The UK Thread

[shyone]

you cant basically. you can get the ''by air mail'' stickers for free..or the special delevary.. but both are shit.
just rack them

[sika_2002]

yeh those are shit, iv jacked loads and the places are kinda rinsed of them

[nukone]

Originally posted by sika_2002@May 30 2005, 11:33 AM
craigome, somehow i dont think that worked. yo nuk, hows the passaround book doin
its goin good
i might be a wee while longer with it though coz am getting more than one peron to do sommat in it....

[nukone]

Originally posted by EZY@May 30 2005, 10:54 AM
Runci, Nukone you 2 entering the battle boys, if so PM me your entry
will do
and craigome

http://img141.echo.cx/img141/6299/converse8ki.jpg

[sika_2002]

no problem nuk. man i feel like pure shit

[craigome]

Originally posted by nukone+May 30 2005, 04:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nukone @ May 30 2005, 04:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-EZY@May 30 2005, 10:54 AM
Runci, Nukone you 2 entering the battle boys, if so PM me your entry
will do
and craigome

http://img141.echo.cx/img141/6299/converse8ki.jpg [/b][/quote]
there they are they bad boys

[the infamous one]

morning everyone, im bored fuckless :(

[sika_2002]

join the club

[vegimite on toast]

No offence to sika 2002 i don&#39;t mind him now, but i would have to vote him as having the most annoying signature of ALL time.

[craigome]

thats a good point i don&#39;t think people should have huge pictures as their signitures it just takes up loads of space and sometimes the popel without huge signitures get missed. and im bored

[sika_2002]

oh shit, i didnt even no i had a sig. i switched sig viewing off. sorry. why didnt u like me in the first place

[Cherubic Meekus]

morning morning...my weeks been humdrum and now im laying down.

[craigome]

:P what i never said i didn&#39;t like u
i just didn&#39;t like ur sig :)

[craigome]

speaking of huge sigs meekus u can aford to shorten urs down a bit

[sika_2002]

not u craig, vegimite

[Cherubic Meekus]

speaking of huge sigs meekus u can aford to shorten urs down a bit

better? :rolleyes:

[craigome]

much :P

[sika_2002]

holy fuck, my friends actually joined the sponge bod fan club, he did it for a joke but still,

[shyone]

its bob...B-O-B.. i think...meh <_<

[Cherubic Meekus]

^^^ come on, we all know its bob.......that little yellow sponge (or &#39;&#39;that piece of cheese&#39;&#39; as my slightly doltish aquaintance mused) is a phenomonem....

[evo]

when the fuck will the UK Book get to me..i&#39;m getting real bored waiting for it motherfuckers :P

[runci]

who lives in a pineapple under the seaaa.....
sponge bob square paaaaaants&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; AKA RUNCI

[sika_2002]

uuh, whos before u evo

[i eat pringles]

http://www.copperlily.com/AboutRayWinstone/Images/scum4.jpg
has anyone here ever seen Scum?

[toxus]

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[toxus]

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[shyone]

i&#39;ll send u a hack.

[shyone]

go online..if you read this..

[toxus]

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[shyone]

nice new sig meek:
&#39;&#39;The Gospal according to Meekus&#39;&#39;
by Cherubic Meekus

If police question you: -
1) Act indignant
2) Claim that you &#39;&#39;know your rights&#39;&#39;
3) Question there motives ...e.g. &#39;&#39;racial discrimination&#39;&#39;
4) Incite police brutality without physically abusing the officer.

With Monstercolors: -
1) When using fat caps, don&#39;t shake the can and press gently so the paint spits causing a &#39;&#39;subdued mist&#39;&#39; effect.
2) Don&#39;t spray any further than 1.3 inches from the wall.

In combat: -
If involved in a dispute over tagging spots with rival &#39;&#39;gangs&#39;&#39;, conceal a Troglodyte 4.1 blade in your hat, and punctiliously remove your hat making sure the blade isn&#39;t pointing south...than strike the bicep of the most prominent opposing member.

Either that, or make sure you have a sawn off shotgun on hand.
I find using my fists preferable.

- Never reveal your pseudonym.
- Be conspicuous (like a shady cunt)
- Never leave traces of anything that may indicate your presence
- Wear black... (But add an army green hat to your attire so you don’t stand out)

[i eat pringles]

^^^^^ thanks :)

[runci]

toxus: all u gotta do is put in all 1&#39;s as a serial number...
jus like 111 1111 11111 111 or woteva..
jus all 1s n itll work

[nukone]

Originally posted by sika_2002@May 31 2005, 01:33 PM
uuh, whos before u evo
me
and i wont send it till next week sorry
gettin elph to do sommat

[craigome]

Originally posted by toxus@May 31 2005, 02:04 PM
im chuffed, look at what my dads mate copied me
http://usera.imagecave.com/toxusgraffiti/hotshop-copy.jpg
i d/led that ealier :lol: u can just d/l a keygen from limewire or something

[Cherubic Meekus]

nite nite bombingscience
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[LongQuan]

morning.

[Cherubic Meekus]

morning...
can&#39;t believe im up at 9:20am

[craigome]

helllooo all

[craigome]

meekus ur sig its just huge again - get rid of the picture

[Cherubic Meekus]

^^^^^nuh....just turn off your sig viewing.

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by Cherubic Meekus@Jun 1 2005, 05:26 AM
^^^^^nuh....just turn off your sig viewing.
What is that pic of anyways?

Looks wierd...

[Cherubic Meekus]

^^^^^ thats the shelter i currently inhabit , that i told everyone about the other day.
now, tell me what u think of my drawing.
http://img49.echo.cx/img49/5271/image2732it.jpg


p.s go to www.woostercollective.com and see your truly.....

Congratulations to our friend D*Face in London who recently joined an esteemed group of artists asked by Penguin Books to create covers for their 70th Anniversary commemorative series. D-faced work graces the cover for Sue Townsend&#39;s &#39;Queen In Hell&#39;s Close&#39;. You can learn more about the series here.

(Thanks, Cherubic Meekus&#33;)

[sika_2002]

no problem nuk, wen u ur done post a page of ur section,

[Cherubic Meekus]

feedback on my drawing please....

[unek]

jus thought i&#39;d post some ramdon flicks from my area most are my taken by me or mates sum are off a cardiff fotolog tho.........

all these are done by airforce 2

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/3341/aforcebluenred0wp.jpg

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/1219/allpink2op.jpg

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/7079/haileysflurooutline8pi.jpg

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/1865/orangefridgeclosed7lh.jpg

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/8200/bristolmarch0521hz.jpg

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/4948/lookingupcloser0rh.jpg

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/258/fridgelovecat1ul.jpg

http://img207.echo.cx/img207/7154/haileysmarch050mn.jpg




i go sum more but im just about to leave college.

[sika_2002]

those are pretty fresh, kinda eurostylish. and nice meek, i like the penguin aswell

[craigome]

Originally posted by Cherubic Meekus@Jun 1 2005, 08:57 AM
feedback on my drawing please....
well at least its not a fucking dick&#33;&#33;&#33;

[i eat pringles]

^^^^^^^ lol

[sika_2002]

haha, that was funny

[i eat pringles]

&#39;&#39; i&#39;m happy, hope your happy to....&#39;&#39;

[sika_2002]

im happy. been happier, but im happy none the less. sketches meek, i wana see more

[runci]

yaas goin paintballlin for ma bday.. got a gd deal...
u can buy smoke n paint grenades there so im gonna buy em n take em home... :D

n meekus is it meant to be a guy wiv a mask on...

[i eat pringles]

^^^^^^yeah it is..
and heres some more sketches sika.....at your request....
http://img19.echo.cx/img19/3020/image0937wg.jpg
http://img19.echo.cx/img19/9751/image1762kz.jpg

i&#39;ll post some more another day.

[shyone]

nice scetches...i like the way you dont colour them much..and congrats on being on wooster

[toxus]

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[nukone]

Originally posted by unek@Jun 1 2005, 10:03 AM
http://img207.echo.cx/img207/258/fridgelovecat1ul.jpg





oh my god thats weird
i keep my cans in a fridge :lol: :lol:

[shyone]

http://www.graphotism.com/galleryImages/inch2.jpg


its near enough to nuk...:D

[shyone]

eurostar has been hit? my arse..
http://www.graphotism.com/gallerydetail.as...rains&index=180 (http://www.graphotism.com/gallerydetail.asp?cat=UK+Trains&index=180)

[toxus]

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[shyone]

2 times a year? i doubt he would know, they would have that buffed instantly.

[toxus]

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[runci]

how old u gonna be...
23 till mines n ill be 14....

[shyone]

fat boy with ponytail

[runci]

ive got no votes in the battle :(

[sika_2002]

hly shit runci, ur only 13. ur guna be fucking king by the time your 18

[runci]

i thto u knew i was a young un

[sika_2002]

i thought u were 14 going on 15. ah well. keep sketching and progressin like u are an ull be damn good in a couple years time

[runci]

thaaanks man..
so toxus ur bday is the 20th...

anyone watchin big brother&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; :D i am

[sika_2002]

i hate that program, i hate it, i hate it, i hate it

[runci]

its all soo fake...
but i watched the last 1 n i thot it was amazin so im watchin it agen

[nukone]

i am addicted to big brother
and the scary thing is i dont k n o w w h y

[sika_2002]

because its crap

[EZY]

i fucken hate reality tv, ITS EVERYWHERE&#33; what happen to good old proper TV

[sika_2002]

e fuckin zactly


>exactly for those unclever ones<

[vegimite on toast]

Originally posted by sika_2002@May 31 2005, 10:19 PM
oh shit, i didnt even no i had a sig. i switched sig viewing off. sorry. why didnt u like me in the first place
Your signature, originally. :lol:

Thanks for removing it. It was an annoying little animal with a beret firing a gun. <_<

[runci]

goood morning everyone... :good morning runci:
i&#39;m wining :lol:
the battle was quite good n if i had voted it wooda had been for either ezy, or ader or nuk...

[shyone]

funfunfun.

[vegimite on toast]

Who&#39;s the little thing in your avatar shy?

[shyone]

i&#39;m changing it now...got abit boaring afta a while.

[vegimite on toast]

Yeah but who is it?

[shyone]

dropboe

[toxus]

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[toxus]

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[sika_2002]

uh, not a clue. 2days a good day, because i say so. and tox, did u find out how to make stencils

[craigome]

Originally posted by toxus@Jun 2 2005, 07:33 AM
on photoshop, what happens if you dont register in 30 days, cos i downloaded it and it says &#39;dont do something stupid like register on line&#39; so what do i do
it doesn&#39;t matter if you don&#39;t register. and the reasoln u don&#39;t register because they can find out if u&#39;ve just downloaded it :blink:

[Doctor_Vercetti]

seeing as its a shitty day, and i cant stop sketching, whos up for another battle????

PM me if your interested

cheers, should be good, as long as someone can beat runci <_<

[evo]

Originally posted by nukone+May 31 2005, 09:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nukone @ May 31 2005, 09:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sika_2002@May 31 2005, 01:33 PM
uuh, whos before u evo
me
and i wont send it till next week sorry
gettin elph to do sommat [/b][/quote]
how are you before me?
It was LongQuan who was before me, but if you sending to me now I&#39;ll pm you my address.

[Gomez]

Hello England,Scotland,Ireland and Wales.
Does anyone know where I can get some &#39;&#39;H-Batch Fat tip Re-fillable&#39;&#39; markers and TRUETOTHEGAME Issue.1????

[Cherubic Meekus]

^^^^^^ you can get that in the Monstercolor Store (http://www.monstercolors.com/store08.php)

nice sig by the by...is that Robert Crumb???

[Gomez]

yeah dude, taken from the cover of RAW Vol. 2, No. 3.

[sika_2002]

i duno evo. lets just keep the order. so itll go to :
long quan
you,
scarface
shy1

i think thats the list

[runci]

this book has been goin for ages.. i wanna see teh finished result...

[Cherubic Meekus]

yeah, shy in photocopying anyone a copy of the book in its completed format....
ive already placed my order.

[runci]

someone should scan the pages n post em here...
im happy jus lookin at em here..

[toxus]

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[shyone]

i am scanning them aswell...

1000TH POST&#33;&#33;&#33; PARTY&#33;&#33;&#33; or isnt it something to be proud of?&#33;
http://www.what-ever.co.uk/b3ta/animal/munt.jpg
http://www.eyeranian.net/1000.gif
http://members.shaw.ca/philip.prefontaine/images/counter.gif
http://www.vulcantech.co.uk/~davidp/Frontinus/Graphics/mulprize2.gif


http://www.awesomebackgrounds.com/templates/as-fireworks-anim-01.GIFhttp://www.awesomebackgrounds.com/templates/as-fireworks-anim-01.GIF
http://www.awesomebackgrounds.com/templates/as-fireworks-anim-01.GIFhttp://www.awesomebackgrounds.com/templates/as-fireworks-anim-01.GIF
http://www.awesomebackgrounds.com/templates/as-fireworks-anim-01.GIFhttp://www.awesomebackgrounds.com/templates/as-fireworks-anim-01.GIF

[runci]

or u cood buy a box of 3 for a quid...

[toxus]

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[runci]

im gettin some paint n smoke grenades for the last day of term...

[toxus]

and 8 more posts left for the big 600 posts :P

[runci]

only 83 more posts for the big 1000 n gess wot i hav posted the most in the uk thread...
:D
its a fact

[shyone]

uk thread...born & bread.
wow, i&#39;m a poet and i dont know it&#33;

[Cherubic Meekus]

I&#39;ve got 23 posts till the big 2-0-0-0

[toxus]

^??????^

[toxus]

what the hell meekus did you edit that cos on my screen it came up with
rtyvf

[toxus]

5 posts left

[toxus]

4 posts left

^cheating postwhore^

LOL

[runci]

can we please not all start posting shitty coments..
i thot the uk thread was our own little place not like bs...

[shyone]

sorry..i started all this...anyone have any action shots?

[runci]

i love action shots... bbut unfotunately ive got none myself..

[shyone]

i got a few from last summer..but i really cant b bothered...i&#39;ll just jack some off the net insted.

[shyone]

http://www.stradanove.net/news/images/graffiti/z2/Traze-in-Action-Munich.jpg

[Cherubic Meekus]

Look lively, Uk residents......Look lively

[runci]

where are ye all... not very chatty 2nite uk boys n gals...

[Cherubic Meekus]

According to my resource (www.empireonline.co.uk) Dracula vs. Hitler is in production stages.

&#39;&#39;A truly bizarre project is currently in the works and awaiting a production greenlight. In the unlikeliest of crossovers, the lord of the undead will lock fangs with the leader of the Third Reich in Dracula vs Hitler.

According to Dark Horizons, the script, Penned by Ed Wood scribe Rudolph Grey, will find Adolf in the final days before the fall of Berlin to Allied forces. The seemingly doomed Fuhrer discovers a way out by calling forth the power of Satan and all his dark minions. Just in case this wasn’t weird enough, enter Count Dracula who, unwilling to bow before Hitler’s satanic might, sets out to thwart the Fuhrer’s plans. Marvel and DC comic writer Larry Hama is also onboard.

Not surprisingly, no stars are connected to the project as yet. &#39;&#39;

[craigome]

i&#39;ve got shagging corsework to do im been doing it all day and written about a page. it might be easier if i just signed out of msn

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by sika_2002@Jun 1 2005, 03:08 PM
hly shit runci, ur only 13. ur guna be fucking king by the time your 18
He&#39;s gonna be a british version of "seen" ibut don&#39;t jynx it Dez said that about trap and he stopped doin graff like a month later.

Runci where you at in the u.k?

[scarface]

runci a king hahah maybe my underscore haha not been here for yonks whats happnin

[scarface]

an wtf is up with u all bein major post whores especially runci

[i eat pringles]

runci&#39;s got a nice style......
but dez 1 deserves the future king status in this thread......judging by his graffiti ability anyway.

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by scarface@Jun 2 2005, 03:42 PM
runci a king hahah maybe my underscore haha not been here for yonks whats happnin random victim has given up graff 4 ever
YAY i can replace him&#33;&#33;&#33;
As soon as get some sketches up

Oh yea they repainted a wall near my house so im gonna do a piece on it
Something 3d with red,orange and yellow around it so it looks like fire and maybe a character but i have to get it up before the bloody limes farm kru cover it in chavvy marker scrawls or hairspray their gangsign on it.

That Monster colour site is really good. I don&#39;t know how i didn&#39;t find that

Oh yeah something really embarassing happened yesterday we were planning to tag the side of a bridge so it came up that i would be on lookout and my other friend would be helping the guy not to fall.I made a big ruckus of it and said i wanted to do the tag (since they were toys).After a big discussion I won and I had to tag it so ran up and leant over the side i sprayed a dot got a bit too excited and dropped the can into the river below (I love that song). Now they won&#39;t talk to me...lol it&#39;s kinda funny looking back.

[joker00]

hahaahahah^ that sux sooo bad did u buy thre can or rack it?

[evo]

well that was stupid :P

I&#39;m sure runci is posting at least 100 posts a week now-a-days.. :P

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by joker00@Jun 2 2005, 04:03 PM
hahaahahah^ that sux sooo bad did u buy thre can or rack it?
Not sure i think it was racked which isn&#39;t so bad
but it still ruined my rep :(

[evo]

as it would, what type of can was it?

[scarface]

LAVA u cannot replace random for many many reasons 1.UR A FAGGOT 2. U FUCKING SMELL 3,YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SKILL 4.ANY SKILLS U MAY HAVE ARE WANK 5.RANDOM ACYUALLY GOT UP AN DID SHIT U JUS ON HERE ALL THE TIME BIATCH............................................ ...........

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by evo@Jun 2 2005, 04:17 PM
as it would, what type of can was it?
Unfortunately i think it was rust-oleum or belton
which are hard to come by in the u.k as you know.
The more i think about this the worse it makes me feel. Now some chav is gonna find that can and go around writing shit...somewhere in england i&#39;ve created a toy...

Lol i bought this gold paint for 89p from a discount shop I tagged with it on a garage in barkingside (popular toy spot).I came back and my tag had come of the wall it was literally 3d it was all in bits floating down the street.

It would cool if someone pieced in that alley (I said Pieced&#33;) cos all the ppl do in there is shit tags really big and call it a piece so we crossed em all out.

Now that i feel all crappy bout that bridge thing you guys tell me some U.K graff stories (not that embarassing though <_< ).

Jesus scarface calm down it was only a joke

[Doctor_Vercetti]

lava, please stop this shit.
ok, your a major toy but theres no need to share it with us.
your little story is plain embarassing tbh

and runci needs to get out on the streets and fucking bomb hard.
hes 13 for fucks sake, the cops aint got shit on him
get out and fuck up the city mate u will never regret it

[sika_2002]

whers dez, we need more of his stuff

[LavakingX]

You get arrested at 13 but i doubt any cop is gonna take graff seriously these days he&#39;ll just get a confiscation of whatever he&#39;s holding.

You can arrested as soon as your ten but no cop is that out of order.

[Doctor_Vercetti]

exactly
which is why he should make the most of his skills and young age
bomb shit hard until he gets caught
its like any young writers dream
im sorta on the so called &#39;wanted list&#39; in my town now, ive bin doing a lot more than i used to, and ive heard from Slots (recently got busted) that he was shown pics in court and asked to identify other writers, and one of my throws i did on lendal bridge was there, which i was quite chuffed about, and it gets u goin more, so if runci is taking shit seriously, which he should, it would be sweet if he could go out and destroy his city whjile hes got no other worrys
shit, im babbling, but fuck, We hit Everything motherfuckers

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by Doctor_Vercetti@Jun 2 2005, 04:53 PM
exactly
which is why he should make the most of his skills and young age
bomb shit hard until he gets caught
its like any young writers dream
im sorta on the so called &#39;wanted list&#39; in my town now, ive bin doing a lot more than i used to, and ive heard from Slots (recently got busted) that he was shown pics in court and asked to identify other writers, and one of my throws i did on lendal bridge was there, which i was quite chuffed about, and it gets u goin more, so if runci is taking shit seriously, which he should, it would be sweet if he could go out and destroy his city whjile hes got no other worrys
shit, im babbling, but fuck, We hit Everything motherfuckers
Are you still mad at me?

Yeah I see what you mean now like get as much practice in before he can properly get prosecuted.Also if he gets up now he&#39;ll still be goin in years and ppl will be all like "Hey that guys been around forever" Or he might sell out and start doin canvases.
It could go either way... :blink:

[Doctor_Vercetti]

what?
im not mad at you
i just think if your so god damn toy theres really no need to broadcast it with your pathetic made up little stories about look outs and deciding whos gona do a tag on a bridge OMG <_<
seriously, u dont look cool and u do urself no favours

:)

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by Doctor_Vercetti@Jun 2 2005, 05:05 PM
what?
im not mad at you
i just think if your so god damn toy theres really no need to broadcast it with your pathetic made up little stories about look outs and deciding whos gona do a tag on a bridge OMG <_<
seriously, u dont look cool and u do urself no favours

:)
Ok thanks for the tip...I guess

We cool now?

I hate havin ppl not like me on the internet

I might get some sketches up soon if i get my scanner to work.

Toy question:
What is wheatpaste? **edit:I know what it is now
What are Rollers? (I have a feeling bout what they are but i just want to be sure :) )

[evo]

that is a quite for my sig..first one but that is amazing..

wheatpaste is the sort of stuff you use to put posters up and a roller is when you use a paint roller to do, rollers, usualy ontop of a tall building etc...

anyways, this is something i just made..i was bored.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v178/radioactivity/ibomb.jpg

[Doctor_Vercetti]

u get a paint roller
u get some paint
u get the paint on ur roller
and u roll that shit up on a wall, to make some graffiti

i dont think i could get it much simpler than that

[LavakingX]

^^^^^
That&#39;s what i thought
but woudln&#39;t you need more than one roller,water,and buckets of paint?
Who&#39;s gonna carry that? Ah i&#39;ll proably never do a roller anyway.

Ok im gonna watch style wars now.

[evo]

water, why the fuck would you need water?
why would you need more then one roller?

maybe 2 big buckets of paint, a roller and a few extension sticks.

[LavakingX]

Evo i see I&#39;m in your sig dammit.... <_<

oh well all is fair in bombingscience

but uhh could you take it out if it&#39;s not to much trouble... :(

What happened the i-bomb thing?

I thought you would need water to wash the roller.

[runci]

orite... i see i bring up discussions when im not even there...
an whoever sed taht I should be bombing hard...
I will in like 3 weeks when school is over..
an by that time I shoulda worked on my throws....

ooh n i do tag n have done a coupla bombs but oly daytimes...

[i eat pringles]

hes 13 for fucks sake, the cops aint got shit on him
get out and fuck up the city mate u will never regret it

yeah, but that doesn&#39;t give him an extenuation against the conviction....he can still be charged.

[LavakingX]

^^^^
Yeah but that&#39;s the law what vercetti is tryin to say is that even cop&#39;s have common sense and wouldn&#39;t try to put away a kid as young as 13.Apart from if it&#39;s some cop who has a grudge against graff.

Trust me if it went to court it would never go through
You got people getting stabbed ,getting shot, doin drugs ,rapists ,serial killers
then you have a teenager writing his name on a wall.
The cops have better stuff to do
Anyway if runci&#39;s really good he won&#39;t get caught :ph34r:

[shyone]

South West trains crackdown on graffiti (http://www.e-motionmagazine.co.uk/SWTEmotion/NewsFeatures/The+writings+on+the+wall.htm)
i didnt know they took fingerprints and paint samples :( (south west trians is my area) :ph34r:

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by shyone@Jun 3 2005, 05:13 AM
South West trains crackdown on graffiti (http://www.e-motionmagazine.co.uk/SWTEmotion/NewsFeatures/The+writings+on+the+wall.htm)
i didnt know they took fingerprints and paint samples :( (south west trians is my area) :ph34r:
Nobody writes on the actual trains in london cos of the way they are built and how proteced the yard is.Yet ppl do the insides and there is alot of shit "Scratchiti".

Is that your can of montana ;) ?

[Doctor_Vercetti]

no
its cause hes 13 that they wont care
im guessing he hasnt had any previous convictions
so hes young, and never been to court before, they wont be too harsh on him
first offence, i doubt theyd do anything, and if he gets up a shit load before he gets caught twice then thats awesome.
anyway
its his own decision, id jus love to be in his shoes right now
:P

[Cherubic Meekus]

Yeah but that&#39;s the law what vercetti is tryin to say is that even cop&#39;s have common sense and wouldn&#39;t try to put away a kid as young as 13.

of course they would...dilinquents are there main targets, since there intimidating tactics have an effect of infantile children.


Trust me if it went to court it would never go through
You got people getting stabbed ,getting shot, doin drugs ,rapists ,serial killers
then you have a teenager writing his name on a wall.
The cops have better stuff to do

That is utter shit...the CID are pre-occupied with such charges as gross-neglegence, manslaughter etc. but the police who parole the rural areas would jump at the chance to catch someone vandalising the streets......especially since stringent rules about graffiti and how the law tackles the situation were enforced in the Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003:

Under the plans local authorities will be able to impose penalty notices of £200 for graffiti and fly-posting. Up to 4 charges associated with 1 individual will lead to an extended sentence of 2 years.

Also,Home Office Minister Hazel Blears said graffiti is an eye-sore which blights communities.

"It affects people&#39;s quality of life, increases fear of crime and reduces pride in a community. It also costs us all millions of pounds a year to clean-up - money which could be better spent on other valuable services."

Giving the government more of a reason to impose an unpermissive approach to graffiti.

[shyone]

i got chased by cops when i was 13...:( they do care, it doesnt really matter what age you are.

[Cherubic Meekus]

Yeah but that&#39;s the law what vercetti is tryin to say is that even cop&#39;s have common sense and wouldn&#39;t try to put away a kid as young as 13.

of course they would...dilinquents are there main targets, since there intimidating tactics have an effect of infantile children.


Trust me if it went to court it would never go through
You got people getting stabbed ,getting shot, doin drugs ,rapists ,serial killers
then you have a teenager writing his name on a wall.
The cops have better stuff to do

That is utter shit...the CID are pre-occupied with such charges as gross-neglegence, manslaughter etc. but the police who parole the rural areas would jump at the chance to catch someone vandalising the streets......especially since stringent rules about graffiti and how the law tackles the situation were enforced in the Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003:

Under the plans local authorities will be able to impose penalty notices of £200 for graffiti and fly-posting. Up to 4 charges associated with 1 individual will lead to an extended sentence of 2 years.

Also,Home Office Minister Hazel Blears said graffiti is an eye-sore which blights communities.

"It affects people&#39;s quality of life, increases fear of crime and reduces pride in a community. It also costs us all millions of pounds a year to clean-up - money which could be better spent on other valuable services."

Giving the government more of a reason to impose an unpermissive approach to graffiti.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
BUMP...

[LavakingX]

^^^I got pwned <_<


Well I&#39;ve got chased when i was 13 but for assualt not graff they would chase you for graff but they were i&#39;m at they would just keep it between you and the cop(s).
They&#39;ll probably be like "Ok let me not see you do this again".But this is were i&#39;m from were graff is not a problem and worse stuff happens.

[cry wolf]

meek that is in some ways true but in others a crock of shite, people care bout graff, they want to catch you, thats the hole point, but people who are dedicated to stopping the &#39;&#39;yobbish culture&#39;&#39; like blair and his bitches, when they go out of there way by taking money out of our education and nhs just to catch us out in random drug tests for smoking weed, oh well, they cost around £100 each test. they will smash you with the book when your young because if you think you can get away with that now, how long is it going to be before your nicking bastard cars and shop lifting to pay for your smak habbit

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by cry wolf@Jun 3 2005, 05:55 AM
meek that is in some ways true but in others a crock of shite, people care bout graff, they want to catch you, thats the hole point, but people who are dedicated to stopping the &#39;&#39;yobbish culture&#39;&#39; like blair and his bitches, when they go out of there way by taking money out of our education and nhs just to catch us out in random drug tests for smoking weed, oh well, they cost around £100 each test. they will smash you with the book when your young because if you think you can get away with that now, how long is it going to be before your nicking bastard cars and shop lifting to pay for your smak habbit
He pretty much laid it down.
Really £100?
Your right

[Cherubic Meekus]

Blair took money out of our education and nhs inorder to fund media output, not drug tests.There is no justification in your argument...It&#39;s all just incoherent ramble.
Also, drug test&#39;s cost £75.
Though, I do agree with how you interpret the governments attempts to make the runtlins conform...they place barriers on everything, so we evolve into repressed consevatives or tories,managing a morgage why pushing out kids eveytime the dominat male pumps his love beans up me......<<<<in my case anyway.

[LavakingX]

Can we chane the subject now? I think we get the point now...

So on a lighter note anyone got a new flix?

[Cherubic Meekus]

Can we chane the subject now? I think we get the point now...

were having a friendly debate....just because your not capable of making any intelligent observations or talking in a manner that a 7 year old has the capacity to do.

[cry wolf]

meek you use all of these detailed and random words i have never fucking heard of, but you lay it down like it is, which i admire. the police in england are generally a bunch of stuck up cunts trying to reduce the ammount of crime...(aint never going to happen as long as i can help), they will smack you in the face with the biggest baddest book they can fuck find, they will chance any body any age if they want to..then again 2 bent coppers snuk up behind me and a group of my friends and confiscated just over a once and a half of reef.. just says it all really and i read that the tests were £100 and they can pretty much tell you what baby food you ate as a child

[Cherubic Meekus]

^^^^ You make very relevant points.I admire your mentality and agree with &#39;&#39;the police in england are generally a bunch of stuck up cunts trying to reduce the ammount of crime...&#39;&#39;

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by Cherubic Meekus@Jun 3 2005, 06:11 AM


were having a friendly debate....just because your not capable of making any intelligent observations or talking in a manner that a 7 year old has the capacity to do.
Pwned again <_<

Ok Yea i can make observations but if anyone says anything more you&#39;ll just be repeatin the same shit that everyone else said.
Therefor turning the "Friendly Debate" into an argument I mean that last guy started usin words like "Crock of shit" about your input that&#39;s not a friendly debate&#33;
I think if some of the people who hate graff spent a day with graffiti artists they would understand it and how much it means to us.They done it in stlye wars and in te u.k with faking it, that oxford art student who spent a few weeks with graff artists his first conception was the same as the goverments "Mindless" after 2 days he said he considered graffiti "Certainly an art form". Yet of course graffiti wouldn&#39;t be the same if it was legal. I think ppl are misunderstading the subject i was saying that police wouldn&#39;t take a 13 year old AS SERIOUSLY as a 17,18 year old especially if it&#39;s first time and he/she co-op&#39;s.
The graffiti isn&#39;t illegal otherwise you could get done for blackbooks and stuff it&#39;s the fact it&#39;s done on someone elses property So yea it&#39;s vandalism but they wouldn&#39;t take as bad as other "Anti-social behaviour" like intimidation proper vandalism (Smashing windows etc.). Cop&#39;s aren&#39;t programmed yknow they have feelings towards things differently and some will be like don&#39;t do it again others will throw the book at you with full force. Either way they are still gonna do something about it. So whoever that guy was don&#39;t even say any of us said "They don&#39;t care about graff" cos of course it&#39;s vandalism vandalism&#39;s a crime they are cop&#39;s they get paid for it.

[Cherubic Meekus]

^^^^^That could be a possibility....
but the amount of crap seen on the streets counter balances what could be seen as the artistic aspects of the form.

[LavakingX]

^^^^Meekus off subject but are you from the U.K cos in your "we want you" thread you said something bout chicago?
Sorry if this has already been answered :unsure:

[Cherubic Meekus]

Meekus off subject but are you from the U.K cos in your "we want you" thread you said something bout chicago?


yeah, I live in Essex.
The store I&#39;m reffering to in that thread is destinated in Chicago....that isn&#39;t my store though.

[LavakingX]

KK thanks^^^
I live in Essex too in chigwell
Hey since you live in Essex you must of seen those DUK throw ups right?

[LavakingX]

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Is that "ooooh Love cats" from the song the lovecats by the cure?

[nukone]

JUST thought id say
the laws are diffferent because he lives in scotland
but since he lives in glasgow there is a bigger chance of gettin beaten up or stabbed thats why most of the graffiti in glasgow is gone by crews who go out together and some of them are pretty hard sooo....

being thirteen has its down sides

[Cherubic Meekus]

Hey since you live in Essex you must of seen those DUK throw ups right?

nuh, I aint familiar with DUK......but have you seen them Blackboy throw ups by Del-phoo?????

[runci]

yeh thats 1 of the main reasons i do daytimes...
glasgow isnt a place u really wanna be out at night...

[sika_2002]

sure hes 13, but the police are gettin pretty damn fucked of about graffiti these days, they aint guna give a shit bout ur age. u get caught they will do you for the crime. any way. how are ppl 2day

[runci]

how old were u guys wen u started writing n how long u been writing for...

im jus great today sika urself??? :lol:

[shyone]

i&#39;m wet...just cycled home for 1/.2 an hour in a fuking monsoon.

[the infamous one]

ive been writing since i was 14, im 15 now and ive been writing for about 11 months

[sika_2002]

im good aswell runci. i started like sketching and shitty taggin at 13. but started seriously doin it at about 14-15. im not 16. so about 1yr and a bit

[shyone]

i started scetching at 11..i was really pleased when the teacher couldnt read it, lol...markers at 12/13 so i been writing for a year and a bit aswell...as in with paint.

[sika_2002]

wow, we are all started pretty young

[Doctor_Vercetti]

fuck getting caught
if your not stupid, and have legs that can run, youre ok

and i started writing seriously last september :)

[sika_2002]

all u need is to be able run and know ur area and ur chances of getting caught are very little

[LavakingX]

no i never saw those throw ups meekus u got pic?

I got into graffiti when i was about 9 cos i saw them around were i lived bu tnever done any until I saw these guys writing there names big so i was like let me do one at least.So i started about 10 writing "Life" Then i saw style wars and it really took of then i started hangin with crews on the underground subways and i learn&#39;t there ways of life. I was already down with drawing and art I was also down with hip-hop so it fit well. I got a book when i was 11 and started doin sketch pieces. Then i got proper into graff at 13 when i realised it impressed girls :lol:

Then my friend showed me all the secrets of the london underground (BIg tunnels abandoned stations proper scary&#33;) Then I was like ok i&#39;m gonna take this seriously
and started piecing with paint on the street.

I&#39;m gonna watch style wars now (Watched everyday since i got it :D )

[runci]

so uve been writin for like 4 years???

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by runci@Jun 3 2005, 04:01 PM
so uve been writin for like 4 years???
Yeah? so?
You should to man if u haven&#39;t seen style wars watch it ,it will inspire you so much.
By your age i was bombin man&#33; I wish i started earlier though then i would i of been "Seen" by now :lol:

Is it cos you can&#39;t get paint?

[runci]

no ive got painted...
its cos i cant get out at night... and its not very safe out in glasgow at night oon ur own at 13...

[sika_2002]

yeh, i heard glasgows pretty fucked up. try an join a crew, u mite be safer then

[runci]

ii glasgow is gettin dodgier...
this pdo was stoppin girls from my skool on the way home...

all the crew are pretty hard tho...

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by runci@Jun 3 2005, 04:38 PM
no ive got painted...
its cos i cant get out at night... and its not very safe out in glasgow at night oon ur own at 13...
I go out at night in london which is as bad if not worse but i guess i&#39;m with friends and we carry weapons.

Just go daytime bombing then to practice (in alleys and stuff) till you get confident enough to go out at night.

[runci]

i do go daytime bombing...
but weve been chased like all the time

[sika_2002]

lavaking, where in london u from, and glasgow is a lot more fucked up than london. runci. do weights guarentee it makes a difference. i did mates but i got to lasy in the end

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by runci@Jun 3 2005, 05:07 PM
ii glasgow is gettin dodgier...
this pdo was stoppin girls from my skool on the way home...

all the crew are pretty hard tho...
That sucks so now the criminals are stoppin the graffers maybe if the cops stopped the real crim&#39;s we wouldn&#39;t get this shit.

I feel for you man so just do what i said Daytime in concealed places.Then when you get a crew/more confident you can go out at night

Your parents know you write the graffiti?

[sika_2002]

i go bombing in chill spots or some places during the day, but i go out with mates to street bomb etc. me try to finish by about 1cus thats wen the streets get fucked up with crews and dickheads. lava. wot crew do u write for

[runci]

my parnets know i sketch and know i have paint...
i heard doing weights at a young age stops u growin properly...
im gonna try n get into kick boxing for some self defencse...

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by sika_2002@Jun 3 2005, 05:24 PM
lava. wot crew do u write for?
None man I go solo
All the crews i teamed up with were dickheads
So i just hang with random crews but i ain&#39;t a member of any of them.

Oh Do me a favour if you see "WAX WARRIORS" anywhere cross it out they are all like 10.

I have a group of friends we used to be called TCBS (The Charlie Brown Show) cos that was our theme I was (and still am) SNOOPY my mate was "C.B" etc. etc.
we done a piece that had charlie brown holding a spray can with his name on the wall and it had lucy,schroder and linus stnading there saying "Nice tag,Charlie Brown&#33;" It got crossed out then cleaned off. Now we just go around bombing.
What about the rest of you?

[sika_2002]

i right SOAR, ASK1, but dont rite fro a crew, i just rite with mates of mine.

[nukone]

Nukone nuk nuc knuck nuck nukfast

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by nukone@Jun 3 2005, 06:06 PM
Nukone nuk nuc knuck nuck nukfast
Nukfast&#33; lol I like that but only cos it sounds like something else.

Hey does the guy called Toxus on here write TOX cos if so I seen his stuff on the central line it&#39;s good real good.
Just finsihed up a page in my book a page of snoopy with a character of snoopy smokin a joint listening to cypress hill then wildstyle (which i never tried before) snoop at the bottom I wish my scanner worked.
Should do soon.

[nukone]

na thats bo him
and i pointed out to toxus this and he now has changed his tag

[LavakingX]

Originally posted by nukone@Jun 3 2005, 06:29 PM
na thats not* him
and i pointed out to toxus this and he now has changed his tag
Oh ok That guy wasn&#39;t that good anyway i was just saying that incase it ws him :lol:



New guy out in chigwell i can&#39;t tell you his name cos it&#39;s just a symbol but he looks really toy cos if you follow the trail you cn imagine it:

1.some kid finds spray paint
2.mess&#39;s around with it
3.Finds a tag
4.Does loads of them in the same place

Doing loads of the same tag in one place looks really toy with some exceptions.

Anyone got MSN?

[nukone]

u cud draw it

[Doctor_Vercetti]

Originally posted by LavakingX@Jun 3 2005, 03:42 PM
no i never saw those throw ups meekus u got pic?

I got into graffiti when i was about 9 cos i saw them around were i lived bu tnever done any until I saw these guys writing there names big so i was like let me do one at least.So i started about 10 writing "Life" Then i saw style wars and it really took of then i started hangin with crews on the underground subways and i learn&#39;t there ways of life. I was already down with drawing and art I was also down with hip-hop so it fit well. I got a book when i was 11 and started doin sketch pieces. Then i got proper into graff at 13 when i realised it impressed girls :lol:

Then my friend showed me all the secrets of the london underground (BIg tunnels abandoned stations proper scary&#33;) Then I was like ok i&#39;m gonna take this seriously
and started piecing with paint on the street.

I&#39;m gonna watch style wars now (Watched everyday since i got it :D )
wow
theres no need to lie so fucking much

<_<

[MoNkEy]

im bak france was pretty boring. Jus went in the pool, skated, stuck stickers and walked around. I only got a few flics of graffiti cos most of it was shitty. Also there werent much were i was. I got a few bangers yey &#33;&#33; Meek i got the passaround book. Wtf is up wid all the tin foil and cling film :P Anyway can i do the back cover please :unsure: Any1 anything happened cos i cant be assed to read the last like 40 pages since ive been gone.

[Cherubic Meekus]

I go out at night in london which is as bad if not worse but i guess i&#39;m with friends and we carry weapons.


I live in both London and Southend....the latter is more stridulent and the impoverishment seen is vast (if you go to the correct areas).........its over run with Gypsies who will cut you with no vindication to justify there acts.
They bite and ride you like your a barn owl.


Then my friend showed me all the secrets of the london underground (BIg tunnels abandoned stations proper scary&#33;) Then I was like ok i&#39;m gonna take this seriously

sounds like an extract from the fantastic five books :P I&#39;m not going to condemn you for talking bollocks.....I have a friend whos a perfidious soul (though, he&#39;s a spiv)


Meek i got the passaround book. Wtf is up wid all the tin foil and cling film Anyway can i do the back cover please

I was really bored when I wrapped that thing up............
and yeah you can do the back cover.
What did you think of the stufff i drew in the book?>

[MoNkEy]

its actuali well gd also u kno that page saying monkey can you please take out the paper and shit wid the heroin needle or wateva do u want me to take that out aswell? Wats up wid the random porn aswell ?

[Slob]

wow this thread has a serious lack of flicks.

[MoNkEy]

yer i am gonna post a few of wat i got in france in a min.

[Cherubic Meekus]

do u want me to take that out aswell?
Thats for you to do with as you wish


Wats up wid the random porn aswell ?

*shrugs shoulders* :P


P.s This little piggy has appeared on www.woostercollective.com once again....



Responses to Rebecca&#39;s Dilemma


So it didn&#39;t take long for us to receive a slew of emails repsonding to Rebecca&#39;s dilemma. Here&#39;s a sampling of some of the response we&#39;ve received.

But first, in case you&#39;re interested in what we think, the answer is - try to find the artist and get their approval. If you can&#39;t, don&#39;t use it. While we love street art, we don&#39;t agree with the stance that if it&#39;s put up on the street, then it&#39;s free game to be used elsewhere. For us, the artist did not intend for the piece to be on a CD cover. They indended it to be on the wall. It&#39;s no different then Freaklub getting ripped off by Zara, only much smaller and much more well intended. That said, We think it&#39;s terrific that Rebecca reached out and really applaud her for thinking through her decision.

Here are some of the responses we received:

From Law.... "a real artists intention is to share their view/other mediums of things with others, cost is just to get by, and fame is something that people get to by trend, most real artists would be pleased to see their work being celebrated, and 500 cds isn&#39;t going to scar that artist if its not the work they intended to portray them"

From BC: "There are some mildly interesting arguments to the contrary, but as a hard-working unpaid street artist, I feel it is correct for Rebecca to use the piece freely. In my opinion, &#39;Street Art&#39; is no longer the property of the creator when the writer/paster/welder/bomber/finger-duster/cairn-builder, etc., walks away. Grafitti is done for many personal reasons, but it would be naive to ignore a powerful force: FAME&#33; Rebecca is putting fame in their pocket. Who among you can honestly say you are not stoked to see your work show up in unexpected venues.....it&#39;s just another way to get over. Who doesn&#39;t get off when they see their stuff on a dorkumenter&#39;s cameraphone Fickr site? I love the people who flick graff all over the web. At the other end of the spectrum, having your work appear in a mainstream multinational&#39;s attempt to be &#39;down with graff&#39; is still subversive.Still getting over. You can&#39;t expect to control it if you left it on the street. Rebecca, you could cover your Respect base by using have a small footnote describing where you &#39;found &#39; the piece and make an offer to credit the artist if they come forward. It doesn&#39;t have to be on every instance, just somewhere in your media. If any so-called Street Artist got heated about this, they can stay indoors with their commodity, the street doesn&#39;t want them. Remember, you&#39;re not selling their work, you&#39;re promoting it. Props for your ethical considerations. -I work nights.

From Stevo: I would be flattered but a little pissed at the sametime knowing someone used my art without asking. If it was used for a cover sleve for an independent album, I wouldn&#39;t be made. For a company logo, not cool&#33; my 2centz.

From Cherubic Meekus:..... *Is it morally reprehensible to even think about doing what I&#39;m thinking about doing?*
The artist may be breaching lawful conduct(which is an issue of morality itself) but should be entitled to recognition for creating something that has enticed you by its resplendent quality,since you have decided to grace one of your CD covers with the image.Would you plagerize the &#39;&#39;Mona Lisa&#39;&#39;?
Just because it&#39;s graffiti doesn&#39;t mean it deserves to be construed as a non-entity which can be plagerized. Anyway, the criterion which you follow is up to you...ive just given my two cents.

From Mark: While I respect the fact that she&#39;s seeking advice, using someone else&#39;s
art for her logo without compensation or at least getting permission is wrong and could be a liability to her later if the label becomes profitable. If she likes the style, why not get her friend to make something similar that&#39;s inspired by the original without being a direct ripoff?? I&#39;m sure there are many many other things that would "work perfectly" as the logo for her label if she was open to them."

From Zeke: "I say NO WAY. Even if you don&#39;t know who the artist is, you can&#39;t just take
someone&#39;s art and make it your logo."

From Doug: "I know the label is just starting, but why doesn&#39;t she find another graf artist to do something that she&#39;d like for the label, pay the artist, and use that tag? I don&#39;t think it would be a problem to use the tag she likes if she makes an effort to find the person. And if the person presents him/herself at some point after seeing the logo being used, she shouldn&#39;t have a problem compensating him/her for the work. What&#39;s important is that her hearts in the right place, and that she sends you a pic of the work to put on the site.

From Mill Bot: I leave drawings on small scraps of paper, beer mats and napkins hoping silently that someone will take it home and appreciate it. I think graf can be seen the same way, art for the people by the people. You are putting a child in the street to be fussed over or to be taken advantage of. Personally I&#39;d be flattered if one of my doodles was used as a logo for an art piece, so long as I knew about it eventually. But I think you should&#39;t ask someone to draw something simular, that&#39;d be as bad as what happened to Banksy a while back. But in all honesty do you think that when the artist finds out would she/he be prepaired to sue? Or thank you? I prefere the latter, affter all it&#39;s always noce to see your kids photo in the paper.

From Simon: Yes, it&#39;s morally reprehensible to rip off the work for a CD cover. This is the scale, from best to worst:

- Find the artist, get their permission, pay them small sum and full
credit (full points)

- Find the artist, get their permission, full credit (still good stuff)

- Find the artist, get their permission (ehhh.. why not give credit?)

- Find the artist&#39;s name or assumed identity, give credit (dodgy.. but
at least you credit them)

- Just use it (the karma gods will eat your soul)

I know, it&#39;s graff, it&#39;s put up to be seen, but the writer didn&#39;t intend it to be a CD cover.

From jesus fork ewe. "regarding the ethical problem you posted, i say 100% she should use whatever the hell she wants.. it would be a bad move if she misappropriated the image and modified it ever so slightly to make it &#39;hers&#39;.. hello advertising companies.. but a small to tiny record label using an image that they love and has no idea who made, and who has stated that she would like to credit the artist, yea.. do it.. put a tag under it along the lines of &#39;copyright of whoever the fuck did this piece of beauty&#39; or something.. and worry a little less, you&#39;re going to be sharkfood in the music world soon, i&#39;d start practicing my nonchalance and indifference.. seriously though, power to you for even thinking that this matters..:

From BB: I am under the impression, because i&#39;m a writer, that all graf is fair game when it comes to using it for profit. Each and every writer knows, whether it&#39;s
wheatpaste, spraypaint, oil scribe, or mixed media, that his or her art is subject to removal, or buff eventually. So by all means, in my opinion, use it. cheers

From KhingKOBRA: "as an artist this does present an interesting dilemna and I might point out one that we are going to have to confront more and more as the popularity of graf and street art grow... Tradition would say that the artist must recieve credit for their work in the least and compensation whenever possible... However, personally I find this dilema to be much more complex... This actually relates rather heavfily to the issue from late last week regardding property games... However one major difference is the spirit of the issue... Where as Property Games flaunted their theivery Rebecca is conflicted by even the notion of theivery... With this in mind and with the distinct possibility that the graf in question may have been commercially sponsored by the committee connected with the arts fest in question... Thus as an artist I would have to say that it okay to use it in as much as one approaches the use of it via what Lawrence Lessig has refered to as a Creative Commons... Personally I think there is much merit to Dr. Lessig&#39;s theory and it is one of the main reasons that I got into street art to begin with... I believe at it&#39;s best street art becomes a sort hybrid of Warhyol and Beuys for as Beuys said, " Art is the only true form of revolution" thus this hybrid of Joseph Bueys theories with a more pop sensibily makes ultimately, when paired with a creative commons sensibily, a sort of anti-Madison Avenue...Furthermore in an era when admen coopt our style I think it is even more important for us to embrace this Radical approach of embracing the coopting of art as opposed to a more reactionary approach of "I&#39;ve gotta get Paid"... So in short... Use it but with respekt&#33;&#33;&#33;

From WM O: "My take is that Rebecca needs permission -- particularly because this is branding for a commercial endeavor, even if on a small scale. Hopefully the Wooster posting will turn up the artists and Rebecca can seek permission. Otherwise, better to have her friend draw something (or perhaps someone else from Wooster will offer). And, I think it is good for Rebecca to raise the issue rather than finding justifications (it is graffiti, it is public, it may be illegal anyway). I have had similar issues come up with (1) I am a photographer and document street art -- and while some of my better photos are of street art, I would not be comfortable showing it as my work or selling it; and (2) some friends saw a piece on a newspaper box and
wanted to know whether it would be ok to take, reasoning that it would disappear at some point anyway. My take was that it was street work -- for the public -- and they should not make it their own and remove it from the public. The time when I think it would be ok would be if they saw the newspaper removing the work and then sought to preserve it (since it was already removed from the public).

From Lee: "I don&#39;t believe Rebecca should use the graffiti in any other manner
other than editorial or as reference to produce something with the same flavour (read: homage or similar style; not a copy). Certainly, using it as a logo for a label (read: business) would be highly unethical without hearing from the artist (read: copyright holder)directly.

From Vos B. "Homey says: don&#39;t even go there&#33; Just ask your friend to design a brand
new logo (If she&#39;s good ofcourse..) And in case you still really, really like this dude&#39;s style you gotta ask him to design something like it. Just for you and your label. It will always come out better. Good luck, peace&#33;"

From Anna: "Dear Rebecca, That makes my stomach turn just a little. To use it as a logo, embodying the spirit of your art, assumes some kind of partnership or at least awareness of the artist. Which you don&#39;t (maybe can&#39;t) have because graffiti is often a hit-and-run operation. However, in light of the fact that ATTENTION for attention&#39;s sake is (just) one of the driving forces for lots of graffiti, I suspect that the author of the piece would be pleasantly surprised to see their little piece &#39;make it big.&#39; Consider: Are you willing to pay royalties to the artist if they find you?

From PECE from Supersentido crew in Santiago, Chile: I was thinking about this matter of taking other people works and ideas to solve creative troubles. I think it&#39;s okay if you take it like an inspiration. You could make a remix, for example. Your new artwork could include all the mood of the original but always try to redo it with your own way. I love to inspire other people with my own work. It&#39;s like a privilege.

[MoNkEy]

wats that big bit about cos im tired and to lazy to read.

[Cherubic Meekus]

^^^^ just read the section in orange...thats from me.....

In a nutshell, there all responses to this:

This morning we received an interesting email from Rebecca, asking us for our opinion on an ethical quandry she is facing. Rather than just give her our opinion, we thought we&#39;d reach out to all of you to get your thoughts as well. Send us an email to woostercollective@hotmail.com and we&#39;ll post as many responses as we can...

Here&#39;s Rebecca:

"I’ve been discussing this issue with a friend of mine, and she suggested I write to you to ask your opinion.

I’ve started a record label primarily for the purpose of releasing my own band’s recordings, but I suppose in the future we might release the work of a few other bands as well. It’s a tiny label (we’re only pressing 500 copies of the first CD). I asked my friend if she could draw me a logo for the label, she said sure and asked me to send her some drawings along the lines of what I was thinking, so she could get an idea of what I was looking for. In the process of looking for drawings, I stumbled across a photograph I took of some graffiti on a wall outside of an arts festival in Washington, DC in 2002. This little piece of graffiti would work perfectly as a logo for the label.

The problem is that I have no idea who the artist was, so I wouldn’t know who to thank/credit/ask permission from. At the same time, it was graffiti, not a painting for sale.

Is it morally reprehensible to even think about doing what I’m thinking about doing? If you tell me yes, I’ll nix the idea and continue to nag my friend about giving me an original drawing."

[Cherubic Meekus]

p.s MoNk, post some flixs from France.

[MoNkEy]

post the flic u wanted to use please. Cos if u searched the web u mite be able to find something. Also jus use it neway and jus say thanks to the annoymous artist or sumfin :blink:

[MoNkEy]

http://img47.echo.cx/img47/3661/img02807ia.jpg

Some people were paintin this last time we was up plaistow a week before i left for france.



France Pics

http://img47.echo.cx/img47/3797/img02960fk.jpg

Best handstyle i saw ova there. Well the best i think neway.


http://img47.echo.cx/img47/8411/img02984xa.jpg

http://img47.echo.cx/img47/449/img03004ir.jpg

http://img47.echo.cx/img47/1520/img03014gh.jpg

http://img47.echo.cx/img47/1521/img03029qs.jpg

One of the best things i saw.


http://img47.echo.cx/img47/3601/wholewallphotoshopped0xw.jpg

Prob the best big wall painted i saw.


There was a lot of stuff in this place perpignan or sumfin like that. The day we went i forgot my cam and shit so i couldnt get flics but on the motorways they had a lot of peices. I got a few more flics but there all shit and not worth uploading. I will post flics of my bangers in a min :P

[Cherubic Meekus]

http://img47.echo.cx/img47/3661/img02807ia.jpg
this is sik :D

[Cherubic Meekus]

post the flic u wanted to use please. Cos if u searched the web u mite be able to find something. Also jus use it neway and jus say thanks to the annoymous artist or sumfin

I aint the rebecca girl...shes a cunt.
I responded using my psedonym.....my arguement is high lighted in orange.

[MoNkEy]

im reali to tired to look back :P Also yer that thing was well nice simple but looks so gd. I still gotta go pitsea market in a few weeks and check out the shop there and get some gold.

[Cherubic Meekus]

^^^^ yeah i was gonna do that.

[MoNkEy]

yer i wanna save up for a few weeks tho. I wanna start those realistic peices cos they jus look so gd. I allready thought of one its jus like a background scene thing. Its gonna be like pipes and industrial shit. Then im thinkin of gettin infamous one to do one of his robotic peices in it or sumfin. Also is he gettin the book ?

[Cherubic Meekus]

Also is he gettin the book ?
there should be a sheet within the book saying who&#39;s getting it......?

on another note...
It seems my name has been interlinked with an abberant world of recognition...
When I was 15, I made a movie wiyh my video camera known as &#39;&#39;Cherubic Meekus: When the Czechs Return&#39;&#39;....its was soon discarded but, 3 years later, its circulating round the internet.

On the Word Magazine website (a renowned reading source for those who enjoy such movies as &#39;&#39;The Magnificent Ambersons&#39;&#39;) someone posted this :

&#39;&#39;The permutation of &#39;Cherubic Meekus:The Czechs Return&#39; into a DVD format has yet to occur...&#39;&#39;
Eugene Carter, 31 May 2005



What the fuck is going on ?????&#33;&#33;&#33;
see: Word Magazine (http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/community/index.cfm?n=3&parentid=162)

and scroll down to the 16th comment.

[MoNkEy]

yer but he aint onthe list and i swear hes gettin it :S Meek u back in essex now then ? Cos if i come down to pitsea u wanna go paint the plaistow legal wall ?

[Cherubic Meekus]

^^^^ alrite, we&#39;ll sort something out.....

and you can pass it to infamous next if you want.....
Also MoNk, if you have a scanner on hand could you scan some of the pages from the passaround and pm them to me.
cheers.

[MoNkEy]

wtf that dvd thing is weird :P haha. Also i will ask him if he wants it and wateva if not i will jus send it on. I will post flics of it wen i get some time.

[Cherubic Meekus]

kk cheers mate.
and that DVD thing has made me feel a little.....for once I can&#39;t think of the word.
If thats an appeal to get it out on DVD than im just going to go along with it.

[MoNkEy]

we all ave to buy it if it does come out on dvd :P

[Cherubic Meekus]

^^^^^^lol................ :D

[MoNkEy]

im gonna ave my self a firework display tonite wid all my bangers rockets and shit. Will kill a few hours for myself :P I will film and share wid u all later :P

[shyone]

where did you go in france? its really good there cos they all do stuff down the moterway and it doesnt get buffed that much, makes the journeys more exiting.

[MoNkEy]

nufin can make the 12 hour journey i had betta. I got a numb ass and legs and i needed a shit all the way home :P I went to argeles in south of france. Also im thinkin of making a little clothing line thingy. I need to get an airbrush and compressor for cheap so if any1 knows anywhere to get one could they give me the details and shit please.

[shyone]

i am making t-shirts to sell&#33; but someone else is printing them for me, i just need a good desighn..
http://www.cafepress.com/
they do a print to demand so you dont have to pay anything upfront, you deside how much you want to sell your t-shirts for and they take away their price leaving you with the rest...
i just need to think of a design

[sika_2002]

now that sounds good. il try and have a design by summer

[MoNkEy]

i was jus thinkin of doin hats, trainers, shirts maybe hoody&#39;s and shit. Making a website or sumfin. Sell some then keep doin em then maybe get a little stall in a market somewhere.

[sika_2002]

not a bad idea monkey, not a bad idea at all

[shyone]

you can do all that on cafepress...you can do magnets, thongs, shirts, caps, plates, clocks...ectect....

[MoNkEy]

yer it mite pay off if i get enough money and shit. I thought a great place would be camden market but it depends if i can actuali get a place down there. Also then i could sell paint like email graphotism and say ive got a stall and shit and i sell clothes and i wanna sell paint :P

[MoNkEy]

im gonna light one of my big bangers now as im bored :P

[shyone]

i can never find the big ones when i&#39;m in france, only the small ones in newsagents and shit...where are the big ones?

[Cherubic Meekus]

i was jus thinkin of doin hats, trainers, shirts maybe hoody&#39;s and shit. Making a website or sumfin. Sell some then keep doin em then maybe get a little stall in a market somewhere.

Ive been making t-shirts for about 2 years now...I have a stall opposite the Sle-R-P skateboard shop in Basildon.........I made £90 in an hour once........
The proprietors of Sle-R-P always give me shit....so I threw boiled water over Mr.Howard Jones....
The stall cost me £50 for 6 hours though...and the average profit i make is £35...

[MoNkEy]

the banger was well gd :P If u go by the sea and stuff they sell em there. They dont allways stock big ones but i mean these are big. I will put the movie on yousendit or wateva.
http://img248.echo.cx/img248/7871/img03232ho.jpg

I will start by selling the clothes to mates and ppl at school. Then i will jus find random ppl i mite even ask steas and sham at brixton if i can put some stuff in there shop in brixton.

[Cherubic Meekus]

im gonna hide than kick the shit out of this.....im fucking off....

[vegimite on toast]

Originally posted by Cherubic Meekus@Jun 4 2005, 11:12 PM
The stall cost me £50 for 6 hours though...and the average profit i make is £35...
Doesn&#39;t that really defeat the purpose of selling them then?

[MoNkEy]

meek wtf did u mean by saying that ?

[vegimite on toast]

She left to do something better?

[Cherubic Meekus]

Doesn&#39;t that really defeat the purpose of selling them then?
yeah

and

meek wtf did u mean by saying that ?

was nothing personal , i&#39;m just going out for abit.

[MoNkEy]

i was jus puzzles why u said it :S

[darsone]

wtf

[MoNkEy]

wtf

[vegimite on toast]

Here goes nothing,


Wtf.

[MoNkEy]

wtf u do that for wtf

[shyone]

nice banger monkey

[MoNkEy]

thank u :P

[Cherubic Meekus]

fuck ive surpassed my 2000 post without even acknowledging it....
either way, nice banger MoNk..
bye bye for today fella&#39;s

xxxxxxxxxx

[MoNkEy]

gd bye meek

[shyone]

how could you miss your 2000th post?&#33;&#33;?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;?&#33; bye.
uuummmm....
errrr...
i was gonna write something but i forgot what.
check the uk trains thread, i put up a load.

[sika_2002]

yeh i saw them, where u get the flix.

[LavakingX]

Hey how is every1?

Just some answers to some questions asked

1.I live in Essex but i tag in east london(see what i mean :( )
2.Yes Lifting weights does stunt your growth but being strong don&#39;t do shit if some guys thinkin of driving a bottle through you.

Nice flix

[the infamous one]

monkey get your ass on msn you sexy clothing making banger person you :wub:

[runci]

got these today at the pund shop...
kiddies paint type pens.. im gonna empty em out n put in some ink..

and i also got this white posca marker outta an art store but its too watery.... just seeing whats better monster markers or poscas...

http://img221.echo.cx/img221/2271/picture486qe.jpg

[cry wolf]

runci, post a picture of you poscas to see if there like mine and they are good :P