Grog Ink

[casperFT]

has anyone ever tried or heard of this???

GROG INK (http://www.grog-ink.com/default2.asp)

[Alchohlics_Anonymous]

hmmm buff proof. as long as theres no negative feedback on here, i mite buy it and try that shit out. hmmm. doubt its buff proof though, theres no way it can be.

[EliosAVS]

Yea, its probably not completely buff proof but it could be good. :unsure:

[bumsuckfun]

never even seen it before... but to be honest i'm kinda interested

[bumsuckfun]

also the price doesn't seem too bad either... € 5,50 for a 250ml bottle... that'd be like $9 canadian. Cept i'm sure the shipping from whatever country it's in wouldn't be too fun....

[casperFT]

i found the link on 12.oz i think the name and bottle look are kinda catchy

im gonna get some when i can

[EliosAVS]

Originally posted by bumsuckfun@Jan 18 2005, 05:16 PM
also the price doesn't seem too bad either... € 5,50 for a 250ml bottle... that'd be like $9 canadian. Cept i'm sure the shipping from whatever country it's in wouldn't be too fun....
Its italian they sell it on http://www.graffitishop.it

[cyras1]

that is some black ink. but i would get it if i had money.

[Alchohlics_Anonymous]

it must be buff proof on some surfaces not all, cuz sand blasting accualy breaks part of the wall off, so it would come off, its not like it can sink in far enough (or at all, on cement).

[Alchohlics_Anonymous]

from the GROG web site:

"GROG: The product.

GROG ink is the most buff proof ink you can find right now on the market. It resists several kind of different chemical agents, without even fading from his 'total black' looking. Atmospherical events won't worry you any more, when you have to think about ink durability under sun, rain, and others.

GROG is easy to carry with you, thanks to his pocket size format. The bottle is extremely shock-resistant, you can even let it fall on the floor without experiencing any problem.

GROG is hand bottled in 250 ml flacons.
Made in Italy."

There yah go. :)

[the_uniBOMBER]

Hmmm Italian. Well if it's as good as nero...

[Havoc411]

i remember an older thread about grog ink

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

i posted about this in the ink thread like 1 or 2 months ago!
g's its finally catching on lol

[denali]

ya i remember it too cus i remember checking out their sight and it being totally black like that......i was like hrmmmmm odd if anyone gets some do be a good lad and give some feedback

tally ho ole' chaps

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

i really hope that dude who talks like hes from the early 1600's doesnt come on here and post about how "one only uses the mastery once, if one is in need to" blah blah blah n all that shit...idk why but what you just said in the end of ur post, denali, reminded me of him...haha

[Skore_One]

the revolution has already begun, Gab so ye have little faith young lad/lass instead of ass say rump like big rump rump hole or im gonna kick your rump hrdy har har

[oblong]

the best inks are the ones you make yourself
not the ones your purchase onine
like mixing two alchohol based inks and adding dye
you ask any expierenced graff head and he will tell u the same

[Alchohlics_Anonymous]

^word. experiment, but hey if this shits really permanent, ill pick some up and try to make it even more permanent. haha.

[DNA]

Originally posted by Grog_site
backgroud
lol

[bumsuckfun]

i find there is a lot of difference between what different graff heads say.

some like buying the hardest stuff they can get and not messing with it, like garvey and marsh.

others would rather buy shitloads of cheap ink and try to get as much ups as they can, even if the shit don't last too long...

and finally a 3rd group likes making their own ink, or adding additives to strong inks to make it better....

atleast thats my findings when talking to different graff heads....

[STRIFE]

i heard that marsh is overrated and overexpensive, you have to add some sort of pigment to it to make it really permanent, but yeah its about the homemade inks or stuff you add to inks

[bumsuckfun]

marsh t-grade dye-type is just slightly more permanent than black supercolor ink. if you can get it locally (dont have to pay for shipping) and go through ink like crazy than buying a pint of it is a pretty good value. but i wouldn't order since i can get black pilot here locally and it isn't much different.

never heard about adding pigment to marsh... but there is marsh t-grade pigment type black ink that some people prefer, it's basically a more opaque-paint style ink.

if it were me, i'd like to get the black t-grade dye type and add some basic violet or garvey so that it has a nice chemical stain.

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

yes bum, i totally agree with you about the three types of ink fans..i noticed you've been on 12 oz prophet ink thread aswell (i was reading through and you were in it at the same time), anyway, listen to bum, he knows his stuff...pilot is almost identical to black marsh except for the fact of marsh being a bit more permanant...i prefer pilot because its cheaper...i dont trust this grog shit...theres been new inks over and over...just stick to your garvey, your pilot ink, and the loved-nero...you dont need this new flashy shit...im already guessing its gonna be just like pilot ink...

[bumsuckfun]

hahaha yes i love learning more about inks and such. that thread definately taught me a lot, and i learned alot from beeone234 on the old bs forums as well. that plus a lot of dirty hands from experimenting myself...

[casperFT]

have any of you ever tried/heard of murder ink???

[Bretto]

Originally posted by casperFT@Jan 19 2005, 12:33 AM
have any of you ever tried/heard of murder ink???
no but have u?

[casperFT]

no but i read something about it and they said its really good

[silkk]

i talked to the site that sells it about 4-5 months ago when it first came out and was gonna buy it but there really bad at shipping so i never got it wasent worth the hassal but heres the jist of what they said

grog ink is alot like the origanal nero (came out in 99 - 00) 99% of u cats wont know what it is but its about 4x stronger then the nero thats out now they changed the formula because it was to expensive....... grog has been tested with many graffiti remove solvents and wont fade...... i would buy it to try it out iv tryed almost ever ink out and italy is totaly destroyed so id defentaly believe them

[*futurestar*]

nothing is unbuffable because they could allways sandblast and take the layer away or paint over it .. if you have brake fluid oil or cod fish oil in whatever you are using it leaves a "ghost" "tag" that will be there for a while but will eventually fade in time.

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

^i agree, nothing is unbuffable, because something is always gonna be able to buff it...if someone really wants to buff something, they will...but remember, its not all a bout the ink, the marker matters to...if you use certain mops, it will lay a thicker coat of ink on the wall, thus being harder to scratch, fade, and paint over...i dont kno much about sandblasting, but im sure it can buff anything if its used correctly and frequently...

and about 12 oz ink thread....yeah, read that if u want to know about inks...besides personal experiences, i learned everything i know from that thread...rubbish, yeahbaby, and all of them did a good job on that thread...

[segway]

if the ink is liquid, which i am damned sure it is, theres a solvent, if theres a solvent that they use to put it on, the same solvent takes it off, the closest thing to unbuffable i would say is etch, but tony was talking about them coming in, roughing it up and torching the glass so it melts to its original state.

[The Most Sadistic]

there is no such thing as buff proof

[oblong]

Originally posted by bumsuckfun@Jan 18 2005, 08:26 PM
i find there is a lot of difference between what different graff heads say.

some like buying the hardest stuff they can get and not messing with it, like garvey and marsh.

others would rather buy shitloads of cheap ink and try to get as much ups as they can, even if the shit don't last too long...

and finally a 3rd group likes making their own ink, or adding additives to strong inks to make it better....

atleast thats my findings when talking to different graff heads....
you are right
i have had the best luck with straight nero

[EliosAVS]

I like marsh and breakfluid..ive messed around making other stuff but i like that the best.
Never had a chance to try any thing like nero.

[Alchohlics_Anonymous]

mmmm marsh, mmmm nero.

[Tony]

Originally posted by segway@Jan 19 2005, 03:41 PM
if the ink is liquid, which i am damned sure it is, theres a solvent, if theres a solvent that they use to put it on, the same solvent takes it off, the closest thing to unbuffable i would say is etch, but tony was talking about them coming in, roughing it up and torching the glass so it melts to its original state.
not quite original state, you can still see little areas were its etched and sometimes it goes a little wavy

[bumsuckfun]

Originally posted by segway@Jan 19 2005, 06:41 PM
if the ink is liquid, which i am damned sure it is, theres a solvent, if theres a solvent that they use to put it on, the same solvent takes it off, the closest thing to unbuffable i would say is etch, but tony was talking about them coming in, roughing it up and torching the glass so it melts to its original state.
.. pretty much dead on. it might just not be a solvent thats popular on the market...

i'm also pretty sure cod-oil and such isn't as good as they say. a little bit of dot-3 or dot-4 brake fluid works nicely though for a couple reasons. One, its corrosive and will 'burn' itself into a painted surface (okay, a little less dramatic, but it will damage the surface). Two, it keeps your ink wet longer, meaning the ink has more time to seap in and stain. Whenever ink dries it's done, and can't stain or become any harder over time. Three, depending on the surface and type of paint used, it COULD bleed through if painted over...

but yah, i'd be interested in finding out what this grog's solvet is... like if its alcohol based, water based, petroleum based... whatever it is...

[denali]

i like tagging with butter, then you can also have a nice fattening snack when ur done

[->toNE*]

i like nero,and montana with a drop of breakfluid

[tasor_tbc]

Originally posted by ->toNE*@Jan 20 2005, 12:02 AM
i like nero,and montana with a drop of breakfluid
i also heard xsylene works really well for buff proofment

[->toNE*]

same with corio but i think u can only get it in euro.

[bumsuckfun]

xylene is just a solvent. i think that magnum 44s have xylene in the ink... and we all know what they write like... haha. xylene based permanent inks work good on some plastic surfaces for leaving stains.. and they have a terrible smell.

[tasor_tbc]

HAHAHAHAH true that ! thos magnums wreeek. so i guesse i will be best off sticking to brake fluid

[cyens]

what segway was saying about solvents right

there is a solvent to dilute the product....
but it can do 3 things to your dried tag...

the first thing, and most comon, it will errase or fade your tag by diluting it and remove parts of it

second thing it can do it dilute it and help it sink even more in the surface

or nothing at all

[tasor_tbc]

ohh i see. thats interesting. thx for the tip man

[tasor_tbc]

so then whats in them meanstreaks that make them really permanent?....

[casperFT]

anyone ever tried omega ink???

[casperFT]

Originally posted by tasor_tbc@Jan 20 2005, 12:55 AM
so then whats in them meanstreaks that make them really permanent?....
dude you joined yesterday and you have 40 posts.......hmmmm...
cough.....cough...post whore..cough...

[*futurestar*]

this ink is garbage dont buy it

streaks are sick dont use them though

they chunk off to easy

markalls are better they dont chunk off easily and are good up to -40 or something.. i dont know what they are good up to in the heat.. but they are basically a better meanstreak i dont think they cost as much either.

[tasor_tbc]

i don care how much they cost lol its all about racking. ne way yea these markelles sound dope...were can u get those?

[*futurestar*]

wel i get mine from uhhhhh
shit

i dont remember
i will pm you on that

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

how about omega ink? that shit has nice colors but i heard from a number of people that it sucks.
i am a post whore.

[Alchohlics_Anonymous]

^yes, yes you are. its all good tho. :)
i want to try this ink, hmmm when they sell it on the site ill buy some.

[bumsuckfun]

omega has a nice color variety, so if you want to put up a rainbow of tags go for it... but if anyone tries to buff it it's going to get buffed pretty easy.

the only exception to the solvents rule would be if the ink somehow used chemical reactions different from solvent evaporation to dry on the surface, such as having a fluid chemical stain with a low boiling point that boiling itself dry, or a solvent that hardens when in contact with oxygen (in which it couldn't be buffed with the solvent since it'd just harden..)... although this shit would be getting more complicated than i understand and i highly doubt that it'd be possible to make a commercially-available ink with these properties. not to mention the latter would have to be put into some kind've special air-tight mop with a magically non-hardening nib...

[cyens]

markalls cost pennies....

[sept~penta]

were do you get markalls at hardwear stores???

[tasor_tbc]

what i like to do is jus go to ur local grocery or general store and rack a bunch of those shoe polish markers!. they can store tons of paint inside and the mops on them are super thick! so anyway once u rack them (they are super eazy to steal u jus slip em up ur sleeves) walk out of the store and go to the nearest drain, take of the mop and pour out all the shoe polish shit thats inside. then rinse out the inside with water a couple times. get rubbing alchohol, brake fluid and a bucket of anti rust paint. first fill the marker 1/3 of the way with the rubbing alchohol and then add twice as much paint. make sure u still have some room left in the marker so u can pour some brake fluid into it. get a ball out of a ball bearing or a dice or anything small enough to be used as a mixing ball and just drop it inside the marker. put the mop back on an make sure its tight. then shake it up and go bombing!!!!!
this will be really hard to buff and even if its buffed it will leave a big ass ghost tag because the brake fluid eats away at the shit that u tagged on!

[tasor_tbc]

Originally posted by sept~penta@Jan 20 2005, 01:07 PM
were do you get markalls at hardwear stores???
yea i also want to know that. i also wanna know were do u get deco's??

[sept~penta]

i never messed around wit break fluid cuz i hear it eats throw the plastik of yer markers and if you shak it wit a metal ball its fuckin explods is that shit true ?

[bumsuckfun]

anti-rust paint is probably better thinned with say, paint thinner or mineral spirits NOT rubbing alcohol....

don't add too much brake fluid... maybe like a few tablespoons at the most. adding too much will cause you're paint to be less opaque, not mix properly, or take way too long to dry. not sure about the metal balls reacting with brake fluid but i don't think it's true. either way, i stick to glass marbles. thats what most paint markers use anyway. easier to find as well.

about brake fluid and metal balls causing a reaction... i've never heard of it, than again i stick to glass marbles. however i do know that a lot of kids on the internet like to post mixing potassium permanganate and brake fluid into their inks, since both have become popular additives... i bet these kids are speaking out their asses and never actually tried it though. in reality, mixing the two isn't the brightest idea, the mixture will heat up and produce gas (possibly carbon dioxide?). i suppose if the ink/paint mixture had enough potassium p. and anouth brake fluid than the build up of carbon dioxide MIGHT cause the marker to pop... but if it did it must be a pretty poorly built marker.

also, the mixture of anti-rust paint, thinner, and brake fluid is not really that hard to buff, i don't know where you've been tagging because i know around here wiping it with any paint thinner or graffiti-removal product will remove it. also, the brake fluid isn't going to leave THAT much of a ghost, maybe a little bit of a stain on some painted surfaces, assuming it's been there long enough and had a chance to properly dry.

1/3 thinner to 2/3s paint isn't always accurate. some brands require more thinner, some brands require less. it also depends on personal preference, if you'd rather have a thick opaque mixture that leaves clean lines or a thinner, slightly less opaque mixture that drips like hell. i know of some people who use 2/3 thinner to 1/3 paint. it requires more mixing before use. but it will be quite drippy.

markal paintstiks are used for designed mainly for the industrial purpose of marking pipes/steel/etc. you can find them at some hardware stores.

decos are your generic paint marker. try checking craft or stationary/office stores... hell, even some department stores carry them...

[maus1985]

looks like good shit

fuck richmond

-the crimson curse

[tasor_tbc]

Originally posted by bumsuckfun@Jan 20 2005, 01:58 PM
anti-rust paint is probably better thinned with say, paint thinner or mineral spirits NOT rubbing alcohol....

don't add too much brake fluid... maybe like a few tablespoons at the most. adding too much will cause you're paint to be less opaque, not mix properly, or take way too long to dry. not sure about the metal balls reacting with brake fluid but i don't think it's true. either way, i stick to glass marbles. thats what most paint markers use anyway. easier to find as well.

about brake fluid and metal balls causing a reaction... i've never heard of it, than again i stick to glass marbles. however i do know that a lot of kids on the internet like to post mixing potassium permanganate and brake fluid into their inks, since both have become popular additives... i bet these kids are speaking out their asses and never actually tried it though. in reality, mixing the two isn't the brightest idea, the mixture will heat up and produce gas (possibly carbon dioxide?). i suppose if the ink/paint mixture had enough potassium p. and anouth brake fluid than the build up of carbon dioxide MIGHT cause the marker to pop... but if it did it must be a pretty poorly built marker.

also, the mixture of anti-rust paint, thinner, and brake fluid is not really that hard to buff, i don't know where you've been tagging because i know around here wiping it with any paint thinner or graffiti-removal product will remove it. also, the brake fluid isn't going to leave THAT much of a ghost, maybe a little bit of a stain on some painted surfaces, assuming it's been there long enough and had a chance to properly dry.

1/3 thinner to 2/3s paint isn't always accurate. some brands require more thinner, some brands require less. it also depends on personal preference, if you'd rather have a thick opaque mixture that leaves clean lines or a thinner, slightly less opaque mixture that drips like hell. i know of some people who use 2/3 thinner to 1/3 paint. it requires more mixing before use. but it will be quite drippy.

markal paintstiks are used for designed mainly for the industrial purpose of marking pipes/steel/etc. you can find them at some hardware stores.

decos are your generic paint marker. try checking craft or stationary/office stores... hell, even some department stores carry them...
hahah aholy shit man thx for the tips. were the hell do u get hooked up with all this info ? lol

oh an by the way i heard that just getting a shoe polish marker an fill it up with silver anti=rust bucket paint. add a bit of rubbing alchohol an bingo!

[bumsuckfun]

over the years you pick up all sorts of info from all over the place... a lot of time spend experimenting and trying shit out helps A LOT too...

[tasor_tbc]

true that!!

[rent519]

what i just did was took a kiwi mop....emptied maybe half of the shit out...took sum acrylic paint n then two a three capsules of cod liver oil ill post in the next few days with results

[sekoone]

i just made my first kiwi mop today got paint all over. them cod liver oil tablits i hear makes yer shit realy had to buff cant wait to here how it works out

[bumsuckfun]

i HEAR that the fish oil caplets add hard stains everywhere.

from EXPERIENCE i'd have to say my findings are less than promising... maybe a wee bit of a ghost stain on some surfaces but you're probably diluting your ink/paint and making it weaker and less opaque more than you're adding a stain... probably not worth it.

[PANIC!FUP_MORE...]

i emailed art primo about this stuff, and they said there gonna try to get some samples, n if its any good, they might start sellin it

[tasor_tbc]

Originally posted by bumsuckfun@Jan 22 2005, 08:41 AM
i HEAR that the fish oil caplets add hard stains everywhere.

from EXPERIENCE i'd have to say my findings are less than promising... maybe a wee bit of a ghost stain on some surfaces but you're probably diluting your ink/paint and making it weaker and less opaque more than you're adding a stain... probably not worth it.
if fish oil, brake fluid or rubbing alchohol dont work well then what does???

[bumsuckfun]

it depends on the paint...

if it's acrylic than you thin it with water, not rubbing alcohol.

if it's oil based you thin it with acetone, paint thinner, mineral spirits, xylene, etc. etc. etc. but i'd stick with paint thinner or mineral spirits. you can also add brake fluid to this mix, just remember that with brake fluid you shouldn't add very much. it's very easy to go overboard with brake fluid.

don't bother with fish caplets because they dont exactly stain that much. the amount that it dilutes counterbalances it's staining value.

if you're hell bent on stains get some dry chemical stain... crystal (gentian) violet, methylene blue, basic fuchsin, acridine orange, fast green... etc. i believe basic violet III is the hardest staining but i'm not positive on that. short of that, brake fluid in small amounts will leave a bit of a stain because it is corrosive to painted surfaces.

leave rubbing alcohol to, let's say, alcohol based inks. that's pretty simple isn't it? actually... skip that. use denatured alcohol instead.

if your hell bent on mixing things that shouldn't mix, than add a bit of acetone to your mixture and mix it crazy before you write and feel satisified that it actually kinda mixed. but is it really worth the trouble when using the proper solvent would be easier, cheaper, and work better?

see kiddo, shit works, its just that some things don't work with other things. not everything in this world mixes properly.

[tasor_tbc]

ok i c. what i am really lookin for is the permenancy. i dont really care about mixin crazy shit or ghost tags i jus want somethin that lasts an is hella hard to buff!!

[bumsuckfun]

buy some black marsh t-grade ink (dye type) or some black pilot supercolor ink. those two are superpermanent, pretty opaque, look good, last a long time outside and might survive some buffs.

then there is garvey xt-70 violet ink (basically an ink made from basic violet III chemical stain). it's great for your indoor tags because it stains hard and will survive most buffs (assuming its written on metal or the right type of plastic). problem is that it fades in UV light, so outside it'll fade quicker than you want.

of course you could always mix say 3/4 black marsh or pilot with 1/4 garvey and have an all-around ink. or just plain mix some basic violet III stain in with your black marsh/pilot.

in all cases, ink(dye) is more permanent than paint(pigment).

[casperFT]

ok i just went to the grog websiteand now you can orderit im gonna try to get some next month if anyone else gets any tell me how it is

[bumsuckfun]

excellent... except now i have to goto the bank and get a credit card... haha

actually i have a pay pal account hooked upto my bank account so i'll probably order some sooon...

[ant]

Originally posted by bumsuckfun@Feb 26 2005, 06:15 PM
excellent... except now i have to goto the bank and get a credit card... haha

actually i have a pay pal account hooked upto my bank account so i'll probably order some sooon...
how did that go? im also wanting to know how this grog ink went.. any followups to this post? :huh:

[shone]

yo cAN sum1 tellme whre to get any kinda ink and how to put it into a deco

[kyer]

y the fuck would u want to refil a deco?

[joker00]

try ********.com they got some ink but they sell a bottle the has a small tip so it can b poured into small hole or w.e u usin it 4 try that

[casperFT]

yo i made this thread for grog ink so uh take your deco refillin shit else ware please

[Klepto]

I use grog ink, pretty awesome and stinks like a dead corpse. i wrote on a painted wall outside a shop and it stripped the paint off :blink: its like nero's older mre violent brother!

[THEPOSTWHORE5000]

why wouldnt you want to refill a deco, kyer?
they are refillable. i dont see whats wrong with it.


this thread is pointless anyway, there is already about 4 ink threads, who gives a shit if we dont only talk about grog ink.

CLOSE.

[kyer]

mechanical pencils also refiliable.... but no 1 refils them because chances are that little peice of plastic shit will break. so u rack or buy a new 1 and get the performance of a brand new pencil or deco.

[THEPOSTWHORE5000]

what the hell do pencils have to do with decos, lmao.

[BRAINE]

grog is expensive everywhere, and if its cheap they kill you on shipping

[morning_wood]

Originally posted by bumsuckfun@Jan 23 2005, 03:07 PM
in all cases, ink(dye) is more permanent than paint(pigment).
not always true...

a dye is thinner then a pigmented ink. so its less opaque and alot more volatile. dries faster in general, and will seep into materials much deeper. but its also easier to dilute and remove on non porous surfaces such as glass and some plastics or metal (depends on the type of dye/ink since some will seep even into metal)

so in some cases having a harder to dilute, thicker ink will be more permanent.

im intrested in this grog ink... if it has a non common base it can be so much harder to buff. or if it has a hardening aspect as he said (think meanstreaks, from everything ive used meanstreaks are the most buff proof, have survived unaltered in heavy buff areas)

or like using latex bucket paint often makes your shit last longer since they tend to use general purpose paint remover that isnt made to remove water based paints...

[vegimite on toast]

^Viva long posts!

[YNOT iN SF]

hhaa uh where you get Nero ink At??? or Griffin....
Help The Homeless......

[YNOT iN SF]

iono shiett Grog Seems Kinda Cool Should I get Or NOT?? And YNOT?

lol seems cool though...GROG ink "Unbuffable"
iono...

[morning_wood]

NERO you get that in italy... Griffin i dont know... Or online or in graff stores.

If you where ynot you would know where.

[tekkem flop FLA]

i have a 250 ml thing of grog ink..
i've never even used it yet though.

you can get griffin and fiebings leather dye at any shoe repair shop.
there's probably a few in your town so look in the phone book or something, and i guarantee they will have it there.

[kyer]

ok skrew "Grog ink"...... u wanna know the most powerfull ink??

1/2 Black Marsh PIGMENTED

1/2 Garvey violet

you will have a nice thick opaque stainer ink that will last for ever

p.s. the marsh must be pigmented

[YNOT iN SF]

Originally posted by tekkem flop FLA@Nov 3 2005, 01:32 PM
i have a 250 ml thing of grog ink..
i've never even used it yet though.

you can get griffin and fiebings leather dye at any shoe repair shop.
there's probably a few in your town so look in the phone book or something, and i guarantee they will have it there.
OH SHIT I GOt SOME?????



PUt SOme IN A MArker And I HEar Or MAYbe SEE it If U Got some Way Too Post It In This....

PLz Tell Me.. Cuz I Dont wanna get it and see if wasnt good....

[YNOT iN SF]

uhh Oh yea... I live in SANFRANCISCO.......I didnt know there was a "YNOT" in South Florida... its crazy cuzz My name is YNOT iN SF
lol The SF looks like South Florida... huhhhh...


i Wanna KNow What GROG Works....
And Where U Get PIGMENTed MArsh????

[tekkem flop FLA]

for some reason i already knew u weren't the ynot from south florida...

anyway, on your first post, i had no idea what you were trying to say..

[YNOT iN SF]

omfg..... HAS Anyone USED GROG???

Is IT really UNBuffable???

Geeez wtf lol

[jurgen]

Hi
I run a shop in Germany and I'm selling Grog really good.

It's really harder to buff if you compare it to other inks such as Nero d'Inferno (from Italy, too) or Corio.

The black look is perfect. If you enjoy drippy tags too, that's your product!

I've heard it would be soon distributed in USA and Canada but maybe they are just rumors.

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

If YOu PLan oN pOsTINg LikE THiS aLLLllll Teh TiME

quit now please

[toxus]

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[YNOT iN SF]

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PLUS You STupiD TyPINg LikE ThISs.....YOUs NerDd

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[explosivo_420]

Originally posted by YNOT iN SF@Nov 3 2005, 10:55 PM
uhh Oh yea... I live in SANFRANCISCO.......I didnt know there was a "YNOT" in South Florida... its crazy cuzz My name is YNOT iN SF
lol The SF looks like South Florida... huhhhh...


i Wanna KNow What GROG Works....
And Where U Get PIGMENTed MArsh????
yeah i saw your name and was like wutttt???

[YNOT iN SF]

lol Oh Shit ReaLLY???

hahhahha Where......

na jp.....

[Royal47]

for one thing its got a really good black colour, unlike nero which is more of a blue colour...

second its pretty flowy so i usually mix that stuff with some otr flowpen ink just to add that extra drippiness on home made markers...or just pour it into the flowpen by itself...

as for unbuffable...im not too sure its the strongest around...
nero is still the most prevailing one here...you stll see tags done in pure nero...which are still up and running...

pricewise..its €5.50 here..so the same as Nero 250ml and cheaper than corio...

[Meatballs]

I have used it a couple of times, and i really like grog.
i get better buffs with grog than dÃ*nferno..


Some blue alkej mixed with grog makes it really nice on walls made of stone in the swedish subway..

[YNOT iN SF]

Yes OK I got it...I juss Bought some liike last weekk or somthing......
and fuckk i live in SanFran iono how long thats gonna take...

[Sire]

Originally posted by kyer@Nov 3 2005, 10:32 PM
ok skrew "Grog ink"...... u wanna know the most powerfull ink??

1/2 Black Marsh PIGMENTED

1/2 Garvey violet

you will have a nice thick opaque stainer ink that will last for ever

p.s. the marsh must be pigmented
horray for that, home made incs are cheaper (duh) and are kind of fun to make.

[YNOT iN SF]

SOo Shi.....
sooo Its Gotta Be Pigmented ink....what about if its t-Grade or somthing..
cuzz i couldnt Find Pigmented ones.... got it at Art Primo tho..

["SSOR"]

Originally posted by EliosAVS+Jan 18 2005, 05:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (EliosAVS @ Jan 18 2005, 05:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bumsuckfun@Jan 18 2005, 05:16 PM
also the price doesn&#39;t seem too bad either... � 5,50 for a 250ml bottle... that&#39;d be like &#036;9 canadian. Cept i&#39;m sure the shipping from whatever country it&#39;s in wouldn&#39;t be too fun....
Its italian they sell it on http://www.graffitishop.it [/b][/quote]
first of all nothing is buff proof cause it can be painted over
but that italian graffshop site has some dope otr ink colors if only the shipping was cheap

[YNOT iN SF]

^^^ Yeaa but is that shit Internationaly Ship Over To The United States OF AMERICA?(USA)
hahhaahhahahaha

[Paint Magic]

never heard of that stuff but looks like its worth geting

[Vecktro]

YES, i have bought many bottels of grog and i must say its one of the best inks ive ever used. and when they say its buff proff it almost is 100% but it will fade a little and leave more of a shadow of what u first did. but it will stilll be there. i tagged all the bathroom stalls in my school and they are all still there. although they are all scratched over and shit u can still deff see what i did. so i extremely recommend this ink for your inventory.

[BRAINE]

it says its black, but i thought it was a really dark blue, is there something i am missing?


is there anything you can add to it, like garvey or red sanford or pilot to make it more purple and less fading?

[KaL1]

hmmm is that corio ink any good?

[graffitispot.com]

it ok....

[smartSOFT]

would it work in an otr marker?

[BRAINE]

definitely. i think any ink (non-paint) will pretty much work in an otr unless you boil it up to the consistency of like bucket paint.
you can get grog at the american website for montana spanish paint. and i dont know if theyll edit this post or not, but to be honest dont buy anything else from there. theyre paint is shipped from the same place as BS ships from, and i swear it costs alot more.
750 ml cans are like 1.25&#036; more each, and the markers are more expensive (otr)
and theyre caps are expensive too.

[.RIZE.2006.]

grog ink is worth gettin. its my favourite ink

[syrup2]

grog is good shit it is buffable but very hard to do so although i still prefer hard to buff for some reason grog is the shit i hella want get some of that silver grog

[Vecktro]

they dont have silver grog...... only black. and it is pitch black doesnt come in any other colors. and will work in any marker.

[syrup2]

naw dude on the site they said they was coming out with that shit in silver

[WIZDUM]

Originally posted by tekkem flop FLA@Nov 3 2005, 01:32 PM
i have a 250 ml thing of grog ink..
i&#39;ve never even used it yet though.

you can get griffin and fiebings leather dye at any shoe repair shop.
there&#39;s probably a few in your town so look in the phone book or something, and i guarantee they will have it there.
ooohhh yeeeeeeeeeaaah. Thanks for the idea...

[YNOT iN SF]

grog ink is no good..
no stain no Buff proof nothing
get the DO EM DIRTY INK&#33;&#33;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=005&item=150008222740&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1)
The Best Stainer there is..Do Em Dirty (for Insides)

[war terror]

there is outdoorsman do em dirty as well just ge that.... for insides and out

[YNOT iN SF]

YOu Can get The Outdoors One For Any Type of shit..the outdoors and indoors are specificaly made

insides..For Major Staining....
Outsides... No Fading...

[T R E O]

^^very true.

[Stolen7]

lol if you guys ever tried grog youd know that its good, thats why i stocked up on it and selling it for cheep.


http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&item=170006636250&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1)

3 X 250ml of BLACK GROG INK

want to know more about grog, google it, its some good stuff.

any questions? email me at

sellinggrogink@hotmail.com

[tonedope]

pirate grog = durty ass water mixed with rum. what ya know bout that

[T R E O]

^^good explanation :lol:
grog doesnt stain.its bufffable also.i buffed most of it off with paint thinner and alcohol.

[Case-One]

GROG is the fukin shit, i loooovvvve grog, it writes so smooth, it leaves a solid mark thats hard as fuk to buff and it smells like candy, so drink it when your not writin wif it, on the real GROG is dope azz shit mang

[Jet]

you are a farm boy. shut up.

[SAID]

anythings buffable if they try hard enough.
anythingggggggggggg.


except for scratchies

[DRIPS!]

to much hate on the grog haha as said said anything is buffable who cares if it gets buffed it just means new surface to rape and the grog full metal paint is killer verry opaque and perfect consistency

[Flash_One]

there both equaly good in my mind...

[SoebRotRC!<---TX]

grogs tight and i love the way it writes smooth i just aint buff tested it yet but its bad ass so far

[SAID]

to much hate on the grog haha as said said anything is buffable who cares if it gets buffed it just means new surface to rape and the grog full metal paint is killer verry opaque and perfect consistency

word bitch, phantom like a mofokaaaaaa :D

[SAID]

to much hate on the grog haha as said said anything is buffable who cares if it gets buffed it just means new surface to rape and the grog full metal paint is killer verry opaque and perfect consistency

but yo, should i really get myself the chrome one?
i already got some aluminum rusto with some paint thinner, should i try out grog man?
hit me back

[DRIPS!]

the silver rusto is alright but if you dont wanna mix it yourself than get grog i use it all the time

[SAID]

your profile pic, you used grog ?

[DRIPS!]

haha yes i did

[SAID]

niceee :D

[spar2]

I spilt black grog all over my fucking dresser and floor, my mom is so pissed. you guys know anyways to get it out? PM me if you know

[djsupreeme]

comet with a scrubber.. just scrub fuckin HARD. i got it all over my bathroom and got it out but it took a while

[smile_]

I spilt black grog all over my fucking dresser and floor, my mom is so pissed. you guys know anyways to get it out? PM me if you know

goof off works great.


and yeah, grog silver is sick, covers all really good.

[ohgawdxcarcrash]

grog is some nice stuff. though it buffs easily, it dissolved my push pop marker.

[ekin]

Grog ink is shit when its in the sun that stuff fades like a bitch. The grog silver stuff is paint right not ink so it won't work in markers?

[everlasting]

grog vs. etch? dunn dun dun!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=but4nhPMIWw

[SAID]

trippy video ahahahah!

[SAID]

silver grog or ghetto krink ?

[lolque?]

i find that grog isnt that good. it fades pretty fast, after 1 week i could see a fade. however, idk how buff-resistant it is, since tags ive done with it havent been buffed yet.

[SAID]

aiiight,
its fucken cold here like -15, -20 and right now GK is where its at cause it still leaks beautifully, but grog expands when its cold cause i got the black, but i tried it on insides, and the drips are nice. so im guessin when its hot, the leaks are gonna be dope as well as the GK, just gotta figure out which one leaves a better ghost.
anyone got some feedback?

[kog_throwie]

ol dirty bastard is such a crack fiend

[MontanaPainter]

post up some grog pre-buff and post-buff pix

[SAID]

R.I.P ODB!
he just made the songs funny
ahahaha!

[fonone]

ahh i just got some black grog... gonna try it out over the weekend will let you all know what i think of it

[djsupreeme]

post up some grog pre-buff and post-buff pix

heres a grog tag i did a while back after the buff
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3404/sspx0551vt7.jpg

heres a more recent grog tag.. sccript is kinda wak cause i rushed it but if u look on the other side of the metal (right side, under the MAIL POSTE text) u can see a grog/ded stain.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6311/sspx0923af3.jpg

[fonone]

haha that aint bad... i wished they BUFFED shit here and didnt just paint over it...

[SAID]

aiight sickkkk
thanks for the flicks!

[3ver]

i have grog ink it smells fowl however it drips quite well, very opaque, defienatly not buff proof how ever..talk is cheap i have seen my tag buffed off and it does take a while to dry but i love it in chrome colour and it has a very low viscosity so it runs very well but sometimes its a little excessive

[SenkNC]

well... judging by posts it is mixed veiw on grog. I just got a 250ml from bombingsci, and so far it is very annoying. my pilot had some purple homemade ink in it and with the grog it comes out a not very opaque purple (from me cleaning the nib prolly.)

[SAID]

try to put grog in a mop if you can

[x{parkour}x]

^ youd probably get some mad drips

[SAID]

chyeaaa
:D

[SenkNC]

yeah I put it in mop but it isn't sold... that is stock. I added some bulk to it and need to test it.+

[bomb in daylight]

i've got like 2 bottles of grog here in the uk,
goes nice in a bingo dabber or a kiwi mop!

[Buhda420]

haha that aint bad... i wished they BUFFED shit here and didnt just paint over it...

thats why you put gentian violet and methelyne blue into your inks and a drop or two of kerosene if you add those two previouse additives

[Blam!]

Grog ink is dope ink, but this buff proof shit is bullcarp, i have many of my spots i hit been buffed, it many like half the time leave a ghost, the silver grog ink is fo sho not buff proof, the black most of the timewill leave a ghost.

[ZOT]

its dope when you mix it with corio
but it works shit on glass,

[bomb in daylight]

white grog in a kiwi looks mad dope on windows,
dont know if white s buff proof though, its fairley new soo it might be
i'll go check tomorow to see

[SAID]

*silver

[iBomb4KOG]

its preetty good i just got some a week ago n it seems to b pretty damn good.......

[##sable##]

id be surprised if any of yeu can actually rock grog. i know some of the ones ive seen can, but i know not all of yeu can. its crazy ink. its got a mind of its own.

[djsupreeme]

mix grog to get best results. i like grog/red indoor ded. leave a nice red stain and makes it a bit thinner for more drips. heres a flick i did in some bathroom in some ghetto place and some shitty thing on the bus.

btw this is in a mop so its nice and opaque apart from the bus shot which i didnt really squeez it.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5029/sspx0930mk0.jpg

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/3239/sspx0929ka1.jpg

next ill try ****/garvey cause i have no grog or ded left.

[##sable##]

that looks good for grog. see how on teh foot or yeur "r" in teh first pic, see how it got all fat and slooopy? this usually happens alot with grog unless yeu do it just right.

[djsupreeme]

ye prob cause i squeezed a lot there

[SAID]

agreed.
grogs sometimes hard to handle.
never use it in the cold.
worthless.

[##sable##]

its not too bad if yeu got teh midas touch.

cold+grog? never tried it.

[SAID]

ahaha dont man.
it expands and becomes all poofy.
erk.

[djsupreeme]

it expands like that on really porous surfaces (like metal)

[SAID]

yeaaap.
just about anything though when its cold

[Blam!]

hes right grog + cold= shit tits.

[##sable##]

wowzerz. i never woulda guessed.

[djsupreeme]

but that really goes for anything cold. stickers, ink, paint.

[Blam!]

ya tru i fuckin hate the cold i just want it to end.

[##sable##]

i usually stock up during winter and bomb during summer.

[djsupreeme]

u can still do lots of shit in winter

[SAID]

chyeaaa, its okay in winter, but aint nothing like kickin it in the summer

[DRIPS!]

i gotta agree summer is where its at

[##sable##]

exactly. summer is when i bring teh hoes out. ........ and fill up my pool.

[Blam!]

tru i fill ma pool too, but summer is soo much better for graff.

[MontanaPainter]

GROG INK THREAD PPL! not fill your pool up thread

[SAID]

ahahaha,
im selling my pool and gettin a trampoline, seems so sick
but yea grogs prettty nice tho, once you know how to get a good handle on it

[fonone]

ahh used some grog/woodstain/mettalic blue otr ink looks pretty sick, will get aomse flicks when shit stops raining

[Blam!]

haha ya its the pool thread now ha jk, i stock up in da winter too, its a good idea so you yhave a shit load of stuff to go bombin in the summer, or ya grog is cool.

[fonone]

heres the grog/otr mettalic blue/woodstain mix

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5035/feb0774jj8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5035/feb0774jj8.dc504983b2.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=523&i=feb0774jj8.jpg)

[SAID]

looks abit streaky, id rather use grog alone for the opaqueness

[fonone]

yea true that, was just an experiment

[SAID]

chyeaa, i know man, at least your tried it, most people dont even bother you know

[MontanaPainter]

agreed.

[sir.one]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2104/1770274934_2e829f431e.jpg?v=1194821239

[Blam!]

is that with grog^ ?? its sick

[SAID]

ahaha sick, how long was the last picture from the first?

[fonone]

haha thats sick, is that grog alone or did you add some stuff?

[sir.one]

its just grog. i've hit up atleast 100 bus floors with it. problem is control is hard. i have acouple shitty ass tag running. its about one month apart i think.

ps. that gum is still there lol..

[SAID]

ahaha sick man

[Buhda420]

people give grog ink a hard time its
off the chain if u are a versitile writers
learn how to use the product then kill
insides outsides
but i think its better if its thickend

[ohgawdxcarcrash]

grog ink dried out in my mini mop, it was a foam nib and would chalk board eraser work?

[thatkidyouknew]

yeah but bleed it out alot first do the sock trick

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

No.. dont buy grog....might look cool but it fades quickkk

[djsupreeme]

wrong^^

i got scripts up on boxes facing direct sunlight which have been there since the summer. faded maybe 10-20%. big deal!

[MontanaPainter]

No.. dont buy grog....might look cool but it fades quickkk


who gives a fuck.

i use goddamn acrylic. guess why? cuz if some of my shit gets buffed i dont care. for everyone that gets buffed i have 5 more that arent

[SAID]

wordd to that mtnpainterr !
and yo, grog doesnt fade quick man, what are you talking about ?

[MontanaPainter]

haha

[ZOT]

I read once on a french forum shit about mixing nero with flour to make it bether or something? :s I'm not so good at french but does any one has sum more info about this?

grog and nero is really good, leaves nice stains almost everybody in my city writes with in now in the busses, metro, ... it always leaves dope stains, but now they are painting over earlier then before thats shit..

[MontanaPainter]

post more grog flicks!!

[SAID]

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1156/i25556554966901wy3.jpg

[nysd]

grog silver looks dope but it completely dried my mop up and comes out streaky. i poke holes with staples but the flow isn't to nice anymore

[Just Another]

I'm pretty sure silver grog is gk...

[KaL1]

I have no idea if its buffable or not. Every time i hit up with it they just painted it over.

[SAID]

anythings buffable if they try hard enough.
so just go out, and get up.

[kog_throwie]

exactly thats why i dont bother making staining inks like fuck ahaha

[SAID]

werddd.
i dont wanna spend so much time on somethings thats gonna be buffed eventually.
..mostly cause i dont have the knowledge necesary too.

[TheHeartOfARobot]

Yeeo

I was cleaning out a marker which had grog ink in it (I was gonna put a diff color in) anyway, I got it all over my laundry room sink (so it's not marble or whatever that shit sinks are made out of) but anyway, I put some resolve carpet cleaner shit on it and it actually got rid of it.

You think that was just cause it was a little watered down or what?

[SAID]

was it dry?

[TheHeartOfARobot]

yeah, but it was like halfassed though I didn't wipe the sink dry. I cleaned the marker, left for about 15 min came back and saw it. It wasn't coming off when I rubbed it.

But once I hit it with the resolve, let it sit for a second rubbed and it came right off.

Idk much about the ink, but seeing as how everyone says it's good and stains well, I'm guessing it's the shit that my sinks made out of?

[SAID]

yea im just guessing your sinks kinda slippery and it musta taken longer for the ink to actually fully dry and actually stain it.

[geritto]

grog is pretty wack cuz it just dries black no shine not jet black just v ery dark gray not to good

[SAID]

very dark gray?

[partofme]

I wouldnt say that, but there are darker inks our there, however its not grey.

[Fish2]

dont they sell that shit on this website?

[partofme]

Yes they do.

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

grog is pretty wack cuz it just dries black no shine not jet black just very dark gray not to good

exatcly...

[kog_throwie]

post whore

[Flash_One]

exatcly...
Grogs fuckin black... dark grey what a bunch of shit lol

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

it is matter fact i might have a pik of it..


http://i26.tinypic.com/63vhjq.jpg

heres another that hasent even been touched...pshhh and its fading
http://i26.tinypic.com/ekibnk.jpg

[partofme]

mine was dark grey too, just make sure your nib is juicy and your fine.

[SAID]

is it cold over there when you used it?

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

idk...it was my friend that used it...his account GERiTTO...the one who said ...iTS DARK GREY...

[SAID]

kk, cause if its cold it fades MADDD QUICK, cause it cant dry well and it expands and turns out like shit.

[MontanaPainter]

why is this thread still open?

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

tru...it was like almost snow time around there..
i can see where u commin from...in the sun it might stain quicker maybe harder..in cold it expands on the surface

[SAID]

yeaa dude, it turns out like complete shit.
but i mean, correct me if im wrong, all inks expand when its cold no?
i just use GK or my left over junobo.
paint mixtures don't dry like they're supposed to so you can mostly scratch them off and they're real easy to buff. But I mean it's better than a shitty looking tag you know?

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

yea it does...the same person that tagged that tagged on some club and they was a sharpie king size next to it ..done in the same day and the grog one is more faded out

[SAID]

yeaaa, but we'll just wait till it warms up :D

[sir.one]

it is matter fact i might have a pik of it..


http://i26.tinypic.com/63vhjq.jpg

heres another that hasent even been touched...pshhh and its fading
http://i26.tinypic.com/ekibnk.jpg

its made for insides why are you surprised?

[The_NaMEz_BaNKz]

i didnt know that man

[SAID]

now i do.

[sir.one]

all alcohol ink based ink will fade in the sun one way or another.

[Saeoner]

Grog is some really black hard staining ink u add **** and ded thats the perfect ink

SAEONER:)

[SAID]

:)


.. -_-

[MontanaPainter]

FAIL.

acrylic ftw!!

[SAID]

dude grog isnt that bad.
murders insides compared to acrylic.