Similar Styles Or A Lotta Biting?

[-->MaNiK1<--]

HAve you ever notcie how similar the styles are in one place to the next? Civilians on the street don't take notice of graff as much anymore because people can't see any difference. The letters are done the same. Everytime someone does throw, all it is is the same message as a hundred other writers, only writen different. Either some1s biting a lot, or we all need to work on are styles so that no one has the same too letterforms. But i am not saying that different locals don't have diiferent styles. I'm talking more in terms of the state, like NYC. Nyc has a million writers(way to state the obvious) but so many similar styles, you hardly ever see the same writer twice unless they're a king. Give it some thought and post some feedback, peace.

[pSYKAOz]

what do u expect? every1 to come up with a totally new and uninflueced style that looks good? why do u think graff in the 70's is pure crap compared to kids who write graff for 3 months nowadays?

[-->MaNiK1<--]

But people who write for 3 monthes call themselves kings! half of them are worth crap next to the real writers. People should spend more time coming up with a real original style, even if that means less time actually painting. Take pride in your work and don't just draw the same letterform everytime you bomb!

[bruce]

haha id say philly style tags are distinct.
europeans do their shit distinctly.

and id the last 6-12 months or so id say theres been a certain similar style in the bombs that are going up in montreal.

[Tony]

yeah, we all have to change everything we do so civilians walking down the street will get our "message".



a letter can only be re invented, and re worked, and chnaged so many times untill it starts to look like another version.

[pSYKAOz]

alot of new mtl heads are going oldskool...

and alot of ppl do the same S in mtl also.. alot of the same A as well

[bruce]

Originally posted by pSYKAOz@Dec 14 2004, 12:09 AM
alot of the same A
haha, to that id definitly agree. i think it was yusa who i first saw using that "A".
now its a standard for kids.

[musk]

i know what mean about the same style but what are you suggesting to be done about it

[pSYKAOz]

also alot of the S like one of scans throws, stare, sniper, zuel (on his Z) etc... u know the one with the loop... hehe i do it also XP

[-->MaNiK1<--]

^^I'm saying that ppl need to pratice. If letterforms start to look different form the original letter, HELL, if that what it takes so be it. I'm jsut getting tired of seeing the same letterforms done over and over, and chances are, they get worst and aren't even done as well as the original over time. so quit bitting. make your own styles up. they don't even hafta look like letters, as long as it has a basic form.

[Tony]

its obvious to me.





you dont know shit about graff.

[musk]

^^^ ok sorry i was confused

[oblong]

Originally posted by Tony@Dec 14 2004, 12:08 AM
yeah, we all have to change everything we do so civilians walking down the street will get our "message".



a letter can only be re invented, and re worked, and chnaged so many times untill it starts to look like another version.
like 50 foot high rollers
in hot pink :o

[vegimite on toast]

Who really cares? Not me, i don't notice that here, well perhaps in some tags but not in peices. And if you care so much then you should make a different style, be original, i don't care. And why are so many people protective over their threads? So what if it gets ruined? Who cares? It's just a friggin useless thread, seriously what use does this thread have other than taking up space and sharing your little whiney opinion about how fucked up graffiti is? No one cares, well i don't anyways.

[i_eat_clam]

Originally posted by -->MaNiK1<--@Dec 13 2004, 09:27 PM
stfu Tony. all you can do is dis ppl im pissed with it. fuck off.

everyone else, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez dont screw up this thread
dont screw it up?.... what the fuck u want us to do about it?....

go to every person that writes and say " please change "...

you lame fuck... who cares.

[vegimite on toast]

/\/\/\

Exctly what i said before.

[yuki]

-->MaNiK1<--,
Why don't you show us what you mean. Let's see your completely original, non-biting style to stand alone from all other styles. This seems like a thread that should have been started with some flix, so we can be educated properly. Graffiti ain't broke and it doesn't need fixing. You may have to look really close, but no 2 styles are completely the same. If they were, they would have to be written by the same person twice. I'm not condoning biting. Fuck straight biters, but people have been influenced by each other from the start.

[AeR sms_2k4]

all i no is in detroit syles are the same,same bombs, ppl jocking off handstyles,too many toys around here

[M0De7]

We can't all have revolutionary letters if thats what you mean. There are just too many writers out now for everything to be different and unique. Hahahaha. And if you look closely there is tons of shit that is quite unique, but unique throw ups?

[war child]

i know what that foos trying to say, wait about 50 years from now and u will see a total difference in graffiti. A lot will change if u look back to this point how far weve come.

[TIONZ_ER!]

Since when did you care about everyone elses letter forms?
I beleive more writer think about how good there own shit looks and and worry about getting up more than everyone else does.
Since when did we all of a sudden start to care about our competition?

Close this gay ass thread!

[The Most Sadistic]

bite my dick

[MODGrafix]

Originally posted by oblong+Dec 14 2004, 12:33 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (oblong @ Dec 14 2004, 12:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tony@Dec 14 2004, 12:08 AM
yeah, we all have to change everything we do so civilians walking down the street will get our "message".



a letter can only be re invented, and re worked, and chnaged so many times untill it starts to look like another version.
like 50 foot high rollers
in hot pink :o [/b][/quote]
OMG!!!! that would be cRAAAAAAAZy!!!

[the infamous one]

i think the term biting is used too loosly...ok if i bite one of err can2's letters or some shit im a biter...but if we have similar styles then i wouldnt consider that biting...i remember one dude said zewl bit causr becuase a part of his z was the same as causr's c :huh: correct me if im wrong but how fuckin stupid is that

[shyone]

this is an entirly pointless thread...of course people have similer styles, it all depends on what they were influinced by?! so what...have you only just worked that out!?

[pogopope]

Originally posted by TIONZ_ER!@Dec 14 2004, 10:12 AM
I beleive more writer think about how good there own shit looks and and worry about getting up more than everyone else does.
nicely said.

nothings origional anymore, everyones been influenced by someone else. all you can do is take what youve been given and do your own thing as best you can with it.

[CraYon]

Wait, what's the purpose of graffiti? Isn't it to get your name up on the wall? Exposure? "Fame"? True, a lot of people have a similar style, but the whole point of getting cans and spraying shit is to be recognized. It was the same in the 70's and its the same in 04.

[MoNkEy]

are u the real crayone ??

[CraYon]

Originally posted by MoNkEy@Dec 14 2004, 03:56 PM
are u the real crayone ??
No, its not Crayone...Had I been Crayone, my name woulda been Crayone and not Crayon.... :lol:

[MoNkEy]

jus wonderin if u were biting lol. The real crayone as some nice shit.

[glue]

wow gay topic. your a dumbass all letters are the same, if someone rocks an r then another writer with and r will look similiar, or it just isnt an r. its not unlikely that people will reinvent letters that were previously invented by other writers even if they havent see it befor, theres only that many letters and a t will look similiar to a t if its a t.

[Msfyt]

*cough* dumb topic *cough*

[cyras1]

yes, this is a dumb topic.

[CaptSnuffy]

I think the similarity in letterforms arises from the obvious fact that graffiti is a passed-down art. It's like the letters are being passed around so much that eventually it becomes all very VERY similar; it works a bit like inbreeding (only less nasty). It's my belief that the writers who we consider good are ones who have broken out of the standard letters that aren't impressive enough anymore to develop their own unique style... which will eventually become less impressive as time goes on and it is bitten. Groups like this, like BombingScience will probably serve to increase biting. Think of it this way, a guy sees an awesome piece with very "fresh" letters, and then decides to post it on our forums. Then in a matter of hours that picture will be seen by many people, a lot of which are developing their style. Then those people who see it will either ignore it, be inspired by it, or just bite it entirely. But im not dissing bombingscience or the fact that people are inspired by other people's work, this is a great way for people to improve and maybe develop styles. If people start to make new styles then eventually those new styles will be boring and then maybe people will want to go "retro" andreturn to the bubble letters and arrows that are often associated with graffiti today.

[^ AsTro ^]

Originally posted by CaptSnuffy@Dec 14 2004, 06:24 PM
I think the similarity in letterforms arises from the obvious fact that graffiti is a passed-down art. It's like the letters are being passed around so much that eventually it becomes all very VERY similar; it works a bit like inbreeding (only less nasty). It's my belief that the writers who we consider good are ones who have broken out of the standard letters that aren't impressive enough anymore to develop their own unique style... which will eventually become less impressive as time goes on and it is bitten. Groups like this, like BombingScience will probably serve to increase biting. Think of it this way, a guy sees an awesome piece with very "fresh" letters, and then decides to post it on our forums. Then in a matter of hours that picture will be seen by many people, a lot of which are developing their style. Then those people who see it will either ignore it, be inspired by it, or just bite it entirely. But im not dissing bombingscience or the fact that people are inspired by other people's work, this is a great way for people to improve and maybe develop styles. If people start to make new styles then eventually those new styles will be boring and then maybe people will want to go "retro" andreturn to the bubble letters and arrows that are often associated with graffiti today.
dammm is that like whole damm paragraph.....
shit, didint even bother reading that....

HAHA

[i_eat_clam]

why the fuck aint this closed?

[yuki]

Originally posted by CaptSnuffy@Dec 14 2004, 06:24 PM
It's like the letters are being passed around so much that eventually it becomes all very VERY similar; it works a bit like inbreeding (only less nasty).
this is a hilarious way to look at it. great quote.

[aCId II nz]

wat the fuck?........shut the fuck-er.....u-p

who cares?

asshole close ashole open




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[DNA]

well with the internet people are able to see peoples work from around the world, so they can get new ideas, where back in the 70's people work was segrigated to the areas they lived in becuase work wasnt shared inter-state-ly. like back then east and west coast work was easy to tell apart, now it is kind of like a big mash.

here at BS we are shaping each others style by critqing and giving help so everybodys work is going to look somewhat alike. we are sharing our styles so you are influenced by everybody. where as back in the 70s you were only influenced by the poeple in your area.

[TIONZ_ER!]

umm... no dna, we dont shre, you just bite.. besides in the 70's... there was no styler to copy from... they made there own shit... look at tracy 167 and then look at cope and then look at mare 139... i never seen any similarity at all.

Now close this damn thing

[dageotb]

of acourse we as writer we seem to get inspired by other writer art work. in the day's we did not have the subway art book we was the subway art book if you was down by a sertain crew. you was known for that crew style but at nyc we focus on lettering not funky 3-d art style concept i was do a train one day at those time i am was pushing cod crew from the bx nyc then i pull out a few cars that i did the style i used that cod style the style is mix with shame toa with seen ua inf you go the the web site called mid 80s you will see wane me poem michelob wen wips sento cav etc we use each other stlye to created a sertain style there is a type of biting

[PipSqueak]

Why don't people just paint...what ever they want to paint? We learn by example. Painting is a form of freedom and liberation...if two things look the same, they look the same, no use in arguing about who did it first. Just paint your heart out.

[i_eat_clam]

no really someone close this......
look at all the replies people are givin' only like 3 real answers in 3 pages..

[CaptSnuffy]

It would be nice if people could answer, and do it in a way that was easy to understand! Come on, look dageotb's post... it's annoyingly hard to read. I know you think it's really cool to pretend you don't speak English well becuase you're from the "hood" but it's not cool, it's just dumb. There are five year olds with better grammar and spelling than some of you people. It's one thing to make a few small mistakes that are still easily understandable, but when you decide that you're too ghetto to even use punctuation or write in coherent sentences then I think you need to leave. Go somewhere else where writing isn't necessary and save us a lot of annoyance. Sorry for being a ranting asshole but i thought it should be said.

[dageotb]

yo my man can you do better than that getting props off me is the wrong thing to do so rethink before you jump bad on the site yo are some toy losser with a crew name born to loose and sitting home in your mothers basement jerk off so then peace out

[rations]

in da u.k most peeps have differnt styles

[CaptSnuffy]

Originally posted by dageotb@Dec 15 2004, 07:18 PM
yo my man can you do better than that getting props off me is the wrong thing to do so rethink before you jump bad on the site yo are some toy losser with a crew name born to loose and sitting home in your mothers basement jerk off so then peace out
It's hard for me to express how much i truly hate you.

[Titan]

A lot of times these days, you can work on something till you blister your fingers on getting a style, start painting it, and someone will accuse you of biting someone who haven't even heard of. at this point pretty much everything has been done.

[PipSqueak]

It's all about loving what you do. Whether you are original or not. It's paint on walls, and it's great. :D

[BullshitTantrum]

Alot of people seem to be real confused as to what the difference is between having the same style and totaly copying someone. So hopefully this will help. Take baseball. You have a bunch of pitches, hundreds of them. They all do the exact same thing, they pitch. You got over hand, under hand or side arm as the most disticntive ways of pitching. People choose whats comfortable to them and then they pick that style. And you might say well Johnny has the same curve ball (or whatever, I don't play baseball) as the rest of the picters on his team but in all reality his method and ways he exicutes the pitch is different from everyone. So we can put it into graffiti now. In each city, state or country there will be noticable different styles because the people who write will be influenced by what they see and where they grew up. There letter structures, 3-ds, colors of paint, etc will be noticibly different from another area's style but to you or anyone else, they might just think everyone is doing the same played out thing. But like in baseball (remember Johnny?) the styles will be similar but the methods and colors and 3-ds will all vary. Even if you can't tell and you still don't understand you're not gonna do much by telling a bunch of cynical, sarcastic, stubborn, bitter and wrinkly people that they need to stop what there doing and change the graffiti community cause god, everythings the same! I mean its like music! GEEZ PEOPLE WHY CAN'T THERE BE ANYTHING DIFFERENT. And then again some of us thought we liked graffiti cause it was a way to prove to everyone else that we're different.

[BullshitTantrum]

Originally posted by CaptSnuffy@Dec 15 2004, 07:02 PM
It would be nice if people could answer, and do it in a way that was easy to understand! Come on, look dageotb's post... it's annoyingly hard to read. I know you think it's really cool to pretend you don't speak English well becuase you're from the "hood" but it's not cool, it's just dumb. There are five year olds with better grammar and spelling than some of you people. It's one thing to make a few small mistakes that are still easily understandable, but when you decide that you're too ghetto to even use punctuation or write in coherent sentences then I think you need to leave. Go somewhere else where writing isn't necessary and save us a lot of annoyance. Sorry for being a ranting asshole but i thought it should be said.
The fact that you spend enough time on the internet to call people stupid for the way they type there sentences on a messageboard makes me fucking hate you. But I forgot all the cool kids type there messages on the cool kid internet like dis dawg, word to ya moma dat fat bitch i be hittin up all night fo reaaaaaal. cap't snuffers ain't got sheit on dis game cuz hes jus a fukin hater ass BIATCH. yo i think he needa get laid or sumthin cuz he seem like he gots alot of anger or some gay ophra shit like sexual frusdration or shit. ya heard. so get off ya high whorse an stop bein sucha bitch trick murk ass phoney motha fucker who ain't got shit on dis homie. G UNIT!

[CaptSnuffy]

At least you live up to your name

I love you too

[anec]

there hasnt been one single picture in this whole thread once again just people saying shit about eachother

[yuki]

Originally posted by anec@Dec 17 2004, 11:44 AM
there hasnt been one single picture in this whole thread once again just people saying shit about eachother
Tell him what he's won bob. An all expense paid trip for writer's that know what the fuck they're talking about. Sorry for the scarcasm, but I just wanted to illustrate the point that you hit the nail right on the fucking head with that statement. Peace.

[TIONZ_ER!]

Just close this thread and we wont have to argue with the idiots who think they know something.

[Seek]

lol. same as around here. sygle sprayed a bunch of SE throwies in my area and now there is some mad toy sprayin CE with sygle's E. and the person sucks shit at bombing. on some of them they sprayed the outline with white and filled it with black. but looks like they did it real quick cause their black fill covered the white inside outlines! looks like there first time or something. then some other mad toy steals my handstyle and starts usin it to call me a toy?! seems like new writers round here actually want beef.

and to the people who want pics. im gettin a new cam in a couple of days and will take pics and post them here. i bet they'll make alot of peeps laugh.


Peace.

[random victim]

to many cock jockies, some little twats copied my tag to fuck and was hitting it bout all ova the gaff, the little fuckers :angry:

["awesome"ONE]

Where I live the tags look kind of similar but the bombing's look extremely different, so do stickers and etches. I guess it's becuase some people make similar tags when they start off tagging then get more and more creative as they go on.

[MoNkEy]

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[Phenom]

Over here at Az every one does that same S kinda piss me off but i got kinda original letters for my name and krew ive never really seen my letter anywhere..at school some kid thought he knew how to skribble so he asked me i wrote my alphabet bitch grabbed the paper stuck it in his pocket..FUCK..but now that i thought about the lettering it was kinda wack bitch now uses my old graff...im fucking stupid i didnt think..lol

[MitNGEK]

there r alot of similar styles but alot of toys bite

[Msfyt]

Originally posted by -->MaNiK1<--@Dec 14 2004, 12:19 AM
^^I'm saying that ppl need to pratice. If letterforms start to look different form the original letter, HELL, if that what it takes so be it. I'm jsut getting tired of seeing the same letterforms done over and over, and chances are, they get worst and aren't even done as well as the original over time. so quit bitting. make your own styles up. they don't even hafta look like letters, as long as it has a basic form.
i hate opinions like this.
if you really think about any thing is a bite because using a leeter from the alphabet is bite. if you want to be really orginal, use your own fucking alphabet.
so what if there are similar styles, most people cant even get their own style to look good!! i say try your own style, try other peoples style...hell maybe your better at their style then they are.
time and influence is what makes similair styles, and since graff has been around seriously for almost 30 years and the interent allows for forgien influence, "biting" is bound to happen.
anyways peoples style change over time, so say a style that was hot 30 years ago happen, should it never re-apper again?
another example just here in montreal there are approx 300-500 "writers" (most manly toys), but considering there are only 26 letters in the alphabet simlair styles/letters will appear.
complaing about biting means you cant hold a style strong enough yourself, that you think someone else is gunna do it better. if you dont think that then you have dont have to worry about biting. we should always encourage writers to achieve their own skills but style is a fad. one day arrows are cool, one day bubbles are cooler, one wildstyle is the shit, next euro abstract is.
biting isnt a skill its a style, and to say pratice is the answer is weak. people can pratice on biting, people need to develop both in skills and style. style is a matter of opinion, skill is evident.
BITING ISNT THE PROBLEM, the problem is that creativity is low amongst the graff scence. people are to concerned about their style being trendy when really it could be pushing the scene to a next level. evolution of letter stuctures come when we experiment, which i agree probably wont happen with biting but blaming biting still leads us no where.

[scared-lil-boy]

aye man, I'm trin 2 b original but its so hard nowadays with so many other writers and the internet

[laz'e]

sum kids after 3 months can b sick riters

[theoldguardisdead]

you bring up a lotta good points. i think it's just easier to do the same throwie letters as others because then there is less critisism.. and no one wants their shit critisized..

[syrup2]

id say shit is similar but occasionly it seems cats are biting but if someone was biting my style id see it has a complament more then insult

[dark\gbk]

dis fukin sucks how the fuk do u no anything about graff

as tony said u can only change a letter so many times before it doesnt even look like a letter, and to the point of all u see is the same shit, i bet u do the same style over and over and i rekon u bite as well

so read my sig bitch

s.t.f.u.t

[skateparadise]

^ hey Dark. If you are talking to ->MaNiK1<-- he doesnt come here anymore more...

[eRat]

I don't know about you guys, I like painting characters and creatures and whatnot.
Some people may like the same style, if you really wanna stand out, then be different.
Make your style different, and if people copy, take it as a compliment.

[**MATEO**]

Originally posted by dark\gbk@Apr 16 2006, 11:19 PM
dis fukin sucks how the fuk do u no anything about graff

so read my sig bitch

s.t.f.u.t
ok first of all, that internet lingo is very homosexual, and manik1 now writes upfe, you may see him on the sticker thread, his latest acount is vowel.one i believe.

[Msfyt]

bump for daze516

[*Soap*]

Everyone bites style from other writes no matter what they say...
You do it without notice it even

[1nOnly Baze]

well thats just stupid dude.. biting without knowing your biting? thats like stealing without knowing youre stealing. how do you not know youre doing it when youre intentionally doing it...

[Msfyt]

thast easy baze
cause the chances are that your style will look like someone elses without you even knowing
why because there are only 26 letters in the alphabet and millions of wirters around the world and through out history
just cause you havent seen their style doesnt mean some stupid kid out there wont call you out on biting

anyways ny very contraversal opinion is biting is not something to be proud of but something that can be very helpful
its kinda taken the place of a writer bench, or mentors

[nero122]

i said this somewhere else but we all bite without knowing it like say your out one night u see a bunch of pieces you go to sleep wake up few hours later your sketchin n u just randomly add a few lil bits here n there our brain absorbes alot of information without us even knowing where it comes from so in a scense we all copy a few things

[G - Wahl]

[quote=bruce;81959]haha id say philly style tags are distinct.
europeans do their shit distinctly.
quote]
even euro style is getting raped. most of the euro heads feel like they need to do the same random color/fat outline style..and i donno if its bitting or " cultrual diffision " but that euro style is poping up everywhere

[OSET SBK]

i think this thread is pointless

[iLL-WoN]

i think kids are scared people will call them wack and fuckin go over theyre shit so they think theyre cool if they take letters from opeople thats why i fucking hate the game mark eck o made i mean hey im open to new artists but these kids are doin it to be cool not cuz its art and they do it cuz they feel bad or whatever when they suck
from the mind of ILL

[*Soap*]

i said this somewhere else but we all bite without knowing it like say your out one night u see a bunch of pieces you go to sleep wake up few hours later your sketchin n u just randomly add a few lil bits here n there our brain absorbes alot of information without us even knowing where it comes from so in a scense we all copy a few things

That`s what I meant:cool:

[mas$]

i agree with ill won, i mean i speak for myself, but my graffiti aint about being all screw the police, and be all anti establishment, its about another type of art, and putting it up where there isnt much(dubai, mostly kids who dont even qualify toy, all act hardcore with thier shitty words..stuff aint even letters) but yea its about the art..not about breaking the law..anyone agree wit me or u gna rip me apart for my contribution
*edit* i got called for a bite of the killer gerbil, whos work ive enjoyed quite alot , but like just because my character is white and hasa nose its a bite, i mean WTF its called inspiration..i mean when you compare the two pieces there will always be some similiarities, but without the similarities, wed still be rocking Times New Roman or Arial pieces, cuz there would be no previous progression to build on

[AVID1]

seems as though there are lots of dumbasses, and then intelligent people.

Taste and smell, you can't argue.

[iLL-WoN]

yea i mean people think hteyre not good enought to make shit up on theyre own and i dont get it


the whole part of being an artist is to create things of ur own imagination and have people look at osmehtin uvemade differant and saying holy shit thats cool