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kyer
09-04-2004, 10:41 PM
which is better???

bbbbbbbbbbbbb
09-04-2004, 10:42 PM
Pilot. Doesn't run out as quick.

dcite
09-04-2004, 10:59 PM
otrs are sick, i love how they write. my friend has a pink one, im pretty sure the otrs have more vibrant colors

ViKn
09-04-2004, 11:11 PM
The abillity to spell bests both of them.

Kayone707
09-05-2004, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by ViKn@Sep 4 2004, 09:11 PM
The abillity to spell bests both of them.
hahaha i dident even Knowtice........ <_<

AmnioticOne
09-05-2004, 12:18 AM
spell bests both of them??

Urchin
09-05-2004, 12:50 AM
Someone pull the internet dork alarm- someone made a spelling mistake&#33; <SFX = SIRENS, KEYBOARDS>

And the flowpen is a nice drippy marker... very fun to write with... I&#39;ve never tried a pilot though. So I can&#39;t compare the two. OTR is a good investment, though, if you&#39;re watching your cash.

expo
09-05-2004, 01:47 AM
zigs just refill them i love the way they write and they can be fucking drippy

casperFT
09-05-2004, 01:59 AM
flow pens are the shit but ive never used a pilot

GeSuS_KRiST
09-05-2004, 02:53 AM
pilots are classic but i have to go with flow pens if u dont make everything drip on them they last while the hard to buff and a few other have the same pump system and i NEVER leave anywhere with out a hard to buff

007
09-05-2004, 03:11 AM
pilots

GeSuS_KRiST
09-05-2004, 03:17 AM
have u used a flowpen?

vegimite on toast
09-05-2004, 03:40 AM
hey gesus and the whole smk crew are you guys ever gonna get over that peice i mean you basically use it on every one of your sigs have you got any others?

Skore_One
09-05-2004, 03:58 AM
id have to say flow pen i bought a pilot and used it once i hated it

MoNkEy
09-05-2004, 06:20 AM
ive only had a pilot before they are allrite but not very hard to buff, the rub off pretty easily.

atxbomber666
09-05-2004, 09:04 AM
ive never had a pilot but i have like 3 otrs and they fucking rule.

-> DUMB ONE <-
09-05-2004, 11:17 AM
pilots fucking burn. if you want clean lines and no drips, pilots. if you want drips, flowpen. overall i would rather rock a pilot over a flowpen. once your pilot is empty, if you would like you can pull the cotton out from inside, pull out the nib, top a sock/eraser nib on it, fill with ink, bamooo, you have a nice drippy mop.

Ravek
09-05-2004, 11:23 AM
pilot is better purchase and is cheaper and the ink doesn&#39;t fade, it has a really tuff nib but the ink lacks in color basic black is best.... the flowpen is just a fancy marker with fading ink, and it can be buffed with rubbing alcohol and its like 10 dollars the nib is good size but i guess u have to make ur own ink or modify the stock ink to make it better. the colors are nice tho. If u want a black marker get a pilot, if u want color get a flowpen

Kayone707
09-05-2004, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by vegimite on toast@Sep 5 2004, 01:40 AM
hey gesus and the whole smk crew are you guys ever gonna get over that peice i mean you basically use it on every one of your sigs have you got any others?
are you gonna get over drawin naked women and try gettin some pussy??? grow up kid....

kyer
09-05-2004, 03:54 PM
yeah i plan on making a garvey, pilot, griffin mixture to fill my flowpen but overall if i used custom ink u think the flowpen would be better?

i_like_drips
09-05-2004, 04:07 PM
pilot ink sux, but they are still ill for refillin and shit like that

$kaN.One.604
09-05-2004, 06:32 PM
Hmm Pilots ink is shitty and annoying wen it gets on your hands because its sticky, on the run pens are the shit they dont drip ad good tho

STRIFE
09-06-2004, 09:36 PM
PILOT, i got 3 of em, my nibs startin to wear down tho

Kayone707
09-06-2004, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by &#036;kaN.One.604@Sep 5 2004, 04:32 PM
Hmm Pilots ink is shitty and annoying wen it gets on your hands because its sticky, on the run pens are the shit they dont drip ad good tho
that means the ink is good&#33;&#33; <_< :rolleyes: i havent used a "PLOWPEN" and i quote....
but i have 2 pilots....and i swear by them....

mr. she77
09-06-2004, 09:40 PM
buy a sakura silver.

dcite
09-07-2004, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by Urchin@Sep 5 2004, 12:50 AM
Someone pull the internet dork alarm- someone made a spelling mistake&#33; <SFX = SIRENS, KEYBOARDS>

hahahah

pSYKAOz
09-07-2004, 10:29 PM
i prefer flow pens, larger nib and it writes smoother. and it runs out less fast. well also i dont pump em for drips.

kyer
09-12-2004, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by pSYKAOz@Sep 7 2004, 10:29 PM
i prefer flow pens, larger nib and it writes smoother. and it runs out less fast. well also i dont pump em for drips.
so flowpens can get clean lines if u dont pump it for drips?

rank
10-12-2004, 07:09 PM
ya i keep hearing about these sick silver and gold jumbo pilots... does any1 know where 2 get em??

MadBomber
10-13-2004, 10:36 PM
i like using the both of them but i would prefer using the pilot

glue
10-14-2004, 01:12 PM
flowpens are horrible for outside use, if you use them use them on busses subways and all that shit, because the dont smell that much, but the ink is horrible, it fades realy fast like the come completely off after it rains, but i do enjoy hitting bus stops with them. pilots are for sure the bettwer buy they stay on in the rain and dont fade, but there not great for drips, unless you modify them. i usually stick to pilots and sakuras.

jOker
10-14-2004, 02:03 PM
i think the otr&#39;s write way better and look sooo dope with the colorfull drips
but pilots have got to be the classic...refillable and if the nib wears down just flip it around and jam eraser felts or whatever in the top of the carcas to make up for the gap between the worn, inverted nib and the felt already in the carcass.
have had mine for atleast a year and a half and i swear by it&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

ONLY USE BLACK...the blue pilot ink let me down. long live the pilot

garamba
11-02-2004, 11:06 AM
are you really even comparing pilots to eny pumping system marker&#33;&#33;&#33;

denali
11-02-2004, 07:34 PM
that was a question....question marks go at the end of a question.....not exclamation points....

let me demonstrate...

Me: are you gay?

garamba: Yes&#33;

joust
11-02-2004, 07:44 PM
OTR&#39;s are hard to get used to in my oppinion, the pilot is incredibly smooth and cheap, good ink refills too.

denali
11-02-2004, 08:10 PM
y in some pictures the jumbo pilot marker has curvey black and white lines and on others they are straight? are there different ones or something?

Blacaso
11-02-2004, 08:26 PM
OTR flowpens are the shit. neva used a pilot. But the scrawl pens are a waste of money.

karkizm
11-02-2004, 10:55 PM
otr <3

GeSuS_KRiST
11-03-2004, 02:34 AM
for sure its all about otr and montana markers yea pilots are good if u mod them but fuckin mini hard to buffs had me at hard2buff

PANIC!FUP_MORE...
11-03-2004, 11:49 AM
otr&#39;s have doper colors but pilots are overall better markers..they last alot longr n the ink is more permanant

cyras1
11-03-2004, 02:17 PM
i dont think i tried any of them but i usually stick with the sakuras, now they really last&#33;

cyras1
11-03-2004, 02:24 PM
hav eya ever tried a Dalo paint marker? thier pretty bad but it takes too long to dry.

smerdera
11-07-2004, 03:52 PM
dalos are strange-gotta love ballpoint industrial markers, i have a markal paint marker that is similar, its just a soft plastic bottle with a big metal ballpoint on it, makes the same ugly lines as the dalo-fun for a change though

smerdera
11-07-2004, 11:25 PM
and i love "plowpens"

pSYKAOz
11-08-2004, 12:34 AM
um... flowpens do not get buffed by rain lol...


they actually stain alot... but pilots will leave a ghost on some surfaces...

i personnally screw up all my tags with pilots lol... too big and not big enuff haha...

like pentel white is my fave for small tags and an otr or montana for big ones.
as for the ink... just put in some marsh or nero and youll get a killer marker.

i suggest getting otr mettalics or h2b over the flowpen though...
and mixing nero and H2B ink makes a really nice ink... nero stains like hell but fades fast since what doesnt go &#39;in&#39; the surfaces comes off easy, but H2B is really thick n black but doesnt go in as much... so u mix both ang get a really nice ink....

i dont really ever do drippy tags with pump system markers... i just like how the nib is shaped and its material and how its always juiced.... do a bunch of big quick tags with a pilot thats starting to not be so full and the nib wont be juiced enuff...

Jesustron
11-08-2004, 01:19 AM
OTR Hard to Buff with Garvey mixed with pilot supercolor ink .... flows like magic.

RookieX412
11-08-2004, 06:53 PM
...i like the OTR H2B...even tho pilots are good too...

Kingz514
01-08-2006, 07:23 PM
flowpens are awesome
go thru ink pretty quick tho

Royal47
01-10-2006, 03:56 PM
Ravek stated correctly that OTR&#39;s are fancier than the Pilot. I started with Montana L markers, which i find bad as the nib is not two sided, so you cant flip it over if it gets consumed. I have several OTRs, 1 flowpen which is perfect since the stock nib on a flowpen is better than the normal otr nib. it lets more ink flow.
But i hardly use my flowpen because theyre hard to find and the nib is more fragile than Pilots.
Pilot is perfect for any condition and surface, thats why its so popular and the fact that its got the nib connected directly to the cotton inside means that it wont leak (never did for me) and and you wont waste ink when you write.
As for clean lines, it depends on how much the nib is worn down and for flowpens the only part which is dirty is where theres a leak.
Pilots cost less than OTR&#39;s and i find them much more practical.

Royal47
01-10-2006, 03:56 PM
sorry
double post

EnsineUk
03-31-2006, 11:36 AM
you&#39;s all mess on with stock ink, get sum grog or inferno ink, the best stain ink availible, fill ya flowpen with that and your sorted.

it will never fade, and will resist chemical buff definately.

i dont know where to get it over there, but in england its easy to come by.

also if ya cannit get ahold of stain, you could go to an old fashion shoe shop (omg) they should sell leather dye. same principal really, wont fade and will sort of resist buff, however not as much as real staina.

get purple leather dye it looks class - real cool effect.

and i havent a clue wot pilots are???????

and if ya havent got a pen and u have a burger or hot dog (in england its kebabs) tag windows with that - funny as fuck. the grease even congeals when ya look at them the next day, pure quality&#33;

Vorce
03-31-2006, 12:21 PM
dude ensineuk youre pretty wierd


as for pilots there hella fat permanent markers that are refillable




why waste a perfect hot dawg or kebabs( :ph34r: )

epik!
03-31-2006, 02:01 PM
yeah id go with pilots...dont leak, nice durable nib, and you store it upside down in your pocket for a while and it the nib wont dry out when you in the middle of a tag
not to mention very cheap and easy to get

fatman
03-31-2006, 02:08 PM
Fatman sayz pilot ova flowpen. y? pilots are mad gud got ill ass lines, not illegal, and i dont like dripz all the time. they las made long for stock ink

MuramZA
03-31-2006, 02:14 PM
Originally posted by cyras1@Nov 3 2004, 03:17 PM
i dont think i tried any of them but i usually stick with the sakuras, now they really last&#33;
^^ I&#39;ll go with Sakura overall. Between Pilot and OTR... OTR

JadedSketches
03-31-2006, 05:23 PM
PILOTS

SeKs
03-31-2006, 10:20 PM
Gotta Go Pilots. I&#39;m Rockin a Green and a black one myself. Greenie let me down when i twisted the cap off.... damn thing broke, so now i have a stone dry nib and still wet cotton ink inside the shell.

Any idea&#39;s on geting the ink out of that and milking it into my black one? Sounds Crazy i know but I believ it still should be black. I just want my black to be more drippy when i put it to an eletrical box.

Would Hydrogen peroxide work well in there too?

xDISMALx
03-31-2006, 10:39 PM
pilots ive only used a flow pen once but i like pilots better and you can find them at art stores and shit

JadedSketches
03-31-2006, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by SeKs@Mar 31 2006, 11:20 PM
Gotta Go Pilots. I&#39;m Rockin a Green and a black one myself. Greenie let me down when i twisted the cap off.... damn thing broke, so now i have a stone dry nib and still wet cotton ink inside the shell.

Any idea&#39;s on geting the ink out of that and milking it into my black one? Sounds Crazy i know but I believ it still should be black. I just want my black to be more drippy when i put it to an eletrical box.

Would Hydrogen peroxide work well in there too?
i dont think hydrogen peroxide would work, but i dont fully understand what youre trying to do.

flicks would help.

SeKs
03-31-2006, 10:53 PM
Wel i was reading on ink recipes or some other thread and it said something amoung Hydrogen Peroxide/windex/amonia would help better stain... or somethign to that effect.

What do you guys put in it besides stock ink? And can anyone tell me how to milk the ink out of the cotton?

SeKs
03-31-2006, 11:02 PM
Double post, yeah yeah.

Ok, figured out it was supposed to burn through glass and shit, oh well.



but still, what else to put it in it? And how do i get the ink out of the cotton? May be a toy question but still, i&#39;m wonderin, never done it before.

JadedSketches
03-31-2006, 11:11 PM
brake fluid or fish oil mixed to ink will make it stain glass

minor crimes
04-01-2006, 06:17 AM
ive never used both... but im preety sure that otr would beat the pilot coz the flowpen is made for drips so u can control them and refill them where the pilot is like a felt ink thingo in the middle. so its liek felt ink

settybomb
04-11-2006, 11:10 AM
i need to fix my flowpen. Someone post tutorials on making a nib for a flowpen rather then me taking the time and searching for it like i should. Even though i tell kids to search all the time. but i dont want to so links people links.

Flowpens rock, i just cant seem to get my replacement nibs right.

force
04-11-2006, 01:18 PM
I got a pilot.. some places they buff easy, other they don&#39;t.. they got one bad ass headache of a small to em though,lol

RKT47
04-11-2006, 02:10 PM
do most ppl not just use homemades?

anarchy
04-11-2006, 04:08 PM
pilots

BRAINE
04-11-2006, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by settybomb@Apr 11 2006, 11:10 AM
i need to fix my flowpen. Someone post tutorials on making a nib for a flowpen rather then me taking the time and searching for it like i should. Even though i tell kids to search all the time. but i dont want to so links people links.

Flowpens rock, i just cant seem to get my replacement nibs right.
nib for otr. (http://bombingscience.com/view.php?image=http://www.bombingscience.com/shop/image/markers/marker-nib-1.jpg)

E-Terror
04-11-2006, 04:26 PM
Pilots 110% brah

Royal47
04-11-2006, 04:40 PM
they are both very different.
pilot is a classic and uses ink. use nero, grog, corio, montana..whatever ink you want. it wont drip in your pocket unless you over fill it. has a very strong tip and writes well.

otr 60&#39;s work with paint..pump system sometimes doesnt allow for a perfect flow of paint out of the tip. OBVIOUSLY there are more colours..but they are easy to buff as its acrylic paint.

otr inks work well..because its ink and it flows well..but again since its using pump system its risky because it can drip in your pocket. you can create effects by varying the pressure you put on the pen.


choose which one you like..
otr 60&#39;s are good if you tag places that are not going to get buffed regularly..
pilots win over the otr inks as they are &#39;cleaner&#39; and more convenient. they cost less too.

settybomb
04-11-2006, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by BRAINE+Apr 11 2006, 04:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BRAINE @ Apr 11 2006, 04:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-settybomb@Apr 11 2006, 11:10 AM
i need to fix my flowpen. Someone post tutorials on making a nib for a flowpen rather then me taking the time and searching for it like i should. Even though i tell kids to search all the time. but i dont want to so links people links.

Flowpens rock, i just cant seem to get my replacement nibs right.
nib for otr. (http://bombingscience.com/view.php?image=http://www.bombingscience.com/shop/image/markers/marker-nib-1.jpg) [/b][/quote]
You are the fucking man.

textathief
04-15-2006, 05:41 PM
id have to go with pilots but i rekon jumbo pentels are the best i rank pilots and pentel 1 cause theyre cheap and easy to use. Otrs are alrite.

E-terror ur a adlay ey

R00k1
04-15-2006, 05:49 PM
Both are good..Have their difs..I use flowpens more though..Like in bathrooms or something inside..Pilots I use outside

WAKE-1
04-15-2006, 05:59 PM
where can u get pilots?

minor crimes
04-15-2006, 08:00 PM
try ur local wal mart or sumfin or a newsagent place (place that sells mags and papers) i dnt live in america so i wont kno wer to get them, i jst hope im right
also try and go to a stationary store :P

3pik norsk1
04-16-2006, 07:24 PM
cant you take out the cotton inside a pilot so it will hold more ink?

also what is the most permanent ink i can fill a pilot with?

CeenWah?
04-17-2006, 10:13 PM
Well i never tried either of them. Because you have to order the OTR online and im too cheap for that so i steal some magnum and then i make my own markers. ITS CHEAPER TOOOOOOOO&#33;&#33;&#33;

kill
04-17-2006, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by 3pik norsk1@Apr 16 2006, 07:24 PM
cant you take out the cotton inside a pilot so it will hold more ink?

also what is the most permanent ink i can fill a pilot with?
garvey
good staining power

kill
04-17-2006, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by 3pik norsk1@Apr 16 2006, 07:24 PM
cant you take out the cotton inside a pilot so it will hold more ink?

also what is the most permanent ink i can fill a pilot with?
garvey
good staining power

textathief
04-17-2006, 11:24 PM
i wouldnt suggest taking the "cotton" out of the pilot cause that absorbs the ink for it and its very usful. u dont want n e leakage.
If ur in australia u should try looking at office works for ur pens they have some good shit u can buy a pentel jumbo for &#036;9 (thats a good price) or jumbo pilots for &#036;11

textathief
04-17-2006, 11:26 PM
lol kill advanced member and double posting tut tut (jkes)

Iamyourrealfatherbitchnigga
04-25-2006, 02:25 PM
I&#39;de dont really use either very often so ide prob say pilots. Flowpens leak waaaay to much and I really hate loseing ink cause its leaking everywhere. Pilots are mehhh.

I preffer just useing kiwi mops with ghetto krink. Even though those leak too I just like the grimeyness of tags that drip down to the floor. Even though you gotta carry them in a ziplock bag

SMTXgraffin
04-25-2006, 06:03 PM
Modded pilot.... by far

E-Terror
04-25-2006, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by textathief@Apr 15 2006, 05:41 PM
id have to go with pilots but i rekon jumbo pentels are the best i rank pilots and pentel 1 cause theyre cheap and easy to use. Otrs are alrite.

E-terror ur a adlay ey
whats that supposed to mean?

SMTXgraffin
04-25-2006, 06:21 PM
Originally posted by E&#045;Terror+Apr 25 2006, 06:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (E-Terror @ Apr 25 2006, 06:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-textathief@Apr 15 2006, 05:41 PM
id have to go with pilots but i rekon jumbo pentels are the best i rank pilots and pentel 1 cause theyre cheap and easy to use. Otrs are alrite.

E-terror ur a adlay ey
whats that supposed to mean? [/b][/quote]
It&#39;s idiot for "I&#39;m a dumb cunt".

SeKs
04-25-2006, 06:25 PM
As for taking out the cotton and filling it with garvey.. taking candel wax and dripping it hot over the edges on both sides of the seal where the nib is should work, that or super glue :ph34r:

Anyone got a tutorial on just using the shell of a pilot for a homemade marker? like i said in an earlier post it broke on me, all i have is the shell.

textathief
04-26-2006, 09:28 AM
u should try reading over some things in homemade markers. it may not have n e 1 thing about the pilot but their are similar pens that can can b modded and which should b able to work for the pilot also.

xDISMALx
04-26-2006, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by SeKs@Apr 25 2006, 06:25 PM


Anyone got a tutorial on just using the shell of a pilot for a homemade marker? like i said in an earlier post it broke on me, all i have is the shell.
take out cottton
put in ghetto krink
put in chalk board eraser felt
tape
glue as for a cap i dunno figure that out yourself

PureSole
04-26-2006, 05:00 PM
Flowpen>Pilot
I like both, Pilot looks so cleannnn on a surface but Flowpens kill it
they look good with colors
Nib for pilot is better, however

textathief
04-28-2006, 05:10 AM
molotow burner colour looks better

minor crimes
04-28-2006, 05:22 AM
fucking molotow burner copper otrs are fucking dope i bought 1 today and it is sick inside trains n shit

DoMiNo
05-02-2006, 07:26 PM
wawt would be the best markkers to tag up on trains and shyt....???? something that will last for a long time no matter if the spray it or wateva

FWBMeth
05-02-2006, 07:34 PM
meanstreAKs

"REACT"
05-02-2006, 09:12 PM
yeah man meanstreaks last and last so do the sakura things (same thing)

you cant rele compare pilot and flowpen b/c they are both great in thier own way its like apples and oranges

Meko, ya heard?
03-24-2008, 08:22 PM
this is a little off topic but i have a mini otr flowpen, and the nib got really smushed and it seems like it goes into the marker and stays more. i can't order another nib, and i dunno but i've had a load of problems with the damn thing. like i open it and ink just pours out when you unscrew it. and it just sorta comes apart, and it doesn't drip very well... i think next time i'll just stick to a zig...

is there anything i can do to fix the nib?
where in texas could i get a pilot? they sound aight

kog_throwie
03-24-2008, 08:53 PM
flowpens are so easy to buff, i poured acetone on it and it cake right off without rubbing

HAJA
03-24-2008, 09:19 PM
i always thought pilots where like sharpie magnums or somthing, ive never seen them any where here, ive looked

acereborn
03-24-2008, 10:50 PM
flowpens are so easy to buff, i poured acetone on it and it cake right off without rubbing

you can still pour in your own though..

kog_throwie
03-28-2008, 08:39 PM
yeah but people are talking about the ink, and its doo doo

balls deep
03-28-2008, 09:01 PM
i always thought pilots where like sharpie magnums or somthing, ive never seen them any where here, ive looked

wow,where do you live lol there better because you can refill em and do lot's more mods to em' than magnums'

Kayone707
03-28-2008, 09:06 PM
i love plowpens

SAID
03-28-2008, 09:19 PM
PLOWPENS
its like that family guy,
sorry teacher, dont take this the wrong way, but our son, he wants to..
plowwwww you.
plowpens....
hahahaa

GTV
05-19-2008, 09:43 AM
pilot has 4 colors blue, green, red ,black.

blue and black stains the hardest and red and green not so much.

the 2 only good otrs are hard to buff and flowpen the rest are crap

i like pilot more and runns out much slower and smells like fucking cow shit

and u can rack pilots and if u wana buy it its only 5$ and otrs are 7$.

Allthegoodnamesaretaken
05-19-2008, 10:14 AM
Pilots suck compared to this marker my store used to stock, it was called SNOMEN... It was exactly like a pilot but it was plastic, and refillable but the ink inside wouldn't fade for years... I tested the both on a bus stop I take everyday to school in front of my home and the pilot ink faded in 2-3 weeks whilethe snoman is still jet black looks like I just did it.
If you guys can get a hold of that shit, You better get it. My store stopped selling it... I should have bought it and sold it to you guys.. oh well.
http://www.trustexporter.com/upload/2008-03-13/49471547851923.jpg
It looked like that but they had bigger sizes... I cant find it on the internet anywhere

BigBlueViolence
05-19-2008, 10:49 AM
Pilots suck compared to this marker my store used to stock, it was called SNOMEN... It was exactly like a pilot but it was plastic, and refillable but the ink inside wouldn't fade for years... I tested the both on a bus stop I take everyday to school in front of my home and the pilot ink faded in 2-3 weeks whilethe snoman is still jet black looks like I just did it.
If you guys can get a hold of that shit, You better get it. My store stopped selling it... I should have bought it and sold it to you guys.. oh well.
http://www.trustexporter.com/upload/2008-03-13/49471547851923.jpg
It looked like that but they had bigger sizes... I cant find it on the internet anywhere
It didn't fade because it's paint, not ink. It won't stain like the Pilot will, but it'll hold better in the light

Allthegoodnamesaretaken
05-19-2008, 11:21 AM
no, it was an ink kind. The one I had was ink, and it was the size of an otr but a little bit thicker and shorter.

Batman_Onest
05-19-2008, 11:23 AM
I hate otr.