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smokeitup
12-11-2011, 12:06 AM
toy question: anyone use a respirator when painting, should i be worried if i never use one, what area the possible harmful effects of not using one.

MN Nice
12-11-2011, 12:16 AM
Just cover your face. It takes a lot of fumes to fuck you up.

Coleo
12-13-2011, 07:05 PM
so true^

mace2200
12-13-2011, 08:33 PM
how do i change my avatar thing????????????????????????????????

mace2200
12-13-2011, 08:36 PM
Also how good are the junobo mops i ordered a bombing science purple one.

mace2200
12-13-2011, 09:11 PM
whats the free marker at 500 credits

Coleo
12-13-2011, 09:15 PM
a random marker

Coleo
12-13-2011, 09:16 PM
Also how good are the junobo mops i ordered a bombing science purple one.
and seriously dude already told you they're great come on!

mace2200
12-13-2011, 10:54 PM
so i could get another junobo mop? possibly

MN Nice
12-13-2011, 11:04 PM
Stop flooding the forum

mace2200
12-13-2011, 11:19 PM
idc i hav ?s and u dont

MN Nice
12-13-2011, 11:52 PM
No, you're posting on every fucking thread on here trying to get credits for free shit since you're 14 and can't get a job.

Strange Journeys
12-14-2011, 12:11 AM
i guarantee the free marker is going to be one of the shitty ass markwell markers, which are shitty. only thing worth saving up for is free shipping.

Coleo
12-14-2011, 09:10 AM
No, you're posting on every fucking thread on here trying to get credits for free shit since you're 14 and can't get a job.
lol you figured him out! mace im pretty sure thats catigorized as spaming

mace2200
12-14-2011, 09:16 AM
^ no i just have no life, im just sittin around lookin at everything cuz im lazy
@MN nice, ur wrong

Phat 2
12-14-2011, 12:47 PM
mace2200 and coleo, stop flooding or you're outta here
do not reply to this post

Coleo
12-14-2011, 03:32 PM
well i gotta question
What chizel tip marker do you guys think is the best?
in-expencive to expencive doesnt matter

ribcage
12-14-2011, 03:34 PM
What chizel tip marker do you guys think is the best?

dis dick

Coleo
12-14-2011, 03:36 PM
wat?!?^ jus looking for opinions

sadgeh
12-14-2011, 04:04 PM
yeah, dis dick

Coleo
12-14-2011, 04:23 PM
ass wipe

Phat 2
12-14-2011, 06:27 PM
take it to the chat thread motherfuckers. next person to fucking flood with nonsense gets an infraction

Fury
12-15-2011, 05:28 PM
Why did Rib get banned?
Legit, useful question.

Mr. November
12-15-2011, 06:23 PM
Why did Rib get banned?
Legit, useful question.

He's banned?! He was my fav. troll on this forum. :mad:

Mori
12-15-2011, 06:43 PM
^ ha ha. But on the reals. I got this junobo scrawler and it is extremely dry. I have only used sakura mean streaks in the past. Does anyone know what's up with junobo mean streaks? Are they all this dry our did I get a bad batch. Cause I can barely cut them

Coleo
12-15-2011, 07:42 PM
just prep it write a few circles and and get it hot so it starts to melt almost

Mori
12-15-2011, 09:22 PM
Ya working a little better now. Definitely not as buttery as the ones sakura makes

Z3BRA
12-18-2011, 01:10 AM
can you get arrested for stickers

MN Nice
12-18-2011, 01:25 AM
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmtlxtt5AO1qgf1i8o1_500.jpg ^

Phillip McDougall
12-18-2011, 11:56 AM
Technically, it's a felony to use them for reasons other than sending them in the mail. But no cop knows that.

poisn
12-19-2011, 08:59 PM
hello i was wondering are deco colors better then sharpie's?

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
12-19-2011, 09:00 PM
yes, deco=paint, sharpie=ink solution stick thingy


He's banned?! He was my fav. troll on this forum. :mad:
and you were my least favorite fag on this forum

poisn
12-19-2011, 10:17 PM
but what about sharpie paint? or is poster paint better?

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
12-19-2011, 10:19 PM
decos shit on both of those

MN Nice
12-19-2011, 10:20 PM
Poster paint blows.

Phillip McDougall
12-20-2011, 05:03 AM
Decos > Sharpie paints. Always.

Golden
12-20-2011, 08:04 PM
what is the worst thing that can happen if u get caught sticker slaping

Phat 2
12-20-2011, 08:07 PM
shouted at.
now fuck off with your dipshit questions please. and try to think before you post.

Phillip McDougall
12-20-2011, 08:23 PM
You shouldn't worry about it because if you are, you really should just get out of graffiti now.

Mori
12-22-2011, 12:02 PM
ha ha best advice I've heard you give Phil

r4wrs4uce
12-24-2011, 12:05 AM
Hey man its a good question it's the toy thread for a reason... not for elders to bash toys and post pointless shit... which is what most of the toy threads are now, but anyway i doubt its a big deal if you get caught, first of all you shouldn't be getting caught you take the sticker off the paper put it on something walk away, you would have to be mentally challenged to get caught doing this, it should take half a second.

Also can someone be arrested for tagging something being seen but not being caught, and then walking around casually but not possesing any graff supplies, and that same person happens to see you and they start flipping shit on you. Whos word be tooken the crazy ass guy saying I tagged a sign near his house or the little white boy?
Because I belive someone saw me tagging said nothing and I didnt really have anything covering facial features (I was running for cross country) except for maybe a hood on can't remember if it was on or off...

Also...... can you get markers speciffically ment for graff/caps like (fats or skinnys) at stores like home depot, lowes, or michaels?

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
12-24-2011, 05:02 AM
because all people ever seen caught by the cops for [utting up a rather large sticker must be a retard.

This post^^ brings me back to some other retard on here who begged to differ on time and place of tagging/bombing. If you go out during the evening or early at night and start to bomb, and not no pussy shit like most on here, and someone happens to see you, and you go out for a night on the town after, assuming that your not under age, like 90 percent of douches on here, then theres a likely possibility the person may snitch. it doesnt take a lot for someone with no graffiti influenced background to snitch on something they think is stupid or pointless

sadgeh
12-24-2011, 07:47 AM
Wait what? If you live in the US cant you walk around at night if youre under 21 or what?

r4wrs4uce
12-24-2011, 09:51 AM
Wait what? If you live in the US cant you walk around at night if youre under 21 or what?


In Virginia if your under 18 curfew is midnight idk about the rest of the US

Coleo
12-24-2011, 10:19 AM
in CT its 11

sadgeh
12-24-2011, 11:22 AM
wtf here in Holland it doesnt matter if you do illegal stuff than you can get caught other then that you cant get caught.

Phat 2
12-25-2011, 10:43 AM
hehe yeah it's retarded, but it's also retarded to think that what's legal in your country is as legal everywhere

sadgeh
12-25-2011, 11:48 AM
No man that was not what i was thinking. Maybe my reaction was that i was in a sort of shock cause of that some people cant go allways on the streets.

Phat 2
12-25-2011, 12:30 PM
yeah and they eat dog in china. some things are just shocking. it's cool. get chill.

spiltink
12-25-2011, 06:13 PM
can you get arrested if you get caught tagging on christmas night???

Lado
12-25-2011, 07:28 PM
You can get arrested if you're caught tagging on any night.



I just got 2 Grog paint refills; white and chrome. I just saw some reviews and comments were saying how White and Chrome are the worst ones.. figures I buy them, but how bad are they really?

Also, the chrome isn't chrome. It's a violet color with what looks like sour milk colored stains on the inside of the bottle. Any idea as to what's going on there?

Thanks.

Fury
12-25-2011, 09:18 PM
Shake it up before you use it. All chrome turns to this greenish shit whenever it's not shaken thoroughly. Never used Grog, but you should be alright.

smokeitup
12-26-2011, 04:05 AM
anyone buy infamous magazine? i saw this in a newsagent and had to buy it even tho it was 20 bucks

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac31/smokeitup421/MONDAY26THDECEMBER2011011.jpg

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac31/smokeitup421/MONDAY26THDECEMBER2011012.jpg
ha even has a bombing science add..

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac31/smokeitup421/MONDAY26THDECEMBER2011013.jpg

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac31/smokeitup421/MONDAY26THDECEMBER2011014.jpg

http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac31/smokeitup421/MONDAY26THDECEMBER2011015.jpg

thats the burner section theres sections for tags trains walls throwies etc

Beko
12-27-2011, 07:10 PM
does belton cover better than ironlak or are they about the same???

randomkiddo
12-27-2011, 07:40 PM
does belton cover better than ironlak or are they about the same??? some ironlak colours do, but 9 times out of 10 the belton is better, BY A LONG SHOT! belton have the best yellow whereas ironlak yellow is worse then shitty dollar cans

Beko
12-27-2011, 07:45 PM
thanks!

smokeitup
12-27-2011, 09:15 PM
47279

is shoe polish any good to use, can u fill em with buff proof ink n e 1 use this? ive seen some people get up with it

Fury
12-28-2011, 12:15 AM
Yes.

Skadeem
12-28-2011, 01:37 AM
Thats the classic dude. kiwi mops all the way, though the nibs arent very durable.

Shell703
12-28-2011, 09:56 AM
Found this next to where I live...
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/Whispem703/001-3.jpg
This guy is everywhere, don't really like his hand but this one is decent...
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/Whispem703/035.jpg
I guess he and this guy roll together...
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee183/Whispem703/008-1.jpg

sadgeh
12-28-2011, 12:48 PM
What is the question you asked?

Lado
12-28-2011, 02:05 PM
I just got 2 Grog paint refills; white and chrome. I just saw some reviews and comments were saying how White and Chrome are the worst ones.. figures I buy them, but how bad are they really?

Also, the chrome isn't chrome. It's a violet color with what looks like sour milk colored stains on the inside of the bottle. Any idea as to what's going on there?

Thanks.



Shake it up before you use it. All chrome turns to this greenish shit whenever it's not shaken thoroughly. Never used Grog, but you should be alright.

Yeah, there's a layer of that gunk on whichever side is facing the floor. I've shaken it thoroughly several times, over and over, and for long periods of times. It doesn't get chrome at all, but the gunk seems to mix with the purple and it becomes a creamy purple. Idk man, it's real weird. I don't mind it too much, but I'd just like to know what's up.

Shell703
12-29-2011, 01:24 AM
What is the question you asked?
Oops, just wanted to know what others think about the style of all of them... I like the KB hand and the MICK hand, except the I, but dont really like the piece I don't know, just think it's sloppy and doesn't look good. Wanted to get second opinions...

BennyBoii
12-30-2011, 04:14 AM
im just wondering where or how u make custom stickers like in stompdown killaz

sadgeh
12-30-2011, 06:30 AM
Well maybe a stupid question but if youre outside bombing how do you shake your can quietly?

BennyBoii
12-30-2011, 07:11 AM
u can't, correct me if i'm wrong but there is no way to fully mix the pigments with out shaking the shit out of it, just shake it in your car or before you leave

sadgeh
12-30-2011, 08:11 AM
oh yeah well then if i do it before i leave howlong is it good mixed?

Phat 2
12-30-2011, 12:08 PM
there's these magnets mtn makes that silences the can rattle. it's great in my testimony. tried it when I did those couple trains in copenhagen. they really work wonders.
and if not, you can shake the can in a circular way while holding it upright from the top. You make the ball circle the bottom fast, and it'll mix the pigment off the bottom of the can and into the rest of the paint. it doesn't mix AS WELL as a full shake, but it's enough to get something done real quick.

sadgeh
12-30-2011, 12:35 PM
yeah the second option is better i think cause it was a question for throwies.

BennyBoii
01-01-2012, 07:34 AM
ok, so i got these ironlak strikers for Christmas and when i was doing the fill the pencil lines from my bars showed through and when i tried to rub them out they stayed there, any way is there any ways to stop that do u like rub them out and re do them real light or something cuz im stumped :confused:

sadgeh
01-01-2012, 08:22 AM
you do the outline and then you rub the lines out and then you fill it

BennyBoii
01-01-2012, 10:09 AM
so u kinda keep a little bit of the out line?

sadgeh
01-01-2012, 11:28 AM
no you made your sketch with pencil strikes. Then you do the outline of it with a marker then after the outline you can rub all the lines but the letters are still there cause you cant rub marker. If thats completed then u do the fill.

spiltink
01-02-2012, 07:03 AM
there's these magnets mtn makes that silences the can rattle.

over priced magnets

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Neodymium-Disc-Magnets-20mm-dia-x-3mm-thick-Pk-5-/360419039628?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item53eaa6198c#ht_3216wt_217

now silence some cans

xtonybx
01-03-2012, 01:29 AM
I need to work on letter structure. Are there any sites or tutorials that would help me with this>

MN Nice
01-03-2012, 01:45 AM
Do you know what letter composition and bars are?

dankbudz
01-03-2012, 03:08 AM
i think the real question is, do YOU, mn nice, know what letter composition and bars are?

BennyBoii
01-03-2012, 03:21 AM
:sniff: :sniff: i smell beef

MN Nice
01-03-2012, 03:42 AM
Lol its nothing new. Notice how I'm the only dude he fucks with. I think he's got a crush on me ;)

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
01-03-2012, 04:03 AM
no, your just a fag. All these new jacks just aint been around long enough to realize it yet

MN Nice
01-03-2012, 04:15 AM
Here we go again with this shit. I thought you were leaving.

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
01-03-2012, 01:48 PM
cause I was gone for a couple of days you think your hot shit now? you still suck. you still have no room to talk shit like you know anything. I lol@ all the crits youve been giving, your awful.

dankbudz
01-03-2012, 01:57 PM
i loled at his flared handy

MN Nice
01-03-2012, 04:22 PM
I have yet to see anything outside of paper from you dank, so shut the fuck up and quit ass kissing to rib. And if you reply to this saying "i don't post my painted stuff on here" its still not cutting it.

And I don't think I'm hot shit, I don't know how you're getting that idea. And literally all of my crits are to mega toys saying to do simples and occassionally helping with hands. I really don't give a shit whether or not you like me. Honestly. I really don't care. And those days you were gone were nice on here because I didn't have some fucking lurch on me 24/7. I'm not going anywhere, so get used to it.

dankbudz
01-03-2012, 04:29 PM
i will reply with saying, you're a little bitch. and i will shit on you in your sleep, chickenfucker.

and yes i have posted painted stuff, sucked dick, so i stopped, and i practice.

MN Nice
01-03-2012, 04:37 PM
Well good choice by you, but fuck man, get some paint and get out there. Don't down my shit when you're not out writing yourself.

dankbudz
01-03-2012, 05:07 PM
i meant i practice instead of posting it. not just in a book ya dumb fuck

MN Nice
01-03-2012, 05:26 PM
How do you plan on getting better at all when its only you seeing it. Unless you got some dudes you write with. I don't, so I gotta resort to this fucking website for some crits.

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
01-03-2012, 05:44 PM
lmao make some friends bro, try not being a fag too

MN Nice
01-03-2012, 05:52 PM
Eh, the people I'm around are shady as fuck. Bunch of yuppie fucks who think they're better than everyone. And none of them write, so I'm doing lone hits.

Tempo718
01-03-2012, 06:01 PM
why did I read this twice... smh

spiltink
01-05-2012, 04:11 PM
mn nice what is your problem itsa like you got BROAD SIDE FED UP THE BONE BULDGE

Fang
01-05-2012, 04:48 PM
holy shiiiit dude ur sig is triiiippy

.gaye
01-05-2012, 09:17 PM
yeah i know it reaches out of the container in which it was not meant to be contained but now it has bean unleashed onto the post of thy

stare into it if you want to enter another world.... or die younger......

BennyBoii
01-06-2012, 02:58 PM
alright i've never rocked a fill and im buying some paint, how many fill in's could i get with a dollar can?

Phat 2
01-06-2012, 06:06 PM
if you're economic and have can control, you can fill a whole, fat, lifesize letter with one can. maybe one and a half. at least that's what I was able to accomplish with good can control for the thing you see in my sig, each letter there is 7ft high. and each of these letters took a tiny bit less than a full can of chrome

BennyBoii
01-06-2012, 07:52 PM
wow, props to that and thanks

Phillip McDougall
01-07-2012, 10:33 AM
You should have been using fatter caps. You could have filled two or three letters with one can.

Mori
01-07-2012, 12:58 PM
^ yea I can usually rock my whole name with one can of rusto or dollar paint, but I have this can of rusto white and its pretty old, I've never seen one like it, but its a tall can and had 25% more then standard rusto, but the valve is not working, I can insert a cap but it doesn't push down to release paint, its frustrating and I'd49804 really like to use this can, any advice?

Phat 2
01-07-2012, 02:12 PM
You should have been using fatter caps. You could have filled two or three letters with one can.

wish I could've.
the dollar cans we were using were males. and I don't have any female fats. the stock caps that were on there wasn't all that skinny either, they were fine enough, if they ddidn't have that soft cap dot effect (condensed center with soft edges as opposed to the clean edged spray pattern the ny fat does) they'd be great for everything really

how can sheban!?
01-07-2012, 04:55 PM
fatter caps make wider lines

but thinner caps... noone has dared ventured engough into the danger to find out... and thouse that do........ never.....................................,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,C:,......./.,......,.,/, NEVER RETURN

BennyBoii
01-10-2012, 10:28 PM
have any of u ever done a throw with markers, me and my mate did't have any paint and got the smart idea to do it with markers, i'll get some pictures later

gemer
01-10-2012, 10:43 PM
how big was the throw man and the markers cuz that seems kinda dumb to me
@mor damn man idk what id do prolly jsut savor it in my corner wishing it would work one day lol

sadgeh
01-13-2012, 12:41 PM
Cause im having a lil trouble with two O's in my name, i was wondering should i stick to 'Rook' or make it 'Rok'. But i prefer stick to 'Rook' and then is the reall question that i dont how to improve my O's?

dankbudz
01-13-2012, 03:57 PM
you practice!

sadgeh
01-14-2012, 09:39 AM
But just practice on simple O's in begin? Only simples or more own style to add on my O's?

BennyBoii
01-14-2012, 10:18 AM
how big was the throw man and the markers cuz that seems kinda dumb to me
@mor damn man idk what id do prolly jsut savor it in my corner wishing it would work one day lol
we used a pentel shorty, there pretty nice but there all ways streaky, and they worn't that big

Jake_NN_Bake
01-14-2012, 04:54 PM
Hello everyone,
This is indeed my first post. I know I'm a toy and everything, and I know that no matter how good of a question I ask that most of the replies will be sarcastic answers meant to demean me. But as an aspiring writer and photographer I am inclined to get writers opinions on the subject.
Being a photographer, I enjoy going out and finding different subjects to capture. Graffiti is a very interesting subject and I enjoy photographing it. So here is my question. Obviously I photograph pieces and whatnot to document them. If I captured a piece regularly (no artistic touch given) first, then put my own photographic spin on it in a separate picture, would you (as the writer) get mad?

BennyBoii
01-14-2012, 05:57 PM
what, do you mean photo shopping?

Jake_NN_Bake
01-14-2012, 06:02 PM
what, do you mean photo shopping?
No. Let me explain,
I was reading up on photographing graffiti and I came across someone who said that you should just document it. No other elements in it to make it the photographer's own vision (like blur, or portrait work with pieces as a background, or just capturing it as an artistic photograph). I thought that was quite strange since most photographers' goals are to make every picture their own statement. Did that make sense?

Phat 2
01-14-2012, 06:44 PM
graff is done in public, it's free for anyone to shoot, photoshop, jerk off to.. whatever floats your boat dude. if writers didn't want you to see their shit, there wouldn't be any graff. Do whatever you please with whatever you please, no one can stop you.
As long as you don't claim to be the one who wrote pieces present in your photos, and as long as you don't sell those photos and/or make money out of them (any commercial use of others' works - unless it;s your job to do so, like if you're a journalist or something) no one cares about it.

just know your limits, know the history by educating yourself about this thing you claim to "admire", and don't post THROW-UPS in a TAGS thread

Jake_NN_Bake
01-14-2012, 06:50 PM
Thanks for the feedback.
Sorry about the throw ups. I saw other people post multiples and got carried away.

BennyBoii
01-19-2012, 09:01 AM
well in that sense, yeah knock your self out
on a more serious note tomorrow i'm going to bunnings(hardware store) and racking some paint, if i fill up a chiller bag(one of those cheap ones from coles) and walk out of the drive in place you get the wood you think i'll get stopped, and if i am stopped what should i say?
i'm new to racking paint so don't rip my nuts off, i'm just asking

Phat 2
01-19-2012, 09:07 AM
if you get caught and it's all out in the open, the best thing to do is to be VERY nice and cooperative. own up to what you did and appologize politely. say you'll pay for the stuff and that you realize what you did was wrong and that you promise you won't steal again, and if they're chill enough, they'll just let you go in peace... don't struggle and make things worse by being a dick. and smile in gratitude if you're let go. say thanks also.
and that's how you trick a home free

BennyBoii
01-19-2012, 09:16 AM
what if your a broke bastard like, can't afford to pay for the paint and that why your stealing. also i just cut into the foam a little to make a little pouch for markers

PETER
01-19-2012, 09:54 AM
Most stores have a policy of not stopping shoplifters. They may ask you to stop, but if you keep going they typically wont stop you. It's not worth the 40 bucks in loss to get hurt. You can typically find out what their policy is online or by talking to employees. They may have hired security out side in a car like at walmart but you can usually get by them. Just try not to look like a scumbag going in and a nervous wreck leaving. If you want to minimize risk you could grab a dollar can and a bunch of whatever else you want and use a self check out just ringing up the dollar can for each can you picked up.

Mori
01-19-2012, 10:08 AM
Damn Pete thats way clever, never thoight bout that, I usually pay 2.99 a can of Rusto.

BennyBoii
01-19-2012, 10:29 AM
yeah over here a can of fiddly bits is 3.89 a can and it's like water, so you have to pay 7 bucks a can for white knight or export which aren't that bad

PETER
01-19-2012, 11:02 AM
2.99 for rust-o aint bad. here its like 5 bucks.

Mori
01-19-2012, 11:23 AM
Ya Co has bomb prices at local hardware. But id still rather pay a dollar for it when I decide to pay lol

PETER
01-19-2012, 11:26 AM
No doubt. that's about 2 extra cans for the same price. For me I'd be gettin almost 4 or 5 depending on where I go. I can't get cought up stealing so that's what I do and if they catch me I just say sorry I thought they where the same price and carry on. But it's super unlikely when they are busy. I go to Meijer which is like walmart but better.

BennyBoii
01-20-2012, 01:10 AM
well today sucked, i had to go to the school and get my stuff for this year(school starts in a couple of days) and all my mates i bomb with were busy, and i would have been heaps sketchy by myself

smokeitup
01-20-2012, 07:35 AM
yeah over here a can of fiddly bits is 3.89 a can and it's like water, so you have to pay 7 bucks a can for white knight or export which aren't that bad

1. export aint $7 man their more like $4 where are u buying these $7 export from ur getting ripped off.

well in that sense, yeah knock your self out
on a more serious note tomorrow i'm going to bunnings(hardware store) and racking some paint, if i fill up a chiller bag(one of those cheap ones from coles) and walk out of the drive in place you get the wood you think i'll get stopped, and if i am stopped what should i say?
i'm new to racking paint so don't rip my nuts off, i'm just asking

2. what bunnings do u go to that doesnt have the tins in a cage? all the bunnings round here store them in cages.

BennyBoii
01-20-2012, 08:46 AM
well i live near brisbane, their is this place called Morayfield(Mo-Town) near Caboolture and the paint is sitting on the shelf freely, at the super cheap auto the paint is locked up and i haven't checked overflow yet, if you want i can get a picture

smokeitup
01-20-2012, 10:33 PM
nah dont get a pic i believe you.

Colors
01-20-2012, 11:30 PM
yeah i got a question, i cant try it out myself because i cant find any caps so, if i use like a needle or something like that and use it to make the hole on the cap bigger will it become a fatter cap or will it just turn out retarded?

Phat 2
01-21-2012, 02:06 PM
retarded

Colors
01-21-2012, 02:12 PM
damn. thanks though for the answer

Phat 2
01-21-2012, 02:56 PM
check out the slit in any male cap's stem. skinny caps have none, or a realllllly thin one. fat caps have a wide one.
this controls how much paint and pressure goes through the cap. fat caps need to have more paint spray out of them to compensate for their large spray radius. or else they'll be veeeery light and the paint won't be enough to cover the surface you're painting well.
on the other hand, skinny caps don't need to have a lotta paint spray out of them because they have a really concentrated spray pattern... they spray just enough (which is little) to cover the small surface they're intended for.

better?

9ToTheOH
01-21-2012, 03:05 PM
What is a wicked? What are different throwie and tag hand styles? How do I know a style native to a region near me if there are no writers here?

Phat 2
01-21-2012, 03:13 PM
How do I know a style native to a region near me if there are no writers here?
just follow your instinct. it is ALWAYS right.


What is a wicked?
a wicked is a wicked

9ToTheOH
01-21-2012, 03:33 PM
Thanks. Also how long did you write before you started bombing? I don't even really have a tag or a throw yet. What should I invest in? I have 2 sketch pads and a bunch of different kinds of markers. Should I practice my tag in pen/ pencil first before I practice with a marker?

What do you mean by a wicked is a wicked. Sorry I ask a lot of questions haha.

Colors
01-21-2012, 03:43 PM
Where i live, wicked is just like saying 'hella' in california or 'mad' before an adjective...haha and dude stick to your book you should wait till you got some skill and look like you know what your doing.
and yeah phat i feel you thanks man

BennyBoii
01-21-2012, 06:22 PM
a wicked is also a hand, it's a philly style, once a pone a time i was obsessed with them... than i realised they were way to hard and gave up :p

Colors
01-21-2012, 06:59 PM
thats probably what he meant haha so my answer is retarded. well atleast now you know what to say where i live

9ToTheOH
01-21-2012, 07:05 PM
Thank you bro, that was exactly what I was looking for. I knew it was a handstyle associated with Philly. But I thought they had them all over.

BennyBoii
01-22-2012, 04:03 AM
nah, most places other than philly get those styles crossed out like that, shame tho because i can stare at one for hours

9ToTheOH
01-23-2012, 03:19 PM
Yeah. They're dope, any other styles like something from here in florida?

MN Nice
01-23-2012, 03:28 PM
Walk around and look.

9ToTheOH
01-23-2012, 05:32 PM
No serious writers within like 70 miles.

SteezeFuhDayz
01-23-2012, 05:32 PM
any advice on how to get some extra male caps??

BennyBoii
01-24-2012, 12:23 AM
Yeah. They're dope, any other styles like something from here in florida?
google is your friend

sadgeh
01-24-2012, 07:23 AM
any advice on how to get some extra male caps??
Buy them?

yangski
01-26-2012, 11:41 AM
In regards to writing on campus..is pretty much anywhere okay? like theres some spots on campus in which there is a shit ton of grafitti, like the basement of the english building, but theres some spots that are like untouched, with white,smooth tile walls, aka bathroom stalls.

but why does no one tag there?

toopski
01-26-2012, 11:50 AM
^serious lol @ this

BennyBoii
01-26-2012, 06:04 PM
maybe because a lot of important people will use the bathroom, and i can't see many people going into the english basement so they don't bother to buff it

Gezus
01-26-2012, 06:38 PM
anyone know if Toronto has any specific hand styles?

master of seductions
01-26-2012, 06:44 PM
yeah its called

TORONTO SCRIPT

it looks exactly like all the other worlds handstyles so hard to spot

BennyBoii
01-28-2012, 06:49 AM
i've been watching some graff movie like state your name and what not and i keep seeing these 2-letter throws, and later into the movie some guy mentioned some thing about them. so anyway i've got a question about it, if your throw is 2 letters is your tag 2 letters, if not do you substitute letters from your name, if so what ones?

Phat 2
01-28-2012, 05:04 PM
you just pick two letters from your name and use them dude............
but you'd better be up enough for people to know who you are by seeing only 2 of your letters.
it's mostly for well known writers

Skadeem
01-28-2012, 06:45 PM
What does it mean when a yard is comprised almost entirely of clean trains? most of the cars are the same smooth off white steel and many are untouched or have nothing but no name writers on them. Are they new, local, or getting buffed?

Phat 2
01-28-2012, 08:21 PM
bufferrrrinnnoo

Skadeem
01-28-2012, 08:45 PM
I'm just gonna plant the top of my head on the third rail then

You have trains in Lebanon? hahahaa I'm sorry I kid

smokeitup
01-29-2012, 12:22 AM
whats a better paint? belton premium or montana gold.

coz im outta paint and im gonna go buy more soon, and they are both the same price.

BennyBoii
01-29-2012, 02:55 AM
buy both and see what one you like

master of seductions
01-29-2012, 01:27 PM
get belton i heard gold is acrylic

...


how much can you fill in with one of those tall 300ml $ cans?? like what you get car paint in

SkateJunt
01-29-2012, 01:29 PM
gold is for indoor painting

threethirty
01-29-2012, 07:14 PM
Two questions..I have a Illadel "classic bombing mop" which is pretty much like a kiwi mop with a huge foam nib and a big ink capacity, etc. Anyway, the foam nib tore off so I replaced it with a 25mm mo-hair nib which fit fine. The mop's big but is about half empty, and ever since I replaced the nib I can't get it to write barely. If I juice the nib, the ink dot looks like half of the nib, if that makes sense. When I try and do a tag, it looks like it's running out no matter how I hold it and it doesn't seem like the ink is reaching the nib, even if I hold it downwards. Why is this? I think the mop is sick but if I can't write with it anymore once it's half empty that's a waste, that's probably not the case and I'm a toy so I want to know what to do/what happened. Also, what are some bombing movies similar to State Your Name or the part in Videograf 2 with JA? Like just bombing with a little discussion. I've seen movies like 5AM which are alright but I just like straight bombing, so I was thinking about checking out the Videograf Out Ta Bomb Movies. Anyone that could help me with these questions, I'd appreciate it.

Phat 2
01-29-2012, 07:17 PM
You have trains in Lebanon? hahahaa I'm sorry I kid
no, unfortunately, we don't.
now please stop reminding me of it >=(

BennyBoii
01-30-2012, 02:38 AM
take out the regulator in the nib and trim down the mo-hair

sadgeh
01-30-2012, 09:55 AM
no, unfortunately, we don't.
now please stop reminding me of it >=(
Is this serious why? No offense but is it too dangerous with terrorists or something?

canteen green
01-30-2012, 06:05 PM
wats the best paint to prime with?

Phat 2
01-30-2012, 07:25 PM
Is this serious why? No offense but is it too dangerous with terrorists or something?
no offense, but it actually is too dangerous with illetrate, ignorant and uneducated europeans. those tourists are always fucking stuff up here... they always went onto the trains and started talking nonsense. and not regular nonsense, it's like a whole new level of bullshit you know what i mean, and the other passengers commited suicide when they listened to them. others' heads would just spontaneously explode when they hear them talk. it was mayhem, everytime some european jackass stepped onto a train, there were 10 unexplained casualites. there was no solution, and we can't kick europeans out because it's not their fault that they're ignorant and them being ignorant isn't a crime and is completely legal, so we decided to not have trains at all.

true story

smokeitup
01-31-2012, 02:46 AM
do cops browse this site?

sadgeh
01-31-2012, 04:50 AM
no offense, but it actually is too dangerous with illetrate, ignorant and uneducated europeans. those tourists are always fucking stuff up here... they always went onto the trains and started talking nonsense. and not regular nonsense, it's like a whole new level of bullshit you know what i mean, and the other passengers commited suicide when they listened to them. others' heads would just spontaneously explode when they hear them talk. it was mayhem, everytime some european jackass stepped onto a train, there were 10 unexplained casualites. there was no solution, and we can't kick europeans out because it's not their fault that they're ignorant and them being ignorant isn't a crime and is completely legal, so we decided to not have trains at all.

true story

sarcasm, i already searched it. But I dont get why a civil war can cause that there are no trains riding?

Phat 2
01-31-2012, 06:54 AM
sarcasm, i already searched it. But I dont get why a civil war can cause that there are no trains riding?

after they were destroyed during the civil war, they were never rebuilt because we can't afford rebuilding the whole system (even the tracks are gone). The country's in a lot of debt as it is as well, so that rules out the option of getting financial support or coverage from other countries blablabla

Skadeem
01-31-2012, 06:05 PM
Damn. Hey at least you have sidewalks ours seem to be disappearing. I don't like walking along the road when I paint for long because it looks weird where I'm from.

Phat 2
01-31-2012, 06:53 PM
where you from?

smokeitup
01-31-2012, 07:16 PM
do cops browse this site?......

MN Nice
01-31-2012, 11:26 PM
Yes. They're onto you. Burn your computer and run.

ChadWarden
02-01-2012, 12:01 AM
but on a more serious note... yes, they do.

BennyBoii
02-01-2012, 07:38 AM
there's a swimming carnival coming up for for school and i need a hat, i'm thinking if i go to a surf shop and some how take off those sensor things on the hats i can just chuck it on my head and walk out, anyone know how to take them off without breaking the hat... i heard magnets work but i'm not sure

sadgeh
02-01-2012, 04:09 PM
use some pliers

Phat 2
02-01-2012, 07:22 PM
I think nigaz are gonna notice a brand new hat from their store on your head as your dumb ass struts on through the door

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
02-01-2012, 08:09 PM
Have you ever thought of buying the hat? If your in school still im sure your mother will be more than willing to buy you a hat

BennyBoii
02-01-2012, 11:50 PM
rib, if my family had money i would't have to steal anyting

smokeitup
02-02-2012, 12:27 AM
I think nigaz are gonna notice a brand new hat from their store on your head as your dumb ass struts on through the door

ahahahahahahha!!

benny, are those security things the ones with ink in them, if they are and you try to tamper with it, it will release ink and leave a gnarly stain on it

they have the same ones on the $100 shirts in myer.

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
02-02-2012, 01:05 AM
rib, if my family had money i would't have to steal anyting

LOL too poor to buy a hat? get a job

or tell your parents to stop buying cable, and you could buy like 2 hats a month!

BennyBoii
02-02-2012, 02:41 AM
lol good idea

BennyBoii
02-02-2012, 02:44 AM
ahahahahahahha!!

benny, are those security things the ones with ink in them, if they are and you try to tamper with it, it will release ink and leave a gnarly stain on it

they have the same ones on the $100 shirts in myer.
shit thats intense
nah i'm pretty sure they don't have ink in them, there like a gray box on the back of the hat

Eurothrash
02-02-2012, 09:29 AM
do cops browse this site?
No, they certainly do not. Could you please post a recent "tag" by yourself and a link to your facebook page?
Yours sincerely,
inspector John Hartley

Phat 2
02-02-2012, 05:20 PM
yes, here's a recent "tag" of mine:

http://www.12ozprophet.com/images/bloggers/haze/REVOK.1_.jpg

and here's a link to my facebook profile:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/vlad.cristian3

Yours truly,
Troll

BennyBoii
02-02-2012, 05:28 PM
lol i added you as a friend :D

Phat 2
02-02-2012, 06:23 PM
this can only mean that you're a cop.
prepare to get banned in the ass, pig!

eipe
02-03-2012, 05:24 PM
If you have a Montana hardcore mop, (water based ink) and refilled it with something like Grog ink (alcohol based ink) would that cause any problems?

Coleo
02-03-2012, 05:25 PM
no

Shofs17
02-03-2012, 07:20 PM
Anybody get up around Jacks?

Phat 2
02-03-2012, 07:24 PM
define "get"

Shofs17
02-03-2012, 07:42 PM
Reworded: Does anybody do the illegal acts of spraying colorful aeresol cans on structures around Jax..

smokeitup
02-03-2012, 09:21 PM
anyone used them cap adapters? the yellow ones, do they work well? i bought 3 but dont have any paint to test if they work alright or not

dankbudz
02-03-2012, 09:42 PM
the sekt adapters? they worked fuckin amazingly on rustos with ny fats and some silver fats, thats all I've gotten to try till i lost mine

Jonathan Moran
02-04-2012, 02:52 AM
can anyone help with colors? i dont kno wat colors to use

eipe
02-04-2012, 08:54 AM
I'm no experienced writer badman, but i can say what i like. I like it when colorways are cohesive. Look around you, look at a color wheel... complimentary colors are on opposite sides of the wheel. Also note how colors sit well with their neighbors on the wheel, as shades. Think of the vibe of the piece your trying to write? If its some mad gloom winter piece maybe you can express that vibe by choosing some sullen greys/blues... is it a summer piece? You get me?

canteen green
02-04-2012, 02:23 PM
wats the best roller paint u can use to prime a spot?

Beko
02-06-2012, 07:37 PM
is there any way to gets schedules of trains? like when they'll leave?

Coleo
02-06-2012, 07:44 PM
usaully theres a info booth and if not theres usaully a sign with a map of the route with panflits with the schedule in it if not well your outta luck

Beko
02-06-2012, 08:07 PM
not passenger trains, i guess i should have been more specific. freight trains

Skadeem
02-06-2012, 09:05 PM
Ask someone or pay a lot of attention? Go up to train dudes ask em about it say you're benching in a parking lot down the tracks. idk something like that?

who else uses google earth to check out spots

0nly10fmikind
02-13-2012, 10:11 PM
Reworded: Does anybody do the illegal acts of spraying colorful aeresol cans on structures around Jax..

i did when i still lived there. i got mad tags downtown. I think i went to HS wit yu lol, i remember that name Shofs


Ask someone or pay a lot of attention? Go up to train dudes ask em about it say you're benching in a parking lot down the tracks. idk something like that?

who else uses google earth to check out spots

lol yea i be doin that stuff sometimes to find the best spots. you can do live traffic to see how high profile it is too.

TOY question---
did the word Capped come from the movie Style Wars when the dude Cap was goin over erbodies ****?

Phat 2
02-14-2012, 02:41 PM
yes

VERBS
02-16-2012, 07:08 PM
okay im not tobig of a toy with graffiti but i have a couple quiestions about bombing science, will i get notifications everytime someone else comments in the forums?? what about the battle forum,someone pm me and gie me some help,thx.

Phat 2
02-16-2012, 07:24 PM
yes you can enable this feature by clicking on "forum actions" (top of page menus, under the blue stripe) and then selecting "edit profile".
you'll be linked to your settings.
on the left panel's menus, look for "general settings"
scroll down to "Default Thread Subscription Mode" and set it to "instantly, using email"

this will get you email notifications everytime someone else posts in a thread you've posted in. (this process is called "subscribing" to a thread)
you can later on manage your thread subscriptions in your "my subscriptions" folder which can also be found by clicking on "forum actions" (top of page menus, under the blue stripe) and then selecting "edit profile".

Skadeem
02-16-2012, 07:45 PM
Who knows what goes into a small time graff investigation in a small town with no dedicated vandal squad? As far as I've seen they just do a lot of picture taking and ask for info around schools/ in the paper. I really don't see what they can do even if they see a couple random sketches in your notebook.

smokeitup
02-17-2012, 01:01 AM
what time is best to go painting, i know as late as possible, but what time do u usually go? would 9.30-10.00pm be too early?

SkateJunt
02-17-2012, 06:34 AM
still alot of people out then. 12 - 3 is good but i find the best time is from 3 - 6 am, nobodys out at all except for taxis

sadgeh
02-17-2012, 01:15 PM
And drunk people. But always be careful.

sez.
02-17-2012, 05:27 PM
wat are some good qaulity/high end markers to use for black book work i see alot of people doing fades with markers an the crappy ultra fine tip sharpy im useing wont do shit but bleed over every thing

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
02-17-2012, 05:45 PM
lol id say the majority of the people here use prisma colors. But there a shit ton of different brands.

If you got the $$, get yourself of tria markers, best you can get imo

Colors
02-17-2012, 06:14 PM
wat are some good qaulity/high end markers to use for black book work i see alot of people doing fades with markers an the crappy ultra fine tip sharpy im useing wont do shit but bleed over every thing

Sharpies/prismaas alllll day. regualr sharpies not that fine tip junk

sez.
02-17-2012, 06:28 PM
lol id say the majority of the people here use prisma colors. But there a shit ton of different brands.

If you got the $$, get yourself of tria markers, best you can get imo
thamks bro

Skadeem
02-17-2012, 07:07 PM
different spots get painted at different times, find a god damn marker you like. somebody answer the one question asked on this page so far that has been asked one million times instead of five

Colors
02-17-2012, 07:23 PM
Alright i doubt anyone has an answer but im really confused. I went on amazon with a $25 gift card and bought $26 and some change worth of junk, but the order still processed and is shipping. Then, just to see what the hell was happeneing, i put something worth $50 in my cart and went to the checkout screen and it said the card had enough money on it to buy it...but the card is only supposed to have $25? it's a debit card so it should have ran out of money, idk if its being confused with a credit card?

sez.
02-17-2012, 07:32 PM
different spots get painted at different times, find a god damn marker you like. somebody answer the one question asked on this page so far that has been asked one million times instead of five chill out bro y u trippen its just graff its not like the feds gna crack your ass for moven keys its all part of the game if your scared go to church.

BennyBoii
02-17-2012, 07:56 PM
any one know any good graff movies where they go through piecing techniques

Colors
02-17-2012, 08:02 PM
Eh nevermind reality just burnt me.

Mori
02-17-2012, 08:04 PM
hahaha you get charged for ALL dat junk colors?

Colors
02-17-2012, 08:20 PM
lol mori i waas scared i was going to be charged because i also got like $80 worth from the bs store cuz i thought it was all free... haha. Amazon just gave me an email and said the card got rejected, im hoping bombingscience gives me a similar email soon so i can stop wondering.

Norfsuthr
02-17-2012, 08:44 PM
If it's debit the bs charge should also be rejected, unless it's a real debit (not american express gift card) with overdraft 'privileges'. Either way you should be able to check the statements online and see whats going on.

edit- i just re read your original post, since it's a gift card you just have to check the balance on the company's site. But don't even worry about it, you're not connected to the card in any identifiable/liable way, they can't come after to collect if their program fucked up.

Skame Graffiti
02-17-2012, 08:46 PM
i love philly hand styles

Colors
02-17-2012, 09:05 PM
Word, thanks norf. These companies take a while to email haha. And skape: ok

smokeitup
02-17-2012, 10:32 PM
any one know any good graff movies where they go through piecing techniques


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J2i7SMG0e4

KOC ROUTE 666 its an aussie crew, they go everywhere. look em up on youtube.

BennyBoii
02-17-2012, 10:41 PM
cheers, these guys are great, if you know any other aussie crews could you pm me

smokeitup
02-17-2012, 10:44 PM
theres another one called metal advocates, their more brisbane based tho

BennyBoii
02-17-2012, 10:58 PM
thanks

sez.
02-22-2012, 11:54 PM
gta change my name cuz the cops took pics of my old shit how do u guys feel about ''base''?

smokeitup
02-23-2012, 01:55 AM
write basin. lol

Phat 2
02-23-2012, 06:15 PM
gta change my name cuz the cops took pics of my old shit how do u guys feel about ''base''?
kid, do your thing, don't be concerned about "how WE feel" about your alias. We're supposed to just be a bunch of letters on a computer screen who rip on you to get better.

sez.
02-23-2012, 09:41 PM
fasho man good lookin i was asking to see if that name was taken by some one well known or played out ya dig? but ima roll with it

ChadWarden
02-24-2012, 12:25 AM
fuck writing base. be my hero. write "jazz dick" instead. do it.

cooldawg
02-25-2012, 12:42 AM
hey is there a place where peope who arnt toys can put up handstyles and throwups from books n stuff?

SynOne
02-25-2012, 01:46 AM
Cooldawg, if you think you're up to it, go to the Picture section of the forums, they have topics from Tags to Pieces.

BennyBoii
02-25-2012, 07:13 AM
or the intermediate thread

Phat 2
02-26-2012, 07:25 AM
well yeah, first try the intermediate thread. if your shit gets deleted, then you're not ready to be considered "not toy"

toopski
02-28-2012, 01:08 AM
gta change my name cuz the cops took pics of my old shit how do u guys feel about ''base''?

lol u wanna change just because they took some flicks of ur word ive had it happen heaps even talked with the cops doing it

Big Africa
02-28-2012, 09:17 AM
Changed my name to OREM trying to see if its been overused or taken by someone well known

VERBS
02-29-2012, 11:22 AM
yo,i know ive posted on this thread a couple of times,but i cant seem to find them,im a complete n00b at this shit yo ive still read the fourum insturction but im still confused looking for someone who can PM me and give me a quick talk about bombing science,like the battle fourums,how to use to the forums etc ,please anyone could sure as fuck use the help.peace to all.












VERBSTYLEBABY.

sadgeh
02-29-2012, 03:49 PM
Are you retarded or what? A forum is one of the simplest things on the internet, but anyhow ask one of the Mods to help you, make the first step and PM them.

Phat 2
02-29-2012, 06:15 PM
think of bombing science like a cake, everytime you go click somewhere, you dig deeper through the cake's layers.

first, you got the main site (http://www.bombingscience.com)
at the top of the page you can see 3 secttions. home, graffiti shop, and forums.
each of those is a second layer. you go to forums.
that's the second layer under the main page. here you can find all the diferent sections of the forums. the picture galleryy, the general discussion, the tools and tips and the toys forum.
each of those is a third layer. and ech is specific to what is described under it.
you go to the toys forum, and here you are in the fourth layer.
under the toy forum, you got all the different kinds of threads which are each a discussion on the topic specified in their titles. you got sticky threads (threads that are always displayed before other threads and can't be bumped down the list, no matter how long it has been since they were used, because they're important.) those are used to post your pictures, eacch a different category (throws, tags, pieces walls,,,) and you got regular threads beneath the sticky threads.
Also in the toy forum, right at the top, you can find a link to a fifth and final layer, which is tthe toy battles.
you go there and you can find all the differennt therads with all thhe diferent battles they contain.

every page of a thread can contain a mximum of 20 replies. so everytime this number is reached, a new page begins. you cn browse through the page numbers at both the bottom and or the top of the thread.
so if you posted on this thread, your posts are now probably sowmehere in the last few pages...

this has got to be the most annoying explanation I have ever given in this thread.
next question please

sadgeh
03-01-2012, 12:45 PM
What time must the round of robin sketch send? And i thought that i am in another timezone?

notmikegiant
03-01-2012, 01:57 PM
two questions.

first, how do you set an avatar? I'm seasoned on forums but I couldn't figure it out worth a damn on here.

second, anyone have a guide or basis for doing simps? I understand its a lot of bar work but it would be helpful to see a pic that maybe starts at one bar and turns into a letter, prefferably an E or S

EDIT - answered my own question, for anyone else needing help with simples check mrwiggles.biz

gemer
03-01-2012, 04:33 PM
how do i change my screen name???????????????? from gemer to something else can i do that ????

Phat 2
03-01-2012, 05:21 PM
notmikegiant. you click on "forum actions" at the top of this page, then you click on "general settings" then on the left pane that shows up in the next page, you click on the first thing that has "avatar" in it... you should be able to figure it out from there.

gemer, no you can't
you can create a new account with the new name you want, and your old account will be banned. so in other words, you'll sacrifice your credits and post count.

sadgeh, you guys still have until tomorrow to submit your sketches

gemer
03-01-2012, 05:23 PM
ahh damnn ootttaayyy

sadgeh
03-01-2012, 05:35 PM
Ooh well thats nice but i send you already one sketch but then you get tommorow the two sketches i hope.

toopski
03-01-2012, 09:24 PM
notmikegiant. you click on "forum actions" at the top of this page, then you click on "general settings" then on the left pane that shows up in the next page, you click on the first thing that has "avatar" in it... you should be able to figure it out from there.

gemer, no you can't
you can create a new account with the new name you want, and your old account will be banned. so in other words, you'll sacrifice your credits and post count.

sadgeh, you guys still have until tomorrow to submit your sketches

cant a forum admin change his screen name?

not that ive seen any admins on in a while

notmikegiant
03-02-2012, 03:16 AM
i feel so stupid asking this. Ink, used in mops, stains clothes permanently or is it possible to remove?

toopski
03-02-2012, 07:04 AM
^depends ive the ink from when someone steals a shirt out of a white shirt before and they say that takes 2 weeks + to come of skin

what ink was it?

notmikegiant
03-02-2012, 02:50 PM
OTR soul tip ink

Phat 2
03-02-2012, 06:47 PM
i doubt that comes off man. i mean it's hard to remove regular biro ink off clothes sometimes, let alone ink that was actually manifactured to be used for graffiti, which usually means it's more or less hard to buff or used for outdoor purposes where it's supposed to be harder to fade... it's all in the chemicals eventually..

and no, admins either can't, don't, or won't change usernames. even I personally asked to have mine changed, and got declined, so I'm making a new account...

Mildstyles
03-02-2012, 06:54 PM
'Tis the season for new accounts!