosnt anyone say SHIT???). And to the morons who say it was the jews land before the muslims...dude
the U.S. and Canada was the NATIVE AMERICANS LAND BEFORE YOURS, are they taking over?? Would you let them? THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH *****S&#33;?? I feel like chappelle (Chappelle on his reasons for leaving the contract: "I felt like a prostitute")

3)Now, the U.S. has given isreal a way to attack islamic countries because believe it or not, most people DO view islam as a terrorist religion and hate it. They view all arab nations are terrorists and wont call isreal out on it, only a few of us will.

4) MOTIVE: BOTTOM LINE: THE US CAN NOW ELIMINATE ALL THOSE THAT OPPOSE THE POLOCIES AND THOSE WHO CONTROL WEALTH (OIL, JEWLERY) AND JUSTIFY IT DUE TO THE FEAR CREATED BY 911 AND SUBLIMINAL NEWS BROADCASTS FED TO US EVERYDAY (nothing to worry about, BUT PEOPLE CAN SNEAK BOMBS IN THERE PANTS IN POWDER FORM omg omg omg -CNN). THE MID. EAST CAN NOW BE CONTROLLED BY ISREAL: MAJOR COMPETITION: IRAN. uae AND saudi arabia WONT DO SHIT. RICH ARABS INVOLVED WITH AMERIKAN OIL COMPANIES TO...GET EVEN RICHER.

5)THE NWO CAN EXPAND THROUGH THESE STEPS

6) IN CASE OF ANOTHER ATTACK ON THE U.S....RUN FOR CANADA OR MEXICO. Total control will be given to the army. The U.S. HAS constructed camps to detain large populations (HITLER ANYONE???) and has claimed if there is to be another attack, it will be on a massive scale and we will go into martial law. CAMP OUT YO DAYS OR RUN FOR CANADA AND GET THE FK OUTTA NORTH AMERIKA.

7) As one former cia leader said "WE CAN STOP ANYTHING. WE ARE THE MOST POWERFUL GOV. AND HAVE THE BEST RESOURCES"
O rly? 9/11? STOPPED???NO. Allowed to happen? Likely.
Drugs? STOPED? ALLOWED TO HAPPEN? YES. whos getting busted my *****s?
NOT WHITE OR BLACK. RACISM IS PUT THERE TO STOP POOR FROM FIGHTING RICH
THE POOR SUFFER
THE MIDDLE CLASS SUFFER
WE DIE TO FEED THESE LEECHES
OUR KIDS STUDY IN A SYSTEM CREATED NOT TO ADVANCE THE POOR, BUT TO KEEP THEM THERE
IT IS SOCIAL DARVINISM IN DISGUISE. THE RICH GIVES THE POOR, AND HE GIVES THE POOR CONFLICT AND SELF DESTRUCTION TO KEEP HIM THERE. AND BY RICH, I DONT MEAN COLLEGE DEGREE KIDS MAKING 80-90 GS I MEAN THE MOTHERFUCKERS RUNNING US
THE MIDDLE-UPPER UPPER CLASS

FUCK IT
Dropping some knowledge
if you read, good. otherwise fuck off, i dont give a fuck.

[yakrian]

Originally posted by clockworkfuse@Sep 1 2006, 10:40 PM
there&#39;s always canada eh
Talking shit about my country? What?&#33;

Just playing.







Also, PureSole...Save it. We don&#39;t care.

[PureSole]

Originally posted by yakrian+Sep 1 2006, 11:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (yakrian @ Sep 1 2006, 11:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clockworkfuse@Sep 1 2006, 10:40 PM
there&#39;s always canada eh
Talking shit about my country? What?&#33;

Just playing.

And before anyone goes making bullshit arguments against me for talking shit about 9/11 when I&#39;m not even a citizen of the US, I&#39;d just moved to Norfolk, VA a month before 9/11...and I got the HUGE backlash of it. If you&#39;re not American, fuck off...that&#39;s how it was for a LONG time. Don&#39;t even bother starting that shit. I get it all the time. [/b][/quote]
the hell did u say
i read words but it makes no sense

[yakrian]

Wow...a reply from you that isn&#39;t 75% Capital Letters...this is new&#33; Congratulations.

[E-Terror]

Originally posted by SUNK&#33;+Sep 1 2006, 10:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SUNK&#33; @ Sep 1 2006, 10:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-E&#045;Terror@Sep 1 2006, 09:02 PM
who the fuck made a thread about the VMA&#39;s?


wack



and yeah, this thread is just a bad idea.

13 year olds who think they know everything are having a field day


thats why im keeping a collapseable shovel, my survival knife, and my pipe all tucked away. so if the shit ever hits the fan, im stealing a mini bike and heading into the forest.


and no you cant come with me, unless youre a girl and i think youre cute enough and chill enough to live in the woods with
It&#39;s a general discussion forum, it&#39;s the one place on here that DOESN&#39;T have to be about graffiti. Get off the kids ass, and just don&#39;t post in his thread.

If the shit hits the fans, even the woods aren&#39;t safe. The only sure fire way to avoid this country in a crisis like that is to leave it before the shit starts. I don&#39;t think you have either the resources, the committment, not to mention the foresight to do that.

bunch of 16 year olds acting hard for the 13 year olds. [/b][/quote]
its called humor you uptight cock

why the fuck would i steal a minibike and go into the woods if martial law was declared?


id end up just like everyone else and i probably wouldnt care


just so long as they dont touch my naughty parts, cause they know they want to, but its not gonna be that easy

[PureSole]

^unless it was some hot female gaurd
id let her violate my ass...that sounds wrong but yall get the idea

[pablo.]

Yall should check out www.freepressinternational.com

[Fiilth]

Originally posted by &#045;=AgA=&#045;TrAnCe@Sep 1 2006, 07:21 AM
i belive that this was an inside job. all the evidance points towards a planned, known attack, the most disturbing video is the loose change. it makes u tremble with fear. the proof they have is flawless. 20 years of goverment planned terrorism.
Yeah you sound like you seen a few videos and think that it was planned 100% This makes you no better then those who think it was a terrorist attack.
Before you go and start telling me to watch it , i have at first i was thinking damn that is
some fucked up shit. Couldnt stop thinking about it. So i decided to research a bit of both sides of the story which alot of that shit can be explained. Lemme give you an example of how stupid some of the facts are.

There were little or no remaining parts left of a plane at the pentagon.
But the video also stated that the plane hit the side of the pentagon that was constructed to withstand an impact like that so you do the math. The video pretty much contradicts it self at points.

Now something more trippier is John Oneil. This guy knew more about al queda and osama bin laden then anyone else. He was like the head of the cia and terrorism intelligence or some shit. Well on 9/11 he replaced george bushes brother marvin bush i think? Who was head of security at the wtc. Coincidently he died that day because of the attacks. I also recall bush saying that we will track down this "threat" and eliminate it.
Well if he wanted to do that John Oneil was the man for the job.

What do i think off all this you ask? I really dont give a fuck. Im pretty sure that there is some corruption in the goverment but then again this whole world is corrupted in some way or form. Instead practice that piece thats been floating around in your head. Shoplift those decos at Michaels. Just dont become brainwashed. Make your own decisions not decisions based on other peoples thoughts.

[treeshoe]

Originally posted by PureSole@Sep 1 2006, 05:48 PM
Yep. More people believe it each day, beware, loose change is flawed as hell

And prepared to get flamed by people on the board

Search for illuminati and videos
lonelanternsociety is a good site, google it ;)
I think Gesus or Foe or havik can hit yall with some links too
check out the illuminatos trilliogy by Shea and Robert Wilson. Illlllll shit, it will lave you paraniod as fuck :lol:

[PureSole]

word ill check it out

[FuLa]

Originally posted by morningglory+Sep 1 2006, 09:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (morningglory &#064; Sep 1 2006, 09:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-FuLa@Sep 1 2006, 08:31 PM
I think that loose change is bullshit but they do bring up some important points...for example the explosions in the towers..cnn, abc, nbc,....every news reporter at the spot was saying "we&#39;re hearing explosions"....and we haven&#39;t heard anything official except for bullshit excuses that don&#39;t make sence...


also the part where they show other buildings in history which have burned for hours and hours and had 1/5000th the size and structure/stability of the twin towers...


third...what would bush&#39;s presidency be without these attacks?....NOTHING...0000....that&#39;s pretty interesting, he hasn&#39;t dealt with any other issue but war and terrorism in his whole term. so his presidency pretty much is based upon a terrorist attack.
Jet fuel... EXPLODES. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Ever hear a building or house fall? Also sounds like at explosion, or when metal or concrete is twisted under the weight+heat factor.


As for the design... The WTT where flawed, the firewall was too thin and couldnt withstand the temperature of a generalized fire... specially not one backed by jet fuel. And you might not remember... but the towers actuall stayed standing a fucking long time concidering a plane rammed into it. Have any idea what kind of structural stress that puts on the whole building? People inside witnessed that the whole tower seemed to sway slightly when it hit. Now even swaying it a cm is enough to do an incredible amount of damage.


Might be nothing as you say. So?
That doesnt mean anything AT ALL. THere would be less business in the tourism departement around 9/11 if it wasnt for all the people that want to visit the ruins. So does that mean the tourist dudes decided to topple a tower to make more money? See how idiotic your statement sounds? He took advantage of an occurance, doesnt mean in any way that he caused it. [/b][/quote]
to clear one thing up...i NEVER said I believe that this shit&#39;s a government plot or anything of that nature....loose change is wack and their main point that this whole deal is a government/nazi/illuminati group doing this shit is wack.


your comment about "swaying" a cm is complete ignorant garbage...any building made by a competent being is made to withstand earquakes that would sway it way more than a cm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf09AREir-8 <-there&#39;s a video of a bridge during an earquake in the west coast...yeah yeah...eartquakes happen very regularly on the west coast because of the tectonic plates, etc. etc...NY&#39;s has been known for earquakes in the past as well.

3rd have you seen loose change? do you know the examples I mean when there were buildings burning for hours and hours? (more than 20 or 30 hours)...and never fell down?...the twin towers were two buildings that were burning at the top for less than 2 or 3 hours...(the government says that the BURNING of the steel & temperature brought them down, not the impact)..in fact like they say in loose change(and you can see it yourself in any video), most of the jet fuel blows to the side of the building..& & 3 buildings fell down, not just these two..

again, i&#39;m not saying this is a government plot but there&#39;s a lot of shit that needs to be cleared, like the explosions and other shit...I do believe it was terrorists, I come from Bolivia and I know how much people hate the US government AND PEOPLE(and they have very good reasons)..that shit&#39;s unquestionable, what I&#39;m questioning is "what would bush&#39;s presidency be without this shit?" what about the terrible health care system that the US has?...couldn&#39;t he take care of terrorism AND the health care system?...there&#39;s more shit that should be take care of that this fool probably doesn&#39;t even know what it means.

i&#39;m tired and dont&#39; think you&#39;re too smart, you didn&#39;t contradict any of my "idiotic" statements at any time, in fact you didn&#39;t even get my main point, you assumed that I&#39;m all about the conspiracies, government, (tourism agencies now i guess?) <-that&#39;s a pretty idiotic example if you ask me...conspiracies=wack.

[J.A.B.]

For anyone interested in a point-by-point debunking of some of the most popular conspiracy theories out there (like the fact that steel melts at 1525° C, and although jet fuel burns only at 825° C, it doesn&#39;t have to burn hot enough to melt to cause the buildings to collapse, since steel loses 50% of its strength at 648 ° C), &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; now shut the fuck up

[DISKO NEVER DIESSS]

Originally posted by &#045;=AgA=&#045;TrAnCe@Sep 1 2006, 07:21 AM
well, after clicking on a link in some1s sig i came across a video documenting the attack on the WTC&#39;s
the following videos show the truth. that there was explosives inside the towers, that goverment officials told important people not to fly and that only 14 jets were left because of a "training" mission. loads more evidance in there programs.

i belive that this was an inside job. all the evidance points towards a planned, known attack, the most disturbing video is the loose change. it makes u tremble with fear. the proof they have is flawless. 20 years of goverment planned terrorism.
you&#39;re a fuckin cretin

( http://www.answers.com/topic/cretin , theres the link to save you the time you little defect)

[morningglory]

Originally posted by FuLa+Sep 2 2006, 02:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FuLa @ Sep 2 2006, 02:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by morningglory@Sep 1 2006, 09:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-FuLa@Sep 1 2006, 08:31 PM
I think that loose change is bullshit but they do bring up some important points...for example the explosions in the towers..cnn, abc, nbc,....every news reporter at the spot was saying "we&#39;re hearing explosions"....and we haven&#39;t heard anything official except for bullshit excuses that don&#39;t make sence...


also the part where they show other buildings in history which have burned for hours and hours and had 1/5000th the size and structure/stability of the twin towers...


third...what would bush&#39;s presidency be without these attacks?....NOTHING...0000....that&#39;s pretty interesting, he hasn&#39;t dealt with any other issue but war and terrorism in his whole term. so his presidency pretty much is based upon a terrorist attack.
Jet fuel... EXPLODES. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Ever hear a building or house fall? Also sounds like at explosion, or when metal or concrete is twisted under the weight+heat factor.


As for the design... The WTT where flawed, the firewall was too thin and couldnt withstand the temperature of a generalized fire... specially not one backed by jet fuel. And you might not remember... but the towers actuall stayed standing a fucking long time concidering a plane rammed into it. Have any idea what kind of structural stress that puts on the whole building? People inside witnessed that the whole tower seemed to sway slightly when it hit. Now even swaying it a cm is enough to do an incredible amount of damage.


Might be nothing as you say. So?
That doesnt mean anything AT ALL. THere would be less business in the tourism departement around 9/11 if it wasnt for all the people that want to visit the ruins. So does that mean the tourist dudes decided to topple a tower to make more money? See how idiotic your statement sounds? He took advantage of an occurance, doesnt mean in any way that he caused it.
to clear one thing up...i NEVER said I believe that this shit&#39;s a government plot or anything of that nature....loose change is wack and their main point that this whole deal is a government/nazi/illuminati group doing this shit is wack.


your comment about "swaying" a cm is complete ignorant garbage...any building made by a competent being is made to withstand earquakes that would sway it way more than a cm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf09AREir-8 <-there&#39;s a video of a bridge during an earquake in the west coast...yeah yeah...eartquakes happen very regularly on the west coast because of the tectonic plates, etc. etc...NY&#39;s has been known for earquakes in the past as well.

3rd have you seen loose change? do you know the examples I mean when there were buildings burning for hours and hours? (more than 20 or 30 hours)...and never fell down?...the twin towers were two buildings that were burning at the top for less than 2 or 3 hours...(the government says that the BURNING of the steel & temperature brought them down, not the impact)..in fact like they say in loose change(and you can see it yourself in any video), most of the jet fuel blows to the side of the building..& & 3 buildings fell down, not just these two..

again, i&#39;m not saying this is a government plot but there&#39;s a lot of shit that needs to be cleared, like the explosions and other shit...I do believe it was terrorists, I come from Bolivia and I know how much people hate the US government AND PEOPLE(and they have very good reasons)..that shit&#39;s unquestionable, what I&#39;m questioning is "what would bush&#39;s presidency be without this shit?" what about the terrible health care system that the US has?...couldn&#39;t he take care of terrorism AND the health care system?...there&#39;s more shit that should be take care of that this fool probably doesn&#39;t even know what it means.

i&#39;m tired and dont&#39; think you&#39;re too smart, you didn&#39;t contradict any of my "idiotic" statements at any time, in fact you didn&#39;t even get my main point, you assumed that I&#39;m all about the conspiracies, government, (tourism agencies now i guess?) <-that&#39;s a pretty idiotic example if you ask me...conspiracies=wack. [/b][/quote]
Its idiotic to assume that you support what you just gave points to prove and used as your references? :rolleyes: riiiiightttt.......


NYC is not a quake zone as you seem to know and the buildings arent built on a steel mesh grid like in Tokyo or LA. You build for your enviroment. NYC towers can&#39;t take the sway LA bridges can. Also notice a suspended bridge is very fucking flexible compared to a cemented building with foundations. So speaking of idiotic... Don&#39;t compare two things totally different. Also an earthquake is from fondation up, not a nice lateral smack near the top.



J.A.B beat me to the steel reference. Not many buildings burnt with jet fuel. Not many. And how about all the buildings that caught fire and acutally did fall down? If this building is so awesomely constructed as you seem to think then how the hell did they manage to get the phenomenal ammount of explosives in place without no one noticing? It would require engineers or very decent demo experts to know where to place charges to knock down a building Soooooooo well constructed. It&#39;s not a feasable theory with the evidence currently demonstrated.


So lets say it was explosifs also... and you see mto agree it was terrorists... so they used planes AND bombs. Um.... so what? What does the goverment have to gain in hiding the fact they also used bombs? Why not simply just use the bombs? Why didnt they claim that they used bombs and not just talk about the planes they used (the terrorist group)?. I fail to see any reason they would hide such information.

Yes other buildings where destroyed around the twin towers. Did you see the shockwave those buildings created when they fell??? I suggest you look at some amateur videos of the event and you might grasp it better. The whole ground was litterally shaking. Not to mention the airblast.


Psshh ***** I KNOW I&#39;m smart. And yes I DID contradict your statements. Do you even know what contradict means? As in DID NOT AGREE WITH. I most certainly contradicted you. And I also proved you wrong while I was at it.
Neways since I also happen to be mad tired, I&#39;m off to shower+sleep.

[PureSole]

I cant sleep, because obviouly the sheep are in this thread, not my head

just counting yall one by one

[morningglory]

The world is filled with sheep who think they are wolves.

[DISKO NEVER DIESSS]

oh golly you alternative hipster you

id call you a scooter ridin, beret buyin, mocha skinny laté toting ikea catalouge motherfucker with jacketed chiwawa in your louis vuitton travelpack, but i know you&#39;re not, so i wont bother

o&#39; woe

[FuLa]

alright..better worded, you did not SUCESSFULLY contradict any of my "idiotic" statements....anyway, its all good, we won&#39;t solve it here and i dont&#39; care for arguing...

lol but its interesting cause i&#39;m studying architecture :P just a year in the program but when I learn my shit real good...i&#39;ll be back if this thread is still open :P

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

omfg&#33; fula is the only one who sees how fucked this shit is.

[DISKO NEVER DIESSS]

no, you&#39;re fuckin distorted

this shite happened in the name of islam, this shite existed because of islam, this shite existed because of religion, this shite killed people because of some cunt that lived thousands of years back smokin somethin that made him seem philosophical, this shite is fucked up, when you have people saying that people who say shite to some cunt named muhammed who lived 1000s of years back should be stonned to death, should have their head cut off, who should bleed to death in the name of some cunt who dont exist, some cunt who is someones stupid idea of how everything came into being, its all totally fucked up

religion sucks, a lot, i dont even know how christians can even remotely belive that crock of shite, when the opening lines are "in the beginining" its such a crock of shite, and it hurts me that my friends, who ARE smart people can utterly follow this cult, this horrible influence that has led to the deaths of thousands who dont comply, it&#39;s utterly insane

i hate religion so fuckin much, and it hurts me deeply that i hate these horrible (mainstreamly accepted) cults when MY FRIENDS believe in this shite, the only thing that stops me talkin my hatred is my friends, cause i hate to see them hurt

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

man, a sensative, caring, angry side of vegi. userally its gay porn and stupid ass comments. man this is like coming out of the closet for you. i agree completely about the religion. goverments use religion. people do.

[Nyc Sno]

i beleive there was warning for the twin towers crash but i think the pentagn hit was a cover up it was really hit by a misle

[joust]

I can not belive you fuckin morons are acutally arguing about this. I watched the video a long while ago when it first came out, and it was questionable then as well. He makes some convincing points... people make convincing points to say aliens are in our country. The fuckin fact is that it happened and some d-bag college student who wants to make a name for himself is not going to affect the governments course of action in a country where people are affraid of breaking the law for what they belive in.

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

hot u can actually say that is ridiculous, its just a guy who has linked all this stuff. 9/16-15 "hiyjacers" were found alive
living around the world.

pentagon, the usa, the government fucked up big style, paniced to get people and made a fuckload of money, all in one day.

[morningglory]

Originally posted by FuLa@Sep 2 2006, 06:29 AM
alright..better worded, you did not SUCESSFULLY contradict any of my "idiotic" statements....anyway, its all good, we won&#39;t solve it here and i dont&#39; care for arguing...

lol but its interesting cause i&#39;m studying architecture :P just a year in the program but when I learn my shit real good...i&#39;ll be back if this thread is still open :P
haha you are again wrong. Contradict is to say the opposite. I SUCCESFULLLY did disagree. Even if what I said may have been wrong it still is a succesfull contradiction.

haha fucking kids.

OMG teh goverment is out to get me lololo&#33;1111&#33;&#33;1&#33;&#33;1&#33;

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

lol waste, im pointing out wuts happening. people came and said twas wrong. but they aint watched the whole of loosechange. fucking proof PERIOD

[GeSuS_KRiST]

Originally posted by AbEc187@Sep 1 2006, 04:14 PM
yea i saw that shit loose change is ill that videos wat got me into bombing hardcore fuck the system VIVA LA REVOLUTION&#33;&#33;&#33;
your a fuckign retard what the fuck is graffiti goign to do? NOTHING

yea the goverments corrupt, and it takes somthing liek this for you michale moore homos to relize this?

give me a break what the fuck about the Phillidaphia experiment where the goverment found time travle and invisablity back in the 40&#39;s and 50&#39;s?

what nothing about that?

what about JFK? what about iraq, qhat about religion and bible codes, what about all the masss cover ups, what about hallow earths, what about the use a psychoactive drugs to alter brain waves to put u into parrell universe&#39;s, what about the modern day nazi movment, what about the pope being a nazi, what about bush&#39;s grandfauther helping build the camps for the jews, what about bush rewriting the constitution for arnold to be president? a man who dreams of ruleing the world, a nazi and the fact he a roid addict mean he has roid rages and putting some one like that in power?

what about the fact we dont have to pay taxes, what the illuminati, skull and cross bones, bohemian goove, shape shifting reptilians, what about aliens, theres so much shit i can go off about




but then again michale moore (some one who WORKED in the white house) goes an creates a movies about 911 (which the french discovered the first week it happened, hence our hate for france) and every one now wants to act liek they know somthing....

fucking bullshit most fo you kids are just trend hopping you see everyone else doing it so u decided to hop on the ban wagon,

this goverment should of been over thrown the SECOND jfk was killed for another persident to move into place to fermly root and start to take over.....

its bullshit



now what the fuck can graffiti do for any of this a vast majority of the world HATES graffiti and doesnt pay attechion to it... so thats not going to help anyone, grow up this shits bigger then us its bigger then anyone and it wont be stopped all we can to is wait for 2012 and see what happens

[war terror]

word

[Kayone707]

Originally posted by joust@Sep 2 2006, 10:16 AM
people make convincing points to say aliens are in our country.
its true.. who do you think picks your grapes an makes you tacos at tacobell?

[Kayone707]

Originally posted by GeSuS_KRiST@Sep 2 2006, 11:47 AM


give me a break what the fuck about the Phillidaphia experiment where the goverment found time travle and invisablity back in the 40&#39;s and 50&#39;s?

what nothing about that?


man you kno as well as i do some fucker on CRACK wrote that shit.

for real gebus.

[GeSuS_KRiST]

eh its whatever kay, the fact of the invisablity is 100% truth and fact&#39;s it was used to create inteligence for the millitary... its been released along with the offical documents, fuck there was even a movie made after it

[Kayone707]

Originally posted by GeSuS_KRiST@Sep 2 2006, 11:58 AM
eh its whatever kay, the fact of the invisablity is 100% truth and fact&#39;s it was used to create inteligence for the millitary... its been released along with the offical documents, fuck there was even a movie made after it
ever wonder why your butt hurts in the morning?.

i stole the secret for invisablity ..

BAM&#33;

__
Oh an you mean this movie?
http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/0e/c9/1048892-movie-resized200.jpg

*hah i had to do it... if i dont pick on you no one will.. all these kids too scared to talk &#39;bad&#39; to gesus :lol:

[uhhh]

cover-ups have been happening for thousands of years. now we just hjave computers so everyone can bitch about it to eachother. no matter what it won&#39;t change. yo can protest and try and expose stuff as much as you want but it really wont help. because we control nothing. they let us have our little elections so we feel like we have some voice. but when it comes down to it they make all the decsions.

i watched the first three. i&#39;m about to watch part three of loose change. and i do belive the guy. there is overwealming evidence it was the goverment. they control everything... man :lol:

[GeSuS_KRiST]

i know and i love it, its better then pancakes in the morning, its my fav. alarm clock

remember this?
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/urbangesusgeek/gesusandchillen.jpg

[Kayone707]

"mighty nice probe&#39;n guys"

haha classic. i cant believe u still got that. good times

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

hahahahah, pure class. uhh im with you.

[BoRe-719-]

who cares, sure it was a little sad to begin with, but its over, in my opinion we all need to just cill the fuck out

[morningglory]

Originally posted by &#045;=AgA=&#045;TrAnCe@Sep 2 2006, 01:19 PM
lol waste, im pointing out wuts happening. people came and said twas wrong. but they aint watched the whole of loosechange. fucking proof PERIOD
how many of you fools watched those videos and just believed it?
Did you research anything he said? Get non biased proof?

why would those guys be more likely to spit the truth then the goverment?

Just cuz a few guys in suits pretend to be scientist and know everything doesnt mean shit. Do research then come back and kikck it with facts you found yourself with REALIABLE sources to quote from...

till then....

(btw: those tapes are in no way reliable, you can watch movies ripping those to shreds. So when you come up with a bullet proof video ill be the first to admit you are right)

[morningglory]

well bore who cares? Maybe all the people posting in this thread, all the people making those videos, all the ppl watchign em and debating the subject.

Ya alot of ppl seem to care you fuckign retard what kind of question is that?

[niagAyrTsdraWkcaBtoNoN]

This shit is fucking retarded

[FuLa]

Originally posted by morningglory+Sep 2 2006, 01:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (morningglory &#064; Sep 2 2006, 01:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-FuLa@Sep 2 2006, 06:29 AM
alright..better worded, you did not SUCESSFULLY contradict any of my "idiotic" statements....anyway, its all good, we won&#39;t solve it here and i dont&#39; care for arguing...

lol but its interesting cause i&#39;m studying architecture :P just a year in the program but when I learn my shit real good...i&#39;ll be back if this thread is still open :P
haha you are again wrong. Contradict is to say the opposite. I SUCCESFULLLY did disagree. Even if what I said may have been wrong it still is a succesfull contradiction.

haha fucking kids.

OMG teh goverment is out to get me lololo&#33;1111&#33;&#33;1&#33;&#33;1&#33; [/b][/quote]
no it was not a successfull contradiction...you were wrong...I agree that it WAS a contradiction. but not a successfull one...

since I can&#39;t draw it for you, here&#39;s a more children-friendly explanation just for you..

I said "This apple is red" then you said "well, if this apple is red, then you believe in all the government conspiracies and that bush is a nazi, etc. etc. and that apples are actually blue.."...I said "no, im&#39; just saying this apple is red"

and also i don&#39;t live my life running from the govt. etc...i saw that movie and i thought "that&#39;s bullshit"...but it does bring some interesting points of view in a few subjects...if you&#39;re as closed-minded as i can read you are..you just won&#39;t get it and you&#39;ll try to make an even more "intricate" explanation on how open minded you are...have you even seen that documentary? have you seen the ones "debunking" it? do you know which parts of that documentary I&#39;m talking about?...probably not

haha fucking kids "know it all".

[TalibKweli]

9/11 revisited (http://www.911revisited.com/video.html)

i got this dvd and its 5 hrs of footage and amazing analysis of the events on september 11

NO DOUBT that 9/11 was a pre-organized implosion, the way the towers fell from the sky, if ya look at the sides of the smoke you notice the &#39;&#39;puff puff effect&#39;&#39; smoke just pushing out of the sides, which is the sign of a perfect implosion

WTC Building 7 collapsed at 4pm, NO plane hit that building, there was a fire on floor 7 and 12...............yet the building collapsed from top to bottom perfectly


also the fact that removing ANYTHING from a crime scene under investigation is a felony , yet the day after 9/11 there were 22 trucks that picked up all the steel framing left in tact, they were shipped towards boats and shipped away to china to be melted down and be re-used
if ya have a credit card or ever see this dvd, get it
i ve been studying the events of september 11 since 2003...... this is one case that will NEVER be solved
like jon benet ramsey
the fuck, she&#39;s dead...... the only reason there is so much media coverage and drama is cause mom and dad were millionaires and the kid was in a beauty pagent
the fuck yo, thousands of kids are killed every day and even more kidnapped......why does this story seem so fuckin precious

[joust]

Originally posted by Kayone707+Sep 2 2006, 01:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kayone707 &#064; Sep 2 2006, 01:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-joust@Sep 2 2006, 10:16 AM
people make convincing points to say aliens are in our country.
its true.. who do you think picks your grapes an makes you tacos at tacobell? [/b][/quote]
wow.


You know what I fucking ment. haha

[TalibKweli]

mexican midgets yo

The proof (http://www.zshare.net/video/weirdmidget-wmv.html)

[J.A.B.]

morning glory comes through with the one point you can&#39;t deny. if the goverment wanted to destroy the wtc&#39;s with bombs and blame it on terrorists....why not use the bombs...and say terrorists did it...the point of using planes becomes really actually pointless.

[PureSole]

aye fula
u kno what would be tight? if you designed buildings into to replicate your name

"the fula towers" hahahah

[BRAINE]

fuck jon benet ramsey.
venus and serena williams baby sister died in a gang shootout, but i never heard that shit on the news once.
biggie&#39;s murder was an inside job too.
shit is stupid. if you want to debate this and you know what youre talking about, maybe you should find a conspiracy theorists forum.
this is bombingscience, not planecrashscience.

[FuLa]

Originally posted by TalibKweli@Sep 2 2006, 05:56 PM
mexican midgets yo

The proof (http://www.zshare.net/video/weirdmidget-wmv.html)
hahahha that shit wouldn&#39;t be half as funny if you didn&#39;t mention the "mexican midget" part....lol good shit.

[Guerrilla876]

some facts always stay the same . . .



people are unpredictable.
some actions/scenarios in life weren&#39;t really meant to be understood.
some people fear what their government hides
some don&#39;t
& those same actions people don&#39;t understand, well they never said they&#39;d be good or bad.




pointblank, america is screwed, i&#39;m sure it&#39;s always been like that. mad conspiracies, unbelieveable rumors, etc.


who knows. everything could just end someday and then the cycle could start all over. or we could very well be a world in which one exhisted before us. how would we know? those very same books you believe in could be fake. the bible, not an athiest or anything, but it is a book. books are written. so who knows what the past held or what the future holds. & if the world didn&#39;t suck, we&#39;d all fall off.


and there&#39;s my fifty cents on that subject.

[FuLa]

the world is the shit...we decide to be happy or sad...there will always be whiners and emos and unhappy people around...i dont need to be rich or have a hot-ass bitch(i have one but that&#39;s not the point ;P)...i&#39;m all about "live and let live"...there will always be fucking fools trying to manipulate and impose their beliefs on somebody else but fuck em&#39;....that&#39;s why the US got what they deserved for imposing their points of view on religion and manipulating governments and imposing what they believe is to be happy and "free". I was 10000 times freer in Bolivia than in the US...I just make a lot of money in the US, and I&#39;ll be able to find a job in the future.

[morningglory]

Fula you need some serious comprehension skills.

You just said in 3 posts: ie: you jumped but didnt succesfully jump. haha lol? Now it woulda made sense you said you jumped and didnt succesfully land... now thats one thing. But you.... haha.

[FuLa]

english&#39;s my second language...and i still speak better/have better grammar than a lot of native english speakers.

[lost_for_evex]

you guys talk about this shit like no one died...i guess it only really bothers u if u lived near it...i use 2 see thr towers everyday of my life..and i live in north jersey...but seriously...watchin the people jump from the towers didnt bother anyone?...why would the goverment wana hurt people?...

but then again...how can i plane hit the pentagon...and only make a 16 foothole in it?....


and how can a plane hit the ground..and no pieces of it be found?...i dont get that shit...stuff like that just dosnt float into space..

no bodys? nothing? wtf happend? bodys shoulda been everywhere from the impact.

how can both towers..perfectly fall stright down?...not only did one fall perfctly down..but both of them? not one toppled over. i can see if the top started 2 fall and toppled over..the structure looked strong enough for that to happen. but both fell down

and building number 7...fell down perfect because of a fire?...i can understand a piece of the building fallin ..but a building that small has no reason to perectly fall down to the floor for no reason. just cuz of a fire..thats bull shit.

fuck bush. he sat there and read a book 2 kids...found out what was going on..and still sat there and read for another 20 min until he decided it was time 2 leave...

14 planes protectin the nation? 2 wer based 10 miles away? ur tellin me a fuckin plane that travels at super sonic speed...cant make it there to the towers when its only 10 miles away before a second plane hits?

[morningglory]

Lol Fula it so happens it&#39;s my second language as well and apart from some of second grade and third grade I never went to school in english. Hardly a reason.

16 foot hole? Maybe you didnt see videos of the pentagon on tv?

I remember footage of the plane wreck as well and there was pieces left and right.

Buildings never topple over really (xcept under serious earthquake) and usually they break before managing that. It&#39;s simple... One or a few story lost the structural strenght and crunched, the impact of that level flattening brought about a chain reaction and it picked up momentum and speed very quickly. You can very well see that on the videos of the towers falling. Check videos of buildings being demolished, they use the same technique (only with explosives at the base).

Houses that are 1 story high collasp because of fires all the time. Whats so odd about that?

Yes Bush is an idiot. Alot too dumb to plan anything.

They could of shot it down. If they had understood what the fuck was going on. Everyone thought it was a freak accident untill the second one hit. Then people started realizing, it was all in a frenzy and the USA is simply used to being the bully and has forgotten what its like to be the one attacked. Serves em right if you ask me.

[johndoe]

Some of you who think the thought of this is so absurd should read up on some foreign policy
We&#39;ve been after oil in the Middle East for decades. This is a war for oil and America needed a strong pretense for war. Enter 9-11
Iran&#39;s next.

[narcism]

Originally posted by NOMX@Sep 1 2006, 07:40 PM
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
this is the truth
fuck all you believers
get a life

[morningglory]

Originally posted by johndoe@Sep 3 2006, 10:03 AM
Some of you who think the thought of this is so absurd should read up on some foreign policy
We&#39;ve been after oil in the Middle East for decades. This is a war for oil and America needed a strong pretense for war. Enter 9-11
Iran&#39;s next.
Yes but destroying their own infrastructure is not a viable solution to pursue oil. They destroy other countries not their own. They could have used many other reasons, just this one fell at a good time.

[Alchohlics_Anonymous]

Everybody hates the US, its not that hard to beleive. We didnt cause this to happen or ask anyone to do it to us intentionally, yes we probably knew about it but did nothing because our government sucks. Im tired of people hating on Bush, yes he is stupid but you gotta realize he doesnt make all the decisions, he just goes with what people tell him. Fuck terrorists that shit pisses me off so much.

[HICE DEM]

fuck i&#39;, glad that some people are warming up to the truth, im tired of people looking at me like a terrorist when i tell them that the cia was behind 9/11...no bush didnt plan it, he doesnt plan anything, hes the puppetwelcome to reality, your government will do what it has to to get what it needs...and i dont think its all about oil, its about DEVELOPMENT CONTRACTS&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; for companies owned by the likes of bush&#39;s dad and his supporters and rumsfeld, and their ivy league school chums

[HICE DEM]

theyre all ILLUMINATUS

[Torrent]

I didnt read the whole thread so sorry if some already posted this.

The loose change movie has gone through a lot of critism. I would take a lot of what they say with a grain of salt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_...o%29#Criticisms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loose_Change_%28video%29#Criticisms)

A good flash movie on the pentagon attacks is Pentagon Strike

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm

[PureSole]

Originally posted by narcism+Sep 3 2006, 10:08 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (narcism @ Sep 3 2006, 10:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-NOMX@Sep 1 2006, 07:40 PM
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
this is the truth
fuck all you believers
get a life [/b][/quote]
Makes me wanna throw up
Maddox is a biased idiot who uses his biased views mixed with quirky typing to sway peoples opinions. Who didnt debunk shit. he used childish anctics mixed with a more mature satire-ical humor to talk shit. Why doesnt he dirsprove EVERYTHING? Yes, there have been faults with loose change


what about the ones no one can explain, like tower 7 as lost said

fuck this
and yes bush is dumb, but hes a PUPPET
in 1990 his dad said "the new world order is now in place"
gulf war soldiers who lived were given "new world order" engraved desert eagles ( i think desert eagles, dont remember, ill look for the pic)

fact: theres more shit to prove then to disprove. all those who ask evidence are too lazy to research and the main problem is the ones who try to give evidence are then shot down by those who dont believe it. even if they get the evidence, they shoot it down without analyzing it

and basically, its too much shit for ppl to type up in one day and too much shit that most ppl on this board wont read it
9/11 isnt new
go reseatch operaton northwoods

us planned to bomb miami, blame cuba, invade cuba, destroy cuba because it was a commie nation

its all about intrest

dont tell me why would they bomb their own country these *****s dont care its about money
over 100,000 iraqi civilians died, who would do it? answer that. they died because we went there. the bullets we use contain uranium that wont leave for a billion year
DEFECTS FOR A BILLION YEARS

explain it *****s?

who profited off all this mess?
answer that and you have your culprit

compare bush to hitler and their actions
watch v for vendetta and compare the events and speeches to bushs speeches and avian flu

[FuLa]

Originally posted by morningglory+Sep 3 2006, 10:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (morningglory @ Sep 3 2006, 10:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-johndoe@Sep 3 2006, 10:03 AM
Some of you who think the thought of this is so absurd should read up on some foreign policy
We&#39;ve been after oil in the Middle East for decades. This is a war for oil and America needed a strong pretense for war. Enter 9-11
Iran&#39;s next.
Yes but destroying their own infrastructure is not a viable solution to pursue oil. They destroy other countries not their own. They could have used many other reasons, just this one fell at a good time. [/b][/quote]
I can see that in both ways...I think if the Government REALLY wanted to impact americans and at the same time have a really good excuse to invade other countries, a better target for an attack would have been an american football game...but again, the twin towers are a very important/meaningful symbol of the USA. and they only have to kill a couple of thousand people (instead of 5-20+ thousand) to create an equal impact, not only in the whole world(like it has happened cause everybody knows the twin towers), but mainly in America.



its almost impossible to get your friend to keep a secret for you, imagine the hundreds(maybe thousands) of people involved in one way or another to pull out something like the attack on the twin towers...the fools from loose change make it appear that EVERY cop and EVERY firefighter, business owner, millionaire and EVERY person with some kind of authority is behind the attack...


**the reply wasnt&#39; really for morninglory or johndow but w/e= just some thouyghts...

[I_Love_SATAN_and_hate_you]

I&#39;m a conspiracy ...

Discuss me being mad ******ish ...

[Blix]

yo bush aint shit man all he is is a puppet he isnt smart enough to be thinkin all this stuff out some else is behind all this they just needed someone stupid enough and that they could get elected

[morningglory]

You guys have to realize... tada... they dont need to knock over 2 buildings to invade a country. If anything terrorist attacks might be premeditated to remove YOUR civil rights. Not as some lame excuse, they have been attacking countries non stop since a long time with no excuse what so ever and it has been nearly 100% successful. (check what they did to colombia recently.)

[PureSole]

Soy de estados Unidos. Estados Unidos es maricone..

[elcs]

simon ese

[N.O.T.E]

the government had attacks like 911 in the works since the 50s and 60s u can even say since the spanish american war...

takin from wikipedia


Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro as part of the U.S. government&#39;s Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative. The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state sponsored terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the highest ranking member of the U.S. military, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer.

The proposal was presented in a document entitled "Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba," a collection of draft memoranda (PDF) written by the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) representative to the Caribbean Survey Group. The document was presented by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13 with one paragraph approved, as a preliminary submission for planning purposes.

The previously secret document was originally made public on November 18, 1997 by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board [1], a U.S. federal agency overseeing the release of government records related to John F. Kennedy&#39;s assassination. [2] [3] A total of about 1500 pages of once-secret military records covering 1962 to 1964 were concomitantly declassified by said Review Board.

"Appendix to Enclosure A" and "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" of the Northwoods document were first published online by the National Security Archive on November 6, 1998 in a joint venture with CNN as part of CNN&#39;s 1998 Cold War television documentary series[4]—specifically, as a documentation supplement to "Episode 10: Cuba," which aired on November 29, 1998. [5] "Annex to Appendix to Enclosure A" is the section of the document which contains the proposals to stage terrorist attacks.

The Northwoods document was published online in a more complete form (i.e., including cover memoranda) by the National Security Archive on April 30, 2001. [6]

Content

In response to a request for pretexts for military intervention by the Chief of Operations, Cuba Project (Col. Edward Lansdale), the document lists methods (with, in some cases, outline plans) the author believed would garner public and international support for US military intervention in Cuba. These are staged attacks purporting to be of Cuban origin, with a number of them having real casualties. Central to the plan was the use of "friendly Cubans"—Cuban exiles seeking to oust Fidel Castro.

The suggestions included:

* Starting rumors about Cuba by using clandestine radios.
* Staging mock attacks, sabotages and riots at Guantanamo Bay and blaming it on Cuban forces.
* Firebombing and sinking an American ship at the Guantanamo Bay American military base—reminiscent of the USS Maine incident at Havana in 1898, which started the Spanish-American War—or destroy American aircraft and blame it on Cuban forces. (The document&#39;s first suggestion regarding the sinking of a U.S. ship is to blow up a manned ship and hence would result in U.S. Navy members being killed, with a secondary suggestion of possibly using unmanned drones and fake funerals instead.)
* "Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type [sic] planes would be useful as complementary actions."
* Destroying an unmanned drone masquerading as a commercial aircraft supposedly full of "college students off on a holiday". This proposal was the one supported by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
* Staging a "terror campaign", including the "real or simulated" sinking of Cuban refugees
* "We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute [sic] to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cuban refugees in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized."
* Burning crops by dropping incendiary devices in Haiti, Dominican Republic or elsewhere.

According to James Bamford in Body of Secrets:

Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.

the government will use terror tactics to achieve there goals

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

that document was official, signed n all.


see, they will. theyre were not only willing to kill, that document shows they were willing to kill their own army. wuts a few civilians..

[PureSole]

wars big business
without war, money would have no value
but with war we can bully other countries and control all wealth and have something to back our paper...blood


you dont want my money then i want your blood
fucked up
i dunno what im saying kind fucked up but you get the idea

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

nah, ur spot on. fucking, that osama confession tape is bollox n all. lefty writing with his right. i aint seen that tape till now. and its balls.

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

nah, ur spot on. fucking, that osama confession tape is bollox n all. lefty writing with his right. i aint seen that tape till now. and its balls.

[POSTMANSLUT5000]

"bollox"

hehe

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

english phrases, leave us alone and hall ass... hahahahhahahah

[DISKO NEVER DIESSS]

funny how everyone turns into an expert political analyst after 2 hours and a few google queries

[RepUrSet]

lol so true...

[T_R_O_N]

wow this topic is stupid. let me make this easier for you conspiracy nuts in mmorpg form. some guys equip some +10 planes then they ctirical the towers each for 999999999 dmg, nuff said god damn it. no specials, no pheonix downs, they just happend to get a lucky critical hit. there, see thats how 9/11 happend now if you want me to explain iraq i need some gill plz.

[HICE DEM]

what was the connection between the towers falling and the invasion of Iraq, i was never clear on that...aside from the oil money and development and defence contracts going to americans who are friends of the bush family/illuminatti family

[Slushi]

Holy shit is this topic still going?
There was no preplanned implosion. Whats, do you think the planbes were just visual effects.
You people are fucking stupid.

[I_Love_SATAN_and_hate_you]

Originally posted by I_Love_SATAN_and_hate_you@Sep 3 2006, 05:10 PM
I&#39;m a conspiracy ...

Discuss me being mad ******ish ...
:( ... nobody wants to discuss me??

[Torrent]

Originally posted by HICE DEM@Sep 4 2006, 10:42 AM
what was the connection between the towers falling and the invasion of Iraq, i was never clear on that...aside from the oil money and development and defence contracts going to americans who are friends of the bush family/illuminatti family
I&#39;m no educated beyond what I read on the internet so I won&#39;t speak up on a deeper issue but the government&#39;s excuse is that taking Saddam Hussein out of power was vital against the war on terror.

[Blix]

i love how the government does w/e they want i have no doubt that they had something to do with 911 they introduced crack and lsd. back in the 50s they tested lsd on people that didnt even they were being tested. They would just go to bars and put this shit into ppls drinks. I love they can play around with what they want then when they are done can call it illegal. if weed wasnt illegal crack and meth wouldnt even be a serious problem. They just got that crack into ghettos and its easy enough to make and then bam you got all these crack heads and ppl gettin shot and shit. I know I just rambled about this and that but yeah

[PureSole]

Originally posted by &#045;=AgA=&#045;TrAnCe@Sep 4 2006, 04:13 AM
bollox
lol
blimey mate


and yeah the war on drugs is bs blix

[geritto]

u.s government did it

[Slushi]

There is no conspiracy. fags.

[...uhh]

There is no conspiracy. fags.

THANK YOU

seriously guys, i dont get how the president can be "so stupid and unfit to run the U.S." and then in the next breath, u say he is able to plan a plot that has him thinking 9 steps ahead, and years down the line, with all the differnt aspects to consider.

...i think the idea that there was a conspiracy is wrong...and maybe even disinformation by sympathizers with the people responsible...

[numberonestunna]

i dont think bush is stupid. i just think he's horrible at thinking on his feet. everything about 9/11 seems suspicious.


TRUST NO ONE!!

[MessTonic]

It wasn't George Bush who planned the conspiracy, it was his brother. There is nothing logical about this attack, one example is the plane hit the top of the building meaning there is no way in hell the whole building would have went down.

[ESKiMO2]

I think that George W. Bush knew that the attack was going to happen but he didn't want try to prevent it because he knew it was a chance to start a war and get more money and power. Everyone knew it was coming but he wanted it to happen.

[LostYouth]

THANK YOU

seriously guys, i dont get how the president can be "so stupid and unfit to run the U.S." and then in the next breath, u say he is able to plan a plot that has him thinking 9 steps ahead, and years down the line, with all the differnt aspects to consider.

...i think the idea that there was a conspiracy is wrong...and maybe even disinformation by sympathizers with the people responsible...
wow thats a interesting view
everything else on this page is total bs

[TylerDurden]

the jews did it.

or

the greys.

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

dear lord

a thread I MADE is still going?


holy sham.

[A//resistance]

sept. 10 1991 george bush sr. publicly declared the creation of a new world order in a speech.
4 non arabs arrested with explosives on the George washington bridge also.
i told a buddy of mine at work and he said that was liberal bullshit lol

[Offset]

It wasn't George Bush who planned the conspiracy, it was his brother. There is nothing logical about this attack, one example is the plane hit the top of the building meaning there is no way in hell the whole building would have went down.

How the fuck is the skyscraper falling down illogical?
A FUCKING JUMBO JET CRASHED INTO IT

EDIT: I don't think any 9/11 theorists ever played Jenga as kids :P

[A//resistance]

How the fuck is the skyscraper falling down illogical?
A FUCKING JUMBO JET CRASHED INTO IT

EDIT: I don't think any 9/11 theorists ever played Jenga as kids :P

lol

[ESKiMO2]

It's like Jenga only there was a huge explosion too.

[emel]

this entire thread is a waste of everyones time, including mine.

[ESKiMO2]

this entire thread is a waste of everyones time, including mine.

True, especially because no one is making up any new theories. We're just repeating the same thing over and over again. This should be closed.

[wafflecakee]

world trade sucked anyways.

[A//resistance]

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/dlcs_gallery/DLCS_PG219.jpg

this is who is behind 9/11