The Ink Discussion Thread

[Olick]

oh thats what u meant.

i meant fade as in the pigments of PAINT slide off the surface and makes it transparent. so all the pigments gather at the bottum.

i meant fade as in top to bottum.

not ink lol


i think fading for ink comes iwth weather slowly removing the pigments or dyes or any residue that makes the ink a certain color. sort of wear and tear.

[H3TT1NG3R]

well i dotn think its wear and tear, sicne uv protecters can help it, and tags nto in teh sun are fine. and ive never seen paint or pigmented ink fade. ill google this

[BLACKLISTED]

naw its got something to do with the sun and there not being any UV filters in the ink thats why i jst add woodstain to pen ink......
but no i don't know EXACTLY what the sun does when it rapes ink like that

[H3TT1NG3R]

http://www.naturalux.com/NaturaLux_Lighting_Filters_Fading.htm

apparently fading is due to a photochemical reaction between uv rays and visible light.... i guess the uv radiation does some wierd shit, imstill unclear.

[H3TT1NG3R]

actually
"as an ionizing radiation it can cause chemical reactions, and causes many substances to glow or fluoresce. Most people are aware of the effects of UV through the painful condition of sunburn, but the UV spectrum has many other effects, both beneficial and damaging, on human health."
so apparently it can change teh chemical composition

[Queezy]

Add fiebings and your straight...

[Olick]

well i dotn think its wear and tear, sicne uv protecters can help it, and tags nto in teh sun are fine. and ive never seen paint or pigmented ink fade. ill google this

ok. ill try to explain it. forget everything oyu know about fade. when you thin paint way way too much. and you try to write with it. its transpararent.

now if you get paint and you make it take forever to dry by adding more oils. the oil will not dry so fast. so the pigments in the paint will eventually slowly seep downward usually towards the drips. and when it drys. you noticed a small transparent shade at the top of ur tags and opaque paint on the bottum. other words. fading form different shades of color.

thats what i was talking about fade in paint. not the color all togather going away but just the pigments slowly seeping downward before drying.

i wasnt talking about fading like alchohol inks. i just meant what i meant to say. if paint never "faded" in my term then you thin suposably thin paint to the extreme and itll still be opaque.

thats what i meant.

[H3TT1NG3R]

oh ohkay ive never heard of anyone say it liek that. usuallt because that only happens if you thin soemthing too much. happens to my acrylics soemtimes.

[Facedorateur]

So I've got some paint that contains a nice mix of xylene, ethyl, butanol and benzyne.
What do i use to thin it, ive tried paint thiner, and 99.6 percent isopropilic alcool. Those dont work.
Now im thinking : xylene thiner (if i can find some), dot 3 or water.
Would these work?, If not, what should i use?
Feel free to bash me for my ignorance

[H3TT1NG3R]

try denatured alcohol or xylene

[Facedorateur]

thx, ill go and rack that tomorow

[Olick]

denatured alone never mixed with my paints. mix 50% DA and 50% xylene and call that ur "thinner"

then mix that 2/3paint 1/3thinner

or you could just use xylene straight up

[alexhate]

water and dot7

[alexhate]

^ that shit stains 4 more than dot3




(double post for lolz)

[cds_dogg665544]

does any one find that GK is better than woodstain woodstain scrapes of really easy and gk dont. i was told that woodstain would be better :(

[Olick]

maybe you got a shity based woodstain? thiers different bases of woodstain.

[SAID]

Yeee,
woodstain works great.
Maybe you used it in the cold?

[YNGLNS]

Are these inks any good?

Winsor & Newton Black Indian Ink
Winsor & Newton Silver
Higgins Eternal
Speedball Super Black India Ink
Parker (Quink)

I'm looking for mix ideas anything..

[Olick]

india ink is waterbased. itll work but dont expect any stains.

[YNGLNS]

I figured that about the india's I was planning on using them as a base at most..

I'm really just unsure about the Silver and the Parker ink.

[soath]

i posted this in the marker thread and it's already been done...

"haven't tested it yet but i'm making some ink... it's an ipa recipie with pens and sharpies mixed with some marsh and some printer ink. any reason this wouldn't work all together?
140 pens and 14 sharpies to go."

*now I have 2 hp ink cartridges and think i might as well throw them in the soup... can't hurt now that the Domino ink is in right?

**the Domino is like a ink that gets recycled some how... they use it in a machine at my work (i'm not sure what) and then they take the same ink out and discard it... weird? the domino is in the mix aready.

***so throw the printer ink in the mix or no?

http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp179/sickofallthehate/flicks/ink.jpg

[Olick]

printer ink 99.9% is waterbased. so throw it out

[soath]

printer ink 99.9% is waterbased. so throw it out

because it'll weaken the good shit in my soup? right?

ok, thanks. maybe I'll just use it in a waterbased recipe for decos or something... ya know just for drawing. that'd prolly work right?

[BLACKLISTED]

Deco's are paint yo
cant put printer ink in there

[H3TT1NG3R]

remeber a while ago i was talkign about taht shit taht is used for THRUSH in horses?
well my sis is back from college, so she needed some shit from teh same horse place, so i went and racked soem more
http://i37.tinypic.com/157iv5e.jpg
contains:
water, isopropanol, formalin, P.V.P. iodine complex, gentian violet.

its really opaque too, its a little darker than garvey, u can use it straight as ink or add to shit or whatever.
http://www.mustadinc.com/products/prod_hoofcare_01.htm

[cds_dogg665544]

Yeee,
woodstain works great.
Maybe you used it in the cold?

i got Rez brand oil based when i asked where the woodstain was in the store they showed me and took it to some machine i told them i wanted it to be oil based and they opened the can and put some black stuff and some other stuff in it and then the machine shook the can up. Do you think the store people fucked up . they asked me what it was for i just said for a blank skate board

[alexhate]

printer ink 99.9% is waterbased. so throw it out

printer ink for home use yes.

but bulk ink, witch that looks like comes in as many sooo many bases, it would be like writing off black top cuz its stamp pad ink or garvy cuz its just for price stickers.

large format printers for out doors use mek, alc, xylen and other solvents,

what kind of printer is that for, is it pigment or dye based, or do you just know what base it is.

[ErrorOner...]

i racked some aquarium filter shit that just says activated carbon on it. Would this be a good additive for pen ink?

[H3TT1NG3R]

is it reay dark black?

[ErrorOner...]

yea and when it got on my hand it turned everything i touched black. im guessing dopeness ensues, but how will it help my ink's steez?
ps. how much should i add relative to the amount of ink i have?

[H3TT1NG3R]

well all it says is activated carbon? whats it for and whats the name ect, maybe ik what it is

[TASR]

yo, stop asking us, just put it in your ink, it's not the last batch you're ever gonna have.

[SAID]

He just wants to know whats best, your the one reading his posts.

[MontanaPainter]

off topic but w/e

is the mtn hardcore florescent colors good?

[CROSS EM OUT AND PUT A K]

ive used the pink and the orange and they were good

[H3TT1NG3R]

ive had the orange it was good, but not gloss

[MARTYRaz]

i had the flouro green and unless u use a brighter color under it like white or on a brite wall it dnt show up for shit

[MontanaPainter]

thx

[Queezy]

Fluorescent Green
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q68/JuicinIt/DSCN2542.jpg

[MontanaPainter]

thx queezy


but you should not be using mtn

you need a lot more can control

[Facedorateur]

In the ink recipe thread, the first recipe they give is the one with the 40 pens. Do any of u know how much ink the pens contain, like the 40 of 'em combined?

[H3TT1NG3R]

idk. but u make about 1/2 a cup with those. add those cut up to 1/2 a cup

[Olick]

thx queezy


but you should not be using mtn

you need a lot more can control

do we look like ants up on the pedistool ur shitting on?

:D

n its not how much ink the pens contain.

we just thin the ink in the pens. and make pen ink.

bout 200pens for a 1/2 cup is good. deep and opaque

[H3TT1NG3R]

^200 pens for 1/2!? my god. i do like 50 per half cu

[tiny tim]

nah like aprox 100 per half cup

[Queezy]

thx queezy
but you should not be using mtn
you need a lot more can control

Knew you were gonna say some bullshit like that, it's not mine. My friend and I painted in complete darkness, not really smart.(I only use rusto anyway)

Checked my pharmacy yeserday and found out they had genetian violet and potassium permaganate, stoked.

[alexhate]

olicks got it!

now i know why ppl are complaining about pen ink fading in a day.

and he dusint even rack, you kids are lazy/

[tiny tim]

what are the typical uses of potassium permangate other than ink shit

[Olick]

make things go boom.

thats just one way of it being used

[tiny tim]

what are the typical uses of potassium permangate other than ink shit
.

[Olick]

yeah. its used in firework compositions.

silly you.

[tiny tim]

oh dear me
my sincere apologies
but seriously, i cant find the post but didnt some one say some thing about like fish ponds

[fredom-writer]

oh dear me
my sincere apologies
but seriously, i cant find the post but didnt some one say some thing about like fish ponds
thats methylene blue

[Queezy]

and malachite green...

[H3TT1NG3R]

and potassium permanganate, its used in fish ponds to oxidize teh water

[soath]

i tried some of my ink in a 2way glue pen.... it wasn't thick enough so it left huge spots of ink... not drips. do you think the brake fluid would thicken it up enough or just keep adding the pens and shit for now? also in order to save the mop should I leave that ink in there until the other is done or what.

[H3TT1NG3R]

brake fluid doesnt make anythign thicker. boil your ink.

[Olick]

i tried some of my ink in a 2way glue pen.... it wasn't thick enough so it left huge spots of ink... not drips. do you think the brake fluid would thicken it up enough or just keep adding the pens and shit for now? also in order to save the mop should I leave that ink in there until the other is done or what.

huge spots of ink?

u mean like little beads on ink thats suposed to be a solid line?

[alexhate]

its used to get me caps.

[soath]

huge spots of ink?

u mean like little beads on ink thats suposed to be a solid line?


no I mean like it drips out of the nib or the side of the nib a huge drop like dime size... it sucks. it's not staining well either so I'll just work on the ink. sick 2way pen tho... I should keep it full in order to salvage it until the inks ready right?

[noxi]

add more pens

[MontanaPainter]

off topis but w/e
http://walmartstores.com/Sustainability/7990.aspx
walk into a walmart with one of those new reusable bags in your hand basket

put paint in basket
put in bag

walk out?

[Queezy]

they usually want to check a reciept at the door if your leaving with bagged items.
I usually go with a friend put 2 backpacks in my cart out side, go in to the arts n crafts section and get t-squares foam boards, mini canvas, etc. Go the paint ask dude to open, fill her up, take cart to blind spot and fill both backpacks. You take 1, friend takes other and you leave the cart behind and head to the built in mcdonalds get a drink and dip.

[alexhate]

yes walmart is a store where finding a blind spot is important and even then. they will get sick of you and ban you.

[ansichrist]

hmm... a question, just bought a can of marsh from sweden (it's not available in finland)... what should i mix it with? because it's so thick it won't even come out from squeeze marker. textus wouldn't work, red inferno didn't work, some other inks i tried didn't work, the shit just separates.

[YNGLNS]

Any input on a mix with the following inks?

Winsor & Newton Black Indian Ink
Winsor & Newton Silver
Higgins Eternal
Speedball Super Black India Ink
Parker (Quink)

[tiny tim]

isnt transit material like buses made of some sort of plastic composite(the walls in sich)

[Mime1]

Any input on a mix with the following inks?

Winsor & Newton Black Indian Ink
Winsor & Newton Silver
Higgins Eternal
Speedball Super Black India Ink
Parker (Quink)

Ideally if you mix your urine ( piss ) then the high sodium content reacts and bonds with the Hydrocarbon pigments. Essentially this means you'll achieve a higher pigment ratio per 1mm ( better staining ) but also resistance to UV ( won't fade).

[Cesk]

hmm... a question, just bought a can of marsh from sweden (it's not available in finland)... what should i mix it with? because it's so thick it won't even come out from squeeze marker. textus wouldn't work, red inferno didn't work, some other inks i tried didn't work, the shit just separates.

Add some Garvey and put it in a kiwi =D

[tiny tim]

Ideally if you mix your urine ( piss ) then the high sodium content reacts and bonds with the Hydrocarbon pigments. Essentially this means you'll achieve a higher pigment ratio per 1mm ( better staining ) but also resistance to UV ( won't fade).

which one was that for

[Facedorateur]

I calculated that 40 pens would contain altogether about 16 ml of ink, could someone back me up on this?
So 16 ml of pen ink per half-a-cup of isopropilic alohol, and maybe add some urine in there.
And for the urine, do you have a approximate amount to put in?

[H3TT1NG3R]

I calculated that 40 pens would contain altogether about 16 ml of ink, could someone back me up on this?
So 16 ml of pen ink per half-a-cup of isopropilic alohol, and maybe add some urine in there.
And for the urine, do you have a approximate amount to put in?

hahahahaahahhahahaahahahahahhahhahaa

[Vagrant]

dude.....






















































































































































































































































































































don't use piss you gullible moron

[H3TT1NG3R]

hHhahah

[TASR]

Lolololollll

[PegCityBoy]

im making some pen ink soon... again ( my mom wasn't too happy about me mixing chemicals so she chucked it) any way so i got like 145 pens and the isopropanol but thats not my question

i went by staples today to get the pens and i figured id grab some of this shit...
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d106/Jason_5159/supplies010.jpg

and i was wondering.. should i add it to the batch of pen ink orrr use it on it's own. ad shit to it orrr wut thnx in advance

[SAID]

lol!

[H3TT1NG3R]

holyshit this question is asked over and over again!!!! we dotn know! what base is it?! what does oit have in it!? check it yourself

[Cesk]

LOLOLOLOL
WIN.
Sigged.

[Vagrant]

cant quite tell, but if it says acrylic dont use it.
acrylic has water in it.

most india or caligraphy inks have water in them

[H3TT1NG3R]

methylene blue and malachite green have water in them. that doesnt make them bad.

[Facedorateur]

Fine, i was a dumbass,
But no one answered my question,
Could anyone back me up on my measures : 16 ml of pen ink for half a cup of isoprpilic alcohol

[Vagrant]

you don't need to convert pens to milliliters. just use the number of pens
besides, you're using metric measurements for the pens but american for the alc?
yeah some pens have more ink than others but its not that big of a deal to be exact
and its isopropyl...

minimum 100 pens to 1 cup water

[H3TT1NG3R]

you can do whatever, thats a little small, your gunna want 50+ pens. dotn go by how many ml of ink tehre is, just add mroe and more until its as opaque as you want it to be

[Facedorateur]

thx guys (W00t im in a bunch of sigs)

[soath]

i piss in bucket paint to cover sometimes...

[Cesk]

i piss in bucket paint to cover sometimes...

Infamy mirite?

-

@Facedorateur
I mean it was obvious that you weren't gonna fucking piss in ink, it's like when people ask what's good for body art and someone says "Use Grog or Etch"
no h8 homie <3

[tiny tim]

Infamy mirite?

-

@Facedorateur
I mean it was obvious that you weren't gonna fucking piss in ink, it's like when people ask what's good for body art and someone says "Use Grog or Etch"
no h8 homie <3

infamy? wtf

[soath]

infamy? wtf

no idea. i know that word. lost the meaning in this context.

[illadelph]

you don't need to convert pens to milliliters. just use the number of pens
besides, you're using metric measurements for the pens but american for the alc?
yeah some pens have more ink than others but its not that big of a deal to be exact
and its isopropyl...

minimum 100 pens to 1 cup water

hey V, we got mad geniuses on here....

[Cesk]

no idea. i know that word. lost the meaning in this context.


infamy? wtf

When Toomr talks about he pisses in pain-.....
You kids are undereducated....

[mrkurto]

i can tell you straight up that parker quink (thats what its called)
is garbage.
it won't even bond properly on smooth surfaces.
use that shit for writing love letters to your grandma.

older parker inks were alcohol based and pretty legit, but all their new stuff is eco-friendly and water based

[ansichrist]

Add some Garvey and put it in a kiwi =D

...now i'll just have to find out where the hell i can get garvey here. :confused: ...damn finland & our ink selection. :mad:

[soath]

When Toomr talks about he pisses in pain-.....
You kids are undereducated....

i have never read anything by Toomr about pissing in paint. but if you aren't going to be able to buff what you want to because the paint is running out... i piss in it mix it up (latex) really well... till it looks frothy, then throw it on the wall and spread it with my roller. depending on the pee and color of the paint it can really help out in a pinch.

[tiny tim]

When Toomr talks about he pisses in pain-.....
You kids are undereducated....

i thought you were talkin about the documentary but i couldnt tell cuz i dont remember shit about pissin in paint

[tiny tim]

methylene blue and malachite green have water in them. that doesnt make them bad.

i agree water is fine as long as its found neccesary in an additive, nothing else though

[tiny tim]

triple post for da lulzrz

[MontanaPainter]

hey that face kid

immagunna punch you in the ear

[retnemed]

how do you make etch, or whatever that shit is that eats into glass

[H3TT1NG3R]

you dotn make it. you buy it. but YOU dont.

[retnemed]

yeah i just looked it up, thanks anyways though

[youKNOW]

i have never read anything by Toomr about pissing in paint. but if you aren't going to be able to buff what you want to because the paint is running out... i piss in it mix it up (latex) really well... till it looks frothy, then throw it on the wall and spread it with my roller. depending on the pee and color of the paint it can really help out in a pinch.

he says in infamy when he runs out of paint and hes doing a roller he pisses in the paint because hes nowhere near a place to get more or something like thattt

[soath]

he says in infamy when he runs out of paint and hes doing a roller he pisses in the paint because hes nowhere near a place to get more or something like thattt

oh yeah. i've read some reviews on that dvd, it's pretty good? a must see?

[Olick]

go on youtube. its thier.

n yah its good

[EgoZen]

go on youtube. its thier.

n yah its good

video.google.com and type in it:
infamy.mp4

you will find it whole ;)

[wpgtags]

yeah i just looked it up, thanks anyways though

he means YOU shouldnt be using it..

[Queezy]

a must see?
In my opinion the best graff documentary out there.

[Cesk]

What's the best idea on thinning silver rusto?
My cheap brand of thinner isn't leaving me with a smile on my face.

[H3TT1NG3R]

best way is just paint thinner.

[Queezy]

Xylene

[H3TT1NG3R]

yah but xylene eats at shit rapidly. you can use whatever, but i keep it simple

[H3TT1NG3R]

who was it that had a screenprinter? im lookign to buy one but i need more info and such

[Cesk]

who was it that had a screenprinter? im lookign to buy one but i need more info and such

Silkscreen?
Twas' me.

[Queezy]

There pretty expensive, be ready to drop about $500 plus, or make your own.

[H3TT1NG3R]

make my own? how exactly? haha

[Cesk]

There pretty expensive, be ready to drop about $500 plus, or make your own.

500 plus?
Are you fucking high?
I wasted 25 bucks and still got 3 metres of silver sticker paper and bottles of solvent.

[Queezy]

Don't know exactly how, but some dude in my silkscreen class made one for home use. Never asked him how he did it.

edit: $500 plus for the silk screen machine. Not the screen.

[H3TT1NG3R]

^oh i think your talkign about the liek photo sesitive machines, im talkign abotu teh ones with the mesh and you just use a roller or w.e. to apply the ink

[Queezy]

That's what i'm talking about to.

edit: http://cgi.ebay.com/Silk-Screen-Tee-Shirt-Printing-Press-NEW_W0QQitemZ190269215321QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item190269215321&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318

[Cesk]

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Ceeesk/PB250076.jpg
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Ceeesk/PB250078.jpg

Just alone all of that was like 10 - 12 bucks.

[H3TT1NG3R]

oh that looks weird. yeah im thinking of just like teh wood frame with teh screen. but yeah cesks got me informed.

[Cesk]

Yeah, I always make a fucking mess when screening, I can't help it.

[retnemed]

he means YOU shouldnt be using it..

why not?

[alexhate]

well if you think u need to make it or dont know you have to buy it, chances are you dont know enuf about it to use it in a safe and sane way.


also, you have bugs bunny in your sig.

[Olick]

yah but xylene eats at shit rapidly. you can use whatever, but i keep it simple

not that im aware of. i keep it stored in bottles and mops and nothing goes wrong with em. worst it done was loosen the tip but thats prolly cuz i shove a funnel down the neck stretching it.


and 100+ bucks for a clamp that u can make at homedepot? jesus christ. and cesk. do you think micheals carry's screen printing stuff?

[Olick]

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Ceeesk/PB250076.jpg
http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp170/Ceeesk/PB250078.jpg

Just alone all of that was like 10 - 12 bucks.

can you tell me what that bottle of clear stuff it?

and that black tin can lookin thing? might be the ink?






oh and etch will kill you :D

[Queezy]

Its silk screen cleaner and ink i'm pretty sure.

[retnemed]

well if you think u need to make it or dont know you have to buy it, chances are you dont know enuf about it to use it in a safe and sane way.


also, you have bugs bunny in your sig.

Well I know it fucks up your hands, and yes, I am aware I have bugs bunny in my sig.

[MontanaPainter]

thUgZ bUnNy

[Cesk]

can you tell me what that bottle of clear stuff it?

and that black tin can lookin thing? might be the ink?






oh and etch will kill you :D

The clear stuff is vinyl solvent and the black bottle is vinyl ink ^-^

-

Like I said, a picture of etch on skin will make my life complete.

[Olick]

etch on skin is not gonna make ur arm fall off. just wash it off with a rag. and after ur done playing with it go rub some baking soda and milk on ur hand and wash like u never washed before.

least thats what i do =D

[noxi]

The clear stuff is vinyl solvent and the black bottle is vinyl ink ^-^

-

Like I said, a picture of etch on skin will make my life complete.

there are pics of what happened on 12oz.

[alexhate]

Well I know it fucks up your hands, and yes, I am aware I have bugs bunny in my sig.

just sayin a person who has a very ******ish(black personish) bugs bunny in there sig migh not have good judgment.

might not? who am i kidding, i bet you got one of the flea market shirts with the yellow m&m thugged out with a rhinestone grill.

[bptitk]

How do you make ink not spot when it dries????

[alexhate]

do you think micheals carry's screen printing stuff

some sell a speedball kit, its the first kit i used. its nice has a few colors and a few ways to make the screen. i think its close to 60 bucks though.

but i have never seen them carry just ink or screens.

[soath]

some sell a speedball kit, its the first kit i used. its nice has a few colors and a few ways to make the screen. i think its close to 60 bucks though.

but i have never seen them carry just ink or screens.

just try to find a silkscreen supply company in yo area. usually a company cleans/ repairs the screens and supplies them with everything else in bulk. it's a little hard to weasel the info out of the local print/banner shop but if you say you r looking for a job or something you might find it out thru them. the supply company will have a listing somewhere anyways.

[soath]

In my opinion the best graff documentary out there.


thanks yo. never watched graff dvds b4. dope.

[Royals]

oh yeah. i've read some reviews on that dvd, it's pretty good? a must see?

Yeah its a dope movie. Worth a watch no doubt

[tiny tim]

just sayin a person who has a very ******ish(black personish) bugs bunny in there sig migh not have good judgment.

might not? who am i kidding, i bet you got one of the flea market shirts with the yellow m&m thugged out with a rhinestone grill.

thats exactly what i was thinking, all my *****z(black friends)(lol) have one of those shirts, or spongebob just to keep it real yafilmeh

either that or hes just a confused white kid from the suburbs

[fredom-writer]

ok anyone whos fucked around with mixing bucket paint? like when you just have a big thing of white wash paint and you add acrylic to it to make colors, is there anyway of making black? im guessing if i add carbon black it'll just turn Grey?

[Cesk]

there are pics of what happened on 12oz.

LINK PLEASE.
OMFG
I'll become your best friend.

[fredom-writer]

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1886/attaque20acide20flurohyuj7.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/604/etchgb9.jpg

[Olick]

and thats why you shouldnt do drugs.

lucky that hasnt happend to me yet =D

[noxi]

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1886/attaque20acide20flurohyuj7.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/604/etchgb9.jpg

yup thats what happens if you get etch on yourself.

[Cesk]

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww the 2nd picture looks horrid.

[Olick]

dude. just cuz hes black.....

[YNGLNS]

That's not the kind of etch people are typically talking about here. That's industrial shit.
The Armour Etch and Etch bath are pretty harmless, I mean don't bathe in the shit but if you get it on you wash it off, or if you're real nervous try pouring some milk on it to neutralize the acids.

[Olick]

^^i think hes got it. pure 100% hydroflouric acid will prolly fuck you up. but ive gotten small droplets of armour etch and i just simply wide it off. and wash my hands 10 minutes later with milk n baking soda. havnt had nething bad happen yet =D

[SAID]

was it the cream or bath that dropped on you ?

[Olick]

just cream. i cant get bath around here =[ i guess i should add that i REALLY washed my hands with milk and left the baking soda on thier

[SAID]

yeah dude it always happens to me too.
Dont worry about it, the first time I only noticed like 20 minutes later that it was on my skin and i was like WTFFF but t`was all good.

[MontanaPainter]

etch eats limestone or something like that

wait no, etch will kill you

[MARTYRaz]

ok anyone whos fucked around with mixing bucket paint? like when you just have a big thing of white wash paint and you add acrylic to it to make colors, is there anyway of making black? im guessing if i add carbon black it'll just turn Grey?
y dont u just go to the paint section at ur local hw store and look on the clerance rack for a bucket of black?/? they usually have it up ther bc people that mix the colors fuck up and make black sometimes and they wont throw it away b/c its like throwing away money....

[*KWIC*]

o put acrylic paint in my otr .160 mini and the paint wount flow to through the tip. any suggestions???

I Write FENE 1!

[Cesk]

o put acrylic paint in my otr .160 mini and the paint wount flow to through the tip. any suggestions???

I Write FENE 1!

Add water.

[Vagrant]

im rather tired of discussion on etch always finding its way into this thread.

etch isn't ink.
don't talk about it here.

[*KWIC*]

i did add water. the paint still wont flow through the tip. i dont know if i need a new tip or what but it wont go through.

I Write FENE 1!

[SAID]

Usually you keep paint mixtures for mops and not valve markers.
And we get that your write Fene 1 man,
seriously.

[*KWIC*]

so what do you suggest i put in my otr??

P.S. im just making sure that you guys know. keeping you guys on your toes. Oh and by the way............................................... ..........I Write Fene 1! he he he he. o.k that was the last one

[illadelph]

damn...dude's hands are mangled....milk really helps with burns?? you can use milk to wash gunpowder off your hands.....if you ever need to......just a lil' fact for the criminalsout there that like playin with pistols...

[Cesk]

Usually you keep paint mixtures for mops and not valve markers.
And we get that your write Fene 1 man,
seriously.

True say.

I write CESK 1!

[ohgawdxcarcrash]

etch is supposedly supposed to eat away all the calcium so milk would help.

[Cesk]

FUCK ADDING BREAK FLUID TO INKS.
NEVER FUCKING AGAIN.
I forgot to shake my ink, pumped my xtra wide and the break fluid clugged my nib.
FUCK.
FUCK.

I write CESK 1!

[*KWIC*]

what do YOU suggets i put in my otr mini??? i need all the tips i can get.

I Write FENE 1!

[ohgawdxcarcrash]

ink. pen ink, india ink, whatever ink you can get. it'll work better and be better than otr paint, or acrylic paint.

[SAID]

second'

[*KWIC*]

where can i rack india ink??

I Write FENE 1!

[ohgawdxcarcrash]

any art supply store. even in art class at school.

[MontanaPainter]

FUCK ADDING BREAK FLUID TO INKS.
NEVER FUCKING AGAIN.
I forgot to shake my ink, pumped my xtra wide and the break fluid clugged my nib.
FUCK.
FUCK.

I write CESK 1!
holy shit

i am actually sorry

that fucking BLOWS

can you get another one?

[*KWIC*]

can i just put some smash ink or shoe polish with brake fluid. would that be good enough. i think i might need a new nib.

I Write FENE 1!

[Olick]

shoepolish is perfect man

[tiny tim]

can i just put some smash ink or shoe polish with brake fluid. would that be good enough. i think i might need a new nib.

I Write FENE 1!

no you cant use shoe polish, secondly,why would you put brake fluid in shoe polish anyway when shoe polish doesnt stain=no stainers=no point in prolonging the drying time

peeyes, i thought smash kind of corroded plastic bodies like an otr, or so ive been told:mad:

*edit*you can use shoe polish but its water soluble
*editedit*200th post



uber points

[noxi]

Put smash ink.

I Write FENE 1!

[Cesk]

holy shit

i am actually sorry

that fucking BLOWS

can you get another one?

I might find a new nib, I guess I'll remember to shake that shit before use.


can i just put some smash ink or shoe polish with brake fluid. would that be good enough. i think i might need a new nib.

I Write FENE 1!

Yeah, get a new nib. Make some pen ink and have fun with that.

I Write CESK 1!

[Rambooboo]

i am sure this is in the thread but im too tired to look but yeah does anyone no a recipe or got a link to a bleed thru recipe be greatly appreciated

[ErrorOner...]

what the fuck is india ink good for? other than not staining and being easily buffed...
how's the UVresistance of that shit??? since its waterbased what would adding waterbased woodstain do?
i hate typing on my PS3!

[noxi]

Its used for drawing and shit.

I Write Fene 1!

[Queezy]

shut the fuck up
those resin dyes from michaels work well, added some to my green pen ink and it gives it a nice color depending on what dye you add.

[kroc_oner]

i made an ink tht drys in about 3 secs depends how much u squeezed

[noxi]

shut the fuck up
those resin dyes from michaels work well, added some to my green pen ink and it gives it a nice color depending on what dye you add.

you talking to me?

[H3TT1NG3R]

india ink never fades. thats a plus

[tiny tim]

yes it does, i mean, sumi and india are like the same shit right

[MARTYRaz]

but u can only use it on a few surfaces^^^

[tiny tim]

which one on a few surfaces

and i just fuckin realized its thanksgiving

[MARTYRaz]

happy thanx giving...india ink and sumi ink...same shit different names.... runs too much on smooth surfaces...works good on like painted shit tho and its dark...

[H3TT1NG3R]

pretty sure its pigmented, aka it doesnt fade. if its dye based, then i would stain and peopel would use it...

[ErrorOner...]

well people can still fucking use it. what makes it worse than, say...junobo?

[H3TT1NG3R]

im saying its good dude...

[HëRbN]

so... your saying india ink is good? isnt it just pigmented water and not overly permanent?

[H3TT1NG3R]

yes. not liek fantastic, but good,i mean it wont fade, and its weaterproof, tahts most peoples concern...so its basic. you could proly add some dyes and such and make an ill recipie, although youd proly have to boil it down, and add alcohol first

[tiny tim]

yeah you can actualyy put a little bit of water in the bottle once its empty and shake it up and end up with the same shit just like acrylics

[H3TT1NG3R]

once uve used it all up or once uve evaporated it all?

[tiny tim]

uh yeah and im pretty sure i figured out how to make ghetto grime




but its a seecrreeet


*edit* my bad i didnt know you posted i dint mean yah, i meant after youve used up the botle theres still like some stuff left on the insides, just drip a little bit of water in there and BAM.
what do you mean by evaporated

[H3TT1NG3R]

ok u dotn even know grimes properties, i could make pen ink tahts black and says its ghetto grime

[tiny tim]

l was just bullshittin really about the ghetto grime, but is it ok to discuss the properties here or what

[H3TT1NG3R]

yea, but we dotn kno what its liek yet, it hasnt been produced for us. But i mean like if u evaporate off all teh water out of the india link by boiling, then add alcohol

[tiny tim]

well isnt the base like dye and pigment, tryin to get something going. anyway are you saying you can boil india/sumi and just leave the pigmet after all the waters evaporated, never tried yet.
ELABORATE

[H3TT1NG3R]

yea. its pigmented, you can tell because it never fades, and it oesnt stain, meaning it must have soem pigment, and not much dye. The base is water, so you can boil off all teh water until it is a dryed up shit. Then you can use whatever to scrape that shyt up, crush it into a powder, and add alcohol to it, and mix it up until its good. Then you can proyl add dyes and stainers to mae a good mix

[tiny tim]

i have a better way to get pigment

[tiny tim]

and pen ink is dye based right

[H3TT1NG3R]

whats your better way? and yea pen ink is mostly dye, but has soem pigment. and dotn say carbon, because india ink has shit in it im pretty sure that helps bind it to teh solvent

[tiny tim]

im not sure if i should say cuz i make this in bulk from scratch. i might start somethin up with it all the pigment i have

[H3TT1NG3R]

ahha pm me...

[Olick]

he burns things

[H3TT1NG3R]

lame. btw if anyone ever wants to know what something is made of, liek if you didnt know the ingredients for etch, google the MSDS for it, its teh material safety data sheet, and it always has teh ingredients,

[Vagrant]

yep.. i put that in olicks ink cookbook

i <3 msds

speaking of which i need to send to you H3TT... my bad.

[H3TT1NG3R]

haha yea, tahts also why i sound half intligent on here, i dotn ask stupid questions, i just lok at the msds, and i can see whether or not im goign to kill myself when mixind 2 things

[H3TT1NG3R]

ok well im really bored, so im goign to blurt out a few recipes.

Hardd staining ill shiznit ink (beats the buff!)
***For indoors ONLY***
4oz Garvey as base
add 2 spoonfuls carbon powder
add like 7 drops meth blue
4 drops gentian violet
5 drops dot3
maybe some gloss if your feeling steezy

india ink-made good
-boil india ink until theres only like 1oz of water left in it
turn the heat down real low
add enough isopropanol so that its about 2oz less ink than it was before you boiled it
add about 10 drops CONCENTRATED meth blue
maybe some iodine if you feel liek it
add madd gloss
and like 6 drops dot3
**now u got some pretty goos staining ink that doesnt fade much**

ASSphalt ink
go grab some of taht roofing asphalt shit from somewhere, and make sure its ingredients have asphalt and liek mineral spirits or soemthing
then if its mega thick(proly is)
then thin it with 1/2 acetone 1/2 alcohol of any kind
Then add soem dyes and such.
woodstain if u got any

good bitumen ink(you gotta know how to make bitumen ink first, im nto tellign you how)
3/4 bitumen ink
1/4 oil woodstain
add madd iodine (crystals preferably)

pure dye ink
1/3 gentain violet
1/3 methylene blue
1/3 iodine(WITHOUT SUGAR)
then let that shit sit for a good while to evaporate
When its lookin pretty opaque, add some carbon to it, and blam. ypour done

melt some plastic, whites the best, and thin it with acetone or MEK.

s00per paink
make some acrylic thats madd thinned, BUT thin it with acrylic polymer emulsion, not water
Then add that 2/3 acrlylic to 1/3 dyes of corresponding color.
then put in mad gloss

tip if you really want something to stay up FOREVER(unless they paint over it)
make some ink that dries sharpie fast.
then bring epoxy already mixed, and brush it over your tag.
It will be impossible for the to buff it. Put wax over that if you really want them to be mad

Or in general, if you rub wax over your tags no-one can beef with ya, and when they try to buff it they'll have to deal with teh wax first.

hint:try makign ink out of plastics its pretty gay to buff it.

[ohgawdxcarcrash]

someone loves their garvey ^

[H3TT1NG3R]

haha its an excelllent base. im in love with the color. basic vioelt aka garvey aka gentian violet is liek the best color

[Mickey69]

hmmm

potassium permang is annyoing because it leaves a brown ghost.. thats not even that noticeable on most walls lol and u cant rly get meth blue or gentian violet crystals at the chemist or anything in AUS

any other stainers i can easily get that leave a mad ghost, thats not brown lol

[H3TT1NG3R]

brown is chil duudddeeee. and just get gentian violet at ur pharmacy, in an aqueous solution, no need for crystals

[MARTYRaz]

just go in and ask for the shit straight up???^^^

[H3TT1NG3R]

yea, but check next to the bandaids where the iodine is, sometimes its tehre.

[MARTYRaz]

good shit...thnx

[bptitk]

can someone pleaseeeeeee tell me how to get my ink to not spot on different surfaces. in other words how to get it to stick to all surfaces and not have little, or big spots in it

[Mickey69]

ok ill try the gentian violet liquid form... but ive heard its crap n not worth adding to ur inks.

between gential violet and methylene blue liquid forms... which one is better?

[tiny tim]

he burns things

god olick your embarassing in front of my friends
*runs away crying*
.....












anyway no i dont burn things, and lately ive actually been realizing its a real pain in the ass to do

[H3TT1NG3R]

ok ill try the gentian violet liquid form... but ive heard its crap n not worth adding to ur inks.

between gential violet and methylene blue liquid forms... which one is better?
i like gentian violet, its a really good color. but meth blue is darker. and you can always evaporate the liquid so its more concentrated

[FlippingChickens]

For those who use smash ink make sure u use it on the same day
leave it in ur mop for longer than a week it will just leave u with nothing but powder

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq287/flippinchickens/DSCN1791.jpg

[Baron]

Or you can just make your own smash ink with xylene and any oil based paint

[ohgawdxcarcrash]

xylene evaporates if not sealed right, and they used pigments.. hence the leftover powder.

[Cesk]

For those who use smash ink make sure u use it on the same day
leave it in ur mop for longer than a week it will just leave u with nothing but powder

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq287/flippinchickens/DSCN1791.jpg

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/3350/fsdfsdfsdfsdfsx1.png

Just in case we didn't think you were hardcore, I hope you get into a knife fight.

[TASR]

I didn't even notice those, nice eye.

[bptitk]

would someone plzzz answer my question, how can i make my ink stick to any surface without spotting

[Baron]

Make sure the surface is somewhat porous and don't add brake fluid.

[FlippingChickens]

Just in case we didn't think you were hardcore, I hope you get into a knife fight.


over here u need shit like that ppl get jumped on the daily
u never witnessed a knife fight before have you..not funny one bit

[FlippingChickens]

brake fluid will only make ur paint more flakey and chipy and it wont do any good for your ink idk why ppl keep mentioning it..that shit is history..try adding some pvc primer to ur inks if u want to do some damage

[Cesk]

over here u need shit like that ppl get jumped on the daily
u never witnessed a knife fight before have you..not funny one bit

Uhh.... kid. You live in Florida, near the Miami area, mirite?
I live in fucking mexico city and I don't even carry anything, I've witnessed more things than your cracker ass ever will... :)

[FlippingChickens]

Uhh.... kid. You live in Florida, near the Miami area, mirite?
I live in fucking mexico city and I don't even carry anything, I've witnessed more things than your cracker ass ever will... :)

seems u never been to miami..theres more blacks and cubanos than gringos and race has nothing to do with shit quit making yourself look stupid punk

[kroc_oner]

flipping how do u suck at graff when your in miami?

[Cesk]

seems u never been to miami..theres more blacks and cubanos than gringos and race has nothing to do with shit quit making yourself look stupid punk

And it's obvious you've never been to mexico city.
Walking through Miami at 12 am, theres 1/4 chances youll get mugged, walking through mexico at 10pm theres 3/4 chances youll get mugged.

[Mickey69]

i like gentian violet, its a really good color. but meth blue is darker. and you can always evaporate the liquid so its more concentrated

by boiling it right?

for how long?

dont want my kitchen turning purple lol

[H3TT1NG3R]

uh it might be better to evaporate it, but it wil take a logn time. if you want to boil it, you should have the liquid in something, then have a watchglass over the thing your boiling it in, maybe sure tehres somewhere that the vapor can get out, then on top of teh watchglass put some ice cubes, so taht if any gv boils off, it'lll crystalize on teh bottom of the watchglass, and not evaporate

[Mickey69]

uhh I dont think i have the competentcy lol

[H3TT1NG3R]

competentcy? patience?

[Mickey69]

competent lol

ye i have no patience... pretty hypo lol

anyways ill just buy the GV solution ! chemists and tattoo places sell it apparently (keep in mind im in AUS)

[bptitk]

ive already added brakfluid, would it help if i made it thicker??

[H3TT1NG3R]

^i have ni clue what your talkign about, and yea to mickey69, im pretty sure u wont loose any gv if u use the ice cubes method, but you might not get much crystals.

[bptitk]

iim just wondering if making my ink thicker will stop it from spotting, or not sticking to certain surfaces

[BLACKLISTED]

check first to see if it even dries completly.
that might be ur problem

if u dont mind me askin,
whats in it?

[H3TT1NG3R]

its either because the solvent your usign is wayy too polar, or youve mixed bases taht dont mix.

[bptitk]

its a mix of bingo dauber ink, thinned with vinigar, then like 6 or 7 packs of purple koolaid and about 4 drops of brake fluid. it has an amazing colour and it dries completly and stains hard, but it spots. it only spots on extremely smooth surfaces. if anyone knows how i can make my ink stick, please let me know.

[H3TT1NG3R]

tahts why. vinegar is water based, and water is really polar, try addign alcohol, or maybe using alcohol next time

[bptitk]

k will making it thicker help??

[bptitk]

and is there any way i can fix my ink

[H3TT1NG3R]

um try to add alcohol, but if taht doesnt work, your porly fucked, tahts a kinda wierd mix anyways, whyd u choose vinegar?

[bptitk]

haha its all i had then, and i read somewhere that it worked

[bptitk]

but thanx anyway

[H3TT1NG3R]

yea, it has to do wiht surface tension, the mroe surface tension, the more the ink will want to bead up, water has a lot of surface tension, and alcohol has less, i think acetone or any ketone might have even less st