Islam

[STAR01]

muslims reunite!

come here to talk about your experiences with islam, discuss debat, ask questions post stories and much more.....

als for non-muslims..

this is what i found lately i knew some of them but was quite suprised about some others...

Very interesting findings of

Dr. Tariq Al Swaidan

might grasp your attention:

Dr.Tarig Al Swaidan discovered some verses in the

Holy Qur'an

That mention one thing is equal to another,
i.e. men are equal to women.
Although this makes sense grammatically,
the astonishing fact is that the number of
times the word man appears in

the Holy Qur'an

is 24 and number of times the word
woman appears is also 24,
therefore not only is this phrase correct in
the grammatical sense but also true mathematically,

i.e. 24 = 24.

Upon further analysis of various verses,
he discovered that this is consistent throughout the whole

Holy Qur'an

where it says one thing is like another.
See below for astonishing result of
the words mentioned number of times in Arabic

Holy Qur'an

Dunia (one name for life) 115.
Aakhirat (one name for the life after this world) 115
Malaika (Angels) 88 . Shayteen (Satan) 88

Life 145 ...... Death 145
Benefit 50 . Corrupt 50
People 50 .. Messengers 50
Eblees (king of devils) 11 . Seek refuge from Eblees 11
Museebah (calamity) 75 . Thanks ! 75
Spending (Sadaqah) 73 . Satisfaction 73
People who are mislead 17 .D Dead people 17
Muslimeen 41 .J Jihad 41
Gold 8 .E Easy life 8
Magic 60 .F Fitnah (dissuasion, misleading) ! 60
Zakat (Taxes Muslims pay to the poor) 32 ....
Barakah (Increasing or blessings of wealth) 32
Mind 49 .N Noor 49
Tongue 25 .S Sermon 25
Desite 8 .F Fear 8
Speaking publicly 18 .P Publicising 18
Hardship 114 .... Patience 114
Muhammed 4 .S Sharee'ah (Muhammed's teachings) 4
Man 24. Woman 24

And amazingly enough have a look how many times
the following words appear:

Salat 5, Month 12, Day 365,
Sea 32, Land 13
Sea + land = 32+13= 45
Sea = 32/45*100q.=71.11111111%
Land = 13/45*100 = 28.88888889%
Sea + land 100.00%

Modern science has only recently proven that the water covers

71.111% of the
earth, while the land covers 28.889%.

Is this a coincidence? Question is that
Who taught Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) all this?
Reply automatically comes in mind that

ALMIGHTY ALLAH

taught him.


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hope this topic will attrac some people and start debatting instead is people hating on each others religion or background when they don;t know shit :ph34r:

[Zealot]

In a recent poll conducted by the CBC a full 14% of CANADIAN MUSLIMS said they identify with extremists. Based on the estimated Muslims poplutation of Canada that 109718 muslims give or take a few who support terrorism living in Canada.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/islam/muslim-survey.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Canada

[The 5th one]

muslims worship muhammed...a pedophile and muderer.

they recently attened kabala.....the mrtyrdom of hussein.


awe how sweet.

the dumb idiot.s

sorry i have very negative views.

am i allowed to say that?

[Zealot]

I don't know do you live in Canada? That's considered hate speech here.

[SALVO]

There are a lot of negative misconceptions about Islam.
Just because your government tells you to fear and hate, it doesn't mean you don't have to.
Think for yourself, for all I know Al Qaeda could be a made up super villian orchistrated by the CEO's of Haliburton.
Pams, you really should rethink what you said in your post.

[FOEone]

Granted, a lot of what my religion follows is based in Islam, and I adore the faith and love to study it...

...this is a really stupid thread.

[molotow_15]

Originally posted by The 5th one@Mar 27 2007, 07:19 PM
muslims worship muhammed...a pedophile and muderer.

they recently attened kabala.....the mrtyrdom of hussein.


awe how sweet.

the dumb idiot.s

sorry i have very negative views.

am i allowed to say that?
you are allowed to say that everyone has the right to have there own opinions,
but in mine i think that, that's a rather dumb and igorant view of it
cba going into detail :ph34r:

[revolt92]

Now im not a HUGE fan of this religion, the reason for this is....i'm from the UK and if you didn't already know on the 8th july 2006 there were i think 3 terror bombings in central london. And the religion of the 4 people that did these acts was Islam, they said that it was their god that told them to do this (among other reasons) now i know that not all muslims feel this way but to kill another human being, well how can they say that god told them to do this.

It just makes me mad, you know?
Anyways this is just one guy's opinion...


Peace

[BIGel]

Originally posted by SALVO@Mar 27 2007, 01:25 PM
There are a lot of negative misconceptions about Islam.
Just because your government tells you to fear and hate, it doesn't mean you don't have to.
Think for yourself, for all I know Al Qaeda could be a made up super villian orchistrated by the CEO's of Haliburton.
Pams, you really should rethink what you said in your post.
extremist islam has nothing to do with actual islam. in fact extremist islam is probably closer to evangelical extremism in christianity than to what most muslims actually believe. the quran doesnt actually say all these things justifying murder, etc...people just choose the bits and pieces they want to use without the context it was originally written in, the same as idiots here in the states do with the bible.

[SALVO]

Bin Laden and muslims who share his ideology are of the Wahhibist sect of Islam.
But Islam as a whole strives for social equality. They even acknowledge Jesus as a prophet.

[nero122]

revolt it was 7 july wernt it thats why its called the 7/7 bombings n then the 21 july they tryed agen but failed now tehyre on trial

[revolt92]

Oh my bad, i new it was around that time. In fact my sis had a dream about that day like a couple weeks before...freaky huh?

[Kayone707]

Originally posted by STAR01@Mar 26 2007, 11:20 AM

Holy Qur'an

That mention one thing is equal to another,
i.e. men are equal to women.
Although this makes sense grammatically,
the astonishing fact is that the number of
times the word man appears in

the Holy Qur'an

its cool your all religious. more power to you. but dont think we need someone (of any belief) coming on graffiti forums and preaching

[BIGel]

Originally posted by Kayone707@Mar 27 2007, 03:53 PM
its cool your all religious. more power to you. but dont think we need someone (of any belief) coming on graffiti forums and preaching
why not? iits just a discussion thread, those who want to listen listen and those who dont dont.

[Kayone707]

just dont bomb me...


but on a real note. fuck it. just lettin you know theres gonna be some shit talk in here

[BIGel]

^^thats because alot of people are ignorant fools.

[Kayone707]

exactly...
like i said. i dont think religion belongs in a graffiti forum but go ahead, more power to you.

[The 5th one]

ok ok...like how u all divert this away from islam and onto christianity. smooth.

thing is..anyone actually read the q'ran?

i have.

it plainy states, to kill kuffaars....thats anyone who isnt muslim.
it also states to beat women as you feel the need to
it also states that muhammed had sex with a 9 year old

now, you annot say extreme islam is really christianity.

i mean, its like you all conform to there ways, and make excuses because you know that they will eventually take over or kill you.

forget this crap.

[Zealot]

extremist islam has nothing to do with actual islam.
The thing is there are thousands of mullah's around the world who've spent their entire lives studying Islam who don't agree with you.

people just choose the bits and pieces they want to use without the context it was originally written in, the same as idiots here in the states do with the bible
See the difference is the "extreme" Christians just protest abortion and gay marriage.. maybe piss some people off (And I suppose you could argue a tiny portion of them even end up blowing up abortion clinics).

Comparing that to Islam, where we have 100's of people dying each week from Muslim on Muslim violence, terrorist attacks that kill thousands of people because their "infidel westerners", Girls getting raped and abused constantly because Mohammed thought it was okay to have as many wives as he wanted (no matter what their age)... Seems to me like there is a bit of a problem with misinterpretation amongst muslims.

[The 5th one]

right on ^

[AteskOne]

Originally posted by Kayone707@Mar 27 2007, 04:49 PM
exactly...
like i said. i dont think religion belongs in a graffiti forum but go ahead, more power to you.
i dont think religion belongs anywhere...i for one am not a strong believer in any type of religion. just another form of control and gives the people a false sense of hope if you ask me. i personally do not put my faith in something that is a complete mystery to me so it really yanks my chain when people get all pissy about religion. like the people who were trying to change the pledge of aligance...WTF IS THAT?! just dont say it if you dont like it. it's not gunna kill you. anyways i just dont think that people should try to press their religions on others so much. it's your choice what you believe in dont try and force your choices upon me.

[BIGel]

Originally posted by Zealot@Mar 27 2007, 05:01 PM
extremist islam has nothing to do with actual islam.
The thing is there are thousands of mullah's around the world who've spent their entire lives studying Islam who don't agree with you.

people just choose the bits and pieces they want to use without the context it was originally written in, the same as idiots here in the states do with the bible
See the difference is the "extreme" Christians just protest abortion and gay marriage.. maybe piss some people off (And I suppose you could argue a tiny portion of them even end up blowing up abortion clinics).

Comparing that to Islam, where we have 100's of people dying each week from Muslim on Muslim violence, terrorist attacks that kill thousands of people because their "infidel westerners", Girls getting raped and abused constantly because Mohammed thought it was okay to have as many wives as he wanted (no matter what their age)... Seems to me like there is a bit of a problem with misinterpretation amongst muslims.
For every mullah that thinks extremism is part of mainstream islam, there are 100 that dont. i can tell you right now that the vast, vast majority of islamic scholars disagree with you.

and you're totally correct; christianity has never caused the deaths of any people or persons (the crusades, the spanish inquisition, the conquest of the new world. the fighting in ireland between catholics and protestants, and on and on and on) i wonder if the death toll caused by christianity has reached the billions yet?

The fact is, you DO NOT know what you're talking about. you're speaking about islam the way most americans do, out of complete ignorance and stupidity. you generalize, you disrespect, and you do what all bigots do...you get scared of something unfamiliar so you trash it.

ALL religion brings with it war, trouble, and disharmony...but dont make the mistake of repeating everything your told about islam by donald rumsfield and dick cheney, because you (and them) are entirely full of shit.

[Kayone707]

lil video i saw a couple months ago...

30 days as a muslim
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...+a+muslim&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2549339484703514139&q=30+days+as+a+muslim&hl=en)

[SALVO]

Well said BIGel.

[Zulu]

Can we pull this thread yet?

[ase]

Originally posted by AteskOne+Mar 27 2007, 06:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AteskOne @ Mar 27 2007, 06:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Kayone707@Mar 27 2007, 04:49 PM
exactly...
like i said. i dont think religion belongs in a graffiti forum but go ahead, more power to you.
i dont think religion belongs anywhere...i for one am not a strong believer in any type of religion. just another form of control and gives the people a false sense of hope if you ask me. i personally do not put my faith in something that is a complete mystery to me so it really yanks my chain when people get all pissy about religion. like the people who were trying to change the pledge of aligance...WTF IS THAT?! just dont say it if you dont like it. it's not gunna kill you. anyways i just dont think that people should try to press their religions on others so much. it's your choice what you believe in dont try and force your choices upon me. [/b][/quote]
Funny thing is, the person who wanted the pledge of allegiance changed (at least in California) was an athiest I believe.





But I am with you. I don't choose to live my life out of a book written thousands of years ago. To me, religion was created because people didn't know where we came from, how the world was created, etc. So people try to explain it in whatever way they thought to be true. In an age of science, it's hard for me to believe that some magical all seeing being created everything we know to date or that there is a heaven or hell. It's just hard for me to believe when there's no sort of evidence.



That's just my 2 cents on religion in general.

[Zealot]

Originally posted by BIGel+Mar 27 2007, 07:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BIGel @ Mar 27 2007, 07:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Zealot@Mar 27 2007, 05:01 PM
extremist islam has nothing to do with actual islam.
The thing is there are thousands of mullah's around the world who've spent their entire lives studying Islam who don't agree with you.

people just choose the bits and pieces they want to use without the context it was originally written in, the same as idiots here in the states do with the bible
See the difference is the "extreme" Christians just protest abortion and gay marriage.. maybe piss some people off (And I suppose you could argue a tiny portion of them even end up blowing up abortion clinics).

Comparing that to Islam, where we have 100's of people dying each week from Muslim on Muslim violence, terrorist attacks that kill thousands of people because their "infidel westerners", Girls getting raped and abused constantly because Mohammed thought it was okay to have as many wives as he wanted (no matter what their age)... Seems to me like there is a bit of a problem with misinterpretation amongst muslims.
For every mullah that thinks extremism is part of mainstream islam, there are 100 that dont. i can tell you right now that the vast, vast majority of islamic scholars disagree with you.

and you're totally correct; christianity has never caused the deaths of any people or persons (the crusades, the spanish inquisition, the conquest of the new world. the fighting in ireland between catholics and protestants, and on and on and on) i wonder if the death toll caused by christianity has reached the billions yet?

The fact is, you DO NOT know what you're talking about. you're speaking about islam the way most americans do, out of complete ignorance and stupidity. you generalize, you disrespect, and you do what all bigots do...you get scared of something unfamiliar so you trash it.

ALL religion brings with it war, trouble, and disharmony...but dont make the mistake of repeating everything your told about islam by donald rumsfield and dick cheney, because you (and them) are entirely full of shit. [/b][/quote]
I think its impossible to debate Islam with a liberal without being called ignorant. You need to come up with a better argument than telling me I’m ignorant and then switching the topic.

I find it quite telling how you failed to mention all the Muslims conquests that have occurred throughout history. I was referring to modern day Christianity and comparing it to modern day Islam. So don't try to twist it.

I never trashed Islam in anyway, I merely stated the facts.. none of which you disputed. I stated that 14 percent of Canadian Muslims identify themselves as extremists.. something you never responded too..

And who are you too say I'm unfamiliar with Islam.. Have you ever even picked up a Quran? Cause I've read a bunch of it.. and its pretty easy to see how it can be used to turn little kids into terrorists from the get go.

Do you have any clue of the impact the Muslim population is having on European demographics right now? Cause the implications are going to be huge.. and then when you bleeding heart liberals who embrace everything under the sun suddenly lose your freedom, maybe then you'll get it.

and just for the record one of my good friends is a Muslim.. Obviously not a terrorist or anything like that. Its not Muslims like him who I have a problem with, it the rapidly growing sect of them who have absolutely no respect for human life or freedom, and are hellbent on propagating their ideals through whatever means.

talk about ignorance and stupidity, try addressing the truth instead of your contrived bs about Islam being peaceful.


ooh and Zulu you never responded last time we where discussing this...

[Kayone707]

ASE, evdience of a higher power is everywhere..

im catholic, im religious, i pray every night. But i dont go on forums preaching what i believe. its ones choice to think what you wanna think. even if its in jesus, buddha, allah ETC...or if your jumping on the "i dont believe in god" bandwagon shit. what ever it is. think what you wanna think. i just hate people who go out of the way to preach and yap about their god.

(all preachers blow. i havent been to church in a good 10 years)

[NiL]

keep this shit clean

[ase]

Originally posted by Kayone707@Mar 28 2007, 12:45 AM
ASE, evdience of a higher power is everywhere..

im catholic, im religious, i pray every night. But i dont go on forums preaching what i believe. its ones choice to think what you wanna think. even if its in jesus, buddha, allah ETC...or if your jumping on the "i dont believe in god" bandwagon shit. what ever it is. think what you wanna think. i just hate people who go out of the way to preach and yap about their god.

(all preachers blow. i havent been to church in a good 10 years)
I'm not really jumping on a bandwagon.

I'm hispanic, and my family, like most hispanic families, are very religious. I'm sure you have expereince that. I've gone through cadacism, my communion, and was in a catholic daycare from age 6-11. I have alot of knowledge when it comes to the religion.

What happened in between then and where I am now, I have no idea. But these past 5 years or so kind of changed my perspective on religion.






And if I came of kind of preachy, my mistake. I was just explaining my opinion, instead of just saying "I don't believe in religion, religion is dumb, etc, etc."

[Kayone707]

mexicans unite!
http://www.club-tigresdelnorte.com/img/tigresdelnorte.jpg

[sank one]

I agree with what kayone said, people are free to believe what ever they want. Religions are good until someone comes along and interprets it in a way that justifies the killing or persecution of another religion or people. People also feel it necesary to project their religion on other people and say that their relgion is right and yours is wrong. My whole take on relgion is beleive what you wanna believe and dont preach it to random people.

Thought i'd throw this in too, it was on my door when i came home one day...

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u222/sankster101/IMG_0278.jpg

[Nesty]

Bombing Science needs a crash course lesson in making logical arguements.

As-salamu alaykum to all my muslim comrades, don't let ignorant bigots get to you~

[Tode]

ya live ,,you die,,believe in what u wish....i praise my 40 oz... ......









this ones a deff closer i can just smell all the hate creeping through the vents on this forums

[Tode]

Originally posted by Kayone707@Mar 28 2007, 01:30 AM
mexicans unite!
http://www.club-tigresdelnorte.com/img/tigresdelnorte.jpg
................ :lol: kay <3

[nero122]

yo no offence mods but do youre jobs this threads cuasing problems people are arguing over religion n shit n starone allhahu akbar is what the terrorrist on the tube 7/7 bombings n 9/11 bombings shouted before they blew them self up if im not rite correct me but it mean hail alha or for alah n i agree what kay said this is a graffiti forum not a religion /suicide bombing recruitment site no offence to islam , i have no problem with peacful sides of religion if

[nero122]

there is such a thing as a peacful religion (didnt post all of it for some reason)

[Zealot]

Originally posted by Nesty@Mar 28 2007, 03:20 AM
Bombing Science needs a crash course lesson in making logical arguements.

As-salamu alaykum to all my muslim comrades, don't let ignorant bigots get to you~
to bad there is no logical arguement against that fact that Islam is an extremely violent religion that breeds hatred.

[The 5th one]

zulu dont pm me your responses with bloody wikipedia muhammed.

i mean i bloody read the q'ran, have ex muslim friends and current muslim friends who feed me with this info.
i am not making it up, that would be a waste of my thought time.

what zealot is saying is true.

you also do not deny these things they are accusated, but merely turn the finger somewhere else and stray off the main focus here.

maybe some muslims need to re educate themselves about what they exactly are believing and following.

[Zealot]

and Im going to clarify.. of course its possible to follow Islam perfectly peacefully.

Unfortunately though. a large portion of muslims take the numerous verses in the quran that incite violence on non believers and use them as a justification for their agenda of destroying anyone who doesn't believe what they do.

And when a significant proportion on of Muslims here in Canada where I live claim to identify with the "extreme" version of Islam I'm not going to go into denial about the real threat Islam poses for the sake of not hurting peoples feelings.

So instead of calling us bigots, intolerant, ignorant and whatever other adjectives the minority rights dickriders come up with, address the real issues.

[Nesty]

So instead of calling us bigots, intolerant, ignorant and whatever other adjectives the minority rights dickriders come up with, address the real issues.

The "real issue" is what you've already stated. That's right, you've defeated your own arguement.

In your own words: of course its possible to follow Islam perfectly peacefully.

If it is possible to follow Islam peacefully, then your problem is not with islam itself but with specific strands of it's constituency.

So until you realize this, you're totally absolutely motherfuckingly

bigotted,

intolerant,

ignorant,

and every flavor of prejudice on the planet. Further evidenced by your use of the phrase "minority rights dickriders".

Face it, you're racist. You're islamophobic. Xenophobic. I sincerely hope one of the "extremists" that are oh-so-prevalent in your community beats the fuck out of you.

minority rights dickrider for life,

juice one

[i eat pringles]

To be honest...all religion gets right up my nose, and Islam is no different.

[anarchy]

http://www.claybennett.com/images/archivetoons/islam.jpg

[Cut Throat Savage]

I identify with the religion of Submission, aka, Islam........but I really really hate it when people worship Muhammed even when it specifically says in the quran that all messengers were equal, and all were human, and that God stands alone..........if you read the Qura'n it's hard to not become a muslim.

[Zealot]

Originally posted by Nesty@Mar 28 2007, 06:55 PM
So instead of calling us bigots, intolerant, ignorant and whatever other adjectives the minority rights dickriders come up with, address the real issues.

The "real issue" is what you've already stated. That's right, you've defeated your own arguement.

In your own words: of course its possible to follow Islam perfectly peacefully.

If it is possible to follow Islam peacefully, then your problem is not with islam itself but with specific strands of it's constituency.

So until you realize this, you're totally absolutely motherfuckingly

bigotted,

intolerant,

ignorant,

and every flavor of prejudice on the planet. Further evidenced by your use of the phrase "minority rights dickriders".

Face it, you're racist. You're islamophobic. Xenophobic. I sincerely hope one of the "extremists" that are oh-so-prevalent in your community beats the fuck out of you.

minority rights dickrider for life,

juice one
WHAT YOU CAN"T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND IT THOSE "SPECIFIC STRANDS OF IT"S CONSTITUENCY" ARE COMPOSED OF A SIGNIFICANTLY LARGE PORTION OF MUSLIMS.

THEREFORE, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY ISLAM IS A PEACEFUL RELIGION WHEN THOSE STRANDS ARE ENTIRELY BASED ON WHAT THE QURAN SAYS.

yeah "of course its possible to follow Islam perfectly peacefully," but a lot of Muslims don't, thats a FACT.

and you know what, I'm damn proud to be intolerant of a religion that is the root cause of so much violence in our world and that wants to take away my freedom.

I sincerely hope one of the "extremists" that are oh-so-prevalent in your community beats the fuck out of you.

wouldn't that be the muslim way to deal with some one who disagrees with you :rolleyes:

Kill the cartoonists, kill the pope kill anyone who dares to criticise your death cult of a religion.

[meRlin68]

Originally posted by sank one@Mar 28 2007, 01:47 AM
I agree with what kayone said, people are free to believe what ever they want. Religions are good until someone comes along and interprets it in a way that justifies the killing or persecution of another religion or people. People also feel it necesary to project their religion on other people and say that their relgion is right and yours is wrong. My whole take on relgion is beleive what you wanna believe and dont preach it to random people.

Thought i'd throw this in too, it was on my door when i came home one day...

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u222/sankster101/IMG_0278.jpg
ive gotten hit w/ that flyer 2

[Kao.Ali]

I think religion is a good thing. but when motherfuckers star arguing over it, its stupid. Because what are you argueing about? someones perspectives on life? who give a fuck aout what someone else thinks, you have your thoughs, they have theirs end of story.
The thing that used to bother me when I tried to debate about islam (or anything for that matter) was that people could never see things from eachothers side. Everyone has a set opinon about shit based on a limited and very narrow perspective. but then I realized that thats not their fault, I also realized that its not my place to try to change their mind because in all likely-hood your not, you're both just going to get very angry and say some fucked up shit to each other.
So fuck it. none of those really matters then. And I just typed an ass load of crap so whatever.
btw I was raised in a semi muslim type household.
Now if youll excuse me Ima go take a shit.

[RealNiggasDoRealThings]

Just close this thread. BS already cant get along, we don't need to bring a religion in here and start anymore.

Close, for Pete's sake.

[Zealot]

You think BS is ever going to get along? At least we are arguing about something worthwhile debating.

[RealNiggasDoRealThings]

I never said that either, but why bring more hate in here, when you guys just diss everything anyone says or believes?

[Nesty]

THEREFORE, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY ISLAM IS A PEACEFUL RELIGION WHEN THOSE STRANDS ARE ENTIRELY BASED ON WHAT THE QURAN SAYS.

You do realize how utterly illogical and outright ridiculous your arguement is, right?

Because I sincerely hope that you're joking.

It pains me that people like you exist.

Here's the deal: you're defining, and as a consequence of such, subjugating, an entire religion based on the actions of a small minority. And in doing so, perpetuating the same prejiduce that you feel you're fighting. And you know this, and you accept this, and you embrace this.

You're no better than the police who make it a routine to beat the shit out of innocent blacks and latinos based on the actions of some blacks and latinos, you're no different than the politicians who strip our civil rights based on the potential actions of a miniscule ammount of citizens, you're no different than the politicians who condone and enforce their hegemony through near genocide against Iraq citizens based on a small contingency of terrorists, you're nothing but a shallow racist who is too close-minded to actually understand what you're argueing against, or understand why you're so incredibly offensive to the concept of human dignity.

Fuck off.

[.A.K.4.7.]

Originally posted by Zealot@Mar 27 2007, 01:15 PM
In a recent poll conducted by the CBC a full 14% of CANADIAN MUSLIMS said they identify with extremists. Based on the estimated Muslims poplutation of Canada that 109718 muslims give or take a few who support terrorism living in Canada.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/islam/muslim-survey.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Canada
you guys acnt keep your mouths shut can you...
this started off as a topic about islam relgion and the first post in there is a generalizing negative statement about an entire group of the worlds population.
:rolleyes:

[.A.K.4.7.]

Originally posted by revolt92@Mar 27 2007, 02:24 PM
Now im not a HUGE fan of this religion, the reason for this is....i'm from the UK and if you didn't already know on the 8th july 2006 there were i think 3 terror bombings in central london. And the religion of the 4 people that did these acts was Islam, they said that it was their god that told them to do this (among other reasons) now i know that not all muslims feel this way but to kill another human being, well how can they say that god told them to do this.

It just makes me mad, you know?
Anyways this is just one guy's opinion...


Peace
so because these guys happend to be muslim, you hate islam.


great.

[.A.K.4.7.]

Originally posted by The 5th one@Mar 27 2007, 04:57 PM
ok ok...like how u all divert this away from islam and onto christianity. smooth.

thing is..anyone actually read the q'ran?

i have.

it plainy states, to kill kuffaars....thats anyone who isnt muslim.
it also states to beat women as you feel the need to
it also states that muhammed had sex with a 9 year old

now, you annot say extreme islam is really christianity.

i mean, its like you all conform to there ways, and make excuses because you know that they will eventually take over or kill you.

forget this crap.
IT was written thousands of years ago, do you people just forget that simple fact?
Times back then were very primitive, without the politically correct rules we posses in western society today. The Torah is equally as cruel, but in a different way. The bible seems so perfect to us because it relates to our times much more, it is much more modern, also christians love to refine the bible to suit modern day. There is nothing wrong with this, however it just makes the unchanged ancient texts like the koran and torah seem more brutal. You MUST remember that before you blabber on about the brutal messages in the quran.

[.A.K.4.7.]

Originally posted by Zealot@Mar 27 2007, 05:01 PM
extremist islam has nothing to do with actual islam.
The thing is there are thousands of mullah's around the world who've spent their entire lives studying Islam who don't agree with you.

people just choose the bits and pieces they want to use without the context it was originally written in, the same as idiots here in the states do with the bible
See the difference is the "extreme" Christians just protest abortion and gay marriage.. maybe piss some people off (And I suppose you could argue a tiny portion of them even end up blowing up abortion clinics).

Comparing that to Islam, where we have 100's of people dying each week from Muslim on Muslim violence, terrorist attacks that kill thousands of people because their "infidel westerners", Girls getting raped and abused constantly because Mohammed thought it was okay to have as many wives as he wanted (no matter what their age)... Seems to me like there is a bit of a problem with misinterpretation amongst muslims.
Oh sorry, and this didnt happen during the christian crusades?
Every religion has had their times of violence and instability. religion is an old fashioned and silly concept in my opinion.

however, one could suggest the recent muslim violence being caused by recent events by the west. the sudden creation of the state of israel by the united nations, the wars started by america in iraq and afghanistan. you don't think hate is going to be generated from such actions? you think an entire populace is going to sit back and get along back to usual after being invaded and left with no leader?

think about it from their point of view for once, and stop just accepting your way of life as law. this is not the case.

[Zulu]

The Qu'ran also says that Christians and jews will be allowed into heaven provided they are good people and believe in God. All that needs to be fulfilled are the five pillaars of faith, prayer, pilgrimage, fasting, and charity.

[.A.K.4.7.]

Originally posted by Zealot+Mar 28 2007, 12:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Zealot @ Mar 28 2007, 12:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by BIGel@Mar 27 2007, 07:19 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Zealot@Mar 27 2007, 05:01 PM
extremist islam has nothing to do with actual islam.
The thing is there are thousands of mullah's around the world who've spent their entire lives studying Islam who don't agree with you.

people just choose the bits and pieces they want to use without the context it was originally written in, the same as idiots here in the states do with the bible
See the difference is the "extreme" Christians just protest abortion and gay marriage.. maybe piss some people off (And I suppose you could argue a tiny portion of them even end up blowing up abortion clinics).

Comparing that to Islam, where we have 100's of people dying each week from Muslim on Muslim violence, terrorist attacks that kill thousands of people because their "infidel westerners", Girls getting raped and abused constantly because Mohammed thought it was okay to have as many wives as he wanted (no matter what their age)... Seems to me like there is a bit of a problem with misinterpretation amongst muslims.
For every mullah that thinks extremism is part of mainstream islam, there are 100 that dont. i can tell you right now that the vast, vast majority of islamic scholars disagree with you.

and you're totally correct; christianity has never caused the deaths of any people or persons (the crusades, the spanish inquisition, the conquest of the new world. the fighting in ireland between catholics and protestants, and on and on and on) i wonder if the death toll caused by christianity has reached the billions yet?

The fact is, you DO NOT know what you're talking about. you're speaking about islam the way most americans do, out of complete ignorance and stupidity. you generalize, you disrespect, and you do what all bigots do...you get scared of something unfamiliar so you trash it.

ALL religion brings with it war, trouble, and disharmony...but dont make the mistake of repeating everything your told about islam by donald rumsfield and dick cheney, because you (and them) are entirely full of shit.
I think its impossible to debate Islam with a liberal without being called ignorant. You need to come up with a better argument than telling me I’m ignorant and then switching the topic.

I find it quite telling how you failed to mention all the Muslims conquests that have occurred throughout history. I was referring to modern day Christianity and comparing it to modern day Islam. So don't try to twist it.

I never trashed Islam in anyway, I merely stated the facts.. none of which you disputed. I stated that 14 percent of Canadian Muslims identify themselves as extremists.. something you never responded too..

And who are you too say I'm unfamiliar with Islam.. Have you ever even picked up a Quran? Cause I've read a bunch of it.. and its pretty easy to see how it can be used to turn little kids into terrorists from the get go.

Do you have any clue of the impact the Muslim population is having on European demographics right now? Cause the implications are going to be huge.. and then when you bleeding heart liberals who embrace everything under the sun suddenly lose your freedom, maybe then you'll get it.

and just for the record one of my good friends is a Muslim.. Obviously not a terrorist or anything like that. Its not Muslims like him who I have a problem with, it the rapidly growing sect of them who have absolutely no respect for human life or freedom, and are hellbent on propagating their ideals through whatever means.

talk about ignorance and stupidity, try addressing the truth instead of your contrived bs about Islam being peaceful.


ooh and Zulu you never responded last time we where discussing this... [/b][/quote]
"and you're totally correct; christianity has never caused the deaths of any people or persons (the crusades, the spanish inquisition, the conquest of the new world. the fighting in ireland between catholics and protestants, and on and on and on) i wonder if the death toll caused by christianity has reached the billions yet?"

So true. What difference does it make when these actions occured? 'Oh that happened years ago, that doesn't count now.'



Oh, and that 'My friend is a muslim' line was great.
"I'm not racist, I have a friend who is black, I don't mind ones like him!"
:rolleyes:



Why are the human race not addressing the real problem here? Not muslims or the west, it's religion itself. An Army of atheists should be mobilized.
Religion is stupid......

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8938/religionkn6xi5.jpg

[.A.K.4.7.]

Originally posted by Zulu@Mar 29 2007, 12:37 AM
The Qu'ran also says that Christians and jews will be allowed into heaven provided they are good people and believe in God. All that needs to be fulfilled are the five pillaars of faith, prayer, pilgrimage, fasting, and charity.
People choose to leave out these segments of the koran.

[Cut Throat Savage]

Anyone in this thread speaking about Islam...needs to understand it. YOu need to pick up a Qur'an to even have a valid opinion on this subject....don't speak about what you do not know.

The Qur'an is God's word...plain and simple. And if you don't agree then that's on you, it doesn't affect me. But if you are a submitter to God and God alone, you cannot go wrong!!!

[Zealot]

Originally posted by Nesty@Mar 28 2007, 10:31 PM
THEREFORE, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY ISLAM IS A PEACEFUL RELIGION WHEN THOSE STRANDS ARE ENTIRELY BASED ON WHAT THE QURAN SAYS.

You do realize how utterly illogical and outright ridiculous your arguement is, right?

Because I sincerely hope that you're joking.

It pains me that people like you exist.

Here's the deal: you're defining, and as a consequence of such, subjugating, an entire religion based on the actions of a small minority. And in doing so, perpetuating the same prejiduce that you feel you're fighting. And you know this, and you accept this, and you embrace this.

You're no better than the police who make it a routine to beat the shit out of innocent blacks and latinos based on the actions of some blacks and latinos, you're no different than the politicians who strip our civil rights based on the potential actions of a miniscule ammount of citizens, you're no different than the politicians who condone and enforce their hegemony through near genocide against Iraq citizens based on a small contingency of terrorists, you're nothing but a shallow racist who is too close-minded to actually understand what you're argueing against, or understand why you're so incredibly offensive to the concept of human dignity.

Fuck off.
Your not understanding what I'm saying.

You seem to think Im "defining, and as a consequence of such, subjugating, an entire religion based on the actions of a small minority."

I'm NOT.

I clearly stated that the "small minority" is basing and justifying their actions with what the Qu'ran says.

Are you denying that the Quran specifically gives Muslims the "right" to kill unbelievers?


Secondely, your rant about me being the same as all the racist cops, politicians etc. is baseless. Just because I dare to criticize a religion that is politically incorrect to question does not mean I am in any way like that. I find it particularly offensive for you too say that when you saidAs far as I'm concerned there's nothing more deserving of getting vandalized than a church. Hypocrite.

You want to talk about taking away rights, discrimination and forcing beliefs on others? Why don't you go live under sharia law for awhile and see what Islam really has to offer.

[Zealot]

Originally posted by .A.K.4.7.+Mar 29 2007, 01:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (.A.K.4.7. @ Mar 29 2007, 01:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Zealot@Mar 27 2007, 01:15 PM
In a recent poll conducted by the CBC a full 14% of CANADIAN MUSLIMS said they identify with extremists. Based on the estimated Muslims poplutation of Canada that 109718 muslims give or take a few who support terrorism living in Canada.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/islam/muslim-survey.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Canada
you guys acnt keep your mouths shut can you...
this started off as a topic about islam relgion and the first post in there is a generalizing negative statement about an entire group of the worlds population.
:rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
thats not a generalizing statement.

That is a extremely specific reference to a significant portion of Muslims who identify themselves as extremist.

[The 5th one]

and 'you' muslims guys cant bring anything postive to the world can you?

not too hard to figure out here....in the present climate.

theres no point in this thread, i just cannot understand how people can have a positive view on islam, even if your not extremist your still supporting it, and that is also encouraging it.

[Kayone707]

Originally posted by The 5th one@Mar 29 2007, 11:28 AM
and 'you' muslims guys cant bring anything postive to the world can you?


well thats fucked up. an i aint even muslim.
just like me sayin, You women aint worth shit cept for sucking dick and cookin food.

[stado]

Originally posted by Kayone707@Mar 27 2007, 03:53 PM
its cool your all religious. more power to you. but dont think we need someone (of any belief) coming on graffiti forums and preaching
it has something to do with bombing.... =)

i don't hate the islam, i hate religion, it's stupid, like a.k.4.7 said

[BIGel]

Originally posted by The 5th one@Mar 29 2007, 01:28 PM
and 'you' muslims guys cant bring anything postive to the world can you?

not too hard to figure out here....in the present climate.

theres no point in this thread, i just cannot understand how people can have a positive view on islam, even if your not extremist your still supporting it, and that is also encouraging it.
through your eyes, i would be suprised if you had a positive, unbigoted view on anything at all. have you ever stopped to consider that maybe you dont hear about muslims doing good things because you live in a country where the only information your given about muslims is terrorist-related?

I dont seem to be able to make you understand the fact that the majority of muslims are not extremist maniacs looking to kill you. In fact there are millions of muslims, many in my community, who are generous, loving, happy people; people that help each other and try not to harshly judge people like you who do nothing but stereotype and belittle them. So many muslims are good people just trying to endure the daily racial profiling they recieve, especially in the US, but you cant accept them as just another human being because you're a bigoted ignorant asshole.

personally i think its a miracle the muslims and other minorities in your community havent knocked your fucking teeth out; and the fact that they havent done this yet is a testament to their patience and peace.

[AteskOne]

we are all victims to stereotypes. there is nothing we can do about it. we live in a egotistical place where if you do not share the same race, sex, beliefs, or culture as someone else they immeditally dislike you. we all feel challenged or scaired of difference so we attack them by placing these differences into categories. i think the world needs to just get over the fact that no matter where they go...there will always be that one person that categorizes them with all others of their kind. just ignore it and live your life to the fullest you can....

well now that i got that off my chest...

[.A.K.4.7.]

Originally posted by Zealot+Mar 29 2007, 01:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Zealot @ Mar 29 2007, 01:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by .A.K.4.7.@Mar 29 2007, 01:24 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Zealot@Mar 27 2007, 01:15 PM
In a recent poll conducted by the CBC a full 14% of CANADIAN MUSLIMS said they identify with extremists. Based on the estimated Muslims poplutation of Canada that 109718 muslims give or take a few who support terrorism living in Canada.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/islam/muslim-survey.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Canada
you guys acnt keep your mouths shut can you...
this started off as a topic about islam relgion and the first post in there is a generalizing negative statement about an entire group of the worlds population.
:rolleyes:
thats not a generalizing statement.

That is a extremely specific reference to a significant portion of Muslims who identify themselves as extremist. [/b][/quote]
You're missing the point. Would you go into a muslim temple and state what you stated in here? His topic had nothing negative in it, and you made it negative.

[.A.K.4.7.]

Originally posted by BIGel+Mar 29 2007, 03:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BIGel @ Mar 29 2007, 03:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-The 5th one@Mar 29 2007, 01:28 PM
and 'you' muslims guys cant bring anything postive to the world can you?

not too hard to figure out here....in the present climate.

theres no point in this thread, i just cannot understand how people can have a positive view on islam, even if your not extremist your still supporting it, and that is also encouraging it.
through your eyes, i would be suprised if you had a positive, unbigoted view on anything at all. have you ever stopped to consider that maybe you dont hear about muslims doing good things because you live in a country where the only information your given about muslims is terrorist-related?

I dont seem to be able to make you understand the fact that the majority of muslims are not extremist maniacs looking to kill you. In fact there are millions of muslims, many in my community, who are generous, loving, happy people; people that help each other and try not to harshly judge people like you who do nothing but stereotype and belittle them. So many muslims are good people just trying to endure the daily racial profiling they recieve, especially in the US, but you cant accept them as just another human being because you're a bigoted ignorant asshole.

personally i think its a miracle the muslims and other minorities in your community havent knocked your fucking teeth out; and the fact that they havent done this yet is a testament to their patience and peace. [/b][/quote]
Word, even if you are a dumb girl (just kidding) - you need to look at yourself.

[settybomb]

Originally posted by Kayone707+Mar 29 2007, 01:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kayone707 @ Mar 29 2007, 01:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-The 5th one@Mar 29 2007, 11:28 AM
and 'you' muslims guys cant bring anything postive to the world can you?


well thats fucked up. an i aint even muslim.
just like me sayin, You women aint worth shit cept for sucking dick and cookin food. [/b][/quote]
wait.....

There good for more then that?

Whats going on her?!

BLASPHEMY!

[.A.K.4.7.]

Originally posted by The 5th one@Mar 29 2007, 01:28 PM
and 'you' muslims guys cant bring anything postive to the world can you?

not too hard to figure out here....in the present climate.

theres no point in this thread, i just cannot understand how people can have a positive view on islam, even if your not extremist your still supporting it, and that is also encouraging it.
You're a racist.

[Zealot]

Originally posted by .A.K.4.7.+Mar 29 2007, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (.A.K.4.7. @ Mar 29 2007, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Zealot@Mar 29 2007, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by .A.K.4.7.@Mar 29 2007, 01:24 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Zealot@Mar 27 2007, 01:15 PM
In a recent poll conducted by the CBC a full 14% of CANADIAN MUSLIMS said they identify with extremists. Based on the estimated Muslims poplutation of Canada that 109718 muslims give or take a few who support terrorism living in Canada.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/islam/muslim-survey.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Canada
you guys acnt keep your mouths shut can you...
this started off as a topic about islam relgion and the first post in there is a generalizing negative statement about an entire group of the worlds population.
:rolleyes:
thats not a generalizing statement.

That is a extremely specific reference to a significant portion of Muslims who identify themselves as extremist.
You're missing the point. Would you go into a muslim temple and state what you stated in here? His topic had nothing negative in it, and you made it negative. [/b][/quote]
I wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings now would I?

[.A.K.4.7.]

You are as generalizing and negative as the islamist extremists you hate so?
just as vocal anyway.
aren't you?

[Zealot]

dude.. I've criticized Islam on two graffiti forums.. and had a few debates with my friends..

the extremists kidnap people and threaten to cut their heads off when they want to be voacal about something.

[.A.K.4.7.]

Originally posted by Zealot@Mar 29 2007, 09:56 PM
dude.. I've criticized Islam on two graffiti forums.. and had a few debates with my friends..

the extremists kidnap people and threaten to cut their heads off when they want to be voacal about something.
The cutting off of heads is an arab tradition.
just like hanging and electric chairs in our society... there is little difference.


you may talk, but our society invades their nations.
THEN and only then do they retaliate with their terrorism.

[.A.K.4.7.]

Originally posted by Zealot@Mar 29 2007, 09:56 PM
dude.. I've criticized Islam on two graffiti forums.. and had a few debates with my friends..

the extremists kidnap people and threaten to cut their heads off when they want to be voacal about something.
The cutting off of heads is an arab tradition.
just like hanging and electric chairs in our society... there is little difference.


you may talk, but our society invades their nations.
THEN and only then do they retaliate with their terrorism.

[Blak-T]

im going have to agree with ak on this one, how do you expect people to react when you have someone like the US who want to be the world police. And like its been stated before society is in a state where people feed of fear and the media is the food. Its no different then how people try to categorize evry black man wearing a white tee a thug, bange or slanger. You have to find the truth about any situation. And with all parts of life theres going to be the good with the bad u a have to take it, they run hand and hand....thats my two cents

[Zealot]

Originally posted by .A.K.4.7.+Mar 29 2007, 11:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (.A.K.4.7. @ Mar 29 2007, 11:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Zealot@Mar 29 2007, 09:56 PM
dude.. I've criticized Islam on two graffiti forums.. and had a few debates with my friends..

the extremists kidnap people and threaten to cut their heads off when they want to be voacal about something.
The cutting off of heads is an arab tradition.
just like hanging and electric chairs in our society... there is little difference.


you may talk, but our society invades their nations.
THEN and only then do they retaliate with their terrorism. [/b][/quote]
come on, we use the death penalty for murderers.. they use it for foreign journalists. Thats a HUGE difference.

and 9-11 happened first... and if we where to follow that logic then why isn't al-queda focusing on Russia?

anyways lets save the politics for the Iraq thread.

[.A.K.4.7.]

Originally posted by Zealot+Mar 29 2007, 10:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Zealot @ Mar 29 2007, 10:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by .A.K.4.7.@Mar 29 2007, 11:11 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Zealot@Mar 29 2007, 09:56 PM
dude.. I've criticized Islam on two graffiti forums.. and had a few debates with my friends..

the extremists kidnap people and threaten to cut their heads off when they want to be voacal about something.
The cutting off of heads is an arab tradition.
just like hanging and electric chairs in our society... there is little difference.


you may talk, but our society invades their nations.
THEN and only then do they retaliate with their terrorism.
come on, we use the death penalty for murderers.. they use it for foreign journalists. Thats a HUGE difference.

and 9-11 happened first... and if we where to follow that logic then why isn't al-queda focusing on Russia?

anyways lets save the politics for the Iraq thread. [/b][/quote]
No it's not. They cut off the heads of their enemy's, we shock the shit out of our murderers . NO DIFFERENCE. Sorry but there is no difference. What is humane about the death penalty? What is the difference between that and the decapitation of the captives of extremist's enemies? Nothing. Don't try to tell me the death penalty is any different to the death penalty of arab extermists.
Oh sorry, 9/11 happened first? Thats so short sighted its not even funny.

Don't you get it? They don't kill people for the sake of killing people. They don't bomb for the body count. They bomb for the headlines. They don't have a legitimate army. How are they supposed to fight? The only way they can is to attract the attention of the world, through terrorism. It works. You may talk your shit about their violence and bloodshed but at the same time, they are stealing the headlines of the world's media, and everyone that reads those headlines are supporting their cause. The killings themselves isn't the point. its the impact of those killings. You idiots just don't get that, you see it as murder, bloodshed blah blah blah.
What is the coalition doing in Iraq and Afghanistan? what is the death toll as result from those two wars? thousands? millions? Don't you understand that the extremist nature of various sects of islam is DUE TO THE INVASION of islamist countries by a Christian nation? Are you just going to ignore that fact?

Oh but they are fighting for world peace and stability... That makes it all okay.

:rolleyes:


You fail to understand the hypocracy of your statements. You are no different to them, you just refuse to admit it.

[.A.K.4.7.]

PS I love zaelot.

[STAR01]

Originally posted by SALVO@Mar 27 2007, 08:25 PM
There are a lot of negative misconceptions about Islam.
Just because your government tells you to fear and hate, it doesn't mean you don't have to.
Think for yourself,
that's exactly why i made this topic..

sorry i wasn't on it i was sick but im heren now;)


also i like to say ( i heard a lot of people saying that all terrorist are muslims and terrorism wouldnt exist if it wasn''t invented by muslims) but you forget the IRA, the ETA nd other organizations who aren't islamic or even religious... you see terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan and you automaticly connect that to islam.. in Holland (were i live) we have 5,8% of almost 17 million people who are muslims, we don't have any problems with islam, offcourse there are acceptions but the biggest and most dangereous people here are still the Dutch.
You see them as the "bad" but how many of "our"people have they killed?? not much if you compare it to the number of people Bush killed.. i know probably none of you will agree to the message im tryin to care out(part of that will be my bad english, i don;t know how to say what im really trying to tell you) but part of it will be due to the fact you don't WANT to listen cause it just easier to have an enemie someone to blame for all the problems...

[STAR01]

Originally posted by nero122@Mar 28 2007, 08:11 PM
yo no offence mods but do youre jobs this threads cuasing problems people are arguing over religion n shit n starone allhahu akbar is what the terrorrist on the tube 7/7 bombings n 9/11 bombings shouted before they blew them self up if im not rite correct me but it mean hail alha or for alah n i agree what kay said this is a graffiti forum not a religion /suicide bombing recruitment site no offence to islam , i have no problem with peacful sides of religion if
this forum hasnt just been for graff for a long time we have forums about the most useless things i thought to open a discussion here nd clear the misunderstandings between muslims nd non-muslims nd it did actually so just put away all your hate nd what not and just read or get lost...

[The 5th one]

Originally posted by BIGel+Mar 29 2007, 03:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BIGel @ Mar 29 2007, 03:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-The 5th one@Mar 29 2007, 01:28 PM
and 'you' muslims guys cant bring anything postive to the world can you?

not too hard to figure out here....in the present climate.

theres no point in this thread, i just cannot understand how people can have a positive view on islam, even if your not extremist your still supporting it, and that is also encouraging it.
through your eyes, i would be suprised if you had a positive, unbigoted view on anything at all. have you ever stopped to consider that maybe you dont hear about muslims doing good things because you live in a country where the only information your given about muslims is terrorist-related?

I dont seem to be able to make you understand the fact that the majority of muslims are not extremist maniacs looking to kill you. In fact there are millions of muslims, many in my community, who are generous, loving, happy people; people that help each other and try not to harshly judge people like you who do nothing but stereotype and belittle them. So many muslims are good people just trying to endure the daily racial profiling they recieve, especially in the US, but you cant accept them as just another human being because you're a bigoted ignorant asshole.

personally i think its a miracle the muslims and other minorities in your community havent knocked your fucking teeth out; and the fact that they havent done this yet is a testament to their patience and peace. [/b][/quote]
i like how you say....'yet'

means alot.


sorry, i did not mean to generalise with just 'muslim'..more so extremists.

seriously, i understand what you mean steryotyping etc...but thats waht this world is all about- discrimination.

you dont have to be muslim to be happy caring people, so if there are any postives to 'islam' which is what the whole thread is about...then please...enlighten me, i would like to know. for my own muslim friends cannot tell me anything positive.

racist??? dude...if thats how your little mind perceives this, then so be it. I feel the islam community is more of a threat than any other religion or group atm because of the last few years. I dont see how bombing the u.s.a or u.k and other places is harmony, or positive or happy and caring as the other guy said.
If you see that as racist, thats your view and right. so leave me to have mine, instead of causeing more discrimination.

i see what i see, i make my own mind up, as should most people, dont follow the government, or other people just because you cannot conjur up your own ideas...everyones view on islam is different, and you have to understand everyone has had different experiences with it.

[BIGel]

you know what fuck it then this is like trying to argue about anti-semetism with hitler. i know this is going nowhere. i know that shit about your muslim friends aint true, your entire argument thus far has been based on your personal experience with muslims. ill call you a racist cuz thats what you are, nevermind whos mind it comes from. im done arguing this tho, whatever you win.

[AteskOne]

Originally posted by The 5th one@Mar 31 2007, 04:48 PM
i see what i see, i make my own mind up, as should most people, dont follow the government, or other people just because you cannot conjur up your own ideas
arent you following the mass opinion of the nation with all of your statements though? you feel that the islamic communty is a threat...i'm pretty sure the majority of people in the US would agree with that same thought. so in a sense...you are following other people because you listened, just as they did, to what the government fed you about them being a threat. you did not make up your own mind you followed the rest of the heard.

[Slushi]

You're all douchebags. This thread sucks.

[Zealot]

I have way more respect for the people I disagree with in this thread than I do for apathetic mush heads who don't care about the world around them.

and AK I dont want to debate Iraq Afaghanistan in this thread.. Go find the Iraq thread I made some points in there you never responded too.

P.s. I love you too.

[Zealot]

Originally posted by AteskOne+Mar 31 2007, 07:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AteskOne @ Mar 31 2007, 07:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-The 5th one@Mar 31 2007, 04:48 PM
i see what i see, i make my own mind up, as should most people, dont follow the government, or other people just because you cannot conjur up your own ideas
arent you following the mass opinion of the nation with all of your statements though? you feel that the islamic communty is a threat...i'm pretty sure the majority of people in the US would agree with that same thought. so in a sense...you are following other people because you listened, just as they did, to what the government fed you about them being a threat. you did not make up your own mind you followed the rest of the heard. [/b][/quote]
Listen dude, I live in Canada and this country is obsessed with being politically correct and doing everything possible to appease Muslims in general. The CBC's even started a TV show to further warm Canadians up to Muslim's. What you are refering to is definately not the mass opinion here.

[explosivo_420]

My ex-girlfriend was Paki so she celebrated Ramadan and I tried to as well with her.

She was definitly hot, and Islamic culture intreged me much so.

[AteskOne]

Originally posted by Zealot+Mar 31 2007, 07:05 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Zealot @ Mar 31 2007, 07:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by AteskOne@Mar 31 2007, 07:10 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-The 5th one@Mar 31 2007, 04:48 PM
i see what i see, i make my own mind up, as should most people, dont follow the government, or other people just because you cannot conjur up your own ideas
arent you following the mass opinion of the nation with all of your statements though? you feel that the islamic communty is a threat...i'm pretty sure the majority of people in the US would agree with that same thought. so in a sense...you are following other people because you listened, just as they did, to what the government fed you about them being a threat. you did not make up your own mind you followed the rest of the heard.
Listen dude, I live in Canada and this country is obsessed with being politically correct and doing everything possible to appease Muslims in general. The CBC's even started a TV show to further warm Canadians up to Muslim's. What you are refering to is definately not the mass opinion here. [/b][/quote]
ok...well i dont live in canada. notice i said the mass opinion of the nation. as in my nation. as in the US. where racism and prejudicy run freely.

[.A.K.4.7.]

Originally posted by Zealot@Mar 31 2007, 06:58 PM
I have way more respect for the people I disagree with in this thread than I do for apathetic mush heads who don't care about the world around them.

and AK I dont want to debate Iraq Afaghanistan in this thread.. Go find the Iraq thread I made some points in there you never responded too.

P.s. I love you too.
But you see, those wars have so much to do with this debate. Because it is due to these wars that 90% of these hard-done-by extremist Muslims have so much urge to fight for their cause.

And to that simple minded girl, I find little worth in even reading your arguments.

"racist??? dude...if thats how your little mind perceives this, then so be it. "

'racist

adjective
1. based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
2. discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion'

You are racist, how does it feel?


It does not matter whether or not a percentage of Muslims classify themselves as extremist. This is not important. One can believe in a cause without fighting for it. Just because those Muslims may classify themselves as extremist, this does not mean they will go to extreme measures to uphold it. You are generalising the actions of few, on an entire religion. You cannot possibly find sense in this.

[vegimite on toast]

anyone can be a muslim
islam isnt a race

[.A.K.4.7.]

Yes. Correct. But the definition still suits her.

[.A.K.4.7.]

Dumb whore.