political thread

[scary letters]

dont be morons with this.

over the past few years ive gotten into politics pretty heavily because im tired of the way shit is run. for those of you in the states, the last 8 years have been very damaging in terms of the publics trust in the government. this upcoming election is being billed as the most important since world war II, and i think its important that everybody is educating themselves as to whats going on, even if you dont fit the democrat or republican mold. personally i would label myself as middle-to-far left wing, but i dont really dig on any of the candidates thus far. if i was forced to pick id take obama over hillary and mccain. you guys?

[AMansNotACamel]

Well, I voted Rudd but that's probably only because I've seen John Howard for ages and I wanted a change, if Howard gave leadership to Costello before the election I probably would have voted liberal. Then again, it would seem that image is the only thing that changes when a new government comes to power in Australia - Kinda boring really. The only thing I'm really worried about that has anything to do with politics is the economy and the recession that will occur after the boom, nobody can really help this though, I just don't want to live in poverty...

Edit: Oh yeah, another consequence of voting in the Labor Government was them apologising to the coons on my behalf. Again this is just really an image thing cas saying sorry won't change them, but it is the principle of the matter.

[SBOMBS]

what are u people waiting to move out....canada is great...or even europe....or south america....dunnno...my personnal opinion......i think u motherfuckers are gonna attack us and conquer within 5 years...

[Cause816]

Yeah ScaryLetters I know what you mean about the past eight years. This is gonna be the first election that I'm gonna get to vote in but I definately am. We need to get outta this war and stop being so damn greedy. If we keep this up we'll defeat ourselves

[trowel]

"the last 8 years have been very damaging in terms of the publics trust in the government".

True statement.

I haven't ever, and will not ever vote. I personally just don't want to end up voting for and electing another frivolous cretin in to office. I guess it is ultimately a trust issue for me. Anyone can lie to another person, but, think of the kind of person that it takes to stand up in front of an entire country and lie. Those are the tiny snakes in the grass that pack a deadly bite. I would feel personally responsible if I voted for the wrong person. But, i respect everyones decision, we all have our own views...All we can really do is hope that the next president does good for our country...Essentially we can just hope that the next president does the job they are given correctly and intelligently.

"We need to get outta this war and stop being so damn greedy. If we keep this up we'll defeat ourselves"
Isn't that how all of the greatest nations/rulers ultimately fell?

[jakbg23]

i dont know i like hilarys experience but im swaying towards obama for a new change..
but the trust issue is true ,look at the sattelite being shot down,i belive it was to test our missiles..

[Steel!]

word.
tho im not so hot on clinton.. like she's a true politician and she even voted fro the war. i would be thrilled to see her in as opposed to maccain or someone but like i said.. shes had too many years as a politician and i think she's a little too willing to jump on the bandwagon. obama on the other hand just finished his 1st term in congress. he's young, and he's inexperienced as a politician. this pretty much means what he says is what he means. he's my first choice.

besides.. shepard fairy made a sick poster for him :p

[Cause816]

Trowel-hell yeah man look at hitler and napolean...I mean they got greedy and they defeated themselves. Also (no beef) I can see what you mean by not wanting to vote but as long as you don't complain about the way the system is run it's all dandy. But too many people out there now adays say that they don't vote and they don't agree with they way things are run when really yeah maybe not one vote will count but if we impact enough people to vote things will change. See it's all about the power of numbers. The government is truely afraid of the citizens and they're more afraid of us because we can get more honest, true followers with a simple tag we put up on a building than most people can get by buying them off. It just takes someone to stand up for something they want and to stand their ground. How do you think Blacks defeated the civil rights era. Rodney king? etc...no one anymore is willing to stand up for what they want because the government has scared us since we were kids by broadcasting FEAR throughout the airwaves.

STEEL-Yeah that poster Fairey made was sick :)

JAKBG23- I agree with the whole missle thing. Honestly i think that our government did it to let the other countries know that if they ever make a secret weapon we can shoot it down. In fact right now we are developing a plane that can fly on the outer edge of the atmosphere above radar and can ultimately "dive bomb" other countries with the nukes that we "Promised we wouldn't use."

Just my opinion... :)

[Rots takes your Daughters]

Personally, I want Mike Gravel to win. Of course he WON'T, but I'm not too disappointed in the current situation.. Hilary is my second choice. She did more as first lady than George Bush has done in an eight year term as the American president. So I know she WILL actually come through with what she says. However, I think women are inept in every way.

Anywhosers. I don't know much about Obama, but he seems around to being on par with the same views as Hilary, so either is fine by me, I prefer Hilary, though.

ROTEN FOR PRESIDENTE.

[rasta or die]

Obama, is a Muslim, and in the Koran the Muslims first
rule is to lie to anyone else that isn't a muslim.

[Rots takes your Daughters]

Except he's not a Muslim.

[Rots takes your Daughters]

Also, everyone else is Christian. Christians' first rule is to be completely stupid.

[rasta or die]

He was born a Muslim.

[Rots takes your Daughters]

You're born an atheist.

You are endoctrined into your religion.

Anyway, does it really matter if he was? He says he's a Christfag now. But they all...are.

Anyway. My key point is anyone willing to further the seperation of church and state. If you let your religious beliefs interfere with your common sense, you shouldn't be running Taco bell, let alone the United States.

[rasta or die]

and thats why im a proud atheist.

[T O K E]

first off our foreign police is fucked, we are the richest most infulental nation in the world and we should help ther countries in need, and by hekllp i dont mean start a civil war in a country 1000 miles away, we should give time and rescources to countries that want our help

secondly i refuse to vote until the election is decided by popular vote, simples as that

[Cause816]

I see what ya mean TOKE about the decision by popular vote. But i am still gonna vote regardless because maybe it'll change something.

[SAID]

what are u people waiting to move out....canada is great...or even europe....or south america....dunnno...my personnal opinion......i think u motherfuckers are gonna attack us and conquer within 5 years...

bump bump, bumppp
canada.

[und3cided]

yeah, i also think the current president did nothing for the economy, pollution,education, or Terrorist defense. In fact it did less than nothing, it made our country be in severe debt because of the war.

Think anyone ever asked how is dads massive oil company is doing in the middle east?

Obama 08 (cant vote, but i want as many people to notice his amazing public speaking and golden presence)

[Steel!]

rots: worrrrrd. separation of church and state is deff needed.. and i live in the "evangelical mecca" of the US so im like constantly putting up with their evangelizing bullshit.. even at school. ive had teachers whip out pocket-bibles during in-class discussions and we also have like 3 teacher-led bible clubs.. (illegal much?)

whoever ya vote for.. just dont vote for mccain! hes anti separation

[cast LI]

Obama, is a Muslim, and in the Koran the Muslims first
rule is to lie to anyone else that isn't a muslim.


you're fuckin retarded.


someone mentioned foreign policy, i'd just like to back them up in saying how fucked it is. i hate the people in charge of this country so much i cant even express it. it really makes me embarassed to be american.

[Cause816]

Yeah. Being an American used to be what everyone wanted. But now CAST is right. Being an american is embarassing. I mean everyone hates us because of what our government makes us look like. Too many people have died for the wrong CAUSE. It just pisses me off.

[STR-WHO]

Obama, is a Muslim, and in the Koran the Muslims first
rule is to lie to anyone else that isn't a muslim.

your a fucking retard, im muslim and ive read the Qur'an and theres nothing in there that says that, so shut the fuck up 'cause you think with your dick

[Steel!]

yea and besides, so what if we had a muslim as a president? for one thing he wouldnt be a right wing conservative christain and for another... our foreign policy would be ecstatic. think about it.. if a muslim were the US's president so many countries would respect us and stop hating us. thats one of the reasons i want obama.. yes because of his skin color. i know that sounds.. racy or whatever but having a black president especially right now would do wonders for our relations with other countries.

[Captain]

I'm gonna say obama here, because I feel that hillary is a great presidential candidate, not a great president. Seems like she's saying what she needs to to get into office.

On the topic of foreign relations, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7d_e9lrcZ8&feature=related
I really like Ron Paul's views right there. He's not going to win and I don't want him to, I'm just behind that specific viewpoint. It's really time for us to just get the fuck out of there and apologize. The whole "we gotta remain till it's stable" thing is bullshit.

As for religion, it'd be nice to have an respectful atheist/agnostic atheist in office. Doesn't align with my beliefs, but it'd near guarantee separation of church and state.

[...uhh]

ya steel... i think its nice that u want the us to be liked by the rest of the world but do u think...the rest of the world elect their leaders so we will like them... u think a german is sitting in his house saying "the americans dont agree with my gov how can i vote so we can be freinds....?"

probally not......(nobeef im not trying to be a dick)

i think this election ( my first fuck yeah) im gonna vote republican ...not because i like it but becase the alternative IS worse...i mean obama and said in a speech (basically to sum it up) ...if we werent spending money on the iraq war we could spend money on roads schools hospitals and domestic needs....but then he is like a major proponent or cosposner i think of hte global poverty act....basically give us taxpayer money to the poor all around the earth...up to i think .7% of US gdp.....thats alot of money!!!...that could be going to schools hospitals and domestic needs.....heh...

and then hillary clinton with her husband helped push through nafta which has hurt the american economy more than it helped (back then they thought it would stimulate the us economy and bring jobs or something...) she was more of a copresident than anyhthing with bill....so we wanna elect her for "change"
bush
clinton
bush
clinton.

real change....

i wondering thouhg to the ppl voting this election what is the most important issue for you?

[...uhh]

lol btw violence is down in iraq...and the parliment is starting to get things done...its by no means over...but to the "iraq is another vietnam" ppl ...things are getting better...

[cast LI]

the economy. its in the shitter. whats gonna be done about that

[bountyhunter113]

economy in iraq? or in USA?

neways.............i'm against Obama, i'm for McCain

[Steel!]

we lost the war in iraq. period. some odd years ago we had a 3 month window oppurtunity to get it right and for whatever reason, bush and/ or the military leaders chose the wrong decision. im not going to get into military strategy but we had to do it right and we fucked it up. so whatever u see now-a-days, while killing might be down or whatever, its still not going well for us and its not going to get better till we pull out.

"stay the course" was fucked from the beginning

[whatadizaster!]

the U.S and the fact that 1 euro is like 1.50USD

[Steel!]

ya steel... i think its nice that u want the us to be liked by the rest of the world but do u think...the rest of the world elect their leaders so we will like them... u think a german is sitting in his house saying "the americans dont agree with my gov how can i vote so we can be freinds....?"

probally not......(nobeef im not trying to be a dick)


yea i see what u mean.. but u cant really deny that bush has lost the respect of alot of world leaders so i think in this election it IS somewhat important to elect someone who the rest of the world will get along with. and i think obamas that man (or women)

[tork614]

and thats why im a proud atheist.

ok no beef or ne thing but you say your an atheist but your name is "rasta or die"
rasta is short for rastafari
which is a religious movement that accepts Haile Selassie I, the former emperor of ethiopia, as a God Incarnate, whom they call Jah. who as seen as part of the holy trinity as the messiah promised in the bible to return.

oxymoron? i think so

get your shit straight and give religion a chance it might help you out in the long run.:)

[STR-WHO]

ok no beef or ne thing but you say your an atheist but your name is "rasta or die"
rasta is short for rastafari
which is a religious movement that accepts Haile Selassie I, the former emperor of ethiopia, as a God Incarnate, whom they call Jah. who as seen as part of the holy trinity as the messiah promised in the bible to return.

oxymoron? i think so

get your shit straight and give religion a chance it might help you out in the long run.:)

hahaha tru

[MontanaPainter]

fuck bush

im moving to canada

whos with me?!?!?!

[...uhh]

steel man the military leaders didnt get it wrong. at first it was politicians running the war and micromanaging...now we finally have military minds running the war and violence is down due to the generals leadership and the surge. also the parliment are beggining to comprimise . the iraq war isnt lost we are still fighting. also the world likeing the us is on the bottom of my priorities, ... they will like us next time they need us ...

[HoodRichSucka]

"fuck politics...." i dont care if thats an ignorant statement. thats my statement...

[MessTonic]

Down with Hillary.. I dont really care for any of the candidates but i would choose Obama even though he lacks experience.. But whatever the government is Corrupt anyways..

[Steel!]

true uhhh but the war is lost. the thing was that yes, the military leaders knew what had to be done but bush didnt do what they advised. heres what shud have been done: history shows that when a government is toppled in an unstable country you must enforce the new law within 2 months of the overthrowing. this means cracking down and having EXTREMELY strict law and rules. this prevents widespread riots, theft, and a free for all. this was not done and thats why there was all the chaos. worst of all, it gave the terrorists or whatever u want to call them, time to regroup and and organize. what bush shud have done is done his troop surge years ago right after the government was toppled. but he didnt and there wasnt enough manpower to enforce and maintain order. now that he DID do the troop surge, things are slightly improving although this war will still go down as our largest military blunder since nam because bush didnt do what had to be done to execute a smooth transition of power

[...uhh]

we are on the same page about the politicians fucking up at first only to be replaced by competant generals. but when a war is lost it means the military objectives were not met or impossible, our objectives for iraq are being met (albeit at a horribly slow rate). violence is being controlled, order is coming, and the iraqi government is finally beginning to get it together, but iraq is far from over, i think iraq will be on our plate for at least the next 5 -8 years. and its worth it i believe.

[cast LI]

economy in iraq? or in USA?

neways.............i'm against Obama, i'm for McCain

economy in US you filthy republican

[whatadizaster!]

the war was lost before it even started. trying to turn a tribal country into a nation state is a disaster of an idea

[Steel!]

lmao^^

well uhh i guess u can look at it that way. i say the war is lost because all of our original objectives and reasons for going to war were either proved false or were not met.. so.. yes they were changed.. and these current objectives are somewhat more realistic.. but it only took us like 6 years to come up with them.

remember the origional reason for invading irag? something about.. um.. oh yea! "weapons of mass destruction" ..hmm havent heard much about them lately

[scary letters]

in my eyes iraq has been a failure since england created it with no regard to tribal boundaries. in a perfect world sunnis and shiites would get along perfectly in the country they have. but the world isnt perfect and islam is so deeply divided now that i cant see how theres any other way to leave iraq other than splitting it up into seperate nations according to tribal regions. weve lost 4000+ men who werent told the truth about why they were going to fight and die halfway across the world, and its still going on? its one of the great injustices of our time, not only for iraq but for the dead on our side as well.

[Steel!]

honestly.. bush should be serving prison time right now. he's done so many illegal things besides everything thats gone down in iraq.
imo

[scary letters]

if he was the leader of any other country he'd be on trial for genocide at the UN. i still cant believe he won twice..

[LotsOfCuddling]

well. daddy had some say in all that.

[Steel!]

so did the CEOs of the companies that make the voting machines in FL (his brother is the gov there) and other key states.

it was fucking proved that he stole both elections and not a thing was done
..fucking rediculous

[scary letters]

bush may have won those elections under debatable circumstances, but the fact is millions and millions of americans thought this man was capable of running a country, even after his first four years. i think america itself has to take some of the blame for putting him in office. alot of people were deceived.

[Steel!]

word.
a lot of ppl are fucking idiots. like where i live. im always amazed when really intelligent teachers and diff ppl who are actually really smart, when asked about bush go on rants about how good bush has been and how he improved the economy and saved america and all this crazy shit.

idk why but i know tons of ppl who can think for themselves and everything and and just adore bush..

[Steel!]

word.
a lot of ppl are fucking idiots. like where i live. im always amazed when really intelligent teachers and diff ppl who are actually really smart, when asked about bush go on rants about how good bush has been and how he improved the economy and saved america and all this crazy shit.

idk why but i know tons of ppl who can think for themselves and everything and and just adore bush..

lol i just realized i adore bush too.. just not the president kind :D

[STR-WHO]

hes dad cant do anything, read up about Bilderberg, crazy shit

[STR-WHO]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg

http://bilderberg.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_attendees

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3773019.stm

[Cause816]

Honestly i don't understand why he had to stick his shitty fingers in iraq in the first place. We invaded afghanistan because our country was attacked by osama. I mean seriously why the fuck did baby b have to clean up his dad's mess. "I'm seriously suprised someone hasn't shot him yet." But hey all we can do now is wait it out and see what happens with this new election. But you think about it now...if Bush could fix the election what's gonna stop anyone else? Stick that on your expensive ass plate and eat it.
I'm not even gonna start to mention gas prices.

[UNDERONE]

honestly in the words of chris rock " if the country let a fucking dumbass lead them. then i think its time for a black president"

[...uhh]

we have extremley different measures of success steel..
about the wmds....the democrats believed it too... it was faulty intellegence not some evil mastermind bush.....( how is it bush is too stupid to run the country effectivly but smart enough to fool millions of people....i never got that)

and im curious what illegal things u are talking bout...that bush has done...if u give me a list i will give u a list of bill clintons...

[Rots takes your Daughters]

Clinton could rape the elderly (which he very-well may have done), but to the greater extent of my knowledge, the entire world didn't quite hate the USA while he was in office.

[...uhh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h6gehCPvpk&feature=related

gore talks bout wmds in iraq circa early 90's

rpts

[Rots takes your Daughters]

What does that have to do with Clinton.

[sketch3]

someone came into college today, talking about the importance of voting,
i got asked to leave for refrenceing the gint douche/terd samich southpark episode

[JackJill]

Want some political bullshit?
Watch shake hands with the devil. Has to do with the Rwanda genocide.
Most of it takes place in Kigali. Tutsies and Hutu moderates and holy fuck it's kind of confusing but it helps if you learnt about it already like I did.
It's a very good movie. But I was bawling for the whole thing.

[Chump]

^ hahaha
i love that episode...
the little baby " KILLL MEE!!"
lol

[Steel!]

good man.^^

uhh: honestly, i think its cheney who masterminded alot of the shit. and for the evidence of wmds.. what happened was that cheney and bush claimed to have indisputable rock solid evidence. and when someone says that.. ppl believe them. i dont blame the dems for believing that.. hell even i did when they origionally said it.. the thing was.. it was an outright lie. they didnt have evidence especially the extensive evidence they claimed to have when rumsfield presented to the U.N. about going to war with iraq.

[Cause816]

We're still in a war that no one want's to be in. I just wonder how much profit bush has made since he got elected.
Aand a good movie would be Farenheit 911 <sp?? watch that as an american and get pissed off.

[Rots takes your Daughters]

Sicko is another good Michael Moore film.

Bush doesn't need to make profit, he wasn't exactly poor when he went into office. He's not going broke any time soon.

[...uhh]

What does that have to do with Clinton.
...huh..oh i get why ur confused...it has nothing do to with him that was me referencing steel...he knows what were talking bout...

steel..here is an article from (OH MY GOD) FOXnews.com


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

WASHINGTON — The United States has found 500 chemical weapons (javascript:siteSearch('chemical weapons');) in Iraq (javascript:siteSearch('Iraq');) since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.
"We have found weapons of mass destruction (javascript:siteSearch('weapons of mass destruction');) in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.
Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

there were wmds in iraq not the mountain of them that we were expecting...but still one wmd for saddam was too many...

about cheney masterminding the whole thing...idunno...when has the government ever been able to effectivley do anything...especially something so importatn as a set up of a country....i mean cheney would have had to have helpers ...and one of them would have to have sqeueld...but thus far noone... i konw of...(please tell me if u know)...its just too big a plan for our government to effectivly pull off ya know?

[STR-WHO]

are you quoting fox news?? thats not really a reliable source, unless your trying to teach us how to manipulate and lie to people well. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/
is an amazing news source non of that corporate news thats pre prepared and fed to everyone

[...uhh]

AHH str-who...fow leans right wing...but alot of the other news agencies lean left.....i know what im getting when i go to fox...and what im getting when i go to cnn..the site u sent...leans heavily even more so than cnn to the left....look at the key words...slaughtered ,occupation, sacrifieced...they are using ver heavily chargbed emotional words...and emotion is not what u want from a news source u want facts from a news source.....

personally i thnk the best cable news station ( not a good one hahah) the best is probabbly msnbc becasue they give a variety of comentators a chance to spew...so its as balanced as i think is posiblle.

[Steel!]

the thing is about all of bush's illegal activities and cheney having to have help.. he did.. and ppl did squeal. think about how many ppl that were very close to then that got firsed for some absurd reason.. then only months later those ppl would testify for the various things b & c did... plenty of ppl high up squealed... it just didnt end in bush getting into trouble.. hes been able to avoid pretty much everything so far

[scary letters]

Sicko is another good Michael Moore film.

Bush doesn't need to make profit, he wasn't exactly poor when he went into office. He's not going broke any time soon.

thats true he was wealthy when he went into office, but oil companies controlled by his friends, family, and that he's been on the board for have become exponentially wealthy due to the invasion, not to mention halliburton and defense contractors that benefited as well. its no coincidence that every member on bush's staff with the exception of maybe one or two has direct connections to management and investment in oil companies, so even though he himself hasnt become crazy rich since 2003, he's made his friends and family rich, and what sector do you think he'll enter after he's done with his term? what goes around comes around.

and as far as good balanced media goes, it seems to me that its hard to find a middle ground in the US its either far right or far left. i think the bbc has great coverage of events here, they've more toward the middle than the major news networks weve got. npr is pretty left, but i like them.

[AMansNotACamel]

this is possibly political, with reference to global warming.
I don't know how educated you are on the subject of global warming (i'm fairly ignorant) though my lecturer says that global warming propaganda only focuses o n the blanket keeping heat in, not the fact that the blanket also reflects a lot more heat.
I take this information and interpret it as saying that these effects cancel each other out.

[Cause816]

this is possibly political, with reference to global warming.
I don't know how educated you are on the subject of global warming (i'm fairly ignorant) though my lecturer says that global warming propaganda only focuses o n the blanket keeping heat in, not the fact that the blanket also reflects a lot more heat.
I take this information and interpret it as saying that these effects cancel each other out.

Global warming is a good thought and hell why can't everyone drive hybrid cars? I'm sure that they can make some cool looking ones. And even if they can't make one it's better than supporting the government that is a huge culprit in the rising gas prices. But in my opinion global warming isn't caused by just us. It's just the earth going through its normal cycle. So realy anyone who devote's their whole life to finding a way to change billions of people (Al Gore) is wasting their time. :D

[jakbg23]

i cant believe he won a noble prize..besides all major oil companies would completly oppose a major change to hybrids or eletrical cars..in my opinion i believe that the current goverment is nothing more than a conspiracy...to all u immigrants go back home there nuthing here i say stay in ur respective countries ...this place is gonna come spiraling down...but in this modern time there is no room for the american dream

[cezns]

Although Micheal Moore may have good intentions, his documentarys hardly strike out a point and circulate around complete bullshit and biased facts.

As for the 2008 election in America, if I was a citizen there, I'd more than likely go with Obama.

But instead I'll wait till this minority government we have in Canada comes to some sort of a disagreement and has another electionl.

[Rots takes your Daughters]

Hybrid cars aren't nearly as good for the environment as you think they are.

I'm still in awe, that there are people (and a great deal of them) on earth who think Global Warming doesn't exist.

[Cause816]

I'm still in awe, that there are people (and a great deal of them) on earth who think Global Warming doesn't exist.

Oh yeah that always gets me. but what makes it even funnier is when people try to change the way the Earth was made to be. It has done this in the past way back with dinosaurs and it's just doing it again. Hell sometimes i think that there is more of a God figure out there.

[Rots takes your Daughters]

This is off topic but slightly involved with politics and more with the arth ish.

What's everyone think of the "2012" "Planet X" "End of the world" stuff? I'm sure it has nothing to do with any mythical figures at all, But I'm starting to think there's something to the planet X thing. Especially with recent events. But, rots is ever the skeptic.

[fannypack uprock]

in regards to the dinosaurs and global warming and things.. im not going to say that global warming isnt accelerated by humans.. that just isnt so... but there is a good amount of evidence that suggests multiple mass extinctions on earth since its birth.. im talking about sweeping environmental changes dramatic enough to completely extinguish most forms of life on earth. there is evidence of both total and partial extinctions.. but the fact of the matter is that when these events happen, its absolutely environmental factors that facilitate it. just something to think about.

[Cause816]

This is off topic but slightly involved with politics and more with the arth ish.

What's everyone think of the "2012" "Planet X" "End of the world" stuff? I'm sure it has nothing to do with any mythical figures at all, But I'm starting to think there's something to the planet X thing. Especially with recent events. But, rots is ever the skeptic.

I've started thinking more about the whole 2012 thing also. personally i just think that the mayans ran out of stone to carve the calendar on. lol. But seriously the world is running it's last race. I don't think any of us will live to see it though.

But back on the "political" thread...

Fear is what drives america. Without fear you have anarchy and total chaos.

[fannypack uprock]

Without fear you have anarchy and total chaos.

i totally disagree with that. fear IS an effective method of control.. dont get me wrong.. but its absolutely not the only method of control.. and for that matter.. i dont think (ideally) people necessarily have to be controlled to avoid chaos.

[Cause816]

yeah i understand that. I see what you mean and i meant it lke that. i just think it came out wrong.

[sketch3]

i think the bbc has great coverage of events here, they've more toward the middle than the major news networks weve got. npr is pretty left, but i like them.
the bbc might not be outright biased like american news but as a londener i can tell u its got its own agenda, the labor government thats in charge is bigtime into imigration and multicultered socsiety, the bbc london news trys to play down race issues and any time they have somthing about schools achieving they pick a class with prodomently ethnic students, its not as open as the us but its still there

[...uhh]

^^^thats wild in america the ppl whine about how right wing news is ( im not saying it is or it isnt thouhg...) and in the uk ppl whine about how left wing the media is.....the grass is never greener huh...

about the global warming thing...i dont think we caused ti ....its just earth cycle...alos other planets in the solar system are getting hotter too...so its obvioulsy not all us...but then ppl say oh well all the co2 in the air is gonna make things worse...well if those ppl really cared they would tell u its not co2 that will kill us is no2...which is far less in nnumber than co2 but like alot worse....or something...
also i really dont think scientists should be telling us we need to change the planet...cause we havent really been around that long to know exactly what we should or shouldnt do...we just need to ride it out...

but on the hybrid cars stuff...ethanol is bs...it drove up prices for corn cause all of it was going to make ethanol cause of the presidnets plan or whatever...then it drove up the price of other produce because farmers were planting more corn than other produce....it also requires about the same amount of energy to make a gallon of ethanol than a gallon of ethanol puts out!!! its a shame...hydrogen is the best way to go...maybe solar if they ever get the cells right....but on the real ranchers put out more "deadly c02" than cars do...so become vegan ecofreaks....lol u guys arent freaks....

(im not trying to beef with anyone...)

[steegz]

I was so down for Dennis Kucinich but wakka wakka!
If I believed in voting in this country I'd vote for Obama for the primaries but living in Texas makes it hard to believe in a reason to vote democrat.

[sketch3]

^^^thats wild in america the ppl whine about how right wing news is ( im not saying it is or it isnt thouhg...) and in the uk ppl whine about how left wing the media is.....the grass is never greener huh...



not really cuss most people are mad liberal anyone who says anything else is called a bigot, wich is just anoying for the real racsist like myself

[...uhh]

i like england

except for the hole mad liberal thing...i know what ur talking bout tho....from what i hear its a huge disconnect between voter and voted over there...true or no?

[sketch3]

yea the mayor of london is hatedby every one,
i mean everyone and hes been in power for ages

i cant speak for the rest of england, im sure its more conservetive than london,
but were im at is,befor if u typed in my neighbour hood in wikipedia it said it was the most diverse place on earth

[fannypack uprock]

but on the hybrid cars stuff...ethanol is bs...it drove up prices for corn cause all of it was going to make ethanol cause of the presidnets plan or whatever...then it drove up the price of other produce because farmers were planting more corn than other produce....it also requires about the same amount of energy to make a gallon of ethanol than a gallon of ethanol puts out!!! its a shame...hydrogen is the best way to go...maybe solar if they ever get the cells right....but on the real ranchers put out more "deadly c02" than cars do...so become vegan ecofreaks....lol u guys arent freaks....


hybrid cars are gas/electric. ethanol is a type of biodiesel. totally different topics. as far as biodiesel goes.. ethanol does suck though.. theres many many better alternatives in the realm of biodiesel.

[ForGiven]

lots of people think obama will be assasanated; if there is an attepmt and he lives, HE IS THE ANTICHRIST!!!!

[Rots takes your Daughters]

I've already claimed tha tposition, thanks.

In other news, Bush seems to have actually done some good in Africa, they love him there.

[scary letters]

but "george bush doesnt care about black people". maybe he fed them jenna bush.

anybody see the ohio debate? i think obama did better than last time.

[Steel!]

ok im just going to lay it down like huey does in the boondocks:

"excuse me.. i would just like to say that Jesus was black, Ronald Reagan was the devil, and the government is lying about 9/11. thank you, and goodnight."
*white people start rioting*

[PureSole]

^hahaha
word

Im a libertarian though. Civil liberties and all that bullshit..

[...uhh]

I LOVE THE F***ING BOONDOCKS

OMG THE GUY FROM THE GRAFF EPISODE THAT LOOKED LIKE A FREAKING ALBINO....LMAOROFLXDHAHAAHLOL

anyways here is another interesting video i found....remember when u watch it though ...i aint a republican...and i dont believe necessarily everything in that video...so ....i just think its interesting so i wanted to share it....

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=27790

[Rots takes your Daughters]

It was supposed to be Bob Rossish.

[Rots takes your Daughters]

HAHAHA "I support FORCED sterilization for Christian fundies". haahahah best thing I've seen all week.

[...uhh]

i just thouhgt it was wild...thier is some hippy liberal at the beggining in a toga and with flowers...and then thier little latte liberals beating/harrassing that guy ....

what u think rots....

(btw i laughed at that sign too its ridiculous...)

[Steel!]

haha did u guys know that nader is running for prez?

[Rots takes your Daughters]

Vote MIKE GRAVEL 08

[PG_Miscreant]

JOHN MCCAIN 2008...the lesser of many evils. Im looking out for myself im a minority too here fuck obama hes not gunna do shit for 90% of the country he just wants to give money to crackbabies and fags ande he'll do it by brainwashing young white kids with his cliche "change" rhetoric, turn them against their brothers and make them think all white men are evil fuck that and fuck the naacp obamas not even a descendent of slaves hes half kenyan half white
Im not racist, anyone who votes for obama is cuz theyre only doing it cuz hes black and theyre "p.c", i mean i live in DC metro for gods sake but really our country is under attack from outside and in by terrorists.
Wake up and smell the crack people our country is under attack

[Rots takes your Daughters]

I'll be more tempted to take anything you just said seriously, if you use some of these: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,, it hurt me to read that.

Anyway. What do you mean by, he just wants to give money to the crackbabies and fags?

You seem to be missing the larger picture when it comes to the American presidency.
the last thing I want in office is Mccain, a psychotic Christian conservative looking to illegalize abortions and give us MORE 'crackbabies'. What are some of Mccain's positive points? What has he done that's so great? Not that Obama has really made his mark as a powerfigure in the country as of yet, but his ideals are at least sane and mature.

[T O K E]

I've already claimed tha tposition, thanks.

In other news, Bush seems to have actually done some good in Africa, they love him there.

hes aved million of lives by funding their vaccination's and tihe rheakth rekated stuff, hes not all bad hes just dumb and even knows that what he did was right

"is he dumb or evil?" hes just dumb

[Rots takes your Daughters]

I saw someone on TV say it best, don't remember who. "It pisses me off more. Because I came to terms with the fact that he was completely incompetant. Now when he's almost out of office, he goes and does something good. What makes me mad is that now I know he's been CAPABLE of doing good all along, but has just chosen not to!"

haha

[T O K E]

hah john stewart on the daily show, thats where i heard about that in the first place, pretty good show

[scary letters]

JOHN MCCAIN 2008...the lesser of many evils. Im looking out for myself im a minority too here fuck obama hes not gunna do shit for 90% of the country he just wants to give money to crackbabies and fags ande he'll do it by brainwashing young white kids with his cliche "change" rhetoric, turn them against their brothers and make them think all white men are evil fuck that and fuck the naacp obamas not even a descendent of slaves hes half kenyan half white
Im not racist, anyone who votes for obama is cuz theyre only doing it cuz hes black and theyre "p.c", i mean i live in DC metro for gods sake but really our country is under attack from outside and in by terrorists.
Wake up and smell the crack people our country is under attack

wow that was a pretty ignorant argument. you obviously dont know much about obama's stances on healthcare, the economy, national security, and the war iraq. the fact that obama is black has nothing to do with it for me...i acknowledge that its true some minorities will vote for obama just because of his color..but thats true for the opposite, i bet alot of people vote against him because of his race too, so i dont think its a fair comparison. our country is under attack from AL QUAEDA, who were NOT in iraq, as was proven, and because of our presence in iraq, have now started to flood there. so in effect we helped al quaeda become a force in iraq, where it was not before. its easy to begin suppressing civil liberties like weve been doing under the name of national security, but its easy to cross the line, and i think thats been done. what the united states is at war with is islam in general, it scares us because we dont know much about it. theres an a theory that the next "cold war" type scenario is starting right now, and its going to be a war of west v islam. islam isnt any more a fundamentally violent religion than christianity is, but islamic states happen to control a lot of oil so were there, do you really think the us would be in iraq if its major economic product were soybeans?

[PureSole]

Fuck that
Im still Ron Paul fuck the fed, the cfr, the illuminati and whoever else

[T O K E]

Fuck that
Im still Ron Paul fuck the fed, the cfr, the illuminati and whoever else

if you really believe in all that your naive as shit

http://www.angelfire.com/crazy/dalegribble/images/Dale.jpg

[PureSole]

^Image doesn't work
And I don't really believe anything anymore, just that those assholes need to leave me and my rights alone and fight their own wars to fund the military complex

[T O K E]

^Image doesn't work
And I don't really believe anything anymore, just that those assholes need to leave me and my rights alone and fight their own wars to fund the military complex

works for me and your naive s shit, you watched an hour long movie and you think eveyrone is out to get you

[PureSole]

^An hour long movie? Uh...no. I read the news sir. Have you seen all the rights the president has taken away and how the system is being changed? Do you see the wars going on? Who profits (let me answer that: Halliburton for one)

This isn't that loose change bullshit, which has more faults than California..

People are mad scared...they are the ones I call naive. Those willing to give up liberty for sequrity deserve neither...(ben franklin) and as you know, Cash Rules Everything Around Me

[T O K E]

^An hour long movie? Uh...no. I read the news sir. Have you seen all the rights the president has taken away and how the system is being changed? Do you see the wars going on? Who profits (let me answer that: Halliburton for one)



yeah like i said....:rolleyes:

[Slushi]

illuminati... Stupidest theory ever.

"Let's put our logo on tha doller billz so no one can no whoo we is LOL"
"k."

[Rots takes your Daughters]

hahahah^^^

Illuminati theorists are complete idiots. If the entire world was being controled by one group, everyone wouldn't hate eachother.
Fuck Ron Paul too, if you're so hell bent on anarchy, just have fun with it, but leave THINKING people out of it. Ron Paul has some of the worst ideas I've ever seen in this election, and he has as much a chance of winning as.....Bush has of being re-elected.

[T O K E]

http://i4.tinypic.com/7xkw6lg.jpg
http://www.realraptalk.com/imagehosting/2359147be06e9aabe2.gif

lool alright lets get back to politics

[PureSole]

lol fuck you guys :(
im going back to my happy corner

[cast LI]

hes aved million of lives by funding their vaccination's and tihe rheakth rekated stuff, hes not all bad hes just dumb and even knows that what he did was right

"is he dumb or evil?" hes just dumb

word up to that

cheney's the evil one

[Steel!]

hahaha for sure.

its true ya know

[PROMO]

http://i4.tinypic.com/7xkw6lg.jpg
http://www.realraptalk.com/imagehosting/2359147be06e9aabe2.gif

lool alright lets get back to politics

HAHA! Huckabee isnt on it! Im gonna vot for him and create the biggest upset in history

[wafflecakee]

im a political science major but i like to focus on theories so im not always that up to date on american politics. i am a leftist anarchist, but i vote and i would consider myself a strategic voter, i vote for a party who has more chances of winning seats so that there can be more of an influence as opposed to voting for a marajuana party who would probably not even win a seat...

i'd vote for obama, but im canadian...

[Steel!]

that makes sense.. so u vote for change when u know ur personal candidate/ party doesnt have a chance to win

[wafflecakee]

i vote for a party who has more chances of winning seats than the parties who i support the most. il vote for the NDP (a more leftist party) as opposed to the Green party (far left) because the ndp is more likely to win seats. What this does is introduces more leftist opposition in the house of commons which in the end is my goal. If i would vote green my vote might help them win one seat but they are not likely to be able to bring much change.

As i said before, i am a leftist anarchist so i dont really support any prty whole heartedly however i am realistic and i'll try to bring change through any methods that are offered even if that means voting.

[ForGiven]

awww...how cute his name is wafflecake, lol.

[Cause816]

Yeah sounds like a good recipie. lol

[wafflecakee]

it is actually!

Ingredients
2 cups all-purpose flour
1/2 cup granulated sugar
1/4 cup cocoa
1/2 teaspoon baking powder
1 teaspoon vanilla
3 eggs , seperated
1 cup milk
1/4 cup butter , melted
vanilla ice cream
chocolate syrup
Directions
1
Mix dry ingredients.
2
Beat egg yolks.
3
Add milk blend into the flour mixture.
4
Add butter and vanilla, beat well.
5
Beat whites until stiff, fold into the cake.
6
Pour about 1/4 Cup of the batter into a lightly oiled medium hot waffle iron.
7
Bake 3-4 minutes.
8
Serve with Ice cream and chocolate sauce.
9
Makes 13 waffle cakes.

[T O K E]

come on waffle you made a good post..

forgiven if you dont have anything relative or intelligent to say, leave.

has nayone ever seen the day the earth stood still? Its one of the best movies iver ever seen in my entire life, and it really spoke to me and struck a cord

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Day_the_Earth_Stood_Still_1951.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Earth_Stood_Still_%281951_film%29

what i took away from this film is that we are ruining our chances of ever making it by being a violent, ignorant, mistrusting species. its like if you went home everyday and punched a hole in your wall and threw a dish on the floor, after a while youd be like wow this is a total dump

its an amazing story and their remaking it but i doubt itll be the same, if you wanna discover how disgutsing a species we are i suggest watching it


Klaatu (Michael Rennie) arrives in a flying saucer-like spaceship and lands on the Ellipse in President's Park, Washington, DC. He declares he has come in peace on a mission of goodwill; he holds up and activates a small device that opens with a snap. Before he can explain what it is, Klaatu is shot and wounded by a nervous soldier, who assumes the device is a weapon. In response, a large robot called Gort steps out of the spaceship and melts all weapons present without harming the soldiers, until the wounded Klaatu orders him to cease. Klaatu explains the "weapon" was a gift to the President and could have been used to study the other planets.

He is taken to Walter Reed Hospital and quickly recovers. While there, Klaatu meets the President's secretary, Mr. Harley, but is unable to convince him to organize a meeting of world leaders. Klaatu suggests the United Nations, but is told not all the world's countries are represented there, and later, that world leaders cannot even agree on a meeting place for such a momentous occasion. When Klaatu makes known his wish to live amongst ordinary people, to understand them better, Mr. Harley rebuffs him and implies that the alien patient is a prisoner. Later, Klaatu easily escapes into the night.

He goes to a boarding house and tells those living there his name is "Carpenter", taking the name from a laundry label on a suit he has taken. Among the residents are Helen Benson (Patricia Neal), an employee of the United States Department of Commerce, and her son Bobby (Billy Gray). Helen is a widow; her husband was killed at Anzio during World War II. The next morning, Klaatu listens to the radio commentator and breakfast table banter of the boarders. They wonder whether the spaceship is from outer space or perhaps the work of the Soviets. When Helen's boyfriend, Tom Stephens (Hugh Marlowe), plans a day-trip getaway for the two of them, Klaatu offers to take care of Bobby.

Bobby gives Klaatu a tour of Washington, D.C., including a visit to the grave of his father in Arlington National Cemetery, where Klaatu learns with dismay that most of those buried there were killed in wars. The two next visit the Lincoln Memorial and the heavily guarded spaceship where Gort stands motionless. Klaatu, impressed by the inscription of Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, is hopeful that there may be minds on Earth wise enough to understand his message. When he asks Bobby to name the greatest person in the world today, Bobby mentions a leading American scientist, Professor Barnhardt (Sam Jaffe), who lives nearby.

Bobby takes Klaatu to Barnhardt's home. The professor is absent, but Klaatu goes into his study and helps solve an advanced mathematical n-body problem written on a blackboard, before leaving his address with the housekeeper. Later, government agents escort Klaatu to see Barnhardt. Klaatu warns the professor that the people of the other planets know that human beings have developed atomic power and will not allow this to endanger them. Barnhardt offers Klaatu the opportunity to speak at an upcoming meeting of world scientists he is organizing; Klaatu accepts. Barnhardt is stunned when Klaatu declares that if his message is rejected by the leaders of the nations, "Planet Earth will be eliminated." The professor soberly pleads that Klaatu first provide a minor demonstration of his power as a warning.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/GortKlaatumessage.jpg

Klaatu returns to his spaceship that night to implement the professor's suggestion. Bobby trails him and is amazed to see his new friend enter the ship. When Tom Stephens and Helen Benson return from their evening out, Bobby tells them that Mr. Carpenter is the spaceman. They do not believe him at first, but when Bobby goes upstairs to bed, they notice that his shoes are soaking wet. Their suspicions grow when Tom finds an expensive diamond in Mr. Carpenter's room.

The following day, Tom takes the diamond to a jeweler, who claims that it is an unknown kind of diamond. Meeting Helen at work, Klaatu insists on speaking to her. While riding in an elevator, it stops. A series of montage scenes show that Klaatu has suppressed electric power all over the world (with exceptions for critical systems, such as hospitals, planes in flight etc.). This has literally brought the entire world to a standstill. During the blackout, Klaatu enlists Helen's aid. She urgently searches for Tom to explain everything to him, but he tells her that he intends to turn Klaatu in to the authorities, which will make him rich and famous. Helen rejects her boyfriend and rushes home to warn Klaatu. Together, they take a taxi cab to hide at Barnhardt's home until the upcoming meeting with the scientists. On the way, Klaatu tells Helen that if anything happens to him she must go to Gort and say, "Klaatu barada nikto." As they approach Barnhardt's, the army surrounds them, Klaatu runs from the cab, and he is shot dead.

Conquering her fear, Helen does as Klaatu instructed. The robot carries her into the spaceship, then retrieves Klaatu's corpse and brings him back to the spaceship where, using equipment on board, Klaatu is miraculously brought back to life. Klaatu steps out of the spaceship and speaks to the assembled scientists. He tells them Earth's penchant for violence and first steps into space have drawn the attention of other spacefaring worlds. These worlds have created a race of robot enforcers like Gort, and given them absolute power to deal with any outbreak of violence. He warns that the people of Earth can either abandon warfare and peacefully join other spacefaring nations – or be destroyed. "The decision rests with you." He then enters the spaceship and departs.

[BIGel]

im a political science major but i like to focus on theories so im not always that up to date on american politics. i am a leftist anarchist, but i vote and i would consider myself a strategic voter, i vote for a party who has more chances of winning seats so that there can be more of an influence as opposed to voting for a marajuana party who would probably not even win a seat...

i'd vote for obama, but im canadian...

i have yet to hear an even semi-reasonable explanation of how anarchy could work on any sort of major level. as a personal philsosophy i can understand, but are you really advocating changing america as a whole into an anarchist free-for-all? not being an ass, im genuinly curious..

[wafflecakee]

i have yet to hear an even semi-reasonable explanation of how anarchy could work on any sort of major level. as a personal philsosophy i can understand, but are you really advocating changing america as a whole into an anarchist free-for-all? not being an ass, im genuinly curious..

no its more of a personal philosophy however in a small scale i could show you how dedicated people could make it work and currently do. On a large scale its a dream but unrealistic. however we will see how long capitalism lasts...

marx said that only once global capitalism is acheived, which we are seeing with globalization, will we ever see a true global revolution and global communism. I cant see capitalism survive more than another 50 years give or take a few. It will be an exciting fifty years for sure.

[BIGel]

ah okay, my problem with people who want to bring about those type of changes is that if you have anarchy on a scale that large, you are forcing people to follow your way of thinking, theres no democracy in it. its a self-defeating theory. same with communism, in the end it all comes down to a group of people forcing others to agree with their way of thinking. democracy isnt perfect, but its better than the alternatives. i agree in the personal aspect though, i use it frequently in my own life.

[PG_Miscreant]

wow that was a pretty ignorant argument. you obviously dont know much about obama's stances on healthcare, the economy, national security, and the war iraq. the fact that obama is black has nothing to do with it for me...i acknowledge that its true some minorities will vote for obama just because of his color..but thats true for the opposite, i bet alot of people vote against him because of his race too, so i dont think its a fair comparison. our country is under attack from AL QUAEDA, who were NOT in iraq, as was proven, and because of our presence in iraq, have now started to flood there. so in effect we helped al quaeda become a force in iraq, where it was not before. its easy to begin suppressing civil liberties like weve been doing under the name of national security, but its easy to cross the line, and i think thats been done. what the united states is at war with is islam in general, it scares us because we dont know much about it. theres an a theory that the next "cold war" type scenario is starting right now, and its going to be a war of west v islam. islam isnt any more a fundamentally violent religion than christianity is, but islamic states happen to control a lot of oil so were there, do you really think the us would be in iraq if its major economic product were soybeans?

i didnt bother to read your whole post but FUCK OBAMA fuck healthcare this aint fuckin sweden this is America, hate commies
"we don't need no welfare state, everybody pulls his weight"

[wafflecakee]

ah okay, my problem with people who want to bring about those type of changes is that if you have anarchy on a scale that large, you are forcing people to follow your way of thinking, theres no democracy in it. its a self-defeating theory. same with communism, in the end it all comes down to a group of people forcing others to agree with their way of thinking. democracy isnt perfect, but its better than the alternatives. i agree in the personal aspect though, i use it frequently in my own life.

well what marx's ideas were written during the industrial revolution so they were a response to the horrible working conditions. Basically If global capitalism would succeed people would notice how they were being exploited and create a class war. You suggest that it would be people forcing these ideas however the theory suggests that the large margin of people who would be the lower class would realize and revolt. There would only be a small margin of people who would be forced however if this was a violent revolution they probably wouldnt survive...

methods of government come into practice (thesis), then are faced with an opposition (anti-thesis) and then present a new thesis. so we will see what happens...

[ForGiven]

True Communism is the Way!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cast LI]

you're an idiot

[PROMO]

Socialism!!!yay!!!

[BIGel]

i didnt bother to read your whole post but FUCK OBAMA fuck healthcare this aint fuckin sweden this is America, hate commies
"we don't need no welfare state, everybody pulls his weight"

that was one of the top 3 most retarded posts ive seen on this forum. you obviously live a life of total luxury on mom and pops expense account if healthcare isnt an issue to you or your family. if you knew anything about the healthcare system in general you'd know its financially way out of reach for the lower half of society, making healthcare affordable to all isnt being a commie, its being a responsible human being.

[Rots takes your Daughters]

Bigel, you're my lover

[hoax-er-One-er]

the elections a joke.
i think its rigged and hillary is going to win.

[Rots takes your Daughters]

I hope so

[Case-One]

fuck hillary clinton!!!!

[Case-One]

actually fuck all running for president!!!!! and hillary!!!

[Rots takes your Daughters]

Completely mature position to take. :rolleyes:

[Case-One]

oh yeah?

[Case-One]

besides obama, i haven't liked any of the other candidates, and i really am not to shure of him either

[Steel!]

word

[Rots takes your Daughters]

I plan on running in the next election.

Vote ROTEN 2012

[Steel!]

yeahhhh this will the first election im eligible to vote in

[Vagrant]

same here but I don't ever plan on voting.
Voting implies approval and I never plan on approving of this system of government.

[ForGiven]

im definitly votin for rots, or mickey mouse, or the rock. But rots would probably win. wafflecake, wafflecake, lalalala...im scared for america, this recession shit is messin up my shoppin.

[ForGiven]

did you all know that there is actually no law that requires you to file taxes?

[Rots takes your Daughters]

From someone in the public school system. I can assure you.


That is NOT where your tax money is going.

[ForGiven]

i agree totally.

[Rots takes your Daughters]

Does anyone in American actually intend to vote for Ron Paul? And if so


What the fuck is wrong with you?

[...uhh]

that was one of the top 3 most retarded posts ive seen on this forum. you obviously live a life of total luxury on mom and pops expense account if healthcare isnt an issue to you or your family. if you knew anything about the healthcare system in general you'd know its financially way out of reach for the lower half of society, making healthcare affordable to all isnt being a commie, its being a responsible human being.


no beef bigel....but...

healthcare is not garenteed anywhere in the constitution... so its really not the gov job to give it to you. the idea that healthcare is out of reach for the lower half of society is false....their are already programs thta give healthcare to htem...recently i learned that 2/3 of the uninsured children in america are already eligible for government healthcare....also when the gov spews the number 43 million americans are uninsured today... a considerable number of those ppl are without insurance...for like a month to 6 months....then they get a new/better job, or get put on a family members insurance or sometimes their insurance simply runs out because they forgot to pay, or even some ppl are rich enouhg where they dont need health insurance and simply pay the doc and hospital whatever the fee is...my point is not all of the 43million ppl without healthinsurance are poor ppl in a shelter eating handouts.....

about being rich and having mommy adn daddys money i cant speak for the guy u quoted but for me i am definatley lower middle class...and i ( and everyone else in my immediate family) have health insurance....sure we wish it was cheaper but se la vie...

about it being communistic....well it is....i mean remmeber no big changes were ever made in a day they all happen slowly...and governmetn healthcare is a piece of communism....so it is communistic...also once the gov gets the power to be our doctor it gets loads more power...it can start controlling things like what we eat....what activities we engage in (ie mandatory exercise or no extreme sports that could cause u to hurt yourself) it just becomes very scare the foot hold the government gets after that...

also while im at it can someone give me a reason why they government shouldnt pay my car insurance bill, house insurance, or flood insurance bill?
:)

[PROMO]

Because they are the government, and they support the insurance market. If they controlled the entire insurance market, then they would be breaking their own laws(anti-trust acts) by turning the government into a monopoly.

[ForGiven]

despite what you believe, the government is already a monopoly!! Im bout to move to canada, they gonna take over the world and you aint gotta pay for healthcare!

[ForGiven]

Who the fuck is ron paul?

[Rots takes your Daughters]

He's the batshit crazy guy.

[Steel!]

i went down to tucson a couple months ago and fucking every other car had a ron paul bumper sticker on it. so did every bus stop and sign in the fucking city

[Rots takes your Daughters]

They're insane


You have to be insane to be a Ron Paul supporter

Even Rots isn't that loopy

[T O K E]

Clitnon Won Texas And Ohio, :[

[Rots takes your Daughters]

And Rhode Island, I couldn't be happier

[PROMO]

God I can't stand Hilary Clinton.

[Brian Peppers]

Bring Lenin Back!

[Steel!]

john Lennon u mean

[wafflecakee]

Clitnon Won Texas And Ohio, :[

im bummed... dammit obama step up your game.

[BIGel]

no beef bigel....but...

healthcare is not garenteed anywhere in the constitution... so its really not the gov job to give it to you. the idea that healthcare is out of reach for the lower half of society is false....their are already programs thta give healthcare to htem...recently i learned that 2/3 of the uninsured children in america are already eligible for government healthcare....also when the gov spews the number 43 million americans are uninsured today... a considerable number of those ppl are without insurance...for like a month to 6 months....then they get a new/better job, or get put on a family members insurance or sometimes their insurance simply runs out because they forgot to pay, or even some ppl are rich enouhg where they dont need health insurance and simply pay the doc and hospital whatever the fee is...my point is not all of the 43million ppl without healthinsurance are poor ppl in a shelter eating handouts.....

about being rich and having mommy adn daddys money i cant speak for the guy u quoted but for me i am definatley lower middle class...and i ( and everyone else in my immediate family) have health insurance....sure we wish it was cheaper but se la vie...

about it being communistic....well it is....i mean remmeber no big changes were ever made in a day they all happen slowly...and governmetn healthcare is a piece of communism....so it is communistic...also once the gov gets the power to be our doctor it gets loads more power...it can start controlling things like what we eat....what activities we engage in (ie mandatory exercise or no extreme sports that could cause u to hurt yourself) it just becomes very scare the foot hold the government gets after that...

also while im at it can someone give me a reason why they government shouldnt pay my car insurance bill, house insurance, or flood insurance bill?
:)

firstly, assuming that a 250 year old document is entirely as relevant today as it was then is insane..thats why we have amendments. im not suggesting that healthcare is entirely footed by the government, but doesnt it strike you as strange that the united states is the ONLY industrialized country in the world without universal healthcare? the costs of healthcare are rising way way faster than income, and thousands and thousands of people every year lose everything because of medical bills, its the single biggest cause of bankruptsy now. pharmaceutical companies dont help by holding virtual monopolies over certain patents that let them inflate prices hundreds of times what they're actually worth. 15 percent of america has no health insurance period, and thats a consistent number derived from continuous studies, not some random census' every ten years.

and the notion that the government helping subsidize healthcare is a slippery slope toward socialism is a pretty lazy argument. the us ranks something like 40 in quality of healthcare worldwide, which is real low considering were the most powerful country on earth. if you gave people without insurance a choice between basic medical attention and a "maybe" and "what if" scenario about socialism, i guarantee you they'd all take what they need to survive.

[T O K E]

also once the gov gets the power to be our doctor it gets loads more power...it can start controlling things like what we eat....what activities we engage in (ie mandatory exercise or no extreme sports that could cause u to hurt yourself) it just becomes very scare the foot hold the government gets after that...


that would never happen, try and amke a realistic point as to why healthcare wouldnt be a good thing, it works up north

[jape-the-nape]

i dont worry about old men and women with stapled sheets of paper behind mahogany podiums on the telivision,because im going to die one day and it wont matter then

[sketch3]

that would never happen, try and amke a realistic point as to why healthcare wouldnt be a good thing, it works up north
yes it would, the uk has national health care and shit like that happens all the time,
physical education (gym) is the only mandatory class
they band smoking in th work place
schools have to serve healthy options
mcdonalds ads arnt alloweed during kids tv
lots more shit aswell

pluss free health cares all well and good untill u take into acount the amount of people who use hospitals daily, our health service is under massive strain due to lack of funding...and englands smaller thansome us states, think what it would be like for you guys

[cankilla]

fuck all political views, bomb parlament

[sketch3]

fuck all political views, bomb parlament
ur so cool
fuck the police, im a loose cog in the system...
the man shot tupac

[Rots takes your Daughters]

Hahahahahah

[ca$hville]

thp8.

[Brian Peppers]

Anyone else a fan of communism?

Yeah, i know it will never work, and never has. You need a "leader" that isn't a greedy asshole and when there are too many people involved, someone is jerking off and fucks it up.

Anyone want to conquer a bottom left section of Canada and claim it our own? I'm not kidding.

[...uhh]

firstly, assuming that a 250 year old document is entirely as relevant today as it was then is insane..thats why we have amendments. im not suggesting that healthcare is entirely footed by the government, but doesnt it strike you as strange that the united states is the ONLY industrialized country in the world without universal healthcare? the costs of healthcare are rising way way faster than income, and thousands and thousands of people every year lose everything because of medical bills, its the single biggest cause of bankruptsy now. pharmaceutical companies dont help by holding virtual monopolies over certain patents that let them inflate prices hundreds of times what they're actually worth. 15 percent of america has no health insurance period, and thats a consistent number derived from continuous studies, not some random census' every ten years.

and the notion that the government helping subsidize healthcare is a slippery slope toward socialism is a pretty lazy argument. the us ranks something like 40 in quality of healthcare worldwide, which is real low considering were the most powerful country on earth. if you gave people without insurance a choice between basic medical attention and a "maybe" and "what if" scenario about socialism, i guarantee you they'd all take what they need to survive.



so ur saying that the constitution is outdated?...its only 250 years old....so becaues the constitution is outdated, should we take away womens suffarage and black freedom from slavery? it is outdated......
no we shouldnt...the constitution was purposely written vaugley to insure we had room to work with it....i highly disagree its outdated...politcicians and political parties on the other hand....haha

it doesnt strike me as strange when i have a grandmother that lives in italy with so called universal healthcare....the government told the ppl " u pay ur taxes and we will foot all the bills for ur healthcare" bull....my grandmother...(a retired nurse) told me she still has to pay a copay on her governments healthcare bill....and the government dosent cover everything so she still had to buy private insurance!!! so now instead of paying for just health insurance and maybe a small copay here and there , she pays ass loads of taxes for complete "universal" healthcare , copays on the govs bill, and then her private health insurance, and then copays on that.government healthcare doesnt work.

also my great aunt who lives with my grandmother has alzheimers, and a bunch of other degenerative diseases. she is about 88 years old....my grandmother took her to the doctor...(2 different times the first she left because they told her we cant see u today we are too busy...) when she finally got to see the doctor he told her yeah she has these things that u thouhgt she had, alzheimers and the rest....but lemme call hte gov and see if they will pay the medication bills....................*ring*ring*.............n ope they wont...sry she is gonna die painfully , and then he said to my grand mother "well she is 88 years old anyway she wasnt gonna live much longer anyway"

AT LEAST OVER HERE IF U HAVE THE MONEY U WILL GET TREATED AND THE GOVERNMENT CANT TELL ANYONE ELSE WHO LIVES OR DIES


universal healthcare is like shit with a bow tied around it . it looks pretty caues of the bow but its still shit.....universal healthcare is why canada is losin doctors offices at alarming rates...universal healthcare is why in england they are making ppl wait in the ambulance before they are seen....universal healthcare is why doctors and the government decide who lives and dies....

TOKE: they also said the titanic would never sink,the world trade centers would never fall if hit, neworleans would never flood, the colonists will never rebel.... ur insane if u think it will never happen....im pretty sure u dont have a crystal ball....

dont get me started on the QUALITY of universal healthcare....


sry i got heated but it is wildly important this issue....it could change the face of the world ....i said world...

drug companies = fail, i will agree to that ,but instead of burning the us system of helathcare to the ground how about making it better... how about seeing to it that americans in poverty are taught to get jobs where they can get healthinsurance?!? is that a crazy idea?

[Brian Peppers]

yes it would, the uk has national health care and shit like that happens all the time,
physical education (gym) is the only mandatory class
they band smoking in th work place
schools have to serve healthy options
mcdonalds ads arnt alloweed during kids tv
lots more shit aswell

pluss free health cares all well and good untill u take into acount the amount of people who use hospitals daily, our health service is under massive strain due to lack of funding...and englands smaller thansome us states, think what it would be like for you guys

Apparently the English classes they have over there aren't working too well... That is if you're from the UK...

[STR-WHO]

Compared to the so called "democracy" we have in most "democratic" countries, I think communism works really well. Look at Cuba, because no one is giving money their entire concentration like we do in our capitalistic country, they are concentrating on improving the school system, the healthcare, the people. Cuba has the highest literacy rate in the world, and the most efficient health care, the source comes from UN website. I think communism is a great alternative to what we say is democracy, but obviously it's not perfect. Some communist leaders are waaaay to self centered, like Kim Jong II, but I'd much rather have a communist government, than a Canadian Democratic government who keeps people of interest in terrorism cases in prison for 8 years without a charge, or who's police harass working class people, or where the rich are excused from their moral duties as citizens, so yes, I am a fan of communism

[...uhh]

^^^HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH........no

[...uhh]

sry meant that for brian peppers and strwho....ur silly

[STR-WHO]

thanks

[sketch3]

Apparently the English classes they have over there aren't working too well... That is if you're from the UK...
im dyslexic, but ur joke backfired cuss they are failing.

[Brian Peppers]

My condolences...

im dyslexic.

Thank you for such an influential and important post...

^^^HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH........no


Cuba's prior government was shit at one point, wonder why someone took over and did things for the country. If you build a country on a poor mans idea, of course it's going to work. When some capitalist mother fucker tries to shape a country's ideals, then about 99.9% of the time there is a large majority of the population getting raped financially or medically. If you build upon something when you're already at the bottom, everything above you goes up and rarely anything falls behind you. But if you're trying to pull a shit hole out while you're already on the top... not even worth it.

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/d/dc/Hammer_and_sickle.png/50px-Hammer_and_sickle.png

[...uhh]

hahaha dude i loled so hard....im done playing adult in this forum.....imma let someone else tell u why ur wrong....sry i got english homework lol then i gotta smoke a blunt

[STR-WHO]

My condolences...


Thank you for such an influential and important post...



Cuba's prior government was shit at one point, wonder why someone took over and did things for the country. If you build a country on a poor mans idea, of course it's going to work. When some capitalist mother fucker tries to shape a country's ideals, then about 99.9% of the time there is a large majority of the population getting raped financially or medically. If you build upon something when you're already at the bottom, everything above you goes up and rarely anything falls behind you. But if you're trying to pull a shit hole out while you're already on the top... not even worth it.

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/d/dc/Hammer_and_sickle.png/50px-Hammer_and_sickle.png

i agree with you completely fuck capitalism long live bakunin

[Brian Peppers]

hahaha dude i loled so hard....im done playing adult in this forum.....imma let someone else tell u why ur wrong....sry i got english homework lol then i gotta smoke a blunt

I wasn't saying anyone else was wrong. I was just trying to voice my opinion. If you ever live in a communist government for a few years, get back to me about how you feel about it. Otherwise i recognize your opinion but i wish you could just get your head out of your ass and try and understand others.

[MontanaPainter]

fuck school


i get to go out to dinner tonight whoooo

[PROMO]

My condolences...


Thank you for such an influential and important post...



Cuba's prior government was shit at one point, wonder why someone took over and did things for the country. If you build a country on a poor mans idea, of course it's going to work. When some capitalist mother fucker tries to shape a country's ideals, then about 99.9% of the time there is a large majority of the population getting raped financially or medically. If you build upon something when you're already at the bottom, everything above you goes up and rarely anything falls behind you. But if you're trying to pull a shit hole out while you're already on the top... not even worth it.

http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/d/dc/Hammer_and_sickle.png/50px-Hammer_and_sickle.png
Communism doesn't really work. Sure it is the working mans government, and the people are forced to live within its boundaries, but officials hardly ever do. Its this thing called corruption. I'm not saying our country or any other isn't corrupt, but look at communist countries. Their leaders rob the people telling them they are all equal and that their well being is being monitored by the government, but it hardly ever is. The people are given false hope as the leaders who present it to them break their own code. Also, the laws in communist countries are usually really strict. If a writer gets caught, they end up on like death row.

[STR-WHO]

Communism doesn't really work. Sure it is the working mans government, and the people are forced to live within its boundaries, but officials hardly ever do. Its this thing called corruption. I'm not saying our country or any other isn't corrupt, but look at communist countries. Their leaders rob the people telling them they are all equal and that their well being is being monitored by the government, but it hardly ever is. The people are given false hope as the leaders who present it to them break their own code. Also, the laws in communist countries are usually really strict. If a writer gets caught, they end up on like death row.

if a writer gets caught they end up on like death row? That's complete bullshit, and a complete biased opinion. The only time you end up on death row is if you kill a government official or a spy. You don't think that capitalistic leaders rob the people? Obviously communism is not perfect,but its a hundred times better than this imperialistic capitalistic AIPAC government, in the sense that at least they PRETEND to care about us, this government doesn't even pretend to give two shits about the people, and instead just feed lies to everyone about how bad all the other countries governments are, (ex: Russia, Cuba, NK, Venezuela, Bolivia). Research a little more, from non biased sources towards communism

Long live bakunin

[cast LI]

i know this has nothign to do with politics of the world

but in relation to bombingscience politics.

WHY TEH FUCK DID ROTS GET BANNED?!

[wafflecakee]

i heard it was racism.

[Backalley Abortion Doctor]

I heard it was pure, unadulterated sexual passion for him. Hepos couldn't bare his sexual tension, so banned him forever to rid himself of his urges.

So I've heard.

[STR-WHO]

hahaha if rots did get kicked of for racism, thats uber lame

[Steel!]

^^lmao hahahahahaha

[PG_Miscreant]

ok did any of you even read Animal Farm in school? if not go read it, that book alone disproves all communist marxist socialist bullshit entirely
Communism goes against human nature we are greedy and the smarter n meaner people will always get ahead and rule the weak stupid ones. its social darwinism
and im rightwing but id like to point out that evolution is fact so is darwinism fuck christianity/zionist bs
btw i just like debating im not tryin to beef w/ yall

[Steel!]

zionism? as in judaism...?

last i checked jews believed in evolution.. just saying..

[BIGel]

ok did any of you even read Animal Farm in school? if not go read it, that book alone disproves all communist marxist socialist bullshit entirely
Communism goes against human nature we are greedy and the smarter n meaner people will always get ahead and rule the weak stupid ones. its social darwinism
and im rightwing but id like to point out that evolution is fact so is darwinism fuck christianity/zionist bs
btw i just like debating im not tryin to beef w/ yall

i think its a given that argument in this thread isnt beefing, its entire purpose is to debate so fire away guys.

i agree with you on this, and i dont want anybody to get the impression i support communism, because i think its unrealistic, oppresive bullshit...i just support certain tenents of socialism when applied in a democractic society..ie universal healthcare. social darwinism always struck me as a cop out though to excuse how the rich are able to control the poor. eh whatever though.

anybody see the ohio and texas primaries? i was saddened to see the beast is still in the race..and i guess it was a given that mccain was going to win the republicans nomination.

[TESTER]

ok does anybody think that America will REALLY elect that bull dike as our president... b/c i dont think they will. obama and mcain yes but the angry bitch i dont think america is ready for that phyco.... who are people going to vote for and why?? just wondering

[AMansNotACamel]

i'm pretty sure people will be idiots and say, "Obama, cos he's black." Please don't, Australia needs America NOT to have an isolationist policy.

[STR-WHO]

zionism? as in judaism...?

last i checked jews believed in evolution.. just saying..

zionism is not judaism, which is a common misperception which is why people think that being anti-zionist is being anti-semitic. Zionist's believe that Jews are the supreme race, and that Israel is their rightful property and land, so in 1949, they masacred palestinians kicked them out of their homes, established jewish settlements, and called it Israel. In the meantime, they were sending palestinians to refugee camps, like Shabra and Shatila, unfortunatly, this was not enough for the israelis, and in the 80's they sent the Israeli Army after different refugee camps, and massacred everyone in them. At the moment, Arabs living in "Israel" (or the occupied territories, like Tel Aviv, Jerusalem ect...) are not allowed to vote, use some public places, and are often subject to interrogation, short terms in prison, for fear of "terrorism". A giant wall has been built around Israel, preventing the Palestinians from leaving, preventing any aid from the Red Crescent, leaving the Palestinians to die. Basically, Apartheid is being implemented, and no one gives a shit. Almost everyone views Israel as a legitimate country, and have no problem about how they kill children, or force palestinian men to give their ID's at checkpoints, and if their Arab, they have to get naked and stand outside for 45 minutes, (source is from Jimmy Carters book, Peace not Apartheid), Everyone should research this.

[ForGiven]

so zionist are like jewish nazis............... funny as shit.

[Steel!]

hmm and yet thats not true..

[STR-WHO]

hmmm and yet...it is!

[Zealot]

i agree with you on this, and i dont want anybody to get the impression i support communism, because i think its unrealistic, oppresive bullshit...i just support certain tenents of socialism when applied in a democractic society..ie universal healthcare. social darwinism always struck me as a cop out though to excuse how the rich are able to control the poor. eh whatever though.



Universal Health care is a tricky issue. Canada is one of the only countries in the world with Universal health care that is almost entirely publicly funded and where obtaining private care is illegal. In a recent study of nations with universal health care we were ranked last in terms of quality and last in terms of bang for buck.

Why?

Because without any incentive to become more efficient because of the lack of competition hospitals just suck money up.

We also currently give lump sums of money to hospitals regardless of how money patients it sees.

Anyhow lesson is total Universal health care doesn't work. Completely private health care doesn't work. You've got to find the proper balance, which I have a feeling Obama and Hillary won't accomplish.

[BIGel]

i agree but if the competition is so good for our system how come were ranked 41 in quality of overall healthcare then? i dont think we have to sacrifice 15 percent of the poplulation's health problems just to keep the quality high, there is a middle ground like you said.

[T O K E]

I give you guys food fight

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e-yldqNkGfo

[Brian Peppers]

Communism doesn't really work. Sure it is the working mans government, and the people are forced to live within its boundaries, but officials hardly ever do. Its this thing called corruption. I'm not saying our country or any other isn't corrupt, but look at communist countries. Their leaders rob the people telling them they are all equal and that their well being is being monitored by the government, but it hardly ever is. The people are given false hope as the leaders who present it to them break their own code. Also, the laws in communist countries are usually really strict. If a writer gets caught, they end up on like death row.

i actually agree with you completly. Communism is good in theory, but it never fucking works. When i grew up i lived in one, and i feel it worked a little better than the US's fucked up government. But i really dont want to raise a family in a commie government but also not in some bullshit american government. thats why i'm saying we should build an island and float it out off the coast of new jersey and claim it our own.

[T O K E]

do you live in osuth or north jersey?

[Steel!]

heres a side question.. i know theres a shit load of radicals on BS but if u had to classify BS as either right wing or left wing, what would it be?

im guessing left..

[BIGel]

hahah its hard to imagine right wing conservatives cruising a graffiti forum.

[wafflecakee]

i'm assuming most of the members are under the age of 35, and as they say if you're not a communist and you're under 35 you've got no heart but, if you're a communist and you're over 35 you've got no brain.

my brain will retire at 35...

[ForGiven]

wafflecake.....wafflecake...lalala..i made it into a song. im a communist, in my world. bs is left wing...lallallalalala..wafflecake yum yum! lol.

[wafflecakee]

everytime i post you have to ramble on... I am not a communist, I am an anarchist.

[sketch3]

how would anerchy work?
fuck any political movement that wants stop brodcasting tv and stop farming pigs

[wafflecakee]

"anerchy" wont. anarchism does on a small scale and already has. Read about spain in 1936.

[sketch3]

i cant be arsed

[cast LI]

anarchy works fine in small communes

ie christendom in holland


it was a anarchist village where marijuana was legal (obviously...anarchy...no laws) and everone rode bikes and the whole village was covered in graffiti. then the dutch government was like "not good!" and shut the shit down.

[sketch3]

but i couldnt work on a large scale, especialy now days

[wafflecakee]

much solidarity cast LI

[cast LI]

but i couldnt work on a large scale, especialy now days

unfortunately not.

and yes wafflecake. i fucking love solidarity.

[cezns]

Anarchy will never work.
Communism will never work.

[wafflecakee]

arrogance obviously works.

[cezns]

now you're talking.

[cast LI]

on a political note

governer of NY elliot spitzer(douchebag) was just exposed to be involved with this massive prostitution ring

high class bitches, like 5 grand an hour or some shit.

we think (and hope) he's gonan resign within the week

edit: i feel like i should explain more

the reason this pisses everyone off so much is that his entire political career has been preaching about ethics and how we're gonna fix shit but it has to be in an ethical way blah blah blah just talked bullshit.

and i have some personal reasons but i'd rather not share

re edit:: ^^that doesn't mean im related to him lol i just dont feel liek taking the time to type out he whole story. point is. he's a hypocritical asshole.

[Ignorant_youth]

Alright from what I have read its obvious most of you have no idea what is going on in the goverment.

Woodrow Wilson
"my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit.
Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation,
therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.
We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely
controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world.
No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by
conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by
the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Just to get started are country isnt controlled by the goverment its controlled by the bankers, the federal bankers to be specific. Who in fact are not federal at all since they have no ties to the goverment besides controlling its money supply. That is just one quote out of many from presidents and others high in the goverment that let you know the truth even though people have chose to ignore it.

Your vote dosent matter. and neither does the president. The president is nothing but a puppet are current president being a perfect example. You really think that moron could have been elected normally.

You cant run to canada either...the president already signed a declaration declaring all of north america one country erasing all borders. There by destroying the Constitution. Its called the North American union and most people have never even heard of it. Along with it will also comes a new form of currency called the Amaro.

9-11 was an inside job. I know all of you have seen the bumper stickers but its no joke. There is a pile of evidence a mile high. and its not the first time it has happend. The former FBI chief was recorded telling about multiple bombings conducted by the CIA and FBI. For example the first bombing of the World Trade centers...but not enough people died to push the bill for the department of homeland security through. Which takes away most of are rights.

Right now the goverment has a right to search your house, tap your phone, and take you in to custody without a warrant. they also have the right to torture you all under the suspsion that your a terrorist (which means someone envoking fear not that your bombing anything or actully harming anyone) for example if this scares you they could arrest and torture me right now and never allow me a lawyer or give an explanation for what I did or what happend to me. And I hope I am scaring you. Ignorant fucking people

theres so much more to know. So if you want to know more just message me

[wafflecakee]

as much as i agree with you Ignorant Youth, i hate 9-11 conspiracies.

fuck it, i hated world trade anyways.


and i hate Spitzer too, i was hoping he wouldnt have made it through the day.

[Case-One]

ignorant youth, your preaching to the choir, most people on here know whats going on, but, it's easier to fuck around and be goofy then get all serious about how fucking controlled we are, just relax, thats why i wish i woulda kept my eyes shut 4 years ago when i started to understand whats going on around us, thats the model, EYES SHUT

[Ignorant_youth]

Im not starting a riot or protest or anything you dont see me giving speechs...but the truth is most people actully dont know its really sad. and people should know even if thier not going to do anything. So when someone stands up to the goverment everyone knows whos side they should be on. its not gonna be me no matter how much I hate the corruption of the goverment and the ignorance of the people. but atleast I will have thier back when and if someone does something about it

[cast LI]

yeah dude you ptu shit on the table but case brings up a good point. your talking a bunch of government hating graffiti writers, theres no one here to convert

wafflecake are you in NY? pm me

[Case-One]

yeah i will too, i'm right here for a fuckin riot to start, take this motherfucka down and start over, but were to dumb as americans to do some shit like that, were scared the government will do something, but thats the point exactly

[Ignorant_youth]

look its a political thread and their talking about who their going to vote for obviously they dont know and dont hate the goverment enough to not vote. and basically that was for the people who dont know not for educated writers

[cast LI]

word iight

[sketch3]

look its a political thread and their talking about who their going to vote for obviously they dont know and dont hate the goverment enough to not vote. and basically that was for the people who dont know not for educated writers
not voting wont do shit, unless everyone dosnt vote.
yes all government are corupt pricks but no matter wat way of socsiotey people follow theres allways gunna be sum power hungry cunt in charge,
atleast with democrecie we get to choose the cunt

[Ignorant_youth]

well yea...like I said earlier if someone actully stood up and started talking bad about the goverment they would bag that motherfucker quick it would be like v for vendetta style. thats why even the people who could do something wont.

I would try but nobody would listen to a 17 year old graffiti artist

[Ignorant_youth]

not voting wont do shit, unless everyone dosnt vote.


but voting wont do anything either and thats my point thier seriously talking about who should be president like it matters

I guess at some level it does but not in this election...this election is a joke.

[sketch3]

well im not from the us i cant speak on ur election.

[Steel!]

Alright from what I have read its obvious most of you have no idea what is going on in the goverment.

Woodrow Wilson
"my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit.
Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation,
therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.
We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely
controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world.
No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by
conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by
the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Just to get started are country isnt controlled by the goverment its controlled by the bankers, the federal bankers to be specific. Who in fact are not federal at all since they have no ties to the goverment besides controlling its money supply. That is just one quote out of many from presidents and others high in the goverment that let you know the truth even though people have chose to ignore it.

Your vote dosent matter. and neither does the president. The president is nothing but a puppet are current president being a perfect example. You really think that moron could have been elected normally.

You cant run to canada either...the president already signed a declaration declaring all of north america one country erasing all borders. There by destroying the Constitution. Its called the North American union and most people have never even heard of it. Along with it will also comes a new form of currency called the Amaro.

9-11 was an inside job. I know all of you have seen the bumper stickers but its no joke. There is a pile of evidence a mile high. and its not the first time it has happend. The former FBI chief was recorded telling about multiple bombings conducted by the CIA and FBI. For example the first bombing of the World Trade centers...but not enough people died to push the bill for the department of homeland security through. Which takes away most of are rights.

Right now the goverment has a right to search your house, tap your phone, and take you in to custody without a warrant. they also have the right to torture you all under the suspsion that your a terrorist (which means someone envoking fear not that your bombing anything or actully harming anyone) for example if this scares you they could arrest and torture me right now and never allow me a lawyer or give an explanation for what I did or what happend to me. And I hope I am scaring you. Ignorant fucking people

theres so much more to know. So if you want to know more just message me

it would really help you argument if you actually used correct grammar. ie using "are" every fucking time u meant to put "our".

[Ignorant_youth]

^yea my teachers always give me shit about that but I can help it besides that I actully have decent grammar and a pretty good vocabulary.

and besides I think thats of little importance compared to the point I was trying to make...so you can keep your english lessons to yourself

[Steel!]

fun fact: ppl take u more seriously if u look like u know what ur talking about

[Ignorant_youth]

...regardless if I look like I know what im talking about or not I do. and everyone else seem to have noticed that.

and now I could go and talk about how instead of using "your" you use "ur" which could be considered worse since your consciously misusing grammer instead of accidently.

the point is what your saying is still of very little importance compared to what I said. even in school in essays grammar is of minimal importance. so dont try to push this.

[Steel!]

lol

[Grafthink]

Alright from what I have read its obvious most of you have no idea what is going on in the goverment.

Woodrow Wilson
"my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit.
Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation,
therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.
We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely
controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world.
No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by
conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by
the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

Just to get started are country isnt controlled by the goverment its controlled by the bankers, the federal bankers to be specific. Who in fact are not federal at all since they have no ties to the goverment besides controlling its money supply. That is just one quote out of many from presidents and others high in the goverment that let you know the truth even though people have chose to ignore it.

Your vote dosent matter. and neither does the president. The president is nothing but a puppet are current president being a perfect example. You really think that moron could have been elected normally.

You cant run to canada either...the president already signed a declaration declaring all of north america one country erasing all borders. There by destroying the Constitution. Its called the North American union and most people have never even heard of it. Along with it will also comes a new form of currency called the Amaro.

9-11 was an inside job. I know all of you have seen the bumper stickers but its no joke. There is a pile of evidence a mile high. and its not the first time it has happend. The former FBI chief was recorded telling about multiple bombings conducted by the CIA and FBI. For example the first bombing of the World Trade centers...but not enough people died to push the bill for the department of homeland security through. Which takes away most of are rights.

Right now the goverment has a right to search your house, tap your phone, and take you in to custody without a warrant. they also have the right to torture you all under the suspsion that your a terrorist (which means someone envoking fear not that your bombing anything or actully harming anyone) for example if this scares you they could arrest and torture me right now and never allow me a lawyer or give an explanation for what I did or what happend to me. And I hope I am scaring you. Ignorant fucking people

theres so much more to know. So if you want to know more just message me

word up this stuff is true.. Except i think the reason people dont know about it is because the lack of reality in the media. the people in charge have the media under wraps, and theyve admitted it. Thats why i dont really watch TV. It's also why if you drive down the street you see 30 girls rocking the same hoodie and tight jeans. people made their own uniforms because its "cool" It's also why everyones mind is in the gutter and so many people are on "miracle diets". It's all a distraction, a fake facade that is used to steal your money, and in stealing your money, stealing the time you worked to make that money.. Thus taking your life from you. As much as anyone wants to denounce the ideal, i'm an Anarchist.

[Ignorant_youth]

yea I forgot to mention that in my rant...everything on tv is designed to distract your attention or warp your mind into believing all the bullshit they spit out.

[...uhh]

tribute to communism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyUu-8nbd58

[wafflecakee]

this tribute to communism is stupid. communism has never been tried.

the russian revolution was lead by intellectuals. there was no proletariat involved...

[...uhh]

^^^rofl

[cast LI]

well yea...like I said earlier if someone actully stood up and started talking bad about the goverment they would bag that motherfucker quick it would be like v for vendetta style. thats why even the people who could do something wont.

I would try but nobody would listen to a 17 year old graffiti artist

not true dude tons of people openly talk shit about the government every single day in the wide open. the problem isn't that, its that if there was an actual uprising it would be shut down lickity split. we have the most powerful army in the world, im not being a patriotic douchebag, just making a statement. so if there was a rebelion the army would be like SHWOOM and it would be gone. i'll continue this later.

[Steel!]

yea and did u say nobody would listen to a graffiti artist? you have got to be kidding me.. im not attacking u or anything but shepard's OBEY GIANT campaign has been successful beyond belief in getting peoples attention and influencing them.. theres tons of others who have impacted society thru graff.. bansky is prolly the other biggest tho i know im missing someone else really big..

[wafflecakee]

meek has done a pretty good job of that too.

[wafflecakee]

^^^rofl


hey, congratulations on a great response. if you want to talk about it i'd be more than glad to prove my point of view however, your actions already tell me your political views are very naive and you seem close minded. so i wont try.

[...uhh]

of course the conservative is alaways close minded...

lol im laughing at u because from ur responses a system of gov that fenced ppl IN, killed all oppisition, and has been left behind by serious thinkers, ...needs to be given another shot.

but i suppose the ends alaways justify the means...

[wafflecakee]

conservatism is close mindedness, its an attachment to tradition and fear of change and reform.

as i said before communism has never acutally been put in practice. marxist-leninism was basicly another authoritarian regime. Lenin admired marx but his practices were in no way anywhere near marx's theories.

as for this so called communism being a massacre, capitalism does so as well but on others' soil.

has left wing ideologies been left behind by serious thinkers? well lets look at Noam Chomsky or Naomi Klein...

and you should suppose the ends jusitfy the means, thats basicly the machiavelli mindset that all right wing individualists share.