International Graffiti

[LongQuan]

A popular misconception is that graffiti is exclusive to the North American continent.

In fact it is an international occurance and pisses 'normal people' off worldwide...

This thread is designed as an area to discuss any feelings about/experiences of/opinions on the worldwide graffiti culture.

For instance:

The culture in Europe (especially france) has born the Euro-style and my last visit to the dam (amsterdam) proved that the nederlands are the place to be for crazy abstract wall scribingz.

Now you chime in with your two cents!

Easi
:ph34r:

[atxbomber666]

i went to zurich,switzerland,they have it goin on.for a mile on the train walls all i saw was peice after peice.seems like its legal there there was so much graffiti.

[LOST]

there are so many "legal walls" in other countries because its seen more as an art rather than a nusence. Cops aren't worried about kids with spray cans in countries like brazil, there're more worried about the violence and real problems. Just look at graff in europe, japan and brazil. there are a lot of writers in courties across the ocean that got crazy can control.

If anything, i think american writers have it the worst, we have so many obsticals preventing us from getting a good piece up sometimes i think we are up there robbers in how serious we are taken. It seems like you gotta be like a navy seal just to get some good work in. Sometimes I swear I spend more energy not getting seen or caught than painting, u know?

[dcite]

well there are a bunch of people from other countries and continents on this forum, and from this forum i learned that graffiti is big in canada. i would still have agreed with that 'popular misconception' if i wasnt a frequent on bombing science.

nice thread

[oblong]

Originally posted by LongQuan@Oct 20 2004, 05:46 PM
A popular misconception is that graffiti is exclusive to the North American continent.

In fact it is an international occurance and pisses 'normal people' off worldwide...

This thread is designed as an area to discuss any feelings about/experiences of/opinions on the worldwide graffiti culture.

For instance:

The culture in Europe (especially france) has born the Euro-style and my last visit to the dam (amsterdam) proved that the nederlands are the place to be for crazy abstract wall scribingz.

Now you chime in with your two cents!

Easi
:ph34r:
woah! you sound like a professor!

[-->MaNiK1<--]

I currently live in the Midwest and i have never been over seas. But i do have friends who travel, and i always have them gather some stickas for me so when they comeback i can see the styles. They also take a lotta pics and have noticed the extrordanary amount of legal wall space in the European states. Dedcated writers like EASI are far and few. A lotta writers in the united states are more focused on "killin" objects rather than piecing. Let it be said that I love stickers, Tags and Thowups, but i think people tend to become obsessed with 1 thing and don't branch out quite as much as they could. For instance, i believe people should incorperate other thimgs into their pieces like bulidings and more graphic design type work, only in spraycan form. This isn't directed at any writer in perticular, i'm just incouraging people to think about the way they do thing, (i'm not asking anybody to change their style for me) but simply use everything in a certaiin dose. Tag, Bomb, Piece, do productions even, but please, for graffiti's sake, don't be repetitive.
---->MaNikOnEr<----aka----Demyz----aka----*iHoNer*<----

[glue]

Originally posted by dcite@Oct 20 2004, 09:22 PM
well there are a bunch of people from other countries and continents on this forum, and from this forum i learned that graffiti is big in canada. i would still have agreed with that 'popular misconception' if i wasnt a frequent on bombing science.

nice thread
i live in toronto and ive been to the usa a few times when i went to chicago i didnt see shit, only a few trains, and when i was in orlando i only saw two highway bombs and a few tags. it surprised me because i thought the usa would be killed ten times more that canada.

[LongQuan]

woah! you sound like a professor![/QUOTE]
I dunno wether that's an insult or a compliment - depends on your opinions about professors, i guess...

I write alot so I try to the best of my ability I guess.

on the topic:

I reccomend any german/danish based graff sites - top notch.

Peace!
:ph34r:

[pSYKAOz]

what glue said...

i mean montreal is killed ahha... thres very few 'clean' hoods here... and even in the most rich ones u got a half dozen writers putting up some tags here n there...

concidering our population that pretty surprisind... we are what like 3 million in mtl?

hum i went to france, but that was before i was writing and ya didnt see much... most places in the usa ive been to didnt have mmuch either...

like some in the really industrial areas but not much outta there... and not many rooftops or highway ups... and the gov mailboxes and streetposts are like all clean downtown and stuff haah... virgin territory!

what i heard from europe is its more a quick piecing deal. and mainly subways and trains... mtl subways do get hit but night runs are rare and very high risk.
our buses are pretty much killed though... scratchies have become the most popular thing lately hehe... its hard to find a nice slick place todo a scratchie in a bus now lol... some etch as well

as for piecing montreal has its share of decent writers and a few with worldwide fame. we got some guys with killer styles but overall i think montreal is more bomb oriented (specially throwies and scratchies) then piecing... not that we dont do ne piecing just compared to some euro countries and and some usa states we arent as axed on that...

theres a few legal walls and a bunch of commisionned ones as well as many slick places to piece...

but the main killer is our winter... duno bout u but i jsut CANT piece when its -20C and up... even bombing becomes a serious challenge when it hits -40C

like catching a tag freezes off your finger haha...

but winter no winter mtl heads still get up! word! hehe

i dunno how destroyed the city would be if we had LA weather... one can dream =~__^=

[the infamous one]

i live in london u.k and to be honest 99% of the graffiti here sucks, most people here dont have any real skill and just do shitty tags everywhere, there are a few london writers with alot of skill such as astek,insa,keen,kist and a few others but its mostly just shitty handstyles, and its pretty weird as well, you have a guy who writes tox, hes REALLY all city, everywhere you go you see his shitty block letters, and people i know say that hes better than astek just because he's up more and if u dont get what i mean, just compare block letters to this www.astekz.com

[BullshitTantrum]

Originally posted by glue+Oct 21 2004, 06:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (glue @ Oct 21 2004, 06:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-dcite@Oct 20 2004, 09:22 PM
well there are a bunch of people from other countries and continents on this forum, and from this forum i learned that graffiti is big in canada. i would still have agreed with that 'popular misconception' if i wasnt a frequent on bombing science.

nice thread
i live in toronto and ive been to the usa a few times when i went to chicago i didnt see shit, only a few trains, and when i was in orlando i only saw two highway bombs and a few tags. it surprised me because i thought the usa would be killed ten times more that canada. [/b][/quote]
come to NY. on another note someone said that the writers in the us focus on getting ups rather than having nice peices but everything gets buffed so easily you have to put your name up everywhere all the time or people won't see it. it also depends on the area. yolu might catch a few here or there but unless the place has been bombed out it'll get buffed quick. canada looks sick though, hopefully I can go up to qubec before the years over and visit some other places.

[dcite]

Originally posted by BullshitTantrum+Oct 21 2004, 07:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (BullshitTantrum @ Oct 21 2004, 07:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by glue@Oct 21 2004, 06:30 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-dcite@Oct 20 2004, 09:22 PM
well there are a bunch of people from other countries and continents on this forum, and from this forum i learned that graffiti is big in canada. i would still have agreed with that 'popular misconception' if i wasnt a frequent on bombing science.

nice thread
i live in toronto and ive been to the usa a few times when i went to chicago i didnt see shit, only a few trains, and when i was in orlando i only saw two highway bombs and a few tags. it surprised me because i thought the usa would be killed ten times more that canada.
come to NY. on another note someone said that the writers in the us focus on getting ups rather than having nice peices but everything gets buffed so easily you have to put your name up everywhere all the time or people won't see it. it also depends on the area. yolu might catch a few here or there but unless the place has been bombed out it'll get buffed quick. canada looks sick though, hopefully I can go up to qubec before the years over and visit some other places. [/b][/quote]
yeah as a result of BS i totally want to go to canada, just to see what its like. ive never even seen a graffiti store here, i want to visit one in canada

[yuki]

I just got back from Italy and Greece a few months ago. I didn't know where any legals were, so I may not have been in the right place for intricate pieces, and as a result I didn't see a lot of detailed pieces. I did notice that bombs, tags, and throwies are virtually everywhere. They go up and stay up. I didn't see very many buff marks or pieces that were painted over by the government. It's like the law is way more layed back over there. People just kind of mind thier own business, and they really don't let it bother them.

[BullshitTantrum]

I just think its really fucked up that someone can rob your house and steal everything in it and they'll never get caught but they'll strike down with the quickness for drawing on a old shitty building and making it look alot better than some decaying peice of urban rot.

[the infamous one]

yeh its so fuckin stupid, recently some guy over here who writes case got 2 years for painting trains....2 fuckin years :o not even armed robbers and peadophiles get that much time.

[sika_2002]

Originally posted by the infamous one@Oct 21 2004, 02:30 PM
i live in london u.k and to be honest 99% of the graffiti here sucks, most people here dont have any real skill and just do shitty tags everywhere, there are a few london writers with alot of skill such as astek,insa,keen,kist and a few others but its mostly just shitty handstyles, and its pretty weird as well, you have a guy who writes tox, hes REALLY all city,
dude ur completely fucking rite, tox is on most underground trains and is the most wanted london writer. the tag styles mostly suck, every so often ull get a writer that does a decent peice but then never writes again.

[sika_2002]

this is the most "up" writers in my area,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/sika_2002/graffwebsite013.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/sika_2002/graffwebsite002.jpg

[the infamous one]

lol its a bitch, theres only a handful of good writers in london and there over looked, half these shitty toys dont even know what skill is, its like "yeh dude i tag busses and trains......im soooooo gangsta" <_< how about they take some time to learn how to peice and stuff instead of doing shitty scribbles.

[the infamous one]

Originally posted by sika_2002@Oct 22 2004, 05:25 AM
this is the most "up" writers in my area,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/sika_2002/graffwebsite013.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/sika_2002/graffwebsite002.jpg
yeh ive seen that dude dets up,.....but why oh why would i wanna see that shit up, a perfectly nice wall and he does some shit thing, with the same amount of paint he had u could pull of a real nice peice (maybe lol)

[sika_2002]

you get me dets is everywhere but he's....to be honest.....shit. i mean its flat lettering, it doesnt even have a proper outline. i got some respect for ATG cus he hits some mad spots and has a lot more skill than other writers

[the infamous one]

he isnt the best but ive seen some of the spots he's hit, and it takes balls, sika who do you reckon is the best in london?

[sika_2002]

true, he aint the best but i duno if u seen his piece outside finchely train station. right infront of a camera. i duno about the best in london, tox is up but aint newhere near good, dets is ugly. id have to give it to astek for skill and for balls, ATG

[the infamous one]

yeh astek is ill, i like keen alot as well hes got some mad wildstyles, like 99% of writers dont even know who keen is, i got some pics where he did 7 and a half whole cars in the U train yard, sika have u heard of aces?? he mostly paints steel and hes in c.l.s

[sika_2002]

fuk, that alot. wot train yard was that. iv never heard of aces. where abouts is he.

[the infamous one]

it was the U train yard, dunno where it is though, aces is everywhere really but mostly in south london, he isnt the best writer but i like his stuff lol dunno why, go on www.graphotism.com and go to the gallery, theres a piece there from him

[sika_2002]

kool, wots c.l.s stand for

[the infamous one]

city limits, caught london sleeping, city life stinks, there quite a famous crew in london, wish i was in it lol

[sika_2002]

lol, i thake it uv heard of 1T cru then

[the infamous one]

yeh, theres alot of dudes in that crew innit

[sika_2002]

hell yeah, i think theres gore, fuk, and loads of others

[zicon]

oh man i want to go to eruope and check out some of their graff. i want ot amsterdam. i have seen some sweet pieces in france. from my friend.

the infamous one- i have seen keen. i am not sure where i saw it but i have seen a piece. it was for a split second.

[sika_2002]

man i got so much school work, ill be back on later and post some more flix,

[the infamous one]

yeh i would love to go around eurpope lookin at all the graffiti that would be a dream, i really wanna go germany and check out the stick up kids stuff and kacao77 hes fuckin ill

[LongQuan]

I agree with Sika and the Infamous one London is overrun with bad hand styles but you can occasionally run into some good proddys or pieces. I prefer Brighton for all out styles BUT fings are different up ere in the North. Slobs kills where I live with proper Euro Style - Top 2 bottoms, Whole Cars, you name it.
A question for the BS'ers in the rest of the world:

Where do you reckon the best graff is (try not to let National Pride get in the way of a good decision)?

For me it's got to be Paris.

[the infamous one]

well from what ive seen id probably say germany or canada

[sika_2002]

id say canada or paris

[sika_2002]

i sed id bring more flix, so here
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/sika_2002/graffwebsite006.jpg
\/ \/ a sticker \/ \/
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/sika_2002/graffwebsite008.jpg

\/ my stencil \/
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/sika_2002/graffwebsite009.jpg

[pSYKAOz]

whats wrong with those 2 bombs u posted?

i mean damn thats street bombing, dot expect some1 to spend 2 hrs doing a piece on an illegal wall next to the street... hey us the dude whos pretty much the most up is sake... and he very very rarelly rocks pieces... throwies... hes got thousands of em peppering montreal. thats what bombings about: getting up.

i duno to each their own, but i like i fresh bomb quick and ghetto, i like mad drippy marker tags and i like fresh wildstyle, burners and pieces.

theres some good and innovative writers in london like banksy for instance. just with cameras all over london i guess theres a lil less graff duno...

[pSYKAOz]

best graff?

brazil and usa.

canada would be up there if we had more population. i mean with 300 million (usa) u have alot more 'potential' for ill writers then us in canada (bout 30 million)

and south america, well not jsute brazil, peru also, have some insane artistic shiz... duno i like the flavor hehe... europe has alot of dope stuff also... i mean i duno if ican name a best but if i HAD to then it would be the usa since they have ppl doing all the styles from around the world plus they have their own styles also.

[sika_2002]

the dets bomb, thats in a biggest chill place, theres no cctv and its in a massive dead end road where nobody ever goes,

[the infamous one]

yeh i get what your sayin about bombing psy,but where i live the peices suck big time, and theres no real eye candy, i dunno though its probably just me but im not really into bombing and throwies, i mostly like peices so its kind of a bitch not being able to see anything good, (until i paint of course lol) B) so hopefully ill get good enough and then we'll see some real sexyness in london lol

[sika_2002]

lol, infamous, im waiting for the new set of london toys to get up, hopefully then we'll start seeing some serious shit

[the infamous one]

yeh man i lookin forward to capping those little shits muahahahahahahahaha.......with pussy pink belton no less lol

[sika_2002]

haha, just line the fuckers

[joust]

germany has legal walls pretty much wherever theirs intrest. its amazing. People spend days on one peice and their all amazing. USA is wack. we got nutron bombs that are 20x thoes of the H-bomb exploded over Bacini island. That shits still covered in radiation.

[the infamous one]

u know the astek piece on the legal wall in ladbroke grove?.........a couple of toys done some shitty tags over it, they need there balls cut off, that peice is sooo sexy and they done some block letters over it...cunts.

[**MATEO**]

i like dalek hes the shiznit

[DNA]

i was born in sydney australia so i visit alot. lots and lots of tags.

[Lester Berns]

man who is this kid, and whats with this fucking bullshit??? this shit is corny as hell! If i was a moderator, I 'd wipe 75% of you dumb fucking kids out of here instantly. Finding some good quality graffiti to look at here is like findingt a needle in a haystack... Huge amounts of bullshit to sift through and some of you should be embarrassed as hell with yourselves... I mean, am I the only one that sees it like this??? damn...

[Avos]

Originally posted by Lester Berns@Nov 26 2004, 10:58 PM
man who is this kid, and whats with this fucking bullshit??? this shit is corny as hell! If i was a moderator, I 'd wipe 75% of you dumb fucking kids out of here instantly. Finding some good quality graffiti to look at here is like findingt a needle in a haystack... Huge amounts of bullshit to sift through and some of you should be embarrassed as hell with yourselves... I mean, am I the only one that sees it like this??? damn...
its sad isnt it

[vegimite on toast]

People don't think that graffiti is only based in North America. You are a fucking idiot and if you come from the U.S.A the go jump of a ledge you ignorant fuck. Yes don't point it out i am a rasict person i hate People from the U.S.A.

[CaSoNe]

thanks for that

[sika_2002]

haha, i think graffiti is everywhere, everybody or place has its own style,

[infer one]

love the sig avos... when i went to new york i saw massive amounts of graff, and i went to canada a couple of times and saw 5 pieces on a legal wall... fucking awsome...

[sika_2002]

im going new york in easter so im hoping to see some nice pieces

["awesome"ONE]

When i went to Europe, I took this really fast train that took me through alot of countryside and a few major cities, the walls around the tracks were totally covered with exceptionally well done pieces. in some way it does look like it's legal becuase alot of it doesn't look rushed at all and it's extremely elaborate. I heard somewhere once though that graffiti was'nt illegal there, i don't know if I believe all that or not, but I do believe it's probably a lighter penalty. I'm realy not sure though.

[sika_2002]

places like germany have fuck loads of legal walls, in london the entire train line walls are covered in graff, it does seem almost legal. its the same in places like france,

["awesome"ONE]

Yeah, that's true, Germany does have a ton of legal walls there. I've seen in websites and things in germany there are legal walls on the side of streets and in parks and stuff. It's really awesome.

[sika_2002]

yeh, pretty much every town has a legal wall, wots cool is that they have such little illegal graff

["awesome"ONE]

It's true, putting up much more legal walls definatly decreases a large amount of illegal graffiti. It also helps people look at it more as an art than as vandalism.

[sika_2002]

yeh, but the government in the uk arent clever enough to realise that yet, wankers

["awesome"ONE]

heh, yeah it seems like that where I live too.

[Kayone707]

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[Hpnotiq]

nope!

[enzyme]

Originally posted by sika_2002@Dec 28 2004, 03:41 PM
places like germany have fuck loads of legal walls, in london the entire train line walls are covered in graff, it does seem almost legal. its the same in places like france,
In France graffiti is legal only in some places, most places it's illegal, but i guess u'll find more places to graff in Paris than in London.

I've been in London a few times, it's crazy the way they have CCTVs along the streets, but as long as u have a hood on i guess it's aiight..I've hit a few train line walls there, done a few street sessions but thats it.

Never been in Germany, wont mind goin there and Belgium too. And I'll be headin to Amsterdam this summer for legal smokin of WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED and graff, so yea thats it for me.

U.S is my next goal, won't mind doin a few pieces there and it'll be tight to be graffing in the States for a change from Europe.

[sika_2002]

yeh, the amount of cameras are mad. im heading thru germany this summer so i hopefully want to find some legal walls to paint

[DOUK or DIE]

i bombed a airport bathroom in Vancouver on my way to whistler and thats about the extent of my international graffiti expirience


lol

[OAT1..RATIO!]

Very nice thread. Unfortunately I haven't been over seas but judging from books, magazines and the web, the European graff' scene is amazing. I think the work in Europe is far better than a lot of work coming out of the U.S. The artist there seem to be a lot more original and unique. I've seen a lot of nice work from South America, Japan and other countries as well.



It is amazing to see how much more work is being put up in other places besides the U.S.



I live in Phoenix, AZ and it's pretty much tags, tags and more tags. I do believe the scene in AZ is growing though. There's good work coming from TAFK and loads of work coming from PFG, it seems PFG is more about quantity and TAFK goes for Quality. And lately there has been pieces popping up now and then. And since Phoenix is getting a new "Light Rail" system I think that'll be a big impact for Arizona's graffiti.



I'm going to NY soon and I plan to take as many pics as possible. Once again, nice thread..

[x{parkour}x]

european graff is dope, its seems easier to do graff in europe than in north america

[DRONE_905]

ive been to mexico but like all the stuff there was shiiit except this guy that wrote SHIR

[Abeone]

deos anybody know of a shop in athens? or anywhere else in greece?

[rise_&_fight]

european graff is dope, its seems easier to do graff in europe than in north america
actually tbh its the opposite, europe is in my opinion harder to paint. a lot more cctv, most countries have specialised graff squads, pretty much all the metro and train systems have strong anti terrorist security and graff is treated as a proper crime with custodial sentences. There are plenty of stories of writers throughout the EU getting 2 years plus for writing as a standard sentence.
the main factor for the scale of graff being done in europe is due to its very high population density unlike america.

[CorrereLaCitta]

For Australian Graffiti

http://www.ozhiphop.com/forum

Or

http://ozhiphop.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=4

Takes you straight to the graffiti threads

[ESKiMO2]

i think france and spain have really good graffiti. i didn't know people thought it was exclusive to the united states...

[Xyk]

i'm from singapore, and every single fuckin wall here is nice adn clean. no graff anywhere really, except maybe some back alleys.

the way the city is thoh, makes it really hard to graff. if you google singapore, youll see how evry part of the country is lighted up all night long, every street, every apartment block, everywhere. beinga blwe to do a whole piece without being caught is really hard.

i remember a couple years ago, some guys did a couple huge pieces under some bridge along the expressway, it got featured in the paper the next day adn washed over by noon.