Can Control Problems

[the infamous one]

ok, i searched and didnt find anything, so dont get mad at this question, here it goes, MY CAN CONTROL SUCKS, i know what your gonna say, practice practice pracitce, and i do, but it always fuckin drips, i try to spray fast and ive got no problems with the fill, but when i do the outline it drips like fuck, please help people, and dont close this pleasee :D thanks for any help you give

[Car2nist]

dont spray slow with the outline, do it fast... and dont put the can close up.

[mesONE]

Yea maybe wait till the fill drys a bit maybe its kinda mixing or something.

But yeah, go real fast with the outline and hold it prettty closeish but not real near to it.

[the infamous one]

thanks for the tips, but one thing, when i spray far away on the outline the line goes too big and looks pretty nasty, what should i do about that?

[mesONE]

Well always keep the can upright, not sure that has anything to do with it, but do it anyway ;), and keep it quite close to the wall, but as car2 said, not too close as you'll get some nasty drips. So just mid way between the two!!!

[Flow]

Trial & error. You can't read about how to paint or hold paint properly, get out there and do it.

[/*BlItZ*\]

the type of surface your writing on will also affect your can control, it took me awhile to do a freight

[Ravek]

the paint u use and the surface both effect ur control, its harder to wrtie on slick surfaces then rough surfaces, if ur getting like one or two drips thats fine but if ur getting like mad crazy drip then u need practice

[the infamous one]

its usually 4 or 5 for me lol, im shit i know

[Ravek]

stock caps are hard to control if u have no past can control expeirence so that might be it

[the infamous one]

yeh coz i was using belton and the stocks were the the thinnest i had, what are the best caps for outlines would u say????

[dez1]

Originally posted by Car2nist@Oct 16 2004, 11:19 AM
dont spray slow with the outline, do it fast... and dont put the can close up.
ano this is off topic but i just have to tell u that the sketch in ur sig is nice. really like it.

(no more beef) B)

[bbbbbbbbbbbbb]

2 drips or so won't really make a difference, but if you're getting alot of drips, just keep the can from a close distance away, not too far, not too close, and make fast clean strokes.

After a while, you'll have good can control.

[Kayone707]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/kaloe5/Wacky-Labels-25.jpg

[sika_2002]

do sprays on different types of walls so u no wat each on is like, painted brick walls are a pain cus no matter wot the drip
oh and kay, nice pic

[MoNkEy]

lol i h8 having to move fast cos you overshoot lines and stuff. On the montana website it says to hold the can upside down and spray and it will release some pressure or sumfin.

[aCId II nz]

yea i red that 2, try to imagne doing the line then move yr hand and the can over the line u want without spraying a few times to get the feel then do a real quick line so no drips.thats wat i do anyway kinda wrks
practice on smthing at home like a bit of old wood or smthng so that when u go to the wall u no wat yur doin
aCId II
peace

[Real8]

I like to pressure dump before finishing and lining

[LongQuan]

Drips are cool, but not when you want them.
Lots of good advice here already but I'll add a point I think has been missed.
When painting the out line move your hand at a moderately fast pace but remember to release your finger off the cap the instant the line you're painting has been finished. If not done right the last couple of inches of the outline will have more paint than the rest and will definate;y drip.
I hope this helps.

Peace
:ph34r:

[the infamous one]

yeh dude that helped alot thanks, also the problem i was having was that i pressed the cap at the start and i kinda held it there for a tiny bit too long but now its all cool, thanks alot guys for all the tips

[SiZ]

i keep the can close 2 the wall and move it fast and it dosnt drip =| idk thats jus me mayb u cant move it fast and keep it with out over shootin what u want..iv never dont the upside down stuff 2 relase presure..i mite do that

[jd07]

this worked for me. i didnt want to embarress myself when i started getting my name up, so i learned how to paint on my garage door. the paint on it is really slick, almost like painting on plastic exept even smoother. i kept getting frustrated becasue i couldnt get my outlines to look good. when i hit the streets, the walls were more poureous and my shit looked way better. and to solve your dripping problem, hold the can upside down and spray to let out some pressure. no paint will come out. eventually you will get the hang of it and you will do better. also, dont open a brand new can of paint for the outline. breand new cans are full of pressure and want to spray out really hard, so that can cause problems for a beginner

[Zealot]

Originally posted by jd07@Oct 7 2005, 01:32 PM
and to solve your dripping problem, hold the can upside down and spray to let out some pressure. no paint will come out. eventually you will get the hang of it and you will do better. also, dont open a brand new can of paint for the outline. breand new cans are full of pressure and want to spray out really hard, so that can cause problems for a beginner
you can let out alot of pressure... hold it upside down for a minute or two.and get some german outlines, they are definatly the easiest to control and dont let very much paint out.

[i nuk all night]

yeah, i agree with holding the can upside down for a while to let off some pressure. i usually do that after i get through painting too, to help cut down on clogging.

[daloner]

i just did a piece in my house with montana hard core and they dripted!!!! but i did it wit da caps dat they sale at bombing science, dat are red and they have a tube goin out like the wd 40, and it dripted,is it da cap or is it me????

[tekkem flop FLA]

yeah, those are called needle caps..
i wouldn't use those for an outline...or a fill...
and why would you buy some caps, and not even know what they're used for?

[jd07]

dont use needle caps at all. they have mad drips and they are super skiny so they are bad for tags

[daloner]

i only bought 10 to try them out, i forgot da name, what should i use them for???

[Ume]

yeah wtf are you using needle caps for an outline?


theyre good for like nothing really..that i know of

[daloner]

i used them for shapin da piece, piece of shit!, never buytin them again, what thins should i get? i got some mclaim but damn! low preassure only

[Ume]

get german outline 1's or 2's....the needle tips are good for stencils i guess.

[daloner]

k thx

[jd07]

Originally posted by daloner@Oct 7 2005, 07:27 PM
i used them for shapin da piece, piece of shit!, never buytin them again, what thins should i get? i got some mclaim but damn! low preassure only
german outline and gold dots are low pressure. grey dots also work

[?!?]

Originally posted by Car2nist@Oct 16 2004, 11:19 AM
dont spray slow with the outline, do it fast... and dont put the can close up.
wtf?? when did YOU start painting? lol :lol: :lol:

[tekkem flop FLA]

Originally posted by Ume@Oct 7 2005, 07:31 PM
get german outline 1's or 2's....the needle tips are good for stencils i guess.
i dunno...
i have gold's, grey's, ny thins, ny fats, caligraphy's, german outline's, rusto fats, and needle's..

i tag with needle caps and caligraphies, and i kinda like the needle caps. they're not bad.

[daloner]

any high pressure good caps? dat goes thinbut u can make it faded to? ny thins?? germans?? wat?

[Ume]

Originally posted by tekkem flop FLA+Oct 7 2005, 09:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (tekkem flop FLA @ Oct 7 2005, 09:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Ume@Oct 7 2005, 07:31 PM
get german outline 1&#39;s or 2&#39;s....the needle tips are good for stencils i guess.
i dunno...
i have gold&#39;s, grey&#39;s, ny thins, ny fats, caligraphy&#39;s, german outline&#39;s, rusto fats, and needle&#39;s..

i tag with needle caps and caligraphies, and i kinda like the needle caps. they&#39;re not bad. [/b][/quote]
well the needle tips are known as stencil tips to...thats the only reason i said theyre good for stencils..

[ACE]

Needle caps aren&#39;t really good for much except for like characters and stuff. I&#39;ve used them before to get fine detail in in chars. and other objects. There kinda hard tot get used to. Besides that I can&#39;t think if any thing they would be good for.

[tekkem flop FLA]

what do you guys use for tags? maybe stocks or even ny fats?

[jd07]

Originally posted by tekkem flop FLA@Oct 8 2005, 12:03 PM
what do you guys use for tags? maybe stocks or even ny fats?
ny fats and orange dots

[maze.dsk]

Originally posted by the infamous one@Oct 16 2004, 10:46 AM
ok, i searched and didnt find anything, so dont get mad at this question, here it goes, MY CAN CONTROL SUCKS, i know what your gonna say, practice practice pracitce, and i do, but it always fuckin drips, i try to spray fast and ive got no problems with the fill, but when i do the outline it drips like fuck, please help people, and dont close this pleasee :D thanks for any help you give
try thins for out lines, i perfer ny thins, but i also use ny fats for my out lines
so i dunno i think its justb u hahah cuz i havent been writing for long and the only reason i would get drips is cuz i use cheapos, u may wan to try the krylons or rustos, or if you have the money use beltons or montanas

[daloner]

was thinner, germans outlines or ny thins?

[bla]

sometimes the paint dont mix. for example you cannot write with black ontop of a silver montana paint, it drips because they just dont mix. Maybe thats your problem.

[Mekas]

Originally posted by bla@Oct 9 2005, 06:44 PM
sometimes the paint dont mix. for example you cannot write with black ontop of a silver montana paint, it drips because they just dont mix. Maybe thats your problem.
Haha man did you learn that one the hard way or what?

[mplsghost]

id say ny thins and close but fast like 4inches or closer and fast let off before you stop movin your hand, the surface can fuck it up like if theres condensation or anything like that it will drip easy as fuck. ive had germans fuck up when is really cold out like they fucking spew liquid out around the bottom

[Kilo]

well if your out line&#39;n with black use mtn xl cans i think it is the xl can, it has tar in it man. no drip. you can go as slow as you want ive found and its in a 600 or 500 ml can? cant remember, go check it out..

[clone20]

you need a high pressure can and don&#39;t hold the can close to the wall.. :ph34r:

[esso-two]

keep the movement smooth and keep the same speed while you&#39;re doing a line

[Paint Magic]

either you suck or your paint sucks

[minor crimes]

low pressure cans are wear it is for outlines. if ur doing an inline do the inline first then ur black. but if ur guna do ur bubbles a diff ocolour then ur final outline do ur bubbles straight after ur fill and b4 ur black outline and use skinny caps.

[fake]

some colors drip more than others sliver black and heavy colors seem to drip like a bitch whith me.

[To.The.Beat]

Deal with the drips and then cut them back or just use a fatcap.
Grey dots are dope, my favorite. They clog easy on thick paint but are low pressure enough to get nice lines on shit paint and not clog.

[Deph.One]

don&#39;t use belton stocks

you mean the black ones with the white dot ?

cause they drip loads

try using a diffrent paint maybe ?

a lower pressure can

don&#39;t have the can all up to the wall as well

if you hold it away and it flares a bit

go over it n make the line crisp

try not to make it flare diffrent sizes though

keep it the same distance + angle

[crozzy]

if your using beltons, they have a variable valve system so theyre low pressure if you push down just a little bit, then higher pressure when you fully push down the cap. but unless your moving like a sloth, you wont really get drips with beltons.

[Kayone707]

Originally posted by Deph.One@Apr 13 2007, 05:14 AM
don&#39;t use belton stocks

you mean the black ones with the white dot ?

cause they drip loads

if your dripping with stock beltons find another hobby

[Divine89]

stock caps are hard to control if u have no past can control expeirence so that might be it

so THATS why my lines get drippy! and i'm still toy.:( i hate stock caps...

[Phantazm]

Stock caps are really unfriendly towards painting in general cause they have this spray line that sprays an extremely thick line because the cans are intended for painting stuff really fast and getting a coat on an object. Use the german outlines i find the ones with the grey on the tip is really really nice the line is really thin and if you de-pressurize the can it'll make an outline that is almost faded looking cause it has such a small amount of paint on it. NEVER NEVER use stock caps unless if you're doing throwies tags or just outlines. Full color pieces or even throwies with color come out really bad with stock caps because the paint is so thick that once it makes contact with other paint it globs up into drips thats what your problem is.. you start painting and painting a sick outline then you apply your fill and any contact with the outline makes a mess... hope this helps GERMAN OUTLINE grey =P

[vus_01]

german outline FTW.....for outlines, the best.

so, i have one question....for mtn black-silver 750mL which cap is best for fillin on throwups and not to drip....i tried some caps but don't know...it has a too big pressure...so anyone knows?

[Phantazm]

german outline FTW.....for outlines, the best.

so, i have one question....for mtn black-silver 750mL which cap is best for fillin on throwups and not to drip....i tried some caps but don't know...it has a too big pressure...so anyone knows?

I use the flat head spray tip which sprays a line rather than a circle, you can grab these caps from the rustoleum flourescent spray line its really good for fills especially on a low pressure can use the upside down method to de-pressurize any spray can, hold it upside down and spray until air comes out and wait about 10 seconds and it should be enough and if you don't notice the difference keep letting the air out...hope this helps

[vus_01]

yeah....here, we don't have anything than a montana german (yea i'm from europe)

but i had one cap...it's called transversal/calygraphy.....

i'll try that...and thx :)


AND YEA, TRY THIS ONE. MAN HAS THE BEST CAN CONTROL EVER.
CLICK HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzzkBM5iuTo)

[noxi]

Those are some sick ass flares

[Bazer]

AND YEA, TRY THIS ONE. MAN HAS THE BEST CAN CONTROL EVER.
CLICK HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzzkBM5iuTo)

gayy... thats not you... llol

[vus_01]

gayy... thats not you... llol


who even sad that this is me? -.-''

n00b

[HëRbN]

really.... your callin The Baze meister a noob.....?? It says one and only infront of his name for a reason haha

[vus_01]

like noxi sad, those are sick ass flares.

(i don't like when somebody puts words in my mouth. ok?)

peace

[bilal_tariq]

who even sad that this is me? -.-''

n00b
Fail.

[KarmaOne]

http://www.mtncolors.com/s.nl/it.A/id.466/.f

they said that the cap above is perfect for out lines and dont drip much

[vus_01]

yea, but they aren't something special, believe me....

about this video, guy uses Astro cap i think or maybe Montana gold...

[Shiva.]

http://www.mtncolors.com/s.nl/it.A/id.466/.f

they said that the cap above is perfect for out lines and dont drip much

Needle Cap for Ultra thin lines, High pressure. Slightly hard to control, recomended for experrt users only.

[Phantazm]

don't use belton stocks

you mean the black ones with the white dot ?

cause they drip loads

The belton stocks only drip loads and have a fat line if you press down really hard since the belton cans have this special valve that if used properly it works very well with short bursts of paint kind of like sketching :D

[letsgobombin]

http://www.mtncolors.com/s.nl/it.A/id.466/.f

they said that the cap above is perfect for out lines and dont drip much
it drips like a bitch, dont get it, just search it on youtube to find out

[Bazer]

"recommended for expert users only."

[+[{∑$∑Я}]+•åßk•ıwk•]

something i found that helps is just like not gripping the can to tight just real loose. this way you have more control and your throws and shit will be lookin fresh in no time

[Ekos1nr]

like noxi sad, those are sick ass flares.

(i don't like when somebody puts words in my mouth. ok?)

peace

my dick


swallow dem words captain

[noxi]

I think ny thins would work good for outlines because they come out pretty low pressure. At least the ny fats on my rustos do so it doesnt really drip.

[Hobbes]

Wow, a lot of you for some reason stick behind the idea "you just gotta go out and do it!" well thats true but that doesn't mean there aren't useful tips. Practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect. Its no good to tell a toy to "practice!" if he is practicing wrong.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm always tryin' to invent new ways to practice 'n shit, especially since I'm not painting right now.

One good thing to help you practice your can control is to just do lines. I saw this dude at a graff exhibit and I think he was only a legal eagle but he had mad shit, seen his portfolio and he does all kindsa 3d wildstyles - art student though.

But thats what he told me. He also said that krylon is pretty good and he used that a lot when he started, so don't get the idea that "ooh krylon just sucks!" because its like skating, if you skate with a shitty deck and can land a kickflip, then its not like its gonna be harder to do a kickflip when you get your new board.

Some shit I do too, is just pick up and cylinder and pretend that shit is a can, then just practice on a wall trying to move it around quick-slow- and at the same distance.


But if you really wanna practice can control without fucking up a lot of walls, GET SOME PRACTICE AEROSOL! What I mean, is any sort of cleaner like window cleaner, or what I use is steel cleaner at my work.

I've been sneakin' out the back lately and practicing my throws and tags on this big metal surface, its ill, it has a fat cap.

If you let your wrist flow and move around, your gonna get flares and shit, so if your not wanting to have an uneven width on your outline, practice keeping your wrist stiff - not too stiff, but so that when you are drawing a line and it goes out to the side, you don't let your wrist slid and end up doing a flare while begginning to shoot away from the wall.

But hey, I'm just a toy and these are things I'm doing for practice, its seeming to help but I guess I won't really know till I go out and try to piece again. I be practicin' straight letters and shit too...comin' out much better.

Ohh, and toys should definitely know that holding the can at angles produces different results, you can hold it parrallel to the wall, at an angle, etc. experiment and see what happens.

[Sadistic.Child]

this might sound stupid,
but ive been trying to find some good caps for painting characters
lately ive just used NY thins, and German outlines

[Ekos1nr]

try grey dots nice thin lines personally i dont really like german outlines for any thing but tags but thats just me anyways

[Phantazm]

yeah....here, we don't have anything than a montana german (yea i'm from europe)

but i had one cap...it's called transversal/calygraphy.....

i'll try that...and thx :)


AND YEA, TRY THIS ONE. MAN HAS THE BEST CAN CONTROL EVER.
CLICK HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzzkBM5iuTo)

Late response but the caps i was talking about are commonly referred to as calligraphy tips since you can literally write calligraphic stuff with that cap, as for trying to do calligraphy without that tip good luck...about the only cool thing you can do with out calligraphy caps is flares...hope this helps

[Kayone707]

. Its no good to tell a toy to "practice!" if he is practicing wrong.
there is no way to "practice wrong"
every time you pick up a can you learn something new.
so GO PRACTICE.

[nero112]

thanks to kays vids i learnt how to keep shit clean n do cut backs n shit when i started painting..:D

[Sadistic.Child]

kays vids? WHERE

[ohgawdxcarcrash]

I think the most efficient way to practice can control is just getting used to the can in your hand. I sometimes use cleaners that lay around in the house and its great for practicing can control. and you can clean as you do it so you get better can control, and a clean house.

[Kali]

my problem is that sometimes ill hold it a decent distance away and then without realizing, i go closer and closer to the wall. watch for that cause it might cause problems

[ohgawdxcarcrash]

when you go closer to the wall, just make sure to move fast to avoid drips.

[Scratch]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2496915615_a860943868.jpg?v=0

so i have flairs down, but does anyone have any tips on how to thin your lines, like in the bottom part of this picture?

for some reason i cant do thin lines, i can only do medium ones and flare them to make them fatter.

thanks

[Vagrant]

to get the lines THAT thin its probably the cap.
otherwise the only thing I can think of off the top of my head is practically scraping the wall with the cap, releasing pressure, and following through all at the same time.
It would definitely take some practice to get all three of those things down at the same time.

[noxi]

You can do it with any fat caps but it wont get as thin as that unless you use a ny fat. Ny fats are good for getting hella skinny lines like that. You just gonna move it down fast.

[Pesky_Human]

I have been experimenting a LOT with flares. I find that a clear astro cap (the can killer) gives the best results. Huge dusty cones, and if you time it right, needle thin with no drips at the bottom. It just takes a ton of practice. It also helps if you are using a Belton or other low pressure can. Even if I empty out a bunch of the propellant from a Rusto can, it's a lot more challenging to control than a German low pressure can. The slower you can go, the better the control.

EDIT: here's an example - obviously nothing compared to those INSANE flares that keep getting posted, but just wanted to show that you can get sharp tips even with the biggest cap on the planet. I do love the clear caps...

http://www.tbproject.org/images/flare.jpg

[Pesky_Human]

Seriously every time I see this I want to throw up. FUCKING RIDICULOUS!!!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2107/2496915615_a860943868.jpg?v=0

[Cesk]

So basically I found my favourite way of flaring is using NY Fats and Maintain paint (Unlike A LOT of mexican paint it lets you controll if you want lowwwww pressure or high pressure) so I make thin likes with the high pressure but move quickly. Most mexican paint if you spray it comes out the size of the can, no matter what so Belton Skinnies are only a fat to me D: haha

[cans905]

i find just switching caps can mess up my control
so even if i alrdy used that cap that day, whenever i start using it again, i do a few test sprays to get used to it again

[Teez-EmM!!!]

do get thin clean edges: its all about how much pressure u put on the cap. u have to only pusses it down halfway then relise your finger when it gets to the end of the line so it thins out. do the same with the second line. go fast. just guess were to start realising your finger to early and u dont make the point to late and u now have a y shaped line altho u can fix that with cuts. you only put half pressure and realize a little early so you dont get a big dot typle thing were were point should be. and you get a thiner cleaner line. takes a little bit of time to get the hang of it but is key to making nice thin lines and sharp points with out doing alot of cuts.

[KireOne]

i find just switching caps can mess up my control
so even if i alrdy used that cap that day, whenever i start using it again, i do a few test sprays to get used to it again

word. when i switch from fats to skinnys it seems like my control goes to shit. ill be goin good and my hand will shake a little and then i got a fucked up line :(

[snap_pxc]

move quicker

[bloks]

i find it funny,
that although all of these manouvers may work
and that its pretty crap to get heaps of drips,
but its common sense to buy tins that arent high pressure,
and if the piece is lookin fairly dump on the outline cut it back
make it sharp as a knife,
and use a german outline or grey dot for your outlines,
they work magnificent,
cheers for the thread but lad, :)
pce

[thethirdeye]

For the op
try holding your can farther away from the wall
use quick and fast movements
and use good quality paint

[Kimo13]

as to that, u needa find a good skinny cap, and def. wait a couple minutes for ur fill to dry...at least if ur in a pretty chill spot. I had that same problem when i first started.

[TASR]

fuck man, I learned my lesson last night, I did a throw witht his shitty ass no name white paint, then i did my outline and it just dripped as if I did the outline wth a mop, i was so pissed

[markingz.]

thanks to kays vids i learnt how to keep shit clean n do cut backs n shit when i started painting..:D
those vids sucked i knew how to paint before i watched that garbage

I can guarantee you that video was an absolute waste of his time and everyones watching it, come on guys, you cant teach can control, pick up a can and go out there and paint like hell, thats the only way your going to learn. Your gonna fuck up a few pieces and stuff, and each time you do you'll be like next time I wont do that and you'll do something differently, thats how you get control, practicing on your own. Not watching some lame tutorial by some wannabe king lol.

[TrandomnesstwO]

Fuck I just bomb.My can control problem is with the accuratcy with the final outline after the normal outilne.
Hope that made sense.

[Endzero]

practice using a can when its not there
just like air guitar hahah
think of new techniques on how how to move your hand
you just have to have good coordination i guess
and try different caps see which you like and how to use them
expeirement and youll find what fits you

[epitaph.one]

if you visualize yourself doing a throw over and over again, its a proven scientific fact that by the time you go and do it for real, you will have already become 20% better since your last try.
--
ie. day dreaming and practicing in your head also helps. im not saying your going to go from sloppy drips to immaculate crisp lines, but it will help. also - just like golfing, take a few practice swings if your worried about messing up
--

[Aerosoloholic]

yea theres alot of science behind it lol

[TheMurderousMisterMero_]

you only get better by going out and doing it..i practiced with hairspray for quite a while on a mirror and also by practicing in ditches and shit...it takes time.

[Flert1]

hair spray on a mirror ??? hahah my first outlines are usually sloppy but then i fix it up and chop it with the same color inside the fill....i just gotta make it look nicer with the can u used for the fill...get it ?

[TheMurderousMisterMero_]

yeah its better than wasting paint..plus it wasnt mine..i stole it from my siser and mom and whoever else.it was never in short supply.

[DeeSquared]

you wanna get good can control ok watch the fresh prince intro 1000 times with will smiff and you will see GREAT can control i learned from the best feel me

[zenne]

dude, your a faggot. will smith has horrible can control.

[DeeSquared]

no he dosent he's the only writer who i know that can tag a wall right in front of a cop and still trick the cop into thinking its deoderant thats can control

[zenne]

oh you know him? really now.

[DeeSquared]

oh yeah me and Big Willie go way back before he was known as Fresh Prince and just William

[Marke]

How long did it take you veterans to get a good handle on can control? Cause I've only been out 4 or 5 times practicing in a drain ditch and I don't have terrible can control but I know I'm not ready to hit the streets.

[Dsub]

no he dosent he's the only writer who i know that can tag a wall right in front of a cop and still trick the cop into thinking its deoderant thats can control

Real talk.

[JayAyDubZed]

How long did it take you veterans to get a good handle on can control? Cause I've only been out 4 or 5 times practicing in a drain ditch and I don't have terrible can control but I know I'm not ready to hit the streets.

If you got a can. Then you're ready to hit the streets. it may be shitty but you gotta get your buzz and used to paintin that way.

[LeaksOne]

oh yeah me and Big Willie go way back before he was known as Fresh Prince and just William

sorry to bust your hard core bubble but will smiths real name is willard not william

[Cure Sure Lure]

thanks for the tips, but one thing, when i spray far away on the outline the line goes too big and looks pretty nasty, what should i do about that?

Get skinny caps, or get lower-pressure cans.
Some montana's are good, dont use those 600ers for detail work etc.
You know what I mean.
Just know your stuff, know what is good for what.

[CrustOner]

or come a little closer and move a lot faster.

[EGO31]

speed, biggest factor.
Working with different caps so you get used to the way they flow, for example, orange dots for outlins are pure win, and solid silvers for fills, etc..
Just time and experimentation.
It sucks, but that is the only way, to really know how it works.

[Spraycan Stories]

I cant get flairs no matter what i do.
Ive tried with pink dot, and new york fat.

[JackieChanRollin]

I cant get flairs no matter what i do.
Ive tried with pink dot, and new york fat.

What kind of paint are you using?
Krylon + Pink dot = Definite flairs
Its all in your wrist btw.

[AnotherDead]

@ spraycan stories
pull away from the wall and flick up.
and when at the bottom of the tag bring the can close to the wall and work faster and sharper.
this is a new york fat with a can of mtn hardcore.
did it in winter, wack but i like the flares.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3156/3072064445_9516b4e779.jpg?v=0

just practice and you'll get it

[JackieChanRollin]

I dont think it looks wack man.
Ny fats on MTN harcore are fucking great.

[Spraycan Stories]

What kind of paint are you using?
Krylon + Pink dot = Definite flairs
Its all in your wrist btw.


@ spraycan stories
pull away from the wall and flick up.
and when at the bottom of the tag bring the can close to the wall and work faster and sharper.
this is a new york fat with a can of mtn hardcore.
did it in winter, wack but i like the flares.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3156/3072064445_9516b4e779.jpg?v=0

just practice and you'll get it

I use rusto with rusto fats, and krylon if i find the ones with normal caps.
I actually think i found my problem i flick up and stop spraying, i tihnk im supposed to spray a little longer to allow the line to widen.
Thats just a guess that hit me.
Thanks a lot by the way.

[Dsub]

What kind of paint are you using?
Krylon + Pink dot = Definite flairs
Its all in your wrist btw.

I'd say Krylon flares best with an Ny Fat. I don't know what you're talking about with the wrist, I tried using wrist flickage for a year and it never gave me a clean flare once.

I'd say the trick is to use an Ny Fat, hold the can perfectly upright and start from far away from the wall for the fat ends of the flare and move the can in towards the wall to tighten up the lines. Holding the can upright as much as possible is crucial though..

[AnotherDead]

i do exactly what dsub is saying. for starters it gives you those nice dots popping at the top when you bring your line up and back down quick.
and JackieChanRollin ahaha nice username, your right about the timing, i thought you already knew that, which is why i never spoke of it really

[JayAyDubZed]

Yeh. Agreed. Starting from the top and coming down is way easyer. And you can get real nice results with it. But not with NY fats. Pink dots or orange dots work best. (In my opinion)

[MARTYRaz]

now i do the opposite and start at the bottom and go up...i can do it just fine..i did this with a silver fat...
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/celivas3/vdr.jpg

[HADES.]

WORD.
hey im glad u use krylon and rusto.
they are great american brands and are underrated in the graffiti community.
it takes real talent to use that stuff cuz unlike montana companies and belton and all that artsy garbage
rusto is made for rusted steel. it takes more skill, but its worth it, plus you'll save alot.

and heres hints for RUSTOLEUM/PAINTERS TOUCH...

-only good for fast high pressure fills.
they're not that wide. and they dont really flare.

-(OLD CANS) use NY FATS they work great.
and NY THINS they work great.
and GERMAN OUTLINE 1 they work super great for thin lines.
-(NEW CANS) CAP ADAPTORS ROCK.



HAVE FUN KID. STAY ON THAT REAL SHIT.

[HADES.]

OH and FOR krylon is going down the drain...
its only good for tags
cuz its not thick enough to cover tough shit like raw wood and raw concrete.
BEST flare with any EURO FAT CAPS
BUTTTT
NY FAT is a huge plus homie.

[west-dmk]

idk how to answer that cuz i never had can control problems with outlines or drips, my only problem was the speed and size that i painted at. i guess i can say this though: swing your arm fast instead of doing it slow and trying to make it perfect, this helps prevent drips.

[.nolove.]

word.and try not to hold the can too close to the wall for too long.i like to let my hand follow my eyes to the point i want the line to go.this usually helps me get cleaner straight lines.i really dont know how to explain that better but since ive been doing that i havent missed the point where my lines connect like i used to.whatever i havent yet mastered my can control completely anyways ive been a paperboy for a while haha.

[dangeri]

im pretty new to it so my 2 cents worth mite not be upto much, however... i found that the further away the can was from my body the more inacurate the paint was, so keeping the can close to my chest and moving my body instead really helped my lines. its not always possible but it really helped me out :)

[sr20veneovvl]

use a beige dot and a montana 94 or nitro 2g no drips.

[rone]

just move the can fast

[BlacktodaFuture]

practice with really shitty cans, and do everything with really shitty cans when you start out so you get amazing can control so when you move onto ironlak and montana it is so much easier.

[massacreman]

i just use whatever i can find :P mostly montana golds cos my garden centre sells them ( no lie, ill make a pic of it when im there)

[TrandomnesstwO]

I cant do flares when I want to,seems like it just randomly starts showing up neverthless I am pleased,what a helpful site.

[prefer]

you know what you need to do is speed up your movement with the can, your obviously not doin it right, you should know

[blackpeople]

now i do the opposite and start at the bottom and go up...i can do it just fine..i did this with a silver fat...
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b110/celivas3/vdr.jpg

same here i flick my wrist up and away heres a sample of mine
http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af222/enso12/p_00358-1.jpg
this was rusto flat black wit Elmer glue spray glue cap

[blackpeople]

also what to say cus u keep saying ny fat on rusto haha bad combo bro.....ny fat are for krylin and then montana and ironlak shit like that.... ny fat make rusto spit or leak out top....

[JayAyDubZed]

Its way easyer flaring from top to bottom I rekon. And you can easily get em nice n pointy at the bottom.

[SiNe-VrL-516]

practice with really shitty cans, and do everything with really shitty cans when you start out so you get amazing can control so when you move onto ironlak and montana it is so much easier.
I love IRonlak paint i got like 40 to 50 cans of it easy

[trowel]

can control doesn't have all that much to do with the paint.

paint in fact makes essentially NO difference...ever heard of totem2? he uses just rusto and basic ny caps for many pieces and if you have seen his work you know how insane it is especially for the tools used...

Its all about the PAINTER not the paint.

[Noz]

yea but itll be harder to have good can control with high pressure paint as opposed to low pressure paint.. but other than that, i agree^

[CrustOner]

Although Valspar Odds and Ends won't be making clean lines in my lifetime.

[Noz]

well yea, true...

[trowel]

that was sort of my point.

I know...but some of these kids need a real world example as proof.

kudos though...you did make the point.

:)

[LLamaSense]

also what to say cus u keep saying ny fat on rusto haha bad combo bro.....ny fat are for krylin and then montana and ironlak shit like that.... ny fat make rusto spit or leak out top....



guy...ny fats are the best thing for rustos, i dont use anything but. b4 u paint or shake the can.. turn it upside down and press the cap for a while, a little color will come out but it relieves some pressure inside the can. pres it until u feel its enough and ull see that it sprays mad smoother and a solid one inch line. if not then i dont know what to tell you :D

heres the first time i ever used the NY FAT and i never looked back.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2522/3921250875_4ebb10bc0d.jpg

Wher2 LBC GUK

[delliproof]

hey yo, when using Krylon on indoor walls, what are smart ways to keep the drips down? Especially when working on the fill.

[Karl Malowned.]

ive been using my middle finger to "trace" the outside edge for all my outlines/force's. if u havent tried this yet it works amazing. idk if it makes any sense how i am typing it out, but if you use your pointer finger to press the cap, use your middle finger to "trace" that edge that youre trying to outline. not sure if anyone posted this here yet but it works very well

[dip02]

use a thicker cap

[phoe]

ive been using my middle finger to "trace" the outside edge for all my outlines/force's. if u havent tried this yet it works amazing. idk if it makes any sense how i am typing it out, but if you use your pointer finger to press the cap, use your middle finger to "trace" that edge that youre trying to outline. not sure if anyone posted this here yet but it works very well

this works great on smooth walls. +1

[Karl Malowned.]

good shit Phoe, glad to see this worked out for you. was wondering if anyone else has tried this method or has already been using it for ages. no matter how fast you "trace" it seems like it comes out money every time. met some cat in the city who told me about this method so i cant really take any credit. now if i only knew some writers to get up with in my area id be straaiiiiggghhht heh

[phoe]

yes i just happened to do it one day, a slight tattoo technique. works great, just i wouldnt suggest on a bare wall.

[STARPLAYER]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpQHnXlnjw8

[bomber boy]

when i started out i found this as a good way to get can control find a wall or abandoned building or something out of veiw and spend a while just learning the flow and speed the paint comes out doesnt have to be anything could just be lines but u get used to the speed u need and losening up ur arm

[4menace2society0]

the kid in the vid isnt the best example specially with his flashlight
and i think you just need to keep your arm relaxed and not shaky and your set, practice doin your lines in strides and cuttin lines and thats all it is
and i think paint does make a big difference, not gunna make the graff better but using ironlak is gunna bring sucha cleaner peice out than one with rusto, but dont get me wrong you can do it with rusto you just gunna need to spend more time on it cleanin it up thats all

[cincygraff]

i recommend and NY FAT try em out

[zachatnca]

ok yes practice will get you better EVENTUALLY but you wanna get better now right? well let me tell you someone a while back gave me the most useful tip i have ever gotten. the trick is to not bend your wrist at all and flow with the can, become the can. this may sound zen the fucked out but it really works. to practice this put on any sort of glove and put a rubberband around the bottom at your wrist. then when your ready to write put the can in the rubberband and it will help you practice moving the can and not bending your wrist. another tip is that you wanna make sure you'll have enough room, when i first started graf i had lots of trouble with estimating my room i always had to go higher then i could reach so the tops would always fade out. also to prevent the drips the only thing i can think of is if your using high pressure paint, dont. i feel like high presure paint takes a while to master and you really need to practice alot with it and i think its terrible if your just starting to write. goodluck with the bombing man

[Reger]

How do u know if it is a high or a low pressure can? I use ironlak..

[H1P30N3R]

ironlak is low pressure ironlak reload is high pressure