The Ink Discussion Thread

[H3TT1NG3R]

ahah smaxxxx and ya dotn say that cuz i could be wrong, watch as biz or rouge comes in and like points out all my mistakes hha

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

i know lmao...i was thinkin the same thing

[SAID]

hows the white DED ?

[Steel!]

bumb^^^ i wanna know too haha.

ohh and.. i know the pro's and cons of inside job and outdoorsman.. but.. what do u guys use? is there a way to make insidejob fade less?

fuck that. there prolly is. and its prolly really obvious. but im too lazy to find out. bring on tha bitchin :p

[Rogue]

White DED is just like black outdoosman, just white.

Some people mix both DED's together, which you can do, and it actually works pretty well. Both DED's have the basic same recipe, but with diferent bases and some extras in each mix.

[Steel!]

hmmm that actually makes sense.. is it just a 50/50 mix?

[Olick]

White DED is just like black outdoosman, just white.


i love how your so precise about everything :D



"sarcasm"

[fonone]

will adding grog and a little bit of flowpen ink to pen ink be a waste of quality ink?

recipy:
500ml methlated spirits
50 black pens
10 blue
one hlighlighter tube
charcole
dot 3
methaline blue
wood stain

Also, when i use my ink there is a top layer with is super easy to buff, it just wipes off but it leave a nice dark blue stane after, what could this be?

i was told you couldnt use methalated spirits for pen ink :S? could only use denatured alcohol or isopropyl or w/e?

[alienchild123]

i was told you couldnt use methalated spirits for pen ink :S? could only use denatured alcohol or isopropyl or w/e?

you can, its about 70% alc

[ekimboi1]

i think if you cant make ink/paint on your own after you are given the directions, proportions, etc., then you should not use it!!

[Olick]

yup. i hate the fact that thier are like 50 recipes in this thread. but only like 2 have actuall perportions of everything.

you all suck at writing recopies. =]

[H3TT1NG3R]

heres a simpl lil one for ya
1/4 cup of 91 or higher % alcohol
20-25 pens, any color
5-10 drops of brake fluid
5-10 drops methylene blue or liek a pinch if in powder form

there you go quality simpel ink

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

some ones gonna hate on dat ^^

[anti-anti-crime]

heres a simpl lil one for ya
1/4 cup of 91 or higher % alcohol
20-25 pens, any color
5-10 drops of brake fluid
5-10 drops methylene blue or liek a pinch if in powder form

there you go quality simpel ink5-10 drops is way to many for that proportion, it would only tak 2 or 3 drops for it to stain harder, if u have that many its gunna take more than a fuckin day for the ink to dry.

[H3TT1NG3R]

not really, dries fine for me.

[sir.one]

heres a simpl lil one for ya
1/4 cup of 91 or higher % alcohol
20-25 pens, any color
5-10 drops of brake fluid
5-10 drops methylene blue or liek a pinch if in powder form

there you go quality simpel ink

how much fucking ink are you making with A FORTH OF A CUP?

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

LMAO !

well not alot ..20-25 pens...that seems like the perfect amount of alchohol to me

[H3TT1NG3R]

mkay 1/4 of a cup is more than enough to fill a marker, i dont want to make alot cuz i liek to make different colors n stuff, and i dotn want to be stuck with thge same ink for too long

[NoWorries]

I just grabbed a shit load of India ink from my art department. What do i have to do to make this go though a marker?

thanks,
ppeaCE

[sir.one]

nothing. just pour it in.

[Olick]

i should kill you

[ohgawdxcarcrash]

if i mixed ded outdoorsmen with griffin, would it add staining power?
or just weaken it.

[thesilentvandal]

ded outdoors men is good by itsself

[ohgawdxcarcrash]

yeah i know, but buffs a little easier. so if i add some griffin, would it be any better or just weaken?

[Steel!]

you might as well also mix in some FAIL with it..

[Officer Don Eval]

where do u get FAIL? i searched all over and cant find it and i asked my mom too she hasent heard of it.

[kog_throwie]

outdoorsmen is oilbased, i think griffin is alcohol based?
but if its not, i dont see why it would make it weaker.

[Sazer]

does dot4 brake fluid work as well as dot3??

[MESN[905]]

no

[Rogue]

where do u get FAIL? i searched all over and cant find it and i asked my mom too she hasent heard of it.

hahahaha

[dred]

im making some...whatever the fuck it is and if anyone can give me any suggestions to this it would be appreciated.

-oil based paint
-paint thinner
-brake fluid

is that alright?

[MUSEone]

nah dude.

mix 1 part fail with 1 part kill yourself.


yes......thats fine.

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

hey its the mysterious MUSEone...everyone tuck your balls...lmao :-p

[Olick]

hah,. were assholes

dont add breakfluid

dont listen to that "grafitireview" guy on youtube.

end
of
story

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

lmaooo !! break fluid is like 70 or 60% acid tho..eat threw the wall dont it..

[H3TT1NG3R]

^ya but it doesnt go with paints, only inks

[MUSEone]

i say it fails all together.

pointless shit unless u know the EXACT proportions, and they are correct in the first place.

[Mime1]

I've tried the fiebings alcohol based dyes Im just wondering if anybody has tried their black oil based dyes ? I've been thinking of getting some and mixing it with their oil based stainers aswell. Is the dye any good in the first place ?

EDIT Sorry MUSE i ment tried

[MUSEone]

Wat do u mean by dried?

Evap?

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

preety sure he means TRIED

[dopenessism]

today i was in this abandoned gas station type place and found myself a gallon of garvey stencil blsck ink, now i put it in a mop but when i write with it, its really transparent, wh
y is this and is there anything i can do to fix it?

thanks

[MUSEone]

Uhh, u found Garvey at a gas station?

[Mime1]

today i was in this abandoned gas station type place and found myself a gallon of garvey stencil blsck ink, now i put it in a mop but when i write with it, its really transparent, wh
y is this and is there anything i can do to fix it?

thanks

Pics or it didn't happen

[letsg0skate]

a gallon rofl

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

that has to be the most random unbeleivable story i have ever heard..out of the blue u go into an abandoned gas station and find some garvey?...isnt garvey for shoes..

why would it be in a gas station son..

[H3TT1NG3R]

it was probably gasoline ahhahahha

[harry]

lol some petrol in a garvey bottle, kid just do a tag with whatever the fuck is in your mop "petrol" then light it on fire and burn your tag into the whatever your writing on

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

nice idea...^^ lmfao..i always wanted to do a solid fill with gold paint

( idk peope who huff says that gold gets then the highest ) ..

then light the whole thing on fire...

[harry]

thats how 3 quaters garvey 1 quater krink in a krink marker holds up to methylated spirits

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc148/flowyorkbts/graff086.jpg

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

^^ niceeeee ..basically didnt even effect it

[dopenessism]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w154/newkidsontheblockk/mission%20from%20god/HPIM0417.jpg

why would i lie?
can someone answer me now please?

[harry]

wasent accusing you of lieing bro its just an odd place to find teh garvey

[Buhda420]

garvey isnt for shoes its a price marking ink

[acereborn]

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w154/newkidsontheblockk/mission%20from%20god/HPIM0417.jpg

why would i lie?
can someone answer me now please?

nice jones :) (if its beer you suck, jones ftw)

[dopenessism]

its jones, m.f.grape is where its at but seriously tho this shit has me so confused....
i put some in a water bottle and added dot 3 but when i tested it out its really transparent like the tags underneath just show through

[ViaHipHop]

its jones, m.f.grape is where its at but seriously tho this shit has me so confused....
i put some in a water bottle and added dot 3 but when i tested it out its really transparent like the tags underneath just show through

maybe its because its old as fuck try and find like some sort of expiration date.....i mean i doubt the age would have much of an effect on it and since it was in an old gas station it might have gotten fucked up..i know thatt when i leave gas out in a cannister from the end of summer to the begining of spring water gets in there and shit...might be the same thing in this case

[H3TT1NG3R]

and garvey isnt that opaque to start i dotn think, ur really supposed to mx it, not just use it plain. plus that garvey looks wierd, liek probably not the same as price marking garvey, as it says its for stencils

[dopenessism]

there isnt an expiration date on it and there is that possibility but i doubt water got in there i mean this cap was rusted on but who knows

[TAN_ONE]

^^^^^^^^^^
did you shake it????

[Mime1]

I have a couple of theories ,
It might be a shit type of garvey , purple garvey is the only really good type.
Some has just used it as a jerry can and filled it with some oil or petrol.
Can we get a picture of the tag you've done with it ?

[TAN_ONE]

Does Garvy Make Any Ink U Put It In Better

[illadelph]

no... oil + oil = oil haha. Junobo peels due to it being either acrylic based (i'm pretty sure it's acrylic based) or latex based which all comes down to one thing, water based. Oil based is the shit they paint wood with, that shit won't come off anytime soon.

JUNOBO IS DEFINITELY ACRYLIC !! THE BEST WAY TO GET SICK OIL-BASED COLORS (FOR ME ANYWAY) IS COP SOME WHITE RUSTO AND THEM GET WHATEVER COLOR TUBE PAINT (OIL-BASED) AND MIX IT UP...YOU MIGHT HAVE TO USE ALOT ,DEPENDING ON HOW DARK YOU WANT YOUR COLOR TO COME OUT,BUT THAT IS HOW I MAKE MY OIL-BASED COLORS.

[illadelph]

Does Garvy Make Any Ink U Put It In Better

AS LONG AS THE INK IS VIOLET

[MUSEone]

JUNOBO IS DEFINITELY ACRYLIC !! THE BEST WAY TO GET SICK OIL-BASED COLORS (FOR ME ANYWAY) IS COP SOME WHITE RUSTO AND THEM GET WHATEVER COLOR TUBE PAINT (OIL-BASED) AND MIX IT UP...YOU MIGHT HAVE TO USE ALOT ,DEPENDING ON HOW DARK YOU WANT YOUR COLOR TO COME OUT,BUT THAT IS HOW I MAKE MY OIL-BASED COLORS.

ONE of the many Ghetto Junobo recipes.

[H3TT1NG3R]

^ u mean gk. hes talkin oil based mang

[MUSEone]

No.

I dont.

Easy GJ recipe is OIL based tube paint and white OIL based rusto.

Easy gk recipe is 2/3 ANY oil based paint, 1/3 thinner.

Theres a difference.

[TAN_ONE]

Thanks
What Would Hapen If U Made Gk With Latex Based Paint With Latex Thinner Would There Be A Point To That???

[kog_throwie]

Did you forget to shoot yourself?





Gk is oil based, Latex paint is water based, and im guessing latex thinner is also, common knowlage: Oil cannot mix with Water.
unless mixed with mustard powder. And besides, if you could mix them together, it would be pretty shit, unless you have some
sick ass latex color

[thesilentvandal]

Did you forget to shoot yourself?





Gk is oil based, Latex paint is water based, and im guessing latex thinner is also, common knowlage: Oil cannot mix with Water.
unless mixed with mustard powder. And besides, if you could mix them together, it would be pretty shit, unless you have some
sick ass latex color


JUNOBO!

[TAN_ONE]

Um Actuly I Did But Then I Went Outside And Saw God And He Was Like Ur Gunna Get Hit By A Car Tommaro So I Was Like Really Ok So Im Not Gunna Shoot Myself Ima Wait Till Tommaro
And Buring People Asking A Question Isnt Very Helpful, U Anserd It But U Said Shoot Urself So W.e Im Not Gunna Get Into This
ohh my bad i had caps on no wonder its so hard to read

[Rogue]

Your all sluts.

[ep si]

yo i have a ?.i have a rusto stain paint white,and i have aclilic based paint and a wood stain. can i add the stain paint with the acyilc and get gJ? help?

[ViaHipHop]

hah i just thought of something....you know those tablets you put in vinergar to make it colored for easter eggs?.....well you think thatd be any good for inks? sounds stupid but you could get some good colors out of it...

[ep si]

or no i shold say it's latex based and wood stain.anyways' i found a "quick cure" for fish tanks and it fights bactiera and it leaves a preety good stain in my sink so im gusssing that it's meth blue?

[Olick]

Your all sluts.

yay

[kog_throwie]

whats whiteouts base?

[H3TT1NG3R]

oil

[kog_throwie]

thanks

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

any one ever tried emptying out those
2in1 white outs...pen & brush combos and putting paint in them

to make a dalo type shit ?

[ACauseKe]

can anyone tell me how to refil a pentel white marker? i have try to open it but i dont know how

[TAN_ONE]

or u just use the white out thats like really nice on a smothe surface, i recomend presto whiteout pens there the best, u can even get drips

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

white out comes off too easy its wack

[ObeyTheMustard]

yo..
when i make pen ink it comes out nice but when it dries
the drips turn realllly fat and it messes up the whole tag
anyone know how to fix that?

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

really fat?...are u taggin in the cold?

[Rogue]

yo..
when i make pen ink it comes out nice but when it dries
the drips turn realllly fat and it messes up the whole tag
anyone know how to fix that?

Like this?

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/blakereimmuth/kinky.jpg

When it's cold, ink expands, causing shit like that....

Fuck Indiana cold weather, I'm ready to be home in Nola where it's hot...

[kog_throwie]

everyone uses white out pens here in toronto, there sick.

[TAN_ONE]

i use them white out all the time, there rally good on smothe metal

[Wallace]

Like this?

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r247/blakereimmuth/kinky.jpg

When it's cold, ink expands, causing shit like that....

Fuck Indiana cold weather, I'm ready to be home in Nola where it's hot...

i did a tag tonight and it came out like that rather than nice and drippy too, but then i did one yesterday on a different surface with the same mop and it was fine.

[SAID]

its just cause its cold and the ink expands.

[Olick]

thank you caption copy just what rogue said =]

[ViaHipHop]

Like this?

[
When it's cold, ink expands, causing shit like that....


gk too?

[kog_throwie]

i dont think it would, cause its thicker and i dont know

[Rogue]

GK will be fine

[cormac]

umm not to sure about the cold thing cause down here in aus like 30 degree weather in a massive drought and pen ink does that i always thought it was just because of the alcohol evaporating...

[SAID]

thank you caption copy just what rogue said =]
not exactly.
its about minus 20 here, i can tell you from passed experiences.
but yes,
rogues a genius.

[Officer Don Eval]

just depends on the surface you do it on. metal and some plastics will do it all the time unless u know how to control it.

[Yuckasfuck]

Found this shit about wood staining, some of which is applicable to inks too so i thought i'd share it.


Some facts about "so called" spirit stains

1. Some traders on Ebay, are selling so called spirit stains which are in fact oil based stains.
2. These stains are soluble in white spirit (which is where the confusion arises). White spirit is made by the petrochemical industry and thus is oil based.
3. Oil based stains only "take" on porous surfaces like bare wood; not on varnished, polished or wax surfaces.
4. Oil based stains have a drying time of 2-8 hours depending on conditions.
5. Additional coats of oil stain will NOT darken the wood further.
6. Oil based stains can be bought at any DIY store under the trade name of Rustins or Coloron
7. Naptha stains which are also oil based are only available from specialist polish suppliers
8. Oil stains are ideal when covering a large surface as the drying time is slow.
9. All stains can be intermixed providing they are made from the same base.

Some facts about genuine Spirit stains

1. Spirit stains, whether in powder or liquid form, are soluble in alcohol usually in the form of meths or cellulose thinners
2. Spirit stains will "take" on virtually any smooth surface including existing polishes and waxes as well as bare wood.
3. Spirit based stain dries in seconds on bare wood leaving a light powdery residue that needs to be wiped off.
4. Additional coats of spirit stain will darken the surface each time
5. Spirit stain is NOT sold in your average DIY store
6. Spirit powder stains can be mixed with french polish or cellulose to colour the polish.
7.Professional restorers use spirit, naptha and water based stains all the time.

[Rogue]

Nicepost ^^^^

[ViaHipHop]

hah i just thought of something....you know those tablets you put in vinergar to make it colored for easter eggs?.....well you think thatd be any good for inks? sounds stupid but you could get some good colors out of it...

bump for an answer?

[H3TT1NG3R]

^try it out wiht plain alcohol to test it, then tell us lol, idk it prob depends by brand tho.

[[phenom5]]

Thanks to yuck for the first useful post in about nine pages.

[ep si]

yo, i have a question sence street isint on i have no one to ask,well i added to much brake fluid into my marker.idk what i shold do shold i pour it back into my jar or what? help, thanks alot

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

well if u have a jar full of ink idk maybe u can..

or jus throw out the ink u have in ur marker....i would only put a cap full of breakfliud in anyway.

[H3TT1NG3R]

either add more non-brake fluid ink, or i think japan drier or somethign liek that might work, but im not sure on this one, easiest thing to do is just add mroe ink

[ep si]

see like i would but i filled it to the top or i would dump some ink into my lil pilot ink jar and add ink into the marker. and japan dryer i tryed mixing it but it seperates =\ but ya thx alot ill just delute the ink in my maker

[H3TT1NG3R]

ya just pour soem otu then, and sorry about the japan drier its actually oil based i just figured out

[BizerkIZ]

What are you adding japan dryer.. that only makes it dry faster.. thats less stainage..
break fluid is greasy, and slows down the drying time (like fish oil) allowing more time for pigments/dyes to be absorbed into the surface...

now i remember why i dont come here much anymore :( :(


oops just read it..
you've added too much.
add either.

but to be frank. its still greasy and will stain alot less than adding any attal..

just add more ink to dilute it.

[[phenom5]]

When you guys are 'cooking' up inks, what are you using and why?
Like I've seen some of the recipes where it involves cooking them, and I can't possibly picture throwing a bunch of random shit into a pot and boiling it on my kitchen stove. So in what cases does cooking up your recipes help, and how long should you do it for?

[BizerkIZ]

It changes it on a mollecular level (not just regular mixing)

and its only good if you actually know when its needed ect.

but it can be used to thicken / increace addhesion..

also never exeed over 70*c for plenty of reasons.. its always best just to use a medium/low heat.

[Idocrack]

Anybody know how Junobo get their mix to become so vibrant??????????????

[kog_throwie]

they get shitty materials with bright colors

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

they just buy brightly colored acrylic paint..

[Idocrack]

Does mixing acrillic with oil based paint help the mixture to keep bonded unlike thinning oil based paint and the oil and paint sepperate type thing? I guess pros and cons of making GJ.

[kog_throwie]

acrillic does not mix with oil based paints, if you want a junobo type of color make Ghetto Junobo, i think this is Biz's recipe, White rusto oil based, and those painter tubes with all the beautiful colors

[ACauseKe]

can you post the original recipe of Ghetto junobo please

[anti-anti-crime]

god damnit, go to the fucking ink recipe thread, why do u think that we deleted the first ink thread, its cause kids like you come in here asking questions without searching first

[Idocrack]

With the help of mustard powder it does, apperently.

[acereborn]

god damnit, go to the fucking ink recipe thread, why do u think that we deleted the first ink thread, its cause kids like you come in here asking questions without searching first
well... at least he capitalized "ghetto" :)

as for the mustard powder, ive heard the same, but i like keeping it all simple, and havent been bothered to try

[*cept*]

This really should go in a topic where junobo is discussed more, but this thread recieves alot of attention and paint is talked about just as much as ink in here.

To all those hating on Junobo-This tag was on a metal door at my Uni, on the outside. I did the tag slow like Junobo recommends. Today i went to look at it and the buff took off all the paint where my tag was.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i129/shawn6589/DOOR.jpg
this shit is much more durable than people think, you just need to go slow and use it on textured surfaces.

also, looked at another one of my junobo tags on a sign today and its perfect. sits in the sun for most of the day and its on a silver surface but shit still BURNS.

[anti-anti-crime]

it looks like barnie cummed on the door

[*cept*]

it looks like barnie cummed on the doorlol, dats dat kiwi green niiguhh

[MUSEone]

U tryed tha new colors yet? Alot better imo.

[TAN_ONE]

krink voilet is like really good

[The Stig]

does acrylic mix well with alcohol bases such as dye?

[kog_throwie]

ACRYLIC IS W-A-T-E-R B-A-S-E-D do you know what this means?
means it does not M-I-X with A-L-C-O-H-O-L

[Enmity]

To all those hating on Junobo-This tag was on a metal door at my Uni, on the outside. I did the tag slow like Junobo recommends. Today i went to look at it and the buff took off all the paint where my tag was.
this shit is much more durable than people think, you just need to go slow and use it on textured surfaces.
also, looked at another one of my junobo tags on a sign today and its perfect. sits in the sun for most of the day and its on a silver surface but shit still BURNS.


because the people who talk shit dont even do enough writing to see their stuff rideeeee

[The Stig]

I asked because the ink recipes thread has one example with acrylic paint and angelus shoe dye(which i presume is alcohol based).

[MontanaPainter]

true that!

[MUSEone]

because the people who talk shit dont even do enough writing to see their stuff rideeeee
Like u?

Anyways. Got an order of garvey coming in. WOOHOO!

...........

[H3TT1NG3R]

^sick!

[Yuckasfuck]

I asked because the ink recipes thread has one example with acrylic paint and angelus shoe dye(which i presume is alcohol based).

I dont think it is acrylic paint, seeing as he thins it with paint thinner and it's for painting leather.
That aside, things with different bases can and do mix, just depends what they are.
The majority of things wont mix and may separate (e.g. ink and white spirit) but some will mix enough, when shaken, to be used, which is what i think is going on in that mix.
The shit looks pretty sick though, its kinda 2 things muddled up though so i dunno how well it actually works in practice.
Someone was asking about heating inks....
I use shit from a chemistry set lol, works well.
Got a full distillation set up out of it, the sets are worth checking out if you're tired of getting ink everywhere and mixing shit in water bottles etc, yer mix's will look a lot more impressive in beakers n test tubes :D
Or maybe even on walls.......................

[[phenom5]]

lol A chemistry set ehhh...
My parents already think I'm doing something fucked up, come downstairs and there's brake fluid and alcohol and ink all over the place, smells like a methlab. I'm sure a chemistry set's the perfect thing they need to see in the basement hahaha.
I'll look into that though..

[Yuckasfuck]

I dont think it is acrylic paint, seeing as he thins it with paint thinner and it's for painting leather.
That aside, things with different bases can and do mix, just depends what they are.
The majority of things wont mix and may separate (e.g. alcohol based ink and white spirit) but some will mix enough, when shaken, to be used, which is what i think is going on in that mix.
The shit looks pretty sick though, its kinda 2 things muddled up though so i dunno how well it actually works in practice.
Someone was asking about heating inks....
I use shit from a chemistry set lol, works well.
Got a full distillation set up out of it, the sets are worth checking out if you're tired of getting ink everywhere and mixing shit in water bottles etc, yer mix's will look a lot more impressive in beakers n test tubes :D
Or maybe even on walls.......................

Edit: Just saw that it actually says acrylic on the paint bottle, i think you all should know that not all acrylic paint is waterbased. Looking at it, that mix may actually be pretty good (not talking about staining) depending on what the leather dye's made up of.
Does anyone actually research any of the shit they say or just say it anyway?
Wikipedia, whilst somewhat unreliable, has fucking tonnes of information to do with inks/paints.

[*cept*]

U tryed tha new colors yet? Alot better imo.nah i havent, im waiting to do a whole big order cause i always get fucking shafted on shipping when i do a little order here and there.

[balls deep]

i dis like junmbo not for anything but from what i heard it suck's but the pic that dude just posted idk what to think,you tell me now i just rock out home made

[SAID]

how can you dislike it if you've never used it...

[balls deep]

from what i heard..

[balls deep]

and another reason is you have to go slow **** and home made kills

[SAID]

yeah but...


nevermind.

[balls deep]

i dont want beef im just sayin ya dig?

[BaSiC222]

hey Ive got a quick question I've just got some fish oil tablets and I'm curious as to what they do when you add them to ink or paint

[balls deep]

there like brake fluid spped down the drying time so the stain can set in

[AEROSOL_FEEN]

threw in some DeD in an art primo mop and that shit drips with the slightest squeeze...

is there a way to make the ink more thick?

[ViaHipHop]

add reburnt paper...(ashes)

[AEROSOL_FEEN]

how many sheets or so...whatever way to measure??

[coca-cola]

Kay, Go make a fire out in your backyard or a woods.
Make sure the wood or paper you burnt (wood is more useful) Is very very coaly.
Get the real brunt stuff and put it in to a coffe blender and make sure it's Blended very fine...
Ill edit this post when i find the ratio of that to the ink.

[*cept*]

how many sheets or so...whatever way to measure?? just add till it thickens up to your liking. also charcoal, koolaid etc.

[ViaHipHop]

how many sheets or so...whatever way to measure??

i dont know exactly how much i guess just add until it has the consistancey you want

[*cept*]

yeah but...


nevermind. yeah man, its not even worth your time....:)

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

just use ciggarette ashes....

[ViaHipHop]

yea any sort of ash will do finee

[cormac]

about the acrylic and leather dye it will work but lower the stain quality etc as it just makes it a lower percentage of alcohol

[Buhda420]

ok this qeustion is mainly directed to anyone outta b.i.c (aka rouge sintaks etc..) or if you know speak up
in the current **** art ltd video that shows the differance between krink k60 and the krink k63 is the pigment ink oil ased or water based because if i figure that **** would say weather it is a paint formula or not but i have no idea he said jonobo was oilbased and perminent so anyone know wats up

[cormac]

pigment does not stain, as james said it is like a paint. In pigment ink the pigments are suspended giving the mix a vibrant colour and there for does not sink into the surface unlike the dye type inks which the pigments are disolved. Pigment ink will not fade as fast as dye type ink. the pigment ink is likely to be a water or spirit base. as an example posterman use pigment ink. Hope that helped :)

[MUSEone]

Kay, Go make a fire out in your backyard or a woods.
Make sure the wood or paper you burnt (wood is more useful) Is very very coaly.
Get the real brunt stuff and put it in to a coffe blender and make sure it's Blended very fine...
Ill edit this post when i find the ratio of that to the ink.

Yea thats the way! Make a fucking fire in the WOODS so everything else around it can go up in flames to! Then u get arrested for arson! FUCK YEA!

.............

[balls deep]

^^ hell ya man lol

[HEY.LOOK.AT.ME]

yo stfu ppl make fires in the woods all the time obvi u dont put it close 2 sumthin that will catch fire

ever heard of camping
dumbass

[FidelGastro]

Yea thats the way! Make a fucking fire in the WOODS so everything else around it can go up in flames to! Then u get arrested for arson! FUCK YEA!

.............

you sir, are a fucking idiot

[*cept*]

Yea thats the way! Make a fucking fire in the WOODS so everything else around it can go up in flames to! Then u get arrested for arson! FUCK YEA!

.............stealing is illegal, fires are not.

[letsg0skate]

hahaha what an idiot. People make fires in the woods all the time.

[Yuckasfuck]

I heard they sometimes use ink too...............

[dred]

i saw in the grocery store some Rit Dye. it has a bunch of colors, is it worth rackin?

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

nope^^

[MUSEone]

stealing is illegal, fires are not.
ok then. explain to me this, if he makes a fire, and then ends up catching acres upon acres on fire, hes not gonna get arrested?

Yes.

[dred]

ok then. explain to me this, if he makes a fire, and then ends up catching acres upon acres on fire, hes not gonna get arrested?

Yes.
thats illegal, fires are not.

[balls deep]

well if he lights up personal preperty then he could be charged with treespasing too listin why not drop this whole fire thing and get back to inks',ot if you want to make a fire topic

[acereborn]

thats illegal, fires are not.

im pretty sure having a fire that you dont have a permit for is illegal

[MUSEone]

thats illegal, fires are not.

yes, i know that, I was just pointing out a potential hazard. Excuse me for me rather foing it in my fire place.

Anyways, i got some Junobo up for trade. Check that TRADING thread if ur intrested.

[Offset]

Here's the deal: Different towns have differnt laws concerning setting fires. For example, where I live it's illegal to even have a campfire on your own property in town limits. One town over it's legal to burn your entire lawn as long as long as you notified the fire department.

[Rogue]

I never knew lighting fires had so much to do with ink? Wow, where have I been all this time????

kthnxbai.

[MUSEone]

Um, **** looks good set on fire... =]

[SAID]

i was thinking of something today.
some kid put whiteout on a wall and set it on fire.
what if you put gas or something flamable in a marker, and just set your tag on fire?
unbuffable?

[MUSEone]

No, just sets one fire and eventually the fire burns away.

I did it on a tag w. **** tha other day in a bathroom, i knew the guy standing outside was waiting on me to get out of the stall, so i lit it on fire just for kicks. ;)

[SAID]

ahahaha that musta looked pretty sick.
used to do that with axe.
but like, wont it leave a nice stain?

[kog_throwie]

i think it would just be black and probably whipe off, if not? theyd probably paint over it

[SAID]

cause im thinking it would burn the surface and leave a permanent burn on it. like when you burn a peice of wood.

[Rogue]

Lighter tags on ceilings.

The way true OG's do it...


Wtf is with all this talk about fire....

[kog_throwie]

cause im thinking it would burn the surface and leave a permanent burn on it. like when you burn a peice of wood.

oh yeah true, but i think that if you light it on fire, the flames will go up and just burn above it, making it unreadable.

[Tokenkaligreens]

fire fire fire " bevis laugh"

[sir.one]

thoughts on thinning acrilic with india ink? black and black?

looks pretty good on my end. any input from anyone else who has tried it.

[MESN[905]]

ive done it and its alot better then thinning it with straight water keeps the color

i always thin acrylics with bingo dabber stock ink too, mad colors son

[sir.one]

yeah, I figured it..extra drips plus the covering quality of the paint. looked like a good idea.

Oil based paint

water based paint

some one should try alcohol based paint..

[cormac]

wouldnt alcohol based paint just be like a pigment ink?

o and for ghetto whictches brew
purple acrylic + blackravens oil
try it goes mad thick and stains nice

[Olick]

sounds like waterbase is the new "fad"

[sir.one]

water based has been used as long as alcohol based..im confused what makes it a fad?

[Olick]

fluff me =] lol jp


just all the sudden people are enjoying waterbase more then usual.

[-Leski]

No ones hating on the waterbased stuff for not being permanent anymore.
Wonder what happened... Maybe they all realized that nothing is really buff proof and that mad colours are mad colours while they are up?

[sir.one]

well..I think its because you can find it anywhere and in huge quantities dirt cheap.
plus I love the drips.

[Olick]

thats cuz all the toys here are worried about thier 12 tags staying up.

waterbase -india ink, acrylic - cheap. .colors. easy to get. not hard to make. weatherproof "kinda" and large quantitys

thats all thier is to it

i still prefer leaving a mark or givin the buff man a challenge =]

dammit sir. beat me to it

[-Leski]

I'll write something with a can if i want to ruin the buff mans day.
I dont really care how much it gets buffed, I love to write, Who cares if i gotta hit the same spot every other day to keep it running.

Its diffrent if its some mad spot, say... Mall Santa's throne during christmas?
I think I have a new goal in life...

[Cham]

what is invisible ink used for?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Stealth-Ink-250ml-Invisible-Ink_W0QQitemZ370026095818QQihZ024QQcategoryZ28109Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQ cmdZViewItem

windows or some shit?

[Buhda420]

pigment does not stain, as james said it is like a paint. In pigment ink the pigments are suspended giving the mix a vibrant colour and there for does not sink into the surface unlike the dye type inks which the pigments are disolved. Pigment ink will not fade as fast as dye type ink. the pigment ink is likely to be a water or spirit base. as an example posterman use pigment ink. Hope that helped :)


i am double aware that krink of any kink is shit and wont stain but i wandering wether anyone new the base like actually knew what it was

[fonone]

well..I think its because you can find it anywhere and in huge quantities dirt cheap.
plus I love the drips.

funny thing is, you ripped on me for saying this a little while ago. goodwork.

[SAID]

i actually filled a bingo dabber straight with woodstain from the dollar store.
dripped like fucken sexxxxx.

[harry]

did that make you feel special?

anything accept junobo drips easy as fuk in a mop. and yes lets all start burning shit and using acrillic, no thanks i would prefer stains and no charges for arsen as muse said. props to all the piro's on this site for the waste of the last few pages...

["Joker"]

^^^agreed. Ink talk! here let me start it off. Do u guys think grog is pigment based or dye based??

[MrDobalina]

dye ^ it stains and doesnt seem to 'sit on the surface' like a pigment ink would

edit: now that i think about it.. it seems as if there is 2 parts to grog. the top layer which is easily buffable but nice and opaque, and a bottom layer which stains the surface. does anyone who has used grog know what im talking about?

[Cham]

what is invisible ink used for?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Stealth-Ink-250ml-Invisible-Ink_W0QQitemZ370026095818QQihZ024QQcategoryZ28109Q QrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQ cmdZViewItem

windows or some shit?

anyone?

[MrDobalina]

im pretty sure it goes on clear then as it oxidizes it turns to black/brown. kinda like if u eat and apple and wait a while it will turn brown. same concept.

[HEY.LOOK.AT.ME]

yeah thats right its only invisible whenu put it on then later it shows up

[balls deep]

you think they sell it at stored like micheals' or accmore?

[HEY.LOOK.AT.ME]

highly doubtful

["Joker"]

you think they sell it at stored like micheals' or accmore?
no way. its made for graffiti. some place lik micheals wont have it.


im pretty sure it goes on clear then as it oxidizes it turns to black/brown. kinda like if u eat and apple and wait a while it will turn brown. same concept.
Your right but it turns black when exposed to light such as the sun and by the way the ink itself is just as good as pilot. *no stain*

[balls deep]

ohhhhhh igght thx i didnt know it was

[H3TT1NG3R]

even if it doesnt stain its sick, cops com by, what are you doing, taggin
you-no wtf
then the wall is blank, you win
later it shows up and the pigs lose

["Joker"]

even if it doesnt stain its sick, cops com by, what are you doing, taggin
you-no wtf
then the wall is blank, you win
later it shows up and the pigs lose
yea then the cop shines his light on the wall and it starts to appear.:D

[SAID]

did that make you feel special?

anything accept junobo drips easy as fuk in a mop. and yes lets all start burning shit and using acrillic, no thanks i would prefer stains and no charges for arsen as muse said. props to all the piro's on this site for the waste of the last few pages...
no i was just saying it dripped really nicely,
..even in the cold.

[kog_throwie]

holy fuck guy, white rusto i got is so fuckin thick i wasted all my paint thinner on it, it was like 2/4 thinner and its still so thick

[acereborn]

so get more thinner, and thin it down again

you probably didnt shake the can either, sometimes you have to do that

[:RAVE:]

dontu mean 1/2 lol

[acereborn]

well it could also be 3829473920384/7658947840768

but most people dont get math on here anyways, its the internet dude, what did you expect?

[balls deep]

ture that i always' shake my can before opening it and use a stick to mix all that shit on the bottom

[Offset]

Just mixed up some paint. What can I use it with if I don't want it to run?

[balls deep]

dont add that much tinnerif you did then add more paint

[theorist]

theres silver do em dirty now on graffshack.com anyone got any info on it?

[Offset]

dont add that much tinnerif you did then add more paint

I know that, I mean what can I use to put it up with? Paint won't go through a marker nib will it? and most kiwi mops are runny as fuck...

[balls deep]

oh go with staz

[harry]

**** mini mop

[BaSiC222]

can anyone tell me what makes inks bleed through the buffer's paint

[balls deep]

lodine,or meth blue

[harry]

yeah methylene blue works pretty well thats what **** uses in his ink

[ViaHipHop]

I know that, I mean what can I use to put it up with? Paint won't go through a marker nib will it? and most kiwi mops are runny as fuck...

it depends on your control if its to runny for you leave the "penis thingy"(flow controller) in and that should be fine

[harry]

i fucking hate kiwi mops and im pretty much sick of all mops atm chizzle tip nibs just make your hand style look so much better then a round mop if there was a chizzle tip mop i would be down i know there are but icbfed with making one

[BaSiC222]

thanks harry and balls deep helps out a lot

[Fish2]

uhh... does anyone know where to get Yellow Pages from? yea im trying to order some pizza and i dont know any pizza restaraunts around my new hoood

[balls deep]

lol call 411

[:RAVE:]

uhh... does anyone know where to get Yellow Pages from? yea im trying to order some pizza and i dont know any pizza restaraunts around my new hoood

lol yellowpages.ca my man
or .com if ur not in the best country in the world

["Joker"]

i got a problem with one of my inks. i put artist charcoal in my recipe and (fine artist charcoal) when i write with it, it will come out like thick, caked on ink residue. Almost when u evaporate ink you see the residue, thats what it looks like when it drys. But it dosnt look lik that when its written with. Heres the recipe.
Pen ink
leather dye
dot3
reburt paper
artist charcoal
and
lead-i don't know why i put lead in it, i thought it would help.
Well i tried boiling it in my garage to see if the charcoal and chemical pigments would break down and that wasn't the answer.
So...what do you guys recommend?????
Thanks for the help

[MrDobalina]

prob cause u didnt grind it up enough.

["Joker"]

prob cause u didnt grind it up enough.
I grinded it up so much that, well just belive me, i grinded it up very fine!

[Offset]

lol yellowpages.ca my man
or .com if ur not in the best country in the world

I have to agree with this man.

Real men can handle the cold you fake bitches!

Joking joking no beef no beef

[SAID]

um, okay?
this is the ink thread..
anyone know how **** goes in the cold?

[*cept*]

whats the deal with latex paint. we got buckets of different colors in my garage, and i tried to thin it with water but its still pretty thick. any tips?

any yes, i know shit isnt permanent.

[H3TT1NG3R]

^jus ue more water, until its good, acrylic is all i use

[:RAVE:]

^jus ue more water, until its good, acrylic is all i use

lolif acrylic is all u use y do u even come in the ink thread

[H3TT1NG3R]

as far as paints go, but i hardly use paints, so ink thread is EXACTLY where i should be

[ViaHipHop]

man everyone has there fucking period huh

period blood ink ftw!

[H3TT1NG3R]

actually i could really use soem blood, but idk how to go about getting it

[acereborn]

try a blood bank, :P
or if youre desperate, you could slit your wrists

but wtf would blood do to your ink

[H3TT1NG3R]

^ ive heard its good in inks, cuz u kno how hard tht shit stains, and some ppl just use it striaght.

[SAID]

apperently it stains good.
EDIT:
beat me to it hettinger

[acereborn]

thats fucked, i would just stick to meth blue, malachite green, or w.e the fuck

lol

[Rogue]

I use animal blood straight.....

Pigs blood <3

[H3TT1NG3R]

ya ik, but then you can be all, thats etched in BLOOODDDDDDdddd then you are wicked hardcore. and there isnt a widely availible red stainer

[Mime1]

Just found something out. Some antibiotics turn your urine red , and I remembered that methylene blue turn your pee blue so they might have some kinda of link. Phenolphthaleine is the thing in antibiotics that cause the color change to occur and is more commonly know as Methyl Red , so you can get methyl red from antibiotics ( probably really strong ones ) grind it up and add it to your red ink and you have bleed thru red :)

[H3TT1NG3R]

^phenophthaylene or whatever it is turns red in prescene of alkalines, so when u add break fluid, an a cid it changes back to clear. it was in one of my olf chem kits.

["Joker"]

i got a problem with one of my inks. i put artist charcoal in my recipe and (fine artist charcoal) when i write with it, it will come out like thick, caked on ink residue. Almost when u evaporate ink you see the residue, thats what it looks like when it drys. But it dosnt look lik that when its written with. Heres the recipe.
Pen ink
leather dye
dot3
reburt paper
artist charcoal
and
lead-i don't know why i put lead in it, i thought it would help.
Well i tried boiling it in my garage to see if the charcoal and chemical pigments would break down and that wasn't the answer.
So...what do you guys recommend?????
Thanks for the help
H-E-L-P!
!
!
!

[H3TT1NG3R]

^too much charcoal, i mean u used charcoal, and charcoal paper. lead also could do it.

[balls deep]

you added to much crachole to me that's what i think

[Offset]

Run it through an old sock you don't want anymore (Not one with holes though), maybe that will filter out some of the excess pieces of lead and charcoal.