Toy Questions

[joker954]

do what lmao??

[KnoxIn]

hey so today i went out to get some markers just to write like in my blackbook with and they had prisma markers but they were hella expensive and i cant steal cuz im in custody right now so are those worth getting or are sharpies fine??? is there that much of a difference

[Thrice]

If you're looking for bbook markers you can step down to tria, touch twin, OTR, or whatever. If there isn't a shop near by go online.

So i've been wondering, what's the whole controversy about the obey campaign.

[pocket change]

hey so today i went out to get some markers just to write like in my blackbook with and they had prisma markers but they were hella expensive and i cant steal cuz im in custody right now so are those worth getting or are sharpies fine??? is there that much of a difference

steal the fucking prismas, any other marker like touch twin and that bullshit i just as expensive. i still painted when i was going to court for a 2 felony charges. if you want the good shit you gotta do what you gotta do.

[C3ZR ONE]

If you're looking for bbook markers you can step down to tria, touch twin, OTR, or whatever. If there isn't a shop near by go online.

So i've been wondering, what's the whole controversy about the obey campaign.

There are 2 schools of thought in graffiti.
#1- If you can make a few bucks doing what you love and keep it true to the street ideal, more power to you.
#2- Money and commercialism destroys cultures. Graffiti should be kept on the streets alone, and once you profit on it, you're no longer a graffiti artist, because you're motives have changed to making money.


Shepard Fairey has turned his campaign into a huge cash cow, now owning a high scale fashion line based off his street work, a magazine, a gallery, etc...

Both views have very good points to be made. I think in the end, you just gotta do what feels right.


TO THE KID ASKING ABOUT MARKERS- You're in toy forums. Get the big pack of sharpies and you're good to go. You don't need to get the $ shit for a book you'll be laughing about in a year. Prismas are great markers, but I'd never pay store price. I bought 100 of 'em for like 30 bucks on ebay though, but that was a few years ago.

[respERATION]

okay this is probably a stupid ass question

but i can't open zig/posca markers for shit

i heard they're nice for tagging with and shit but how the fuck i put ink in 'em?

[C3ZR ONE]

Something tells me you're trying to open the Zig/Posca paint pens. Do they have a HUGE nib or a small to medium Chisel? If They're paint pens, leave them as is. Posca Paint pens are quality and expensive. You're looking for a Zig "two way scrapbooking glue pen" with the mongo lid. If I remember right, they have a reverse screw top (twist the opposite way you normally would). Empty it out, clean it, and drop in your ink. Exact same pen as the OTR Hard 2 buff, flowpen, burner, etc...;)

[Black Flag]

do what lmao??

Check the wheatpaste thread: http://www.bombingscience.com/graffitiforum/showthread.php?t=3389

If you are into slaps this is the more permanent avenue you can take.

[respERATION]

Something tells me you're trying to open the Zig/Posca paint pens. Do they have a HUGE nib or a small to medium Chisel? If They're paint pens, leave them as is. Posca Paint pens are quality and expensive. You're looking for a Zig "two way scrapbooking glue pen" with the mongo lid. If I remember right, they have a reverse screw top (twist the opposite way you normally would). Empty it out, clean it, and drop in your ink. Exact same pen as the OTR Hard 2 buff, flowpen, burner, etc...;)

i seeeeeeee...hahaha yeah i was....now i feel dumb as shit...

anyways....i doubt i'm gonna find those over here....know any websites??


thanks for the help :)

[foureyes]

i need some help with some canvas stuff... i know about the frame i just dont know what fabric to use... and i was wanting some idea of other stuff to use... like i know some use vynil... but id like to hear about some other stuff... thanks

[Baszma]

Quick question about paint formulas; I just bought some awesome really bluish-purple paint pens. I'm thinking aout adding some silver to one, and see if decent results occur. In the ingredients list on the purple pens, Xylene is nowhere to be found. However, there is somthing on there called Xylol.

I figure the two serve the same purpose, but do any of you know some more details bout the differences between the two? I had never heard of Xylop before today.

[Black Flag]

Are freights more serious about vandalism then say the average town? Like depending on what you hit when you are street bombing, some people may take pictures and whatever and go out of their way to make sure you pay for it.

I would understand how you would get in trouble if you get caught in a yard, but if you are not destroying numbers/logos/engines etc are companies going to go out of their way to get you as individual? Or are they just going to buff and move on.

[acereborn]

theyre not gonna go out for a single person unless theyre killing shit

plus, its harder to stop someone by "going out of their way"

they would just increase security in the yard

[joker954]

well the street bombing part bout wat u said is true cause i got my shit in pics and in the database and shit from some bitches but i think in the yards it wouldnt be that heated unless u hit up like the the trackside wall or w/e
so like i think they jus buff and move on because freights come from everywhere

[joker954]

true dat acereborn ^^^^^^^

[MC_zoo]

oi guys how should i start? from fill or outline? and whats the best cap to begin with?

[BigBlueViolence]

You should start with a pencil and paper.

[MC_zoo]

thought someone would say that xD the thing is im scetchin already for more then a year and i really would like to try it out once on the wall

[BigBlueViolence]

Fill color first, man.

[Worms]

do a fill first then your outline... as you get more can control u can do ur outline first and then your fill.... but if ur goin big like bombing id say fill then outline... but for peicing and shit other way... do wat u feel is best

[MC_zoo]

thx a lot

[S4d3n]

Friend of mine who lives in the burbs, they live by a small set of rail tracks and there are currently two trains parked there, within about a KM of each other, I can tell that they've been a week or two because they've accumulated snow.

Why are these trains there? If they leave, will there be more sitting at the same spot in the future?

It's this type of train ~ http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8313/ghcrewtc9.jpg

Shit pic, from 905 thread, but it's the one with the vent holes or whatever in the side.. If that matters.

[ESKiMO2]

There are 2 schools of thought in graffiti.
#1- If you can make a few bucks doing what you love and keep it true to the street ideal, more power to you.
#2- Money and commercialism destroys cultures. Graffiti should be kept on the streets alone, and once you profit on it, you're no longer a graffiti artist, because you're motives have changed to making money.


Shepard Fairey has turned his campaign into a huge cash cow, now owning a high scale fashion line based off his street work, a magazine, a gallery, etc...

Both views have very good points to be made. I think in the end, you just gotta do what feels right.


Yes, this is what discerns an artist from a writer.
Writing is born out of destroying shit and generally opposing the system.
Once you start selling out and you are still a graff writer you are a sellout.
However, when you start selling and you are a regular run of the mill artist you are just making a living.

[bak]

Yes, this is what discerns an artist from a writer.
Writing is born out of destroying shit and generally opposing the system.
Once you start selling out and you are still a graff writer you are a sellout.
However, when you start selling and you are a regular run of the mill artist you are just making a living.

idk man.. i mean destroying stuff is the core but wats wrong with making profit? i grew up being told if your good at something then its worth getting paid for. graff writers wont get anywhere but jail if there isnt a goal behind it

[BigBlueViolence]

Self gratification and notoriety aren't anything?

[ESKiMO2]

I think working a day job and selling your art which has graffiti in it is okay but otherwise I consider it selling out.

[bak]

they are but in the long run bombing at 30 years of age isn't in my head. by then profitting isnt too bad

[KnoxIn]

ok i havn't been tagging in about a year im about to start up again ya know ive kept drawing and all that shit but no painting so when i do start again should i just go for the good paint like montana and shit like that or should i just keep it cheap for the first while??

[sile1]

Does anyone know how to take the stuff out of a magnum? i tried just ripping the felt out but theres somethin else in there

[Black Flag]

ok i havn't been tagging in about a year im about to start up again ya know ive kept drawing and all that shit but no painting so when i do start again should i just go for the good paint like montana and shit like that or should i just keep it cheap for the first while??

If you rack go for the best you can get it...if you purchase your paint go for the cheaper stuff, if the 99 cent cans are not working out for you, buy some rusto. Although I personally have never used Montana, if you have a shop near you, just get some to test it out and see if you like it.

But if you think about it, is it really going to be worth it to spend alot of money on lower quality work with expensive paint? I would just use dollar paint personally until you feel you need better quality.

[markingz.]

they are but in the long run bombing at 30 years of age isn't in my head. by then profitting isnt too bad

totally agree man, revok, saber, retna etc, they all really deserve it I mean they used to put in mad fucking work that was dope.

[C3ZR ONE]

they are but in the long run bombing at 30 years of age isn't in my head. by then profitting isnt too bad

I'm almost 32. It just get's better the older you get, however you start to notice your age... I fucked up my back New Years day slipping from between 2 trains spread eagle across the lines. haha. Forreals. My back was tore up for 2 weeks. Just starting to feel better. I'm not a huge bomber tho.

As for the money debate, I dunno. The two biggest thoughts in my head about the subject pro and con are this.......
#1- Money and commercialism, distorts, waters down, mutates, and ultimately destroys cultures..
#2- %99.99999999999 of us can't tell a crew like MSK how to do shit. It's rediculous to think any great epiphany we have about writers ethics could overrule pure street work and pioneering. When you're a king, you rule over your country. When you're a GRAFFITI king, you do the same. The kingdom is yours, destroy it if that's your will. peasants can talk shit, but you're still king and that can only be taken away by force, not by elaborate theorizing. If you can put Obey Giant or Revok to shame, then you can tell him how to run his game. The problem is.......you can't.:(:p

[[THE]3L3Gy]

is phokus(pronounced focus) a good name, like does it roll of the tongue well?
cuz ive been thinkin bout doin that, but not sure how it sounds

[markingz.]

how do people use etch, that stuff is crazy, arent you scared of getting it on yourself

[BAGS]

Phokus is pronounced focus? Damn, thanks for the insight bro.

Write whatever the fuck you wanna write.

[bak]

I'm almost 32. It just get's better the older you get, however you start to notice your age... I fucked up my back New Years day slipping from between 2 trains spread eagle across the lines. haha. Forreals. My back was tore up for 2 weeks. Just starting to feel better. I'm not a huge bomber tho.

As for the money debate, I dunno. The two biggest thoughts in my head about the subject pro and con are this.......
#1- Money and commercialism, distorts, waters down, mutates, and ultimately destroys cultures..
#2- %99.99999999999 of us can't tell a crew like MSK how to do shit. It's rediculous to think any great epiphany we have about writers ethics could overrule pure street work and pioneering. When you're a king, you rule over your country. When you're a GRAFFITI king, you do the same. The kingdom is yours, destroy it if that's your will. peasants can talk shit, but you're still king and that can only be taken away by force, not by elaborate theorizing. If you can put Obey Giant or Revok to shame, then you can tell him how to run his game. The problem is.......you can't.:(:p

i agree with u of course i do but i have a goal to destroy what i can by the age of 20.. if i havent gone all city by then ill slow down and approach it in a business way. not to hate but in my area ppl that scribble on walls get no rep

[Facedorateur]

Originally posted by markingz

how do people use etch, that stuff is crazy, arent you scared of getting it on yourself

You buy it a you local art shop or of the internet. You can either get etch cream which is less powerful but more safe and effective (cuz its a cream) or you can get etch acid, with which you need to be freagin careful. You make a harcore mop that will wistand acid, wear latex gloves, make sure you dont inhale the fumes and dont put any on you. And being scared is just part of the game

[Stussy]

I was in home depot and i saw this stuff
http://www.rustoleum.com/cbgimages/products/PT_GLS_KYLME_SP_L.JPG
is it any good?

This question is probably already answered some where but i cant find it.

[joker954]

ayyyyyyy i was lookin at some slaps 2day
and i saw da old ups stickers hold up better then the new ones
this true????
if yea were can i find some old ones?

[SNAP!]

painters touch is bomb...too bad they got rid of it and replaced it with 360s

Anyone know of a way to make a marker similar to a k-66? Thin, drippy lines?


I've been using an ultra thin Painty but it only drips where your lines end no matter what you do..

[Facedorateur]

Dude, your talking about Krylon, Rustos dont have 360s.

They sell steel ball pens (there as big as the k-66, maybe bigger) that you can fill with your own ink in art stores (Wallacks, Michaels), i dont know how good it works, but it should be decent.

Can I use epoxy appliance paint in combination with xylene based rusto paint?

[SNAP!]

proably can. epoxy is like a primer

And yeah, i meant home depot took painters touch off the shelves and put up 360's..

[Stussy]

proably can. epoxy is like a primer

And yeah, i meant home depot took painters touch off the shelves and put up 360's..

not where im at....

[SNAP!]

get ready for it

[Black Flag]

I need help making a legit throw.

How do I go about making one?

I under stand the process to making a handy, for making a piece, but for throws I am not sure how to improve them correctly.

Just keep doing simps and compressing them?

[Worms]

basicly... start simple...then progress....just need alota paper and u need to try different ideas out...
i gota question of my own...if i get randomly pulled over by a cop and they search my bag and find paint in it wat can they do...

[acereborn]

f i get randomly pulled over by a cop and they search my bag and find paint in it wat can they do...

well, firstly you dont have to let them in your bag. secondly, unless you have rules about spraypaint in your city under 18 or whatever, then nothing. just say youre painting your friends shed


I need help making a legit throw.

How do I go about making one?

I under stand the process to making a handy, for making a piece, but for throws I am not sure how to improve them correctly.

Just keep doing simps and compressing them?

just get really ripped all the time and draw. take inspiration from styles you like, and just keep drawing.. dont bother with coloring and all that though

[Squibsorz]

ok i couldnt find anything on the forums about this so i guess ill ask this here.

What is the difference between High and Low pressure cans?

Like what are the pros and cons?

i see that both montana and belton offer high and low pressure cans.

[Capo Izi]

I was wondering if there was anyway to get the Rustoleum Metallic Finish paint (the Chrome color) to not drip? Cause I tried to do throws with it, and I do em fast and far from the wall and still they drip soooo bad. I've tried them with skinny caps, still drips, with fat caps, they like explode on my hand, and the stock caps go on good, but drip mad hard. So any special caps or anything I can do? Cause chrome is such a sick color and I want to be able to use it.

[Bink1]

I was wondering if there was anyway to get the Rustoleum Metallic Finish paint (the Chrome color) to not drip? Cause I tried to do throws with it, and I do em fast and far from the wall and still they drip soooo bad. I've tried them with skinny caps, still drips, with fat caps, they like explode on my hand, and the stock caps go on good, but drip mad hard. So any special caps or anything I can do? Cause chrome is such a sick color and I want to be able to use it.

your throws are worthless to put on walls , keep sketchin.

[Capo Izi]

your throws are worthless to put on walls , keep sketchin.

Dude, I didn't fucking ask if my throws were good, I asked a simple question unrelated to my throws or my paint style. How can I get the Rusto Chrome to not drip so bad. Why the fuck do you have to hate on me about everything?

[Black Flag]

Dude, I didn't fucking ask if my throws were good, I asked a simple question unrelated to my throws or my paint style. How can I get the Rusto Chrome to not drip so bad. Why the fuck do you have to hate on me about everything?

He is not even being harsh compared to some people on these boards....obviously if he knew he would tell you.

[Capo Izi]

He is not even being harsh compared to some people on these boards....obviously if he knew he would tell you.

Oh I know there is way worse, but seriously that didn't better my question at all......I had one question, that was simple....and the stupid negative comeback was unrelated to the question or answer. It's just a dumb comeback, that was uncalled for.

[B.S. POLICE]

umm rusto fat on regular chrome rusto should work just fine, maybe you got a fucked up can? happend to my boy before with the chrome shit exploded

[Capo Izi]

umm rusto fat on regular chrome rusto should work just fine, maybe you got a fucked up can? happend to my boy before with the chrome shit exploded


hmm, maybe. I've never had it happen before on any other color, I mean the shit just like exploded like liquid paint and half the bottle came runnnig out all over me....

[Squibsorz]

ok i couldnt find anything on the forums about this so i guess ill ask this here.

What is the difference between High and Low pressure cans?

Like what are the pros and cons?

i see that both montana and belton offer high and low pressure cans.

bump

[Spark391]

Higher pressure cans are for bombing, you can fill throw ups much faster with them and so on.
Lower pressure cans are better for pieceing, you can work with details with them and shade, and do all kinds of things that you need to do in a piece.

Has anybody tried those Molotow sketching markers? How are they? Just courious, I quess that they are just like some regular paint markers, that's a bitty that there aren't any cheap-ass paintmarkers sold in here.
And I got some empty touch markers also (there is alcohol based ink used in them), is it useful do fill them with a little bit of alcohol (I think that they would last a bit longer) or is it pointless to try? I don't even know why I asked that question, im going to try it out.

[joker954]

ayyyyyyy i was lookin at some slaps 2day
and i saw da old ups stickers hold up better then the new ones
this true????
if yea were can i find some old ones?

[aXis888x]

where is everyone getting those boxcar outlines to draw on?

[Divine89]

Anyone know where i could buy around... oh 500 ups stickers online for about 10$-20$?

[Spark391]

where is everyone getting those boxcar outlines to draw on?

Google: "graffiti coloring book"


Anyone know where i could buy around... oh 500 ups stickers online for about 10$-20$?

Ebay, i few months ago I saw "hello my name is" stickers for that price, and ups stickers should be free, as far as I have heard (but I live out of states, so what should I know)

[aXis888x]

is there a good way to practice without spraying wack graffiti all over? the stuff i draw in my sketchbook isnt half bad but it usually comes out wack when i spray it. i defintaly need more practice but i dont want to ruin good spots.

[SNAP!]

find a spot no one goes. or keep going over your peices at one spot

[Facedorateur]

make yourself a wall in your yard, just make sure no one sees you when ou practice on it.

[Banjax]

I got a question...

I'm hoping to give wheatpasting a try soon. I've done my research, and am ready to get started. I'm lookin' for any tips about good surfaces to paste on, ways to transport the supplies, etc. Any tips?

[pandemik]

pizza boxes, im an activist, so ive done a bit of pasting. Now my question. I came up with two names I like. CE and 2CEE-I what I want to know is, do a lot of people just do two letter names? I came up with a decent throw for CE.

[what4joke...]

two letter abreviations. it doesn't really matter. but its like very easy ya dig?

[pandemik]

yeah maybe a bit too easy.

[what4joke...]

like since its so short you gotta make it look pro, cause idk, just work with it

[pandemik]

i hate trying to find a name.

[what4joke...]

just grab a thesaurs and find shit that means something to you. maybe change some letters. w/e you'll get it. thats how i took relic to relik.

[pandemik]

alright. got advice on how to learn letters better?

I got some really problems with s's and a's.

[what4joke...]

what i do EVERYDAY is when in school write everything you write like a tag (not the symbols and other shit) and the flow comes to you. and i do one sketch or more a day for painting

[inpho_211]

so after you get the bombs down what other style comes after that? any help cuz i used to tag alot like 4 or 5 pieces a day now i do one every 3 days or so my drawing hand sucks now cuz of my lack of drawing. any help?
-DaInphoMus->211->OTC

[what4joke...]

well. if you want to improve. i think thats what your asking, then change it up ya know. totally fuck with your letters till there good! and you painted 4 to 5 times a day!! holy shit!

[inpho_211]

but i wanna learn the fucking wild style shit,do i just aim for that or slowly build by learning different styles?
any tips will help?
Inpho-211-OTC

[what4joke...]

yo like i siad fuck wit you letters, start of more simple with like maybe some straighter bars then like pipes (kinda my thing) and ya know you'll get better like we all do

[inpho_211]

aight thanks bro talk to you later .Inpho211

[Sarto]

question about a canvas.

so i preped a cavas with some colourplace black white and red.
let it dry and tried to go to work with some decos.
but the decos kept friging up/sticking to the cavas and straight up not working?

got any sugestions ?>

[Black Flag]

question about a canvas.

so i preped a cavas with some colourplace black white and red.
let it dry and tried to go to work with some decos.
but the decos kept friging up/sticking to the cavas and straight up not working?

got any sugestions ?>

Either

A) Still not dry, should be zero tackiness.
or
B) You got a bootleg canvas that is too soft and/or rough to use decos on.

Make sure to use your deco's in a black book or something first to check if they are working properly.

[joker954]

Anyone know where i could buy around... oh 500 ups stickers online for about 10$-20$?

u can get am free at http://shop.usps.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10152&storeId=10001&productId=11655&langId=-1

[pandemik]

anybody know of anybody writing sane?

[Facedorateur]

Check on bombingscience's picture galleries, Flickr.com, 12oz, etc.
Do your research

[sank.]

has anyone used the new montana 92 cans? how do they compare to the hardcore ones?

and a little side note, i saw some montana gold cans at a local art store. i go to ask the guy at the register how much they are and he says 10.25... i actually lol'd.

[urmomsayshi]

im planning to roller a bridge that hasnt been painted at all yet
do i need to use oil based paint or will latex based hold up to the weather?

[thatgraffkid410]

doesnt matter i like to use latex based paints for roller they stay up just as long and oil based drys up and get nasty if sits to long

[BigBlueViolence]

If you use latex make sure that it's exterior

[Aced]

I've got a few questions for you guys.

First off...whats the best way to practice shadows? I just can't get shadows down for the LIFE OF ME. I have a nice style now that I like, but the shadows get me every time. It always ends up looking so crappy.

I usually do marker/stencil stuff...so I'm new to painting really. It sounds so dumb...but how far away should I hold the can from what I am painting on? I have a variety of different caps, but all my lines always come out either way to thick or VERY drippy. Whats the technique I'm missing here.

Thanks for any insight. Peace.

[Dessik]

So can you go painting with a regular store bought can or do yo have to have caps?

[Facedorateur]

Originally Posted by Aced
I've got a few questions for you guys.

First off...whats the best way to practice shadows? I just can't get shadows down for the LIFE OF ME. I have a nice style now that I like, but the shadows get me every time. It always ends up looking so crappy.

I usually do marker/stencil stuff...so I'm new to painting really. It sounds so dumb...but how far away should I hold the can from what I am painting on? I have a variety of different caps, but all my lines always come out either way to thick or VERY drippy. Whats the technique I'm missing here.

1) Just look up some picks on the internet and try and copy the shadow (and the letter it goes with) + practice makes perfect

2) 6 to 8 inches (thats the popular saying (banksy says 8)). + dont spray in one spot for too long, thats what causes the drip, i also depends if the surface is wet or not. I recommend trying to spray in daylight, just to get the hang of it (helped me alot)


Originally Posted By Dessik
So can you go painting with a regular store bought can or do yo have to have caps?
Yes you can, get down with the stock caps, if your a master with stockcaps, imagine what you ccan do with the other onez

[Dessik]

i can paint with them they just kill my fingers grrrrr!

[Facedorateur]

it did that to me at first
now its pretty ok
And its just because your finger is not used to holding something down for that long, they get small cramps

[joker954]

i got a q
i see those letter stickers round, like the ones hard ass fuhhhhh to get off
were can u get those?

[pandemik]

usps.com

[smooth_nuts]

i think he's talking about those single letter vinyl sticks you get at the hardware store...

[joker954]

yea those
they at home depot?

[smooth_nuts]

home depot,wallmart,kmart,basicly anyplace that you could buy for sale sings from :/

[Thrice]

http://www.bombingscience.com/catalog.htm?item=5020&ret=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bombingscience.com%2Fcatalog. htm%3Fpage%3D1

Will this nib fit for krink squeezes? K60/63

EDIT: Im assuming not since K60/63 need .25 and that one is 1.1, but Im not seeing the right replacement nib for the krinks, is the shop usually out of them?

[Black Flag]

Does anyone know if there are any writers that have been around and have never been arrested?

Separate question but...

I don't understand how some people show there face and people know there real name (ex. cope) yet the continue to get up?

[klic]

anybody know of anybody writing sane?

yea, just search up sane graffiti on google images, all kinda shit comes up

[xDrowsyx]

I want to get into Canvas's and i want to use paint and get some nice colors going...anyone know what kind of paint i should buy, brushes, or techniques.
Link and any information greatly appreciated!!

[sallybsk]

ehhhh... can you slim that down for me? You want to use aerosol right?
Or like aerosol and markers? OR WHAAAAAAT. ANYTHING? OIL? Acrylic?

To be honest, I think it's all preference, what you enjoy painting with and what type of project you're going for(what look you're going for--- what the project calls for). Test some tools out on a little part of canvas ( i dont mean the canvas you're going to use---- use some canvas that's not stretched maybe), play around with it, that's my tip.

[xDrowsyx]

yeah i guess ill use spray paint and paint markers like thats what i thught originally...ive just heard of people using paint or w/e but thanks for the reply...i kinda also wanted a link to an actual paint o can buy that people have used and it worked for them...

[cds_dogg665544]

what do those crew numbers mean like when peple on here say i rep 450 crew and 605 writers pm me and stuff what do those numbers mean. ive seen in my town 3 stop signs that say 604 if thats a crew or somthin

[Black Flag]

what do those crew numbers mean like when peple on here say i rep 450 crew and 605 writers pm me and stuff what do those numbers mean. ive seen in my town 3 stop signs that say 604 if thats a crew or somthin

Could be a few things,

#1 Area code, some states are bigger then others or share the same one, so it makes it easier to understand where you live.
#2 Some crew names are literally just numbers, for whatever their reason.
#3 some crews/writers use street numbers.

[Neg_INFLUENZ]

1.how can people legally do graffiti. i looked in a book and it said something about legal graffiti vs. illegal graffiti. is there some other reason besides business purposes/decoration
2.will the caps that come with ironlak cans work for outlines?
3.how can i go bombing without my parents knowing?

[calculating infinity]

1.there are legal walls and permission walls
2. if it works for you
3. sneak out and keep your paint hidden under your bed

[sallybsk]

yeah i guess ill use spray paint and paint markers like thats what i thught originally...ive just heard of people using paint or w/e but thanks for the reply...i kinda also wanted a link to an actual paint o can buy that people have used and it worked for them...

ask some homiesss in the canvas thread for specifics... just pm them or something.
Just saying, for aerosol I'd use Belton, and for the paint markers... I know people usually use the skinny type like decos or sharpie paint markers. But I've never done canvas... well for graffiti at least, you should ask around some more.

[markingz.]

I have a question, Seriously so everyone answer seriously, Not that I want to join these crews or anything(becuase to be completly honest I dont, even thought I admire their work a great amount and think they are some of the best graffiti artists out there) but how do writers get into crews like awr msk. Like how do they go about putting people in it(by in it I mean like saying go write msk awr near all your stuff). Becuase just out of curiousity, like some dudes I see who rep awr msk are really good, and others lets just say are more bombers and stuff if you know what I mean. Not like theres anything wrong with bombing its just that I've seen people who write and they paint peices and are pretty descent and want to be in that crew but dont get in. And those peoples talent with graff is mad high and better than some of the guys already in the crews so I was just wondering if someone could deeply explain that to me like whats going on. I'm just seriously interested in whats going on with this becuase i've seen stuff like this happen with writers I've seen who want to be in it but are'nt/
A lenthgy explanation by anyone who confidently knows what there talking about would be great becuase i've always been really interested in this question. Thanks alot.:)

[Banjax]

I got a question...

Some shmuck decided to scribble all over a hardware store truck in my town. And when I say scribble, I mean it - just random streaks of spray - for shits and giggles. I may be a toy, but I know just randomly spraying a truck is just lame. Out of the blue, a fella I know who works at this hardware store thinks I did it.

I've never once purchased spray from there (too risky - small town, ya know), nor have I even told anyone connected to this guy about my interest in graf (only one person knows, my closest and best childhood friend, who writes as well). The only reason this guy thinks that I did it, is because he knows I'm an artist and a painter.

Now he's got some members of the town thinking I scribbled the truck, and I think he has even told the police to keep an eye on me. Every so often, patrol cars drive by my work-place real slow, and even by my house some nights.


I'm much more meticulous in keeping my graf interest quiet, and even more thorough in hiding my supplies and blackbooks. How this guy came to think it was me, was just pure chance... and the fact that I write anyway, just makes it worse. I work hard to hide it all, and to have my cover blown by pure coincidence really bothers me.

I'm gonna wait until all this cools down. But what else should I do?

[STR-WHO]

Bomb the shit out of that motherfuckers store.

That snitch thinks its his fucking buisness to call the po and keep an eye on you?

Break his windows, fuck that shit up

Or...If you want to be sensible, go talk to the guy man to man, say you know he's suspicious but your an artists not a vandal...

But seriously go with option number one...:)

[markingz.]

I got a question...

Some shmuck decided to scribble all over a hardware store truck in my town. And when I say scribble, I mean it - just random streaks of spray - for shits and giggles. I may be a toy, but I know just randomly spraying a truck is just lame. Out of the blue, a fella I know who works at this hardware store thinks I did it.

I've never once purchased spray from there (too risky - small town, ya know), nor have I even told anyone connected to this guy about my interest in graf (only one person knows, my closest and best childhood friend, who writes as well). The only reason this guy thinks that I did it, is because he knows I'm an artist and a painter.

Now he's got some members of the town thinking I scribbled the truck, and I think he has even told the police to keep an eye on me. Every so often, patrol cars drive by my work-place real slow, and even by my house some nights.


I'm much more meticulous in keeping my graf interest quiet, and even more thorough in hiding my supplies and blackbooks. How this guy came to think it was me, was just pure chance... and the fact that I write anyway, just makes it worse. I work hard to hide it all, and to have my cover blown by pure coincidence really bothers me.

I'm gonna wait until all this cools down. But what else should I do?

sounds like your better than me with keeping your graffiti quiet. Someone once told me if you didn't do the crime then don't trip, there's no way in hell he can say you did it if the fact of the matter is you didn't. So what if he's the stereotypical, making assumptions type of guy, I have a story similar to this one it happened in a hardware store. This one lady would always give me the evil eye whenever I would buy paint suspecting that I did some shit(true story). You know you can sue assholes like that for making false assumptions and accusations. What that guys doing to you is a crime in and of itself. DO what ever you want and don't worry about him. Sounds like an asshole who isn't rational and just wants a fight.

[markingz.]

yo str, your sig is fuckin hot;)

[Banjax]

sounds like your better than me with keeping your graffiti quiet. Someone once told me if you didn't do the crime then don't trip, there's no way in hell he can say you did it if the fact of the matter is you didn't. So what if he's the stereotypical, making assumptions type of guy, I have a story similar to this one it happened in a hardware store. This one lady would always give me the evil eye whenever I would buy paint suspecting that I did some shit(true story). You know you can sue assholes like that for making false assumptions and accusations. What that guys doing to you is a crime in and of itself. DO what ever you want and don't worry about him. Sounds like an asshole who isn't rational and just wants a fight.

Good call man. I hadn't even considered all that. Guess I'm just worrying for no reason, lol

[haze4life]

im going to europe in march and i wanna have a whole bunch of hal 9000 (if anyone has ever seen 2001 a space oddysey) stickers and i need to know how to print designs on stickers. 1- how do i do it 2-where 3-where do I buy the stickers
Im pretty fucking stupid when it comes to common sence so I'd really appreciate it cause ill never figure it out by myself lol

[sallybsk]

I have a question, Seriously so everyone answer seriously, Not that I want to join these crews or anything(becuase to be completly honest I dont, even thought I admire their work a great amount and think they are some of the best graffiti artists out there) but how do writers get into crews like awr msk. Like how do they go about putting people in it(by in it I mean like saying go write msk awr near all your stuff). Becuase just out of curiousity, like some dudes I see who rep awr msk are really good, and others lets just say are more bombers and stuff if you know what I mean. Not like theres anything wrong with bombing its just that I've seen people who write and they paint peices and are pretty descent and want to be in that crew but dont get in. And those peoples talent with graff is mad high and better than some of the guys already in the crews so I was just wondering if someone could deeply explain that to me like whats going on. I'm just seriously interested in whats going on with this becuase i've seen stuff like this happen with writers I've seen who want to be in it but are'nt/
A lenthgy explanation by anyone who confidently knows what there talking about would be great becuase i've always been really interested in this question. Thanks alot.:)

to be honest i think there's only two words to answer this. mad fame.
I really dont think its like your neighborhood crew, like you go up to saber at a jam and be like "zomg check out my blackbook, am i dope or what?". He probably has like 193813091 kids do that everyday. I would just think if you were that good, you'd already be known anyways. ya know what I mean? :p

[PeeInTheShower]

how the fuck do you figure scribbling all over a truck is toy? they obviously don't do it for fame or anything like that, maybe because uh... uhh... they like to fuck shit up? idk, i'm no scientist. i've done shit like that before, for "shits and giggles"

[markingz.]

to be honest i think there's only two words to answer this. mad fame.
I really dont think its like your neighborhood crew, like you go up to saber at a jam and be like "zomg check out my blackbook, am i dope or what?". He probably has like 193813091 kids do that everyday. I would just think if you were that good, you'd already be known anyways. ya know what I mean? :p
ehhh, not really please elaborate, talk more about like the fame part. im just curious

[thephillafromma]

So ive been drawing alot on paper and i just ordered paint. My friend thats been writing for a couple years is helping me to get started but really doesnt want to be seen with me so i was wondering what i should start with when i write in paint.

[clockwork]

Theres a crew around my area that writes and they are the only crew really that is sick. No one else touches them. Shit is up everywhere. SPRAYER peices from like a pesticide sprayer, billboard pieces, sick throws, everything. Not really a question meant for the lowbies.

How in the hell would I go about meeting some of these people? Like one dude from this crew I almost met at a local art show. My buddy ended up meeting him and Im mad pissed. But theres so many guys in the crew I just wanna meet one or a few of them.

MAAAAYBE get a blackbook signed.
Crews names LDK, and I know a list of members from it. HOAX was the guy my buddy met.

BTW AWR MSK is even in STL.
They are fuckin huge.
Biggest pieces everywhere in the loop.

[Facedorateur]

Originally posted by thephillafromma
So ive been drawing alot on paper and i just ordered paint. My friend thats been writing for a couple years is helping me to get started but really doesnt want to be seen with me so i was wondering what i should start with when i write in paint.

Start with a tag, then work your way up from there : tag, bomb, simples, piece.
I know that for me the transition was brutal (and it still is)
So just pick a spot where no one will go, and practice there, just wreck the place and practice with your paint. And dont waste your good cans for that, just rack/buy some shitty paint from a hardware store.

[thephillafromma]

Start with a tag, then work your way up from there : tag, bomb, simples, piece.
I know that for me the transition was brutal (and it still is)
So just pick a spot where no one will go, and practice there, just wreck the place and practice with your paint. And dont waste your good cans for that, just rack/buy some shitty paint from a hardware store.

Thanks man I just really dont want my first one to just get buffed over oor something cuz then im gunna be pissed and it just wont be a good start and my frien i was talking about told me to do individual letters and stuff but ive drawn a few i want to try so ill post them up so you can comment and yes i am shitty i know thats why im practicing on paper.

[thephillafromma]

Here they are i did them up pretty quick so i could post them and there basic i think....

[BigBlueViolence]

Nah man, you definitely want your first one to get buffed.

You'll probably be begging for your first pieces/throws/absolutely anything you put on the street to get painted over in a few months.

[thephillafromma]

Nah man, you definitely want your first one to get buffed.

You'll probably be begging for your first pieces/throws/absolutely anything you put on the street to get painted over in a few months.

I just mean right away itd be a buzz kill if i got back the next day and its crossed out and would those be alright or should i try something else?

[BigBlueViolence]

To be dead serious with you man, I wouldn't give a second thought going over that.

Try making each letter with just one or two strokes, and make each letter seperate.
Start simple, then start adding little bits of your own style.
Those little bits will eventually become the while tag, feel me?

[thephillafromma]

To be dead serious with you man, I wouldn't give a second thought going over that.

Try making each letter with just one or two strokes, and make each letter seperate.
Start simple, then start adding little bits of your own style.
Those little bits will eventually become the while tag, feel me?

yeah thanks man ill report back after tommarrow night trial run and ill go snap a pic in a few days but for now im off to write on a notepad prrl a billion times i think ive written the alphabet well over a thousand in the past week

[thephillafromma]

I got a question...

Some shmuck decided to scribble all over a hardware store truck in my town. And when I say scribble, I mean it - just random streaks of spray - for shits and giggles. I may be a toy, but I know just randomly spraying a truck is just lame. Out of the blue, a fella I know who works at this hardware store thinks I did it.

I've never once purchased spray from there (too risky - small town, ya know), nor have I even told anyone connected to this guy about my interest in graf (only one person knows, my closest and best childhood friend, who writes as well). The only reason this guy thinks that I did it, is because he knows I'm an artist and a painter.

Now he's got some members of the town thinking I scribbled the truck, and I think he has even told the police to keep an eye on me. Every so often, patrol cars drive by my work-place real slow, and even by my house some nights.


I'm much more meticulous in keeping my graf interest quiet, and even more thorough in hiding my supplies and blackbooks. How this guy came to think it was me, was just pure chance... and the fact that I write anyway, just makes it worse. I work hard to hide it all, and to have my cover blown by pure coincidence really bothers me.

I'm gonna wait until all this cools down. But what else should I do?

i had a revelation last night because this was really bugging me that someone would be such a douche to you. It was probably him attempting for his first time and hes just so ashamed he decided to try and blame you. So punch him in the nuts

[clockwork]

Nah man, you definitely want your first one to get buffed.

You'll probably be begging for your first pieces/throws/absolutely anything you put on the street to get painted over in a few months.

This should be a signature.

[smokinhot]

Hello to everyone my question is.... i have a marker who i filled up with black ink and when i tagged and press the writer to do wall the tag isnt tightly and it drops a drop of ink on the floor help me what to do i want the taggs to be tightly and the writer to not drop ink. markers montana bombing and hardcore....

[Fat4l_ONE]

Hello to everyone my question is.... i have a marker who i filled up with black ink and when i tagged and press the writer to do wall the tag isnt tightly and it drops a drop of ink on the floor help me what to do i want the taggs to be tightly and the writer to not drop ink. markers montana bombing and hardcore....

Your not letting it get upside down in your pocket are you? cause i've had those giant "marks a lot" get upside down then they will drip when you open them.


other wise sounds like the nib isnt in there very well.......take the cap off and look at the end and if theres is any open space between the plastic and the ni then stuff some felt in there and super glue it in place.

[savortheflavor669]

where can i get decos ive looked everywhere....only place ive found them is online and i dont want to pay shipping

[BigBlueViolence]

craft stores, homie.
either looks near the sketching supplies or the scrapbook supplies

[savortheflavor669]

craft stores, homie.
either looks near the sketching supplies or the scrapbook suppliesive checked at joanns and wamart and all they got are the crappy elmers ones

[Gort]

ive checked at joanns and wamart and all they got are the crappy elmers ones

micheals

btw any1 know where u get these slaps at
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3234/3063421683_5acfaa9a17.jpg

or know what there called?

[Noddles912300]

Gort check near the address supplies. They look like address stuff, like the ones you put on a mail box etc. I think home depot etc would have it near there.

[klic]

thinking of changing my name from shpel to sanek, what do you all think?

[RhodeIsland]

Gort check near the address supplies. They look like address stuff, like the ones you put on a mail box etc. I think home depot etc would have it near there.

You can deffently get em at Lowes



Whats 2+2??

[sike_21]

^ l0l

[Fube]

Klic, i think your question is to open ended to answer correctly. if your asking if we know of another that writes it then u need to put in your own work. in my experance there is always someone somewhere that writes the same thing.

if your asking if we think its a good mix of letters u might write well, thats all a personal preference kinda thing.

Gort, ive seen these at wal-mart, home depot, lowes, and a multitude of art and craft type stores. if u cant find any there google it and buy online. may be cheaper.

SavortheWhatever, micheals, hobby lobby, basicly all spectalty art and craft stores should carry decos. if u dont see them u can ask for help, dont be scaired lots of people use them not just for graffiti sketching purposis. if they dont have them i believe they can order some for u if u request them. if u dont want to go through that hasstle then look online, thats a sure fire way to get them.

smokeinhot- could be as fatal said, but it could also be the type of ink. thin mix of anything is bound to drip. u are doing graffiti who gives a fuck if it drips on the floor? if drips are not what u want i might sugest getting a thicker ink. also, when u prime your marker dont put all your streinth into it. be gental and actually look at the end of the nib to reduce drips as much as possible. but hommie, they aint called "flow pens" for nothing. maybe use another medium like mean streaks or a more sharpie like marker.

banjax, u are a super parrinoid idiot. i mean that in the best way possible. where i stay at if i dont see cops roll by my pad something is wrong. this guy can assume all he wants. cops cant do shit about it and neather can he. if u get this parrinoid over what some idiot pasted all over a truck then i might suggest a new hobby. graffiti aint for u, at least the getting up part. maybe the guy thinks u did it because u LOOK FUCKIN GUILTY. the fact that your so bothered by this tells me that when u do go out foreal your the first fucker thats gunna get pinched. keep your head on.

[Gort]

Thanks guys. and uh klic....i think that names a little to common imo....

[savortheflavor669]

thanx fube for the info i ordered some off ebay a while back but there all dried up now so i dont wanna wait 2 weeks for them to ship thanx for the info though

[Fube]

were they sealed or used? fresh out the plastic decos dont just dry up. what are u doing buying used decos or just about anything for that matter off ebay?

i searched "deco paint markers" and found this,

http://www.mysimon.com/9000-10968_8-0.html?sdcq=keyword-deco+paint+markers

from which if u were gunna pay for them anyway is a decent price altho i have not looked to deep into it.

.................o what do u know! i spent another 10 seconds and found this!

http://www.artsupply.com/sls/deco_color_paint_markers.htm

get how this internet thing works? for the love of GOD stay off ebay.

btw, how do u think the art stores get product? THEY SHIP THEM.

so also, decos have a bad rep of clogging. which is not the death of the marker just a road block.

[haze4life]

im gonna repeat my question, how do i print a computer design on a sticker and where do i get the sticker for it?

[acereborn]

you can stencil them with spraypaint, markers, use a silkscreen, get em printed on the internet, etc... google is your friend

[BigBlueViolence]

anywhere they sell office supplies.
near the printer paper.

[savortheflavor669]

were they sealed or used? fresh out the plastic decos dont just dry up. what are u doing buying used decos or just about anything for that matter off ebay?

i searched "deco paint markers" and found this,

http://www.mysimon.com/9000-10968_8-0.html?sdcq=keyword-deco+paint+markers

from which if u were gunna pay for them anyway is a decent price altho i have not looked to deep into it.

.................o what do u know! i spent another 10 seconds and found this!

http://www.artsupply.com/sls/deco_color_paint_markers.htm

get how this internet thing works? for the love of GOD stay off ebay.

btw, how do u think the art stores get product? THEY SHIP THEM.

so also, decos have a bad rep of clogging. which is not the death of the marker just a road block.


no they were sealed but what would be better to use?

[Fube]

is this for blackbook work? canvas? glass? metal? gotta narrow down an answer here.

deco is a paint pen, so it is actually not a marker. if your doing blackbook stuff id get used to prismas or touch markers. i find decos are fuckin sweet on canvas but u gotta watch out for what color u use and its opequness.

if i were u i would get one of each, fuck with it for a bit and see what tickles your fancy man. the best person to know what u like is yourself.

haze- it depends on your printer. if u want to get ghetto about it and money is an option, resize the image your workin with to fit the dementions on your sticker. print it out on a plain sheet of paper. now get your sticker and dbl back tape it over where u want it to print on the sticker. re-feed the paper in your printer and print it again. make it nice and tight because it will clog very easy.

u can also get special paper thats just a big ass sticker and print meny on one and cut it sepreatly, do u have an ink jet or a laser printer? this matters.

[savortheflavor669]

i want them for canvases now i saw those shapie paint markers but they look sloppy

[klic]

Thanks guys. and uh klic....i think that names a little to common imo....

ive searched through google and youtube and i havnt found one sanek

and fube, i was basically asking what you think of the letter combinations, and how you think it compares to my old name, shpel

[Fube]

i want them for canvases now i saw those shapie paint markers but they look sloppy

looks can be deceving, like i say most this shit is a personal feeling. in my humble opnion decos are the best paint pen. but u need to experiment. whats good for me is not the same for others.

klic- sane with a k on the end. but as i stated before, a name is something that should mean something to u. may that be personal or just a grouping of letters u like. asking what we think about something so personal is gunna get u a wide range of answers. do what ya want man :D

i write a lot of things. ;)

[acereborn]

haha, fubes on the ball tonight

[Fube]

spread the love brotha, spread the love.

[skull-e]

if you're gonna buy a sharpie paint, you might as well get the water based ones, they're more opaque then the oil based ones.

decos ftw, i've only used 1 in my life but they are saaaxy

[Neg_INFLUENZ]

how can i get better at 3D on my lettering? and how can i get better with bars? yes even my bars suck!

[Fube]

with 3d try whats called a "vanishing point" and use a ruler at first. but google vanishing point and it should explain in better detail what the "new to graff" thread didnt.

do u think tiger woods picked up a golf club and just busted 350yards off the tee?

no, u have to practice hommie. theres somethings where only u can help yourself.

start smoking?

[(SoS)Viruz]

No dont Smoke.....Lol.

But Basicly what you could do for some Inspiration is look at the Big Boy thread. But as your Bars go....Just Stay with Block Buster and Do letter at a time until you think they clean and good. Then the next one.....But It come with Time and Practice.

[RhodeIsland]

But make sure you dont get to much ''inspiration'' from the ''big boys'' lol

[Fube]

hahaha bullshit. u guys are at the one time in your graffiti carrier where u can bite the shit out of someone and get away with it.

but, there are some limitations.

its is only to advance your style. dont ever post something u bit and pass it off as your own. EVER.

if u do no matter what someone is gunna call u on it.

keep your bites to yourself and expand on them. make it your style with infulence.

theres a difference between a heavy influence and straight up biting.

the whole idea is to make u better while giving props to the writer that "inspired" u.

[Neg_INFLUENZ]

thanks everyone

[(SoS)Viruz]

Lol. But if your Viruz.....you get told the STFU and then spit some fire out lol.

[Syk X]

has anyone used the krylon with the built in "ez touch 360 dial" for controling the spray direction?? are they any good?

[RhodeIsland]

NO THEY ARE HORRIBLE! do not get em

[Syk X]

ok thanks man. I'll be sure to steer clear

[diggitydoggz]

couple questions:
1) people always tell us toys to practice simples/bars. what should we keep in mind while practicing them to get the most out of them and when can we move on from them?

2) is it better to not look at graffiti and develop completely your own style or look at pieces and try to mimic them but in your own way?

3) what are those pieces that people do on the big UPS envelopes?

[RhodeIsland]

1)Look at your keyboard and draw those letters with NO add-ons or extensions, you can move on when someone not toy tells you you can
h
2) This question was pretty much answered a page back

3) They are stickers

[diggitydoggz]

what i meant by the first question was what should we be thinking about working on specifically while drawing the simples? also for simples i know you said keyboard letters but i see a lot of people doing more varied simples... so basically should i just practice them like this guy's:

http://i44.tinypic.com/33aezhh.jpg

or is this type of simple good practice too (not mine, taken from another forum)

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/5646/dsc01123.jpg

[RhodeIsland]

The First one untill your letter structure gradually improves

If you keep doing your name in keyboard letters it will improve over time and it will come naturally

I'm reaally not the best at giving advice if you cant tell lol

[Facedorateur]

Start by keeping your bars the same size

[FrownzDS]

Question:

as far as doing burners, what is the best way to start?

[RhodeIsland]

If you really have to ask you are not ready.. Don't try

[cds_dogg665544]

whats the nibs made from on the window chalk markers? are the nibs animal friendly?

[RhodeIsland]

They are made out of baby rabbit hearts, tears of puppies and cat fur..

[HADES.]

whats the nibs made from on the window chalk markers? are the nibs animal friendly?

hahahahaaaa


yo and to the other cat,
always do ur block letters, it will develope your straight letter.

do straight letters first.
throwies will develope from the straight letter.
and pieces are straight letters, with extensions, cuts and other ill shit.

SO if you have your straight letter down. you have ur shit together.

[Scratch]

^lol wtf.

and to answer the other kid.. bars help you understand how letters WORK and what theyre constructed of.

[FrownzDS]

If you really have to ask you are not ready.. Don't try

not really helpful...

[Syke1FTP]

not really helpful...

here let me clear it up


DO NOT TRY IT! work your way up

[RhodeIsland]

Exaaaaaccctttttyyyyyyyy!

[peacebomb]

Ok heres my question ive been bumpin around alot of names. And i started writing Fresh. Im not trying to say my shit is fresh i just like the way the word fresh flows and I can write all those letters really good.

You guys think its ok to write fresh?

[BigBlueViolence]

It's mad cheesy, dude
But write what you want to write.

[DirtyDozen520]

I have a question: what exactly is 'can control'?

Could I please get a detailed answer? thx

[RhodeIsland]

When you can make a staight line with a can..If you just started
painting you have no can control

ei. You can hit a peice without doing touch-ups

[DirtyDozen520]

Alright, i get it now, thx man

[NouveauP]

I'm wanting to do a fairly large roller, but I'm unsure how to get a perfect line and angle rather than just roller control(?). Any tools you guys would recommend or is it better to just eyeball it?

[RhodeIsland]

Eyeball it..
It's not as hard is it looks

But you shouldnt really be trying rollers just work on your letter structure

[provinT13]

I have a question. When I do a throwie I use my fill color first for an outline, then fill that all in. But then when I go grab another color and start to do my outline, I get lost, like I can't see where my letters are going to start and end, so when I outline it the letters are horid. What should I do?

[NouveauP]

Well this is the roller I want to try. Tell me what to fix as far as structure. And roller makes it sound like I'm trying to do it bigger than I am. I want each letter to be maybe 7 foot high with it spanning maybe 12-14 feet. I guess I could do that with cans, but I'd like to learn to do rollers.

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo20/NouveauP/blockbust.jpg

As for the throwie question. I don't know what to tell you. Maybe practice doing dusty throws that way you can still see that line you made to outline your fill. Then after you get the motion of your throw you won't have to do it dusty anymore. Best advice I know to give.

[klic]

^whats a dusty throw?


Ok heres my question ive been bumpin around alot of names. And i started writing Fresh. Im not trying to say my shit is fresh i just like the way the word fresh flows and I can write all those letters really good.

You guys think its ok to write fresh?

i wouldnt, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62TnuLaasoU

[Fube]

first roller? u can goahead and forget about "clean lines". depending on the surface it might take 2 or 3 coats per letter. so use your time wisely. id get some hommies together for all massive rollers, line out the letters and have your buddies help u fill it in.

rollers are nice cus u can cover a lot of space, and its thick paint so its faster depending on the spot.

do not, i repeat, DO NOT use cans only. if u want cracks or some addons then sure use cans but they are called rollers for a reason.

[provinT13]

I have a question. When I do a throwie I use my fill color first for an outline, then fill that all in. But then when I go grab another color and start to do my outline, I get lost, like I can't see where my letters are going to start and end, so when I outline it the letters are horid. What should I do?

bump

[NouveauP]

A dusty throw is a throwup where the fill in isn't perfectly complete, sometimes leaving gaps.

For example this nest throw.
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii104/beefisforburgers/HPIM1335.jpg
See how he doesn't have an opaque fill and you can still see his first outline? Do it like that. Hope this helped.

[klic]

oh ok, haha another question then

what are dust tags?

[RhodeIsland]

Something that is non-existant

[klic]

Something that is non-existant

taken from the new to graff thread



B-Use paint, gain a thorough knowledge of supplies, remember that permission walls, stickers, and dust tags are small parts of a balanced diet, be bold, learn a style of writing for every occasion, and write your name bigger every time you go out.

[RhodeIsland]

Okay it is something that i've never heard of..lol

Different places use different terminology

[sike_21]

a dust tag is when you catch a pixie fairy and slp that bitch on a wall and make a tag out all the dust she drop- serious

[klic]

a dust tag is when you catch a pixie fairy and slp that bitch on a wall and make a tag out all the dust she drop- serious

haha thats what i was thinking

[Aesir]

Could be a referance to tags using fades.

[klic]

i think it is exactly what it sounds like.. just tagging a dusty window or something with your finger i guess? lol

[NouveauP]

Klic got it right. It's just a tag in some dust like a window or something. Also called "reverse graffiti"

[oxiclean]

How i can i make acrylic paint more permanent?

[provinT13]

A dusty throw is a throwup where the fill in isn't perfectly complete, sometimes leaving gaps.

For example this nest throw.
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii104/beefisforburgers/HPIM1335.jpg
See how he doesn't have an opaque fill and you can still see his first outline? Do it like that. Hope this helped. Ok so do the first outline solid and the fill light and dusty so I can still see the letters, got it I'll have to try it next weekend.

[NouveauP]

Alright. Show me how it works out.

[Black Flag]

A dust tag is when you use your finger or any another small object to brush away dust from a surface thus leaving your tag. On a lot of metal surfaces like dumpsters, boxes, doors, etc dust just seems to lay on thick and not come off. So your tag will actually be there longer then you think.

[RhodeIsland]

Ooooh that makes sense

[EST2007]

A dust tag is when you use your finger or any another small object to brush away dust from a surface thus leaving your tag. On a lot of metal surfaces like dumpsters, boxes, doors, etc dust just seems to lay on thick and not come off. So your tag will actually be there longer then you think.

AKA reverse graff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwsBBIIXT0E

[NouveauP]

Klic got it right. It's just a tag in some dust like a window or something. Also called "reverse graffiti"

I already went over this ;)

[EST2007]

lol missed that post, owell

[KnoxIn]

ok so i was wondering everyone has told me just draw and sketch for like half a year or longer tell i do paint now what if my painting "skills" aren't as good as my drawing ones like when i start painting should i just start with my simple writes and shit that i draw?

[RhodeIsland]

Yea only paint simples n shit because your can control sucks thats why you cant paint what you draw.. YET

[klic]

people are always telling me that i "need to add more style to my tag""
heres what i got going now
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq26/klic1/SANEKHandstyle5.jpg
ive tried adding quotes and other addons but evertone just tells me to get rid of them

so basically what do i need to do to add more style to my handstyle?

[oxiclean]

How i can i make acrylic paint more permanent?

?

[BigBlueViolence]

use it on concrete.

[oxiclean]

Sanek_change up your A's to lowercase every now and then and maybe keep the K smaller.

[Kaiser71]

people are always telling me that i "need to add more style to my tag""
heres what i got going now
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq26/klic1/SANEKHandstyle5.jpg
ive tried adding quotes and other addons but evertone just tells me to get rid of them

so basically what do i need to do to add more style to my handstyle?

I have the same problem with my tag, so this might not be much help, but I think you're looking in the wrong direction for a solution. Quotes, underlines, arrows and */star things can only do so much for a tag. Your letters look more like someone's simple handstyle than a tag; they just need to be a bit more..."complicated" for lack of a better word. Hope that helps. looks decent as it is, just a little on the boring side in my opinion.

Maybe mess with letter endings, overlap letters, and try more curves than straight lines. Also, a chisel tip or just fatter marker always makes it look better/more interesting to me.

Hope that makes sense and/or helps.

[.HATESONE.]

people are always telling me that i "need to add more style to my tag""
heres what i got going now
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq26/klic1/SANEKHandstyle5.jpg
ive tried adding quotes and other addons but evertone just tells me to get rid of them

so basically what do i need to do to add more style to my handstyle?
it needs more pizaaz haha.its to plain make it funkier i guess.what you should do is go to like tagsareknown or something and check how they do it and then kinda build off that.dont bite but you know,the more stuff you see the more likely their brilliance will rub off on you.

[sallybsk]

Try using a capital letter 'E'. More bars to play with, try underlining it with something other than a straight line... or don't underline it the same length EVERY tag... idk. Personally they just don't change, and it's too boring.
hmmm...

[cds_dogg665544]

what do they call those markers that r like mascara where you dip a brush thing connected to the lid and dip it in the contanier of ink and tag with the brush thing.
i saw it on Quility of life

[DirtyDozen520]

What do you guys think of the name, Rizex/Risex?

[EST2007]

i lol'ed

[RhodeIsland]

adding some letters on the end of rize/rise doesnt change anything. . .next. .

Hahahahahhhahahah!

[..romero..]

what do they call those markers that r like mascara where you dip a brush thing connected to the lid and dip it in the contanier of ink and tag with the brush thing.
i saw it on Quility of life

witches brew probably...

http://www.launderground.com/images/Markers-Ink/Witches-Brew-225.jpg

this is it?

[cds_dogg665544]

^^^^
i know what witches brew is i was wondering if it had a name for the type of marker (Examples:mop marker squezer marker

[..romero..]

oh.its called a dabber i guess...thats what i call em anyways..

[joker954]

around how long does it take a black pilot jumbo to fade???

[..romero..]

depends if its exposed to the sun and rain and what not...

[joker954]

well were i live theres a lot of sun

it doesnt fade as fast as a sharrpie right?

[..romero..]

nah.sharpies suck.pilots are pretty good imo.nothing wrong with rocking sharpie tags as long as you got style tho.

[joker954]

o ok
thx bro

[klic]

how do these sticker trades work? ive never really looked at the sticker thread that much

[KSFone]

how do these sticker trades work? ive never really looked at the sticker thread that much

agreed, would be a way to make friends i'm thinkin

[sallybsk]

well sticker trades pretty much work like this:
1. You PM them
2. They send you noodz(preferably a close up on the dick)
3. You send back a picture of your open mouth, (TRY NOT TO SHOW ANY OTHER PART OF YOUR FACE, we know you guys on BS are ugly)
4. And if desired, also send a picture of cock in hand(also preferably mid air action cum shot)

[Neg_INFLUENZ]

quick question. how the fuck can i get better with ma bars. is suck so much that even the bars are sloppy. my letters end up lookin like shit. ive been writing for about a year and i really havnt seen much improvement.

[Tokenkaligreens]

You just may not be artistically inclinde. In all honestly if you have been writing a year and cant do a clean simple I dont know what to say. Bars are the basics of graff and if you dont get those down how would you advance. Sketch sketch practice practice that's what it takes. But damn man a year and no improvement, maybe graff isn't for you homie.

[Neg_INFLUENZ]

i mean obviously theres small bits of improvement and ive been great at art pretty much my whole life. and i discovered bars like 4 months ago but still. any tips?

[RhodeIsland]

Just keep practicing and stay simple

[Facedorateur]

Heres a good program:
2 weeks
take a page of ur b-book
fill it with your simples
1 page per letter in ur name
lets say you have a 4 letter name (ex: joey) you would have 4 pages
do it every day of the week for 2 weeks

[klic]

im goin to staples soon to stock up on some supplies so what kind of markers and shit would you guys suggest i get?

[oxiclean]

Go to michaels if you have one instead.

[klic]

nope, theres none within an hour :(

[oxiclean]

That sucks, No other similar stores? Because I havent seen much at staples.
Although the last time i went, they had some prismas, but that was about it.
Definitely get some of those when you go if they have them.

[klic]

nope im just taking the bus into a small town like half an hour away, basically all there is for graff supplies are staples, canadian tire, homehardware, timrmart, and another hardware store

[oxiclean]

Are you planning on racking or buying?

[klic]

i might rack smaller stuff like prismas when i go to staples, i dont rack paint though

[oxiclean]

Cool.
Just get some markers for sketching and any other permanent markers or paint pens.

[klic]

alright thanks

[Apocalypse]

^decos, prismas, hell even a shitload of sharpies, I use black extra fine and fine sharpies more than like anything, ultra fine is too small though trust me, extra fine is just small enough for lines and still be good enough to see. Also any kind of white markers, for highlights, and greys for lowlights. Grab a few thick markers of a few different colors too, for quick fills. And then some stickers, "hello my name is" or just plain white ones, and a few poster markers for tags on the way home from the store haha and you're good.

[oxiclean]

http://www.business-supply.com/sku_images/image/PENZL31W_1_1.JPG
They should have those there too. Get some.

[ASTAR.DWSP]

i might rack smaller stuff like prismas when i go to staples, i dont rack paint though

and why not?? canadian tire (or wal-mart) is so easy to rack cans from.. there is no camera in the paint isle here.. and i can just walk out with buckets of paint..

what you do is stick like 4-5 cans in your belt line tighten your belt grab a 2$ color place can and pay for it.. then walk out.. (when doing this be sure to wear a big ZIP-UP hoodie or a coat..)

also what you can do is fill a small trash can with cans and get them to scan just the trash can...

[BigBlueViolence]

I would seriously warn against paying for shit when you are racking.
Do your best to be invisible.