The Ink Discussion Thread

[m+s]

dont know if it was posted before it probably wasbut im to lazy to read 525 pages ... i just fill empty markers with spray paint and if works great (depends on the quality of the paint some work better than others) and its fucking hard to buff ! crome paint is the shit...or montana for colors or any flat black

edit: and if your creative you can mix them i tryed purple montana with a bit of chrome and got a sick metallic marker

gaahaahahaha
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/flushing%20money%20down%20the%20toilet.jpg
what a waste

i dont care about how well it takes a buff, my only criteria is fade resistance. ive been using my own brew but it eats markers at the seams. is witches brew as ill as they advertise it to be? whats good?

[rush2]

just use ghetto krink

[live-EVIL]

i want to try something never done and i dont know if it wil work. if anyone ahs any knowledge about SECURITY INK TAGS and how permanent they are let me know. i work at a retail store with boxes and boxes of ink tags and cut out almost a dozen of those 2 inch glass tubes.i realize this stuff is highly permanent and does anybody know what would be the best way to make a flowpen or mop out of these ink? i am pretty sure it will work just dont know how to start off. plese help.

[Fury]

I'm not sure how you'd thin it, but my friend did it and said it's pretty good.

[sk8er6]

hettinger... u seem to lurk pretty frequently these days... any new recipes in the last 2 years or so? ive looked over the last few pages, and i havent seen much different.

ghetto krink/junobo
pen ink
acrylic mixes

pretty much classics i guess.


and a suggestion for the glow in the dark... use glow in the dark paint and thin it. i know they sell glow fabric paint at michaels, and its acrylic based, so yeah. or mix crushed glow chalk with a lightly colored thin acrylic paint, like white, or even some acrylic clear coat or glaze and run that through a mop. go try it out... most places in my city are too well lit for glow in the dark tags. keep that in mind.

[H3TT1NG3R]

no new recipies unfortunately, just fucken around with decos, grab a handful of ur desired color then pop em open and walah

[SAID]

gaahaahahaha
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/flushing%20money%20down%20the%20toilet.jpg
what a waste

i dont care about how well it takes a buff, my only criteria is fade resistance. ive been using my own brew but it eats markers at the seams. is witches brew as ill as they advertise it to be? whats good?

one of the best thigns about witches is that it goes on the darkest black possible. like its fucking OPAQUE.

[XCES]

i actually just did something new today. well new as far as i know. I took a 4oz clear body mop and put the contents of 4 jumbo sharp oil-paint pens in it, filled the rest up with some basic homemade red ink (pen tube and alcohol shit) and got this sick deep purplish blue. It goes on really opaque like a paint base but i did a quick buff test and it seemed to really come threw like a dye based ink. Not Quite as well as a dye based ink but i could still see it alright after the second coat of white. Im definatly going to rack some more of those pens from micheals and play around with different colors, i think im onto something here haha

[sk8er6]

kinda... its been done before. but yeah run with it. kinda like the kr markers. bleed through the buff paint.

and thanks for the update hett.

now back to the streets.

EDIT:

oh, and for these ghetto krink mixes, u can use charcoal starter fluid. its basically the same shit as mineral spirits as they are both mostly vm&p naphtha, and is way cheaper if u get some walmart/dollar store brands. it doesnt dry as fast as acetone, but it works.

speaking of acetone, you can use nail polish remover to thin gk as well. get the one with highest acetone content u can find. they sell that shit at dollar stores too. at dollar tree they sell a little tub of finger nail polish remover. its basically a small jar with a plastic anus on top for the women ladies to stick their fingers into to get the polish off. thats 100% acetone.

[immoral]

As you all know, long ago Mint G was hitting the scene here in my area. Well it is making a come back with Metal body, pump action markers.

We'll release more on this when we get the photos done and such.

[PREA672]

Smash ink!

[Solace_one]

A'ight, so my dumb-ass apprentice mixed me up some acrylic/brake fluid shit, and then he majorly over-thinned it with water. Now, it's pretty dope, dries in a heartbeat on painted surfaces, but my nib is RIP on my pump-system and when I tried putting it in markers, it drained right back out. Wtf? Can I boil it back down or something? Or is it worth it to try?

I've been stuck on Marks-A-Lot recently, killin' them city busses... very nice. I got a handfull from the public library--I'm too fucking poor to buy anything....

[whatunead]

what do you use to thin india ink? i filled an empty k-71 with india ink, and it wont full absorb into the nib--it just stays on the surface. even if i juice it before a tag, halfway through it starts gettin streaky. ive used india ink in mops before with wonderful results.

[plumbererer]

chances are your nib is clogged from what the k71 was filled with before. and also, india ink is a poor choice to use for inks in general. just saying.

[H3TT1NG3R]

yea india ink is good for bb's and shit but it wont stand too well outside.

[ErrorOner...]

Yo hett I was on here years ago and you posted a bitumen recipe that uses DAP roof sealant. I tried to find it to no avail...do you happen to know it still??

[H3TT1NG3R]

hrm idk about the roof sealant, but if it says it has bitumen in it, al u gotta do is thin it with naphtha, like too much so its really thin, then filter it a couple times, cuz i think they put sand and shit in it.

then boil it down so its a good opaque, u can always add more naphtha to thin it.

[whatunead]

i dont know. india ink is a hell of alot doper than krink. good drips, good opacity, doesnt fade....pretty easy to buff but leaves a ghost depending on the surface.

[Olick]

well hai guys.


some things never change eh? its beena long time. i still got mah cookbook haha. just wanted to say i miss you guys :( dont really right no more but knowledge is still good

so i dont spam

all you *****s who still call it ghetto krink

get with the times. mineral spirits is shit, xylene does the job more efficiently.

want to compare? mix 1/2 mineral spirits with 1/2 aluminum rusto

then mix 1/2 xylene with 1/2 aluminum rusto.



you will notice a huge difference in preformance.


your welcome.

take care guys. i prolly wont be back for another 3 months haha.

[H3TT1NG3R]

^haha i remmber ur extensive experimentation with ghetto krink! lol good shit man

[ribcage]

would wood finish like tung oil or a lustre based finish thin paint? dont got thinner left, but would rather not waste my paint than experiment wit something that wont work

[massacreman]

i have no idea man...


Can you think latex paint with alcohol?
Is there any way to make it more permanent?
Is it legit to put it in a mop?

This may sound dumb, but I'm usually more an ink guy.

[weedeater]

you can thin latex paint with water. no need to waste your alcohol. as far as permanency goes your better off with latex indoors. i hit a dumpster with latex paint in a kiwi mop, came back the next day and they had apparently tried to wash it off with a water hose. it just made a huge mess and made the tag look wayyyyy too drippy. still there however.

[creatorkid2333]

i found glue mops to be the drippiest and the best ink ive used is from a store called ac moore arts and crafts.. they have permenant ink there and it drips nicley and will stay forever.

[creatorkid2333]

drippiest mops used*

[massacreman]

i just got a couple of buckets of acrilic based paint
want to make it into mop paint that is permanent
any ways on how to do that?
would thinning it with alchohol make it more permanent than if i think it with water?

[Solace_one]

Where the FUCK do you get Xylene...?

And what makes Marks-A-Lot SOOOOO much doper than Sharpies?

Could anyone make ink from freaking pencil lead? It would be this sick graphite color...!

[massacreman]

google
idk the additives make it "doper"
no

[chief]

has anyone ever mixed corio colors with marsh ink? i hear it works great with garvey but corios got way doper colors

[cream1]

fuck, whats in them bank bombs? i gotta get my hands on that shit

[namesmeannothing]

Smart..I do the same..get some orange and a emty uni paint and viola

[nah!]

i'm gonna be making PEN INK i can get some rubbing alcohol but what do i need to add after i'm not sure if i can get dot 3 in england.

[skinaone]

one of my favorite home made ink well its not ink but check it
OIL based paint
gasoline
and a squezer ( i use mine with no nib like a cold silicon bottle)
so ok
half of a half a cup of oilbase paint
half a cup of gasoline ( any type of gas)
mix it VERY VERY GOOD
put it on the squeezer and there you goooooo

[nah!]

what does the petrol/gas do??

[ribcage]

@nah you only put dot 3 in your ish if you want to run/ have drips, dot 3 thins your shit more than rubbing alcohol. and a lot of recipes call for only 40-50 pens and 1/3 cup alcohol, if your using color other than black or dark blue, double or triple the amount of pens if you want danky ink and not shitty ink that fades

[nah!]

i thought the dot 3 makes it stain harder?

[ribcage]

Its corrosive if thats what you mean.... the amount of potency + pigment in your ink from the pens and additive is whats going to make it stain... if it was for staining people would have mixes with a brake fluid base, but that wont work.

[skinaone]

gass is to thin the paint down and it makes it dry faster

[FishHookzABA]

idk if this has ever been brough up but goo gone xtteme cleaner makes and EXCELLENT thinner for ink. its a blend of xylene pure alcohol and acetone

[ribcage]

too acidic to put in a plastic mop tho, if you got a thick marker its all good. You can mask the smell of it w/ a little of your favorite kool aid

[skinaone]

kool aid? for real? ima try alcholo and kool aid ahahah and see

[nah!]

theres this container in my shed think its petrol/diesel not sure lol

[ribcage]

kool aid? for real? ima try alcholo and kool aid ahahah and see

alcohol+kool aid is great for drinking, but only really for lighter substances, like vodka or tequila, no whiskey. but yeah kool aid will make your horribly alcoholish smelling ink smell good for a while, the smell doesnt last forever though

[nah!]

alcohol+kool aid is great for drinking, but only really for lighter substances, like vodka or tequila, no whiskey. but yeah kool aid will make your horribly alcoholish smelling ink smell good for a while, the smell doesnt last forever though

i think he means alcohol for ink

[Eclectic Boogaloo]

you're a dumbass

[nah!]

you're a dumbass

no U

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i made some paint but it doesn't dry is there anything i can add to make it thinner and dry faster will 90%+ alcahol work?

[skinaone]

bro yall never know how can someone make ink it not a bad try to mix kool aid in alcohol maybe if you put some illadels ink poder adn som kool aid into the allcohol it will work
so gtf i tried it last night it comes out hella nice
and NAH paint cant dry faster its paint not ink

[skinaone]

alcohol+kool aid is great for drinking, but only really for lighter substances, like vodka or tequila, no whiskey. but yeah kool aid will make your horribly alcoholish smelling ink smell good for a while, the smell doesnt last forever though

ohh ok but i mixed some illadels poder adn kool aid ahahaha

[nah!]

and NAH paint cant dry faster its paint not ink

no the paint is taking DAYS to dry

[ribcage]

what kind of paint base is it? acrylic or latex? but uuuh try making it thicker not thinner... putting spirits or thinner into it will make it take even longer to dry. If your paint is too thin or too runny then throw it out, cause im pretty sure there is no way to make it thicker unless its an acrylic base

[nah!]

it was some petrol+oil based paint.. woo found some white spirit :) if i mix that with oil based paint will it work ok?

[ribcage]

how thick is it? you made it your self with a petroleum base? Putting spirit in it will only make it thinner... it wont dry quicker, u need to find some sort of additive, try putting in petroleum jelly, if its a petroleum base than that should thick it up. Then if you make it thicker/too thick you can put in thinner or mineral spirits....if it was originaly oil based paint and u put in petroleum thats why its taking so long to dry

[nah!]

no i meant making a new batch batch white spirits + oil based paint.

but when that stuff finally dries it comes off in this weird rubbery stuff.

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gonna throw out that stuff that takes days to dry and make a new lot

[ribcage]

if your making ghetto ink than yeah you could do that, and yeah, most the stuff thats in buckets is latex paint

[skinaone]

just use oil based paint and gas to thin it down im not kidding try that and see
you can even put more gas then paint and it will still be opaque

[ribcage]

But why would you want that? Honestly im not into the whole ghetto junobo/krink by just thinning bucket paint unless theres nothing else obtainable to use... But having ghetto ink that is more gas than paint doesn't sound all that great, sounds like it would be waaay to thin and take forevor to dry, which is lame cause if your in a crew and someone else sees a wet tag of yours theyre bound to fuck it up

[nah!]

it work pretty well ecepted it scratches off

[ribcage]

thats because ghetto ink isnt really ink... its still paint

[SilentVandal]

do any of you guys know how to stop pen/alc ink from fading?

[skinaone]

new mix
NAIL POLISH AND NAIL POLISH REMOVER its awwwwwwwwssssoooooomeeeeeeeeee dries in about 2 mins
amount depends on how you like your paint/ink

[nah!]

lol

u can paint ur toenails, u can paint yur fingernails, you can paint any nails.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiZ35DwVyXw

i am not saying the ink is good i never tried

[skinaone]

lmao
ohhh wups that didnt work out to well LMAO
to bad nah was the one that put the vid up

[nah!]

???

skip to 2:20 if you just wanna see what i mean

[SnitchAndDiss]

Hey guys im new to these forums. i moved out of my house and dont have a place to mix my inks. i was wondering in anyone ever used the dykem bleed thru markers? i wanted the extract the ink and mix it with my grog and garvey mixture. will it work properly or eat my mop?

[manik00]

hey what would ppl recommend to mix with say grog or nero? just to make it that bit better

[nah!]

those inks are fine. leave them

[manik00]

alright thanks nah! also has anyone tried those additives? or is it pretty much the same as adding brakefluid

[HëRbN]

i'm gonna be making PEN INK i can get some rubbing alcohol but what do i need to add after i'm not sure if i can get dot 3 in england.
Fish oil, like the vitamin supplement. bust a cap or 2 open depending on how much your making. Also dot3 really isnt that important unless its a stainer-heavy ink. And if you can get PVC primer over there, the purple one, it will pay divedends to use that instead of alcohol.

[HëRbN]

How can you try and make an ink better if you dont know what your trying to improve. Dont worry about improving store inks if you cant make one just as good from scratch.

And get outside and catch some tags. Dont worry about making mad crazy ill bombin ink son...



Unrelated: Is H3ttinger still around? or Bizerk?

[manik00]

hey i was wondering if i was to mix an oil based paint say its white with a lil waterbased colour paint would it still be useable for the gk recipe? or would the waterbased paint stuff it up

[HëRbN]

Does water and oil mix normally? Nope. And it stills holds true when its in paint. If you want color go to an art store and buy a small tube of oil paint and add a lil bit for pastel like colors and alot for vibrant colors

[spiltink]

ok so i bought some red nero d inferno

[spiltink]

i need info on wood dye based inks!!!!

my first try i tried mix red wood dye with nero red but messed up!

second i tried to mix it with white/natural spirit and its the same !

what can i put in nero d inferno red to make it actually be a good ink instead of some gay shit

can i make pen ink with wood dye since it contains naptha and dye?

[Strange Journeys]

boners

[CANADIANA]

what can i put in nero d inferno red to make it actually be a good ink instead of some gay shit


pilot or marsh will mix well with Nero.

And for the future, BLACK is the best color to get nine times out of ten (the exception of course being garvey)

[spiltink]

they had red or blue, no black

[CANADIANA]

Then i would have passed on it altogether...
The differences between different colors from the same company are pretty substantial sometimes. pilot black is baller and fades the least. Blue and green will fade in a week. Red might take a bit longer but will eventually bite the bullet

[HipsterPunks]

Hey just alittle tip if you guys are goons like me and mix/fill ur markers without latex gloves on. Inks can be difficult to remove off your hands but i found using a gritty baking soda tooth paste instead of soaps removes inks and paints off skin like no other. Plus your hands smell good afterwards, your welcome :)

[Saul Gud]

Mixed ink into this krink marker with a metal tip and it works really well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaRjx8uDbWE

[Coleo]

i gotta nasty recipe for a real thik ink!

[mace2200]

^ya dude when i get a mop u gotta make me some!!!!!

[Coleo]

I will!

[Risk_Inicijativa]

What kind of nibs? Normally nibs or i can put face cotton nibs?

[CANADIANA]

Wat?

[Skadeem]

So I searched a lot and I feel like searching no more.

Is anyone viewing this experienced enough to actually tell me accurately how much koolaid or carbon dust to put in every cup or ounce of ink? I don't wanna waste any as cutting up pens has proved to be an annoying god damn process

[MTK]

put in a little at a time... if you need more add more... I know that when people say "experiment is the best way to find a good ink" is a load of bs but its true. just experiment

[Skadeem]

^I guess you gotta learn a lot of things yourself learning this kind of shit. In with the carbon

[MTK]

ya bro. same with mops, wheatpaste... you just got to experiment with new things/ ingredients

[ッℤëкℯ]

Just made some pen ink using over 130 pens and about to make some Ghetto Junobo

51053

sorry pic so big

[home.grown.twinkie]

Firstly, I'd like to apologize ahead of time if I'm doing something wrong with what I'm about to post.
But I'm somewhat new to writing.
Anyways, I made an NYC Mop out of a Mitchum Roll on Deoderant Bottle, a Marble, and Felt until I buy my own mop. It works like a fuckin' Charm.
My grandmother used to be an artist in her younger years, and she gave me a SHIT TON of Oil-Based paints. All sorts of colors, Black, Blue, Green, A big ass bottle of Titanium White, etc. All I did was put some of the paint from the squeeze tubes into an empty water bottle, added some naptha, and it thinned the paint out. I added more paint to make it darker and thicker(It was really light at first) and then I went out and used it. at first it dripped wayyyy too much. But, now it doesn't drip at all, & I get thick, dope lines.
I was told to use Paint-Thinner and Oil-Based paints for Ghetto junobo, but if I were to use colors then I'd have to use canned paint mixed with the Oil-Based paints..
Why?...Why cant I just thin the paint out with naptha/lacquer thinner, and then add some sort of liquid to make it hard to buff out? i.e. DOT3?
Again, I apologize completely if I sound epically retarded. I'm totally new to this, try to flame me too hard.

[BennyBoii]

don't put dot 3 in paint, paint hardens on a surface and DOES NOT stain, put dot 3 in INK not paint

[m aster of seduction]

home your avatar makes me angry

[Eurothrash]

My grandmother used to be an artist in her younger years, and she gave me a SHIT TON of Oil-Based paints. All sorts of colors, Black, Blue, Green, A big ass bottle of Titanium White, etc. All I did was put some of the paint from the squeeze tubes into an empty water bottle, added some naptha, and it thinned the paint out. I added more paint to make it darker and thicker(It was really light at first) and then I went out and used it. at first it dripped wayyyy too much. But, now it doesn't drip at all, & I get thick, dope lines.

Dude, I think you completely messed up some good fine art paint. That stuff will get buffed and weathered before you know it. This paint is not intended for outside use and wil fade in no time.

[BennyBoii]

uhmm... i think oil based will get buffed no matter what you put in it, but i'm pretty sure it won't fade, hell i use watered down acrylic paint cuz i'm a broke motherfucker and it does't fade

[bryanmoyer_82]

i was wondering if anyone when making ink with pens added like sharpies or marker ink to the batch?... will it help or what or just fuck the batch up?.... thanks

[BennyBoii]

it will help it a little bit... but not that much, unless you rack them i don't really see the point

[eipe]

Just 2 quick questions,

Is there much difference between alcohol based inks and water pigment based inks as far as outdoor fading/staying power is concerned?

Whats this additive powder my Local writing supplies shop has... made of?

[BennyBoii]

the alcohol based ink would fade very fast... theres things you can put in it to stop it from fading as fast, and i've never used water based ink so i could't tell you. as far as this additive goes... it could be anything, a little independent research could't hurt

[CANADIANA]

they would both fade pretty fast. The alcohol would fade the least quickly. Like mentioned above dyes/alcohol inks should be mixed with something else. I probably wouldnt use any water based ink. But water based acrylics arent too bad if your on a budget, but will be buffed very easily.

And no idea whats in the staining powder, never used it. probably never will

[stien]

i steal all of myn from my art class

[NOKi]

Anybody ever try car touch up paint in a mix an is it a bad combo with iso? like toxic?

[NanaKillsKMC]

60032
Come Up or Not?
Found this paint in a Target cart today
reciept had a bunch of school supplies
can still return them. but would rather ask
can these cause damage on the floor?

[MASTAH_RIBCAGE]

did u read the labels? lol. By the looks of it, if u have hard wood floor, no, probably not. Any paint, acrylic or oil, wll most likely fk up your carpet.

[subcyde]

Never use acetone as a base in ur ink, i lerned that the hard way!

[NanaKillsKMC]

did u read the labels? lol. By the looks of it, if u have hard wood floor, no, probably not. Any paint, acrylic or oil, wll most likely fk up your carpet.

Actually I tried this out yesterday. Im gonna go back to check it out, see if it dried or not.

[MASTAH_RIBCAGE]

do u want it to stain the floor?

[Jems]

DYKEM INk, suck a dick otherwise. The shit will go over latex on metal and still stain past the latex buff...

[CANADIANA]

Are you talking about the dykem steel markers? They are pretty sick

[aiko]

anyone used or like witches brew? considering picking some up

[subcyde]

anyone used or like witches brew? considering picking some up
how old are you?

[NOKi]

how old are you?

Old enough to party

[NOKi]

So I found some tempera paint mixed it with some stuff an got a pretty nice color out of it an it flows alright just got to get a lil more ingredient to thin it so it aint streaky but it's nice an bright anyone else tried using it before? I havn't been back to my tags due to work an what not but I will soon I just hope it doesn't chip or peel.

[aiko]

how old are you?
I recall receiving a friend request from you in my inbox....

[subcyde]

ya i want to get to know some graffiti artists that live close to me

[R3bel1995]

hey yall, i tried making some ink with isophoric alcohol and pens, i only used black pens, and the ink came out this strange shade of pinkish-red… any ideas why??:

[corome]

is india ink good, i heard some types stain really hard, and its pretty cheap

[HëRbN]

No india ink blows, its water based, So does Tempura paint. throw it at the homeless.

And r3bel it could be the alc you used or if you used way to few pens and too much alc.

Most of you needa hit the toy ink forum. This should be for more advanced work and recipes not questions easily answered by reading.
Ive heard witches brew is decent havent used it, im sure its similiar to any other graff ink.

120 Blackpens, 1/4 cup 99% alc OR PVC primer,which i prefer, and some garvey. a timeless classic

And theres nothing wrong with acetone, its can be used if used correctly, as can naptha. a small amount of pvc primer works wonders in toy ink recipes, it can replace or be mixed with alc.



And acrylic is ONLY good for the colors. it wont stain or last, it can be peeled of non porous surfaces. its really only good for crazy colors in mops where it wont get buffed for a bit.

Also Resin Dye from micheals or other craft store work well for color and staining capabilitys. Come in a 3 box, blue orange and red i beleive. orange is pretty useless

[CANADIANA]

yeah india ink sucks
witches brew is ok but its kinda thick. a dab of garvey helps.

[graffitiWISCONSIN]

So I found some tempera paint mixed it with some stuff an got a pretty nice color out of it an it flows alright just got to get a lil more ingredient to thin it so it aint streaky but it's nice an bright anyone else tried using it before? I havn't been back to my tags due to work an what not but I will soon I just hope it doesn't chip or peel.

dude tempera paint will suck for graffiti paint. it will come off with just water more than likely. it's made for little kids to paint with because they are a little more messy & probably will spill. it's just temporary. they have it because acrylics stain clothes. trust me, the colors might be really good but unless you're looking to get buffed with no hassle then don't use the tempera paint

[graffitiWISCONSIN]

ok if people are willing to spend some money then I know how to make pigmented ink from scratch.

buy some dry pigments, linseed oil, japan dryer, & paint thinner.

step 1: pour the dry pigments out onto your surface (glass works best) & make it like a bowl with the hole in the middle or whatever. you get what i'm saying I hope.
step 2: fill the hole with linseed oil & take your pallet knife or whatever you got to stir. Then just stir it up until you got it all mixed together. if you're not comfortable with that then add more oil but you don't want to much oil or it won't be as opaque & it will be shitty.
step 3: put your paint in a bucket & reapeat steps 1 & 2 until you have as much paint as you want. then add paint thinner to it until it's nice & thin.
step 4: add your japan dryer to it then just stir it up. the higher quality pigments that you use the better staining & everything it will be.
i'm not gonna give exact proportions that I use because i'd be giving out my good recipe then. this does cost quite a bit of money & took me a hell of a long time to save up for but it's worth it in the end

[CANADIANA]

Cool idea. I wonder if subbing the paint thinner out for xylene will make it any better.

[graffitiWISCONSIN]

Cool idea. I wonder if subbing the paint thinner out for xylene will make it any better.

xylene is just a different form of paint thinner I think. another thing is my recipe I gave is actually paint not ink. o & xylene causes cancer

[CANADIANA]

Pretty sure xylene is a diffirent solvent altogether. I'm not a chemist or anything though so idk. And Im not too concerned about the slim to none possibility I'll get cancer from xylene

[graffitiWISCONSIN]

[QUOTE=CANADIANA;1791901]Pretty sure xylene is a diffirent solvent altogether. I'm not a chemist or anything though so idk. And Im not too concerned about the slim to none possibility I'll get cancer from xylene[/QUO

yea that's true. i've been using uni's which have a huge xylene smell & xylene content. also i've been using decos & shit so I think it's fine

[HëRbN]

Xylene has been found to lead to cancer. but so has everything else.. i wouldnt suggest using it to paint on people. And yes it is different then your average paint thinner. If you thing about it it has to be a smoother flowing thinner ink/paint to flow through the type of nib that a valve action pump marker uses. Especially when metal flake or pigment
is added

[HëRbN]

ok if people are willing to spend some money then I know how to make pigmented ink from scratch.

buy some dry pigments, linseed oil, japan dryer, & paint thinner.

step 1: pour the dry pigments out onto your surface (glass works best) & make it like a bowl with the hole in the middle or whatever. you get what i'm saying I hope.
step 2: fill the hole with linseed oil & take your pallet knife or whatever you got to stir. Then just stir it up until you got it all mixed together. if you're not comfortable with that then add more oil but you don't want to much oil or it won't be as opaque & it will be shitty.
step 3: put your paint in a bucket & reapeat steps 1 & 2 until you have as much paint as you want. then add paint thinner to it until it's nice & thin.
step 4: add your japan dryer to it then just stir it up. the higher quality pigments that you use the better staining & everything it will be.
i'm not gonna give exact proportions that I use because i'd be giving out my good recipe then. this does cost quite a bit of money & took me a hell of a long time to save up for but it's worth it in the end

Those of you interesting in pigments, this is some expensive knowledge he just dropped, Much easier than using shellac and other chemical components. Using a semi expensive drawing charcoal in the blackest you can find ground to a fine dust with a mortar & pestle works well for inks as well once you get the hang of it, but it still has to be suspended.

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Normal paint thinner will not thin synthetic enamels and blend with other chemical solvents or adhesives. Xylene Does.

I also Dabbled with N-Heptane, Basicly rubber cement thinner. Serious stuff, evaporates almost instantly and because of this if you mix it into a metallic ink with xylene it does really trippy stuff lol. the metal will never settle and continuously keep itself rolling and flowing even if just sittin in a cup for several hours till the heptane evaps, fun to experiment with but i didnt find alot of good in it for ink making.




EDIT: Are H3TT1NG3R or Bizerk still lurking anywhere?

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Those of you interesting in pigments, this is some expensive knowledge he just dropped, Much easier than using shellac and other chemical components. Using a semi expensive drawing charcoal in the blackest you can find ground to a fine dust with a mortar & pestle works well for inks as well once you get the hang of it, but it still has to be suspended.

yea it's super expensive but if you're thinking about starting a buisness this would be worth it. my friend who owns illadel taught me how to do it

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grog seems to be my favorite. it's hard to buff (i have done buff test and seen my tags try to be buffed) and bleeds through really well. it also is very controable and able to go from no drips to lots of drips depending on what kind of marker your using. i used to use illadel or whatever its called with the bleed through additives and that worked amazing but my local graf store stopped carrying that so i just go with grog now. they have this sick magenta color which shows really well and will let you right over most tags