Is Graffiti Art?

[annie2104]

YES yes it is art! even handstyles some dudes got crazy styles i mean its like did you spend all your time in jail coming up with that handstyle bomb whatever i visited NYC last year and saw some MTA (the crew..) i had seen pics of DESA but if you see it in person the way he must have come up with his shit is just crazy...

[southgate]

I think graffiti is art but I can see how it is vandalism.... If someone asked me to choose though I would say graffiti is art.

[Aero]

to me graffin is an art in it's whole structure...even a tag needs research and work to get to a nice style....

[DEVILEFK]

art belongs in a museum
graffitiiiii belongs on the streets
aero.... ur gay.

[Myme]

Yes it's art, it's not an attractive form of art (at least the tags and bombs) because let's face it, they're only attactive to writers and not to the general public, but there is no way you can say that piecing is not art, it takes all the elements of art including talent, structure, proportions, etc etc etc.

basically the pieces are art and the tags/bombs/rollers/ are just there to gain fame. And none of that "If art is a crime then let god forgive me bullshit" because you could do Graffiti on a canvas and it's not a crime, but it's not graffiti. Someone could paint the Mona Lisa on a Highway sign and although it may be art, it's still somewhere where it shouldn't be, on other people's property

[vegimite on toast]

Boring thread.

[Ume]

Boring post.

[JadedSketches]

Boring Mom.

[Ume]

Boring cheznians. ;)

[JadedSketches]

Shut up!

[it-cant-rain-all-the-timelalala]

Originally posted by DEVILEFK@Nov 3 2005, 06:15 PM
art belongs in a museum
graffitiiiii belongs on the streets
aero.... ur gay.
yeah museum!!

[ACTION NEWS...]

I TOTLAY BOMED A MUSEM

[`~SNEK~']

i think that any medieum applied to a surface is art. no matter if its tagging, pencil, oil, paint, spraypaint, whatever... its considered art in many colleges.. and no matter how crappy it is i think its art... even snakes pieces of shit bombs and throwups are art... no matter how bad it is... <_<

[FIGHT THE BUFF]

i think any type of graffiti wether throws, tags or pieces is art because art is just creation and progression, and graffiti definatley is something you work at to get better. even the technique for doing it, using the can well, making your work clean, that takes skill and is an art on it's own. it's vandalism aswell, but it's where art and crime meet, thats why its so fun.

[fannypack uprock]

considering theres those new york art fags that say 'my life is my aaaght' or 'i express my aaaght through my movements' and that gay shit i guess graff could definately be art. but it just depends on how you wanna see it.

[Dr. Coffee]

porn is art

[neaksta]

grafff is allll art a handstyle is a huge part in art its style form everything piecing to and bombs alsooo just a different kind the fill in a bomb and everything has to d with arrt the structure who eevr says graff not a art is dumbbb

[Ume]

No, graffiti is not art...it's trash and everyone on these forums should stop now, it is illegal and it makes your cities look ugly and make people not want to visit. It also shows people that you just don't care about that part of town, it promotes crime and that costs the government money.

So please, everyone stop.

[Dr. Coffee]

drugs are art

[Mse]

yes drugs and alchohol and fat bitches wearing thongs are art

graff is art to you and other writers otherwise no

[Kustom]

I think full color bombs are art. Scribbling shit on a mail box on the other hand is not art. I like to go out with the hope of putting up something people will look at and be like hmmm i wonder how they did that, thats kinda cool. I think if you out doing that then yes its art but if your just scribbling your name over a bathroom mirror then no i dont think thats art. To me its kinda 2 sided but to each his own B)

[VAbomber]

YES graffiti is a art not a crime

[ASEN]

^^^Wow, your opinions really suck.

[Craze]

Graff in itself will always b vandalism i agree with gusus because unless u have any type of premission then it is illiegal. but thats how graff started illiegaly against the odds and against the pigs as a way to rebel against the system using our "skills" to do so. there is art in every aspect of Hip Hop as a whole. Lyrical music art of course it is. djing mixing scratching n all that good stuff takes skill and understanding same as hip hop dance. graff is the same way. it is an art that will never diminish and we must keep it alive through our skills of master burners and characters and backrounds n so on keep it alive and stay up

[kidtelex]

Originally posted by GeSuS_KRiST@Jan 25 2005, 04:00 PM
but how is this art is what im wondering?

http://img180.exs.cx/img180/8458/00065gp.jpg
http://img180.exs.cx/img180/439/dsc00144jpg3vk.jpg
the way i see that is the writers' ability to warp and destort letters. there is definitely a good sense of line and what not. maybe it's a "skill" and not an "art" but there are many ad designers and communication designers in my school who did the same things in classes. well not really but they learn about typography and stuff. then you have to get into the whole art or vandalism thing.. too long of a conversation i see it as art, that's that

[VAbomber]

graffiti is a art, because doing what we do is art believe it or not. drawing a picture is art. writing a word is art. so graffiti is art. but i can see where your coming from

[it-cant-rain-all-the-timelalala]

back to the futur!!!

anyhow it would be easy to claim it is art but we would need to ask the writers what they think... and come to a definition of what is art with them

too many people think of art as something very specific and linear within what art really should be defined as...

[VAbomber]

lol

[Craze]

a : the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; also : works so produced b (1) : FINE ARTS (2) : one of the fine arts (3) : a graphic art

thats wat art is defined as grafitti is art because it is a concoius use of skill to produce an asthetic object known as a piece/burner. it takes concentration and understanding of the skills needed and the thought process in which helps you understand the aspect of ya im really going nowhere with this use the definition and tell yourself what u think art is :ph34r:

[ACTION NEWS...]

So pieces are art, but not throwies or tags?

[-save]

haha fukin rite!!! graff is more art than anything

[Klone]

what invovles art?

PAINT..so yes, graffiti is art..

but in some circumstances, it can be used in the wrong intentions which gives us wrtiers a bad look..but still..

[.A.K.4.7.]

like any artform, years and years of practise is involved, whether its pieces, tags or throwups.
Theres no art to ballet dancing, music production or even painting without years of practise - same as graffiti.

So yes graffiti is definatly art, to try and differenciate it to anything else is silly and arrogant.. like saying I do graffiti and I'm too cool for art. I VANDALISE ..... oooooohhhhhhh big deal.

[Fever]

It's all art, something that comes out of your mind, onto a pad of paper, onto a wall. the entire process of it is art, of course your vandalizing when you go out and put it on walls and trains... but what the hell do i want to waste my time to get people to see my shit by going threw art school and trying to get into art gallierys The vandalism part is just the part that means im serious about my shit and your gonna see it weather you like it or not


and even vandalism can be looked at as a form of art, look who invented painting on trains, busses, poles, even side walks.. always trying to find a diffrient type of "canvas" for it. why cant that be art?

[Mute1]

Originally posted by .A.K.4.7.@Dec 5 2005, 02:31 PM
like any artform, years and years of practise is involved, whether its pieces, tags or throwups.
Theres no art to ballet dancing, music production or even painting without years of practise - same as graffiti.

So yes graffiti is definatly art, to try and differenciate it to anything else is silly and arrogant.. like saying I do graffiti and I'm too cool for art. I VANDALISE ..... oooooohhhhhhh big deal.
fuckinn ritees i hate the little shits on here that run around with ugly ass bombs n sloppy tags and act like they are somewhere "more graffiti" because they shun the whole art process and just wanna "destroy shit"

[neaksta]

GRAFFITI IS ART EVERYTHING TAKES SKILL AND HAS SOME ART EVEN A HANDSTYLE OR BOMB ITS GOT STRICTURES WHAT NOT AHAHA

[Ekwol]

to tell you the truth id have to say that not all of it is...when you do a hit-up,bomb,piece etc. and put in hateful words onto it, then its vandalism. according to the dictionary, graffiti:words crudely written on or etched into a wall or some public place. so in that sense no.but it can also be an art in the sense of murals, or even when a piece has a background, becuase most of the time, those backgrounds can easily be passed into a museum. in the end tho, it is against the law for the fact that it isnt your property. the only way it would be legal all the time 100% no matter where, would be on a paper, or a t-shirt i guess...i mean more power too all writers but just know really what your doing is destroying artistically...
-thanx for your time-

[Ekwol]

fever i agree with you, but see in the end when you said "why cant it be art" thats because most the time that isnt your to write on in the begining...so if they dont agree that you can write on it, than how can it be art? its wrong if you do it like that...but it'll still happen no matter what i say...or anyone for that matter...

[Ekwol]

and look yall, when it all comes down to it, it is wrong...simply for the fact that it was not agreed upon that you write on SOME ONE elses property...no matter what you say or do, its wrong nontheless...what your wrong is and what my wrong is DOES NOT exist...whats wrong IS STILL wrong no matter what the situation...

[sika_2002]

graffiti is a skill, and any form of a skill is an art in its own form, such as dancing, music, painting. It just so happends that graffiti is done on different surfaces.

[Wastedfrog]

Graffiti is more than a skill, its a culture, a kind of medium and then an art form.

[slick dick willy]

I showed some sick-ass fr8 burner flicks to my art teacher one time
and he said it was still vandalism...

[pesci]

its def art because not everyone can do it, you need artistic ability, some people cant even draw a circle on paper and have it look proportion let alone one that is 2 feet x 2 feet.

[it-cant-rain-all-the-timelalala]

Originally posted by slick dick willy@Dec 10 2005, 06:44 PM
I showed some sick-ass fr8 burner flicks to my art teacher one time
and he said it was still vandalism...
why wouldnt it...

[disposable_hero]

YES IT IS?

[PureSole]

^are you asking or telling us? MAKE UP YO MIND NINJA :ph34r:

[Dru]

Of course it is. I love putting my own message in it and letting people know what im thinking. It might be a huge canvas put its def art

[alive]

its primarily art, but its also vandalism.
its that simple
its a melding of both

[markingz.]

graffiti can be art, key word can.

[Scene*]

im out for the art of vanalism
yeah its better then throwing a pipe bomb at a thrift store all though i am up from random acts of violence and sheeeeit man you got to be a good vandal to be artist though man but its all about putting your name on shit that dosnt belong to you and creating a new identity which houses your own developed style and sheeit

http://www.artcrimes.com/faq/spigelman_graffiti.html

this one is the boss shit man

[unknown_1]

graffiti is vandalism plain and simple

[markingz.]

with all the answers on here i'd think the debate is anything but simple, that's just me though.

[Grapez]

Ofcourse it is, just people think its not but thats their point of view and who cares what they think.

[tripp]

i dont know if i have posted this yet but, yeah graffiti is art. it is also vandalism. but i beleve that anything that is expresive, is art...music is art, skateboarding is art, graffiti is art. thats it. mkay?...¿ :ph34r:

[Klaz]

who the fuck cares?

If it's fun doin it than that's all that matters.

It's art yeah sure and it's vandalism cos it's done on other peoples property.and that's just a fact.

but seriously in my opinion it is both.

[chaosrevel]

of course. almost everything is or can be art.
i remember a few years back some guy painted a picture of the virgin mary
and then threw elephant dung at. but then they hung it up in a gallery in NY.
for real man, shit and all. i guess it's just a matter of good art and bad art.

[Klaz]

Originally posted by chaosrevel@Jan 23 2006, 11:11 PM
of course. almost everything is or can be art.
i remember a few years back some guy painted a picture of the virgin mary
and then threw elephant dung at. but then they hung it up in a gallery in NY.
for real man, shit and all. i guess it's just a matter of good art and bad art.

I hope he dies a slow and painful death.

yeah were defacin trains and walls.


he's defacin a religous figure and he gets fukin money for it.

[kongo]

this is the worst thread on this site

[Flair Heads]

yeah but just piecin. notice when they show the stereotypical crime ridden street, they show tags and bombs. never pieces. because is art :P

[Kingz514]

pieces and burners are art..
but tags throwies and bomb are vandalism. to me its all the same, but pieces are just nicer to the eyes. either way your getting your name up.

-Flair Heads
"notice when they show the stereotypical crime ridden street, they show tags and bombs "

i knowwww

[SaintBMD]

Graffiti IS art. ONLY in the eyes of the law is it vandleism. I'm taking some wack ass music class and our teacher made us listen to some guys album and one of the songs on the CD was pure silence for 2 minutes and in some way people still considered it music. For Perfomances he would walk on stage stand there for two minutes in silents and would get paid millons of dollers for it. What im trin to say is in my oppinion art is the same way, take a piece of paper draw a line on it.. its art. A simple thowie maybe not be sickest part of graffiti but its still art. A tag takes time to sit and perfect therfor thats art too. Peices are pretty much the best way for a graffiti artist to expres there skills, therfor thats why most people would say "Only peices are true art.". But in reality all of its equaly art. In my oppinion the question should really be is your art anygood. But just because of the area you might bomb, tag or whatever shouldn't decied wheater its art or not.


I know most of you are going to be like "But this is art not music". Welllll.. think about it.

[Havoc411]

expression in any form is art. weather it be muy thai, graff, music, skating, anything like that is an art.

but is it "art"

no, i dont think so

graffiti is kinda like a square
cause a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isnt a square

[.maneone]

_______________________----____________________________
"Art"

The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination.

_______________________----____________________________


What do you think you do when you come up with a tag? Or a throw up? Or Piece, burner, etc...you use creativity none the less.

Art isn't defined by skill, but by the human application of creativity etc... Vandalism is defined by law and moral. Those are two different prespectives to compare...which you can't really do.



OK..to my point; Graffiti is art in the eyes of the beholder. It's vandalism in the eyes of the law. It's ignorent to deny that it's either..so just think about that for a sec... . .and i hope you come to the conclusion that this thread is dumb.


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[recneps]

I like old school NY style 10x more than anything matisse has ever done, and people consider matisse an artist.

[faint rem one]

everything but pieceing is vandalism.
but i still considerit a form of art.
misunderstood art.

[paint-in-my-crackspoon]

graff is self expresion not art. sumsay they are one n the same but who knows

[cynical expression style]

You've got to think to your self define art , Art truly has no definition nor does it have boundaries. Art is truly a creature of the unknown; in that, art has certain limitations (i.e.: the human mind), but these limitations can be and are pushed by the artist in order to create new works of art and to ignite the imagination of those who see it. By viewing a piece of art, paraphrasing Leo Tolstoy’s What is Art? essay, "one must first have an experience in order for an image to form; after this image has formed, we can then transmit our experience into lines, colors, sounds, or stories- this process is art. A person uses past experience to produce an image, this image is then passes on to all people with the same exact feelings behind the image and, in turn experiences the image as the artist did"

Graffiti is an art form like any other graff is a way to express one's self.
There is really no good way to describe art as its self just that all art has something to do with what you want, feel, think at the time of conception

Burners, throws, merials, characters and fazes to me are all art but i believe bus's are a signater of an artist. and like any other artist th would like there name out there by any means possible
Do you think art is a crime possible but itcould be for worse if you ask me its only as people make it out to be.

[*~ANZIO~*]

if there was no law against it i dont think it would be everywhere, the thrill an the challenge makes doing it an art no matter how illegal

[Klaz]

Originally posted by *~ANZIO~*@Jan 26 2006, 12:41 PM
if there was no law against it i dont think it would be everywhere, the thrill an the challenge makes doing it an art no matter how illegal
yeah well a major part of the challenge is avoidin gettin caught.

if graffiti was legal it wouldnt be anything like u think it would be.

it'd be nice pieces of fine art..kiddy drawings,love messages and stuff like that.

anyway this poll has proved that graff is art.

[[]ASeR-ONe[]paint slinger]

graffiti is totally art! tagging evne has an asthetic style to it. although the chicken scratch is just a waste of paint and looks horrible. but how can you say actaul pieces arn't art?! i'm sure you've heard of DAIM. his shit is amazing! Graff has come a long way since the late 70's. SABER is another writer with amazing skill.
with all the caps and paint mixing and high and low pressure and the array of colors, graffiti is now aerosol art. its not just taggin bloods rule or fuck this kid. real graff has so much involved with it. The reneaissance art movement had so much dissaproval. no one wanted to see that being done. but years later it's accepted and loved by pretty much everyone. graff is coming up the same way. sure its vandalism, but you pay taxes. and when you paint on public property your sort of claiming back the money were taxed. i would never paint on private property cause thats just fucked up. but public...fuck em!

Grey to color.
Bland to stimulating.

Stay true to the art.

[faint rem one]

Originally posted by *~ANZIO~*@Jan 26 2006, 12:41 PM
if there was no law against it i dont think it would be everywhere, the thrill an the challenge makes doing it an art no matter how illegal
exactly. the day graff is accepted, is the day it dies.

[molotow_15]

whoever sed kno fuk off the forum

[cynical expression style]

actually i really do enjoy the adrenaline rush i get from graffin like just chillen with my friends painting than cops people who ever come running towards us its so exxelerrating then all the troulble and fun of coming back an hour or less later to finish your peice

i do agree the day graff is excepted it well die

[JadedSketches]

Why was this bumped back?
Let this thread fucking die already.

[psyduck]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/judeisg-unit/412.jpg this is art

[SKAR]

I say it's art. I hate graffiti being called vandalism because i always think of vandalism as going and breaking a store window or sumthin. graffiti turns something dull, and boring into something, colorful, eye chatching and interesting.

[geezpot]

Is graffiti art?

My personal opinion, If it looks unfinished(tags and simples) and gets buffed within days then its not art its just a form of self advertising/vandalism.
example-
http://img180.exs.cx/img180/439/dsc00144jpg3vk.jpg


If its actually something that takes time and is constructed to look like a mural then its art.
example-
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d159/northwestkings/avers_ensoe_rip.jpg

[drkrink]

vandalizing with art. both.

y'all may hate calling it vandalism but fact is thats what it is. you're dirtying someones personnal or societies property unlawfully. wether its pretty or not is hardly gonna change the fact that it's vandalism.

It's like saying if I kill you in a really cool artsy fashion should I get off as an artist?

[.maneone]

Originally posted by cynical expression style@Jan 26 2006, 08:48 PM
i do agree the day graff is excepted it well die

No...i think ur wrong.


Look at abstract art like Picaso..it wasn't accepted in his time,
but now, after it was accepted, it became widely known and
well, just look at it now..



I think the same'll happen with graffiti..but on the other side, vandalism is never gonna be legalized so there's no point in talking 'bout this..1

[Ironik]

In this day n age we live in a society based on the media lik graffiti being assosiated with rap and hip_hop but personally I dont believe so. 2 me graffiti and i mean all except the stupid bull shi lik the " i love so and so" and " f this" and the " anachy signs and u get the pictur bath room shit that u see in a public bathroom. But even throws i find to be art, pieces r mor visual appeling and may b more respected by the public. But society will change and the aspect of GRAFFITI will change and graffiti will DIE.
Graffiti is a dieing artform keep it ALIVE.

[drkrink]

Picaso is different. He wasn't accepted by art schools. Now he is. The population are as indifferent about his art back then as they are now. People 'like' Picasso in the same way they like say Britney Spears. Media tell them that's pretty and they gob it down worm, hook and sinker. Most people claim to like picasso and if you ask them why they have no clue and aren't even CLOSE to understanding his art style.

Graffiti is sllllllowly getting accepted as an art form by schools. Most places still refuse a portfolio only consisting of graffiti saying it is not an artform. When they accept it and make it acceptable to be sold at rediculously large sums of cash then people will see some dumb actor with a graff piece worth 3.2 million in his living room and worship the writer that did it for no reason whatsoever.

[drkrink]

Originally posted by Ironik@Jan 26 2006, 11:52 PM
In this day n age we live in a society based on the media lik graffiti being assosiated with rap and hip_hop but personally I dont believe so. 2 me graffiti and i mean all except the stupid bull shi lik the " i love so and so" and " f this" and the " anachy signs and u get the pictur bath room shit that u see in a public bathroom. But even throws i find to be art, pieces r mor visual appeling and may b more respected by the public. But society will change and the aspect of GRAFFITI will change and graffiti will DIE.
Graffiti is a dieing artform keep it ALIVE.
huh????? Graffiti is dying???? hahaha

It hasen't been so popular since the 80's and actually now EVERY social class partakes in graffiti.

I see so many new writers pop up, at least one a week, definatly wasn't like this 2 years ago. Graffiti is living more then ever which in a way kind of sucks, since it means more toy shit and alot of the new jacks are fallouts.

[JadedSketches]

Originally posted by geezpot@Jan 26 2006, 11:41 PM

http://img180.exs.cx/img180/439/dsc00144jpg3vk.jpg

See, this also harbours style and penmanship, so who are you to judge that that isn't art? It's self expression, is it not?

[drkrink]

Self expression should not be confused with art.
Taking a shit on your porch every morning could be my way of self expressing that I despise you, however it is not art unless I took that shit with artistic endeavour.

As he said it was his personnal opinion so to answer your first question: He is Geezpot to say that in HIS opinion this isnt art.

[JadedSketches]

Righto.

But if art is a product of creativity, than why would a handstyle be excluded from being deemed artistic?

[Ironik]

this is for drkrink he jus contradicted himself, like he said lots of new toys coming out well that doesnt mean that there tru writers that are devoted to graffiti and it meaning and it also doesnt mean that thel wright for a long time. for all you know they jus decided to pick up a spraycan and wright it doesnt mean thel continu.

[JadedSketches]

Great spelling there.
Everyone starts off shitty*, but you progress and become better

*applies to Runci ;)

Here: "the creation of beautiful or significant things"
This is one definition on art I picked up. I'd like to put emphasis on the SIGNIFICANT part. Would putting up a tag, putting up your name, be part of that category? No matter how wack it is, if it's significant, than it is considered art.

[geezpot]

I agree that handstyles are an artistic approach to penmanship and honestly one of the hardest things to pull off is a good tag. Drippy tags destroying property expressing ones own self promotion in my eyes is ugly. The regular population doesn't appreciate it as art but will find a piece more artistic because of the hardwork it took to accomplish it.

I guess its all about the approach you have to graffiti, are you a tagger or a piecer, or both?
Most piecers are well rounded artists and use graffiti as a stepping stone to develop an urban style furthering a career in arts.
Taggers are just self promoting vandals, most taggers do it for the rush not for the art.

Some people pull off 3-4 good pieces a year and everyone knows thier work, some taggers need to throw down hundreds of tags to get the same recognition.
Why litter the city with tags when you can just learn to do a few good pieces?

[drkrink]

Originally posted by Ironik@Jan 27 2006, 12:09 AM
this is for drkrink he jus contradicted himself, like he said lots of new toys coming out well that doesnt mean that there tru writers that are devoted to graffiti and it meaning and it also doesnt mean that thel wright for a long time. for all you know they jus decided to pick up a spraycan and wright it doesnt mean thel continu.
I didn't contradict myself I stated myself that most new jocks drop off quick.
Most writers are not devoted. And most that are devoted are not devoted for life, they drop out after 4-5 years.

Very few writers make it a life long lifestyle. The general crowd gets busted and drops out, turns 18 drops out, gets a stable life drops out, or keeps on gets a style and just stagnates at that stage and is content with a dope style... Few keep on putting work constantly evolving and pushing shit beyond limits.

[[]ASeR-ONe[]paint slinger]

Originally posted by psyduck@Jan 26 2006, 10:29 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/judeisg-unit/412.jpg this is art
that is some wack kid with a can thinking he can write. that is a waste of paint. that is fucking bullshit.

[paint the town red]

fresh pieces with dimensions, bends, and imaginative shapes are definitely art. i consider it art when you're doing something that the average, or even above average person can't do. it's vandalism when you're doing what every kid on the block can. any kid with daddy's krylon and one graff video can do a throwie, but it takes talent...ARTISTIC TALENT to come out shining. jus meh .02..

p.s. that biggie smalls is fresh ta def. just look at little hints of white he put in there for effect...fkn sweet.

[koper]

graffiti in it's purset for is definately art.

I dont however think toy tags are art. I do see some fukin amazing tags sometimes which can definately classify as art, but for the larger part tags just dont cut it

[Word Killa!]

Simple... Peice is art...
throw up and tag it is vandalism.

Peace.

[phReak-a-NOiD]

"graff is not art, graff is war"

[that_guy]

i dunno man, the way i see it even that biggie smalls thing can be art from a certain p.o.v.... cuz thats the type of shit that can make you laugh as you walk past it if ur in the right s.o.m.

depends if u think whether something is art or not is a matter of the intent of the person creating it, or of the perception or the person percieving it.
like when i see the word "shrooms" spraypainted in big sloppy letters on someones garage door, i don't think theres anything funny or artistic about that, even though it is like a mememto of the moment it happened in for the kid who did it. but if i saw the same thing on the entrance of a police station or even on the windows of a pharmacy that might be a bit different.

[?!?]

question like this..there are always two sides..pieces yea..bombs sorta..handstyles not really..

[JetBlack]

Concerning this whole what is classified as art discussion. I remember hearing a story about an accomplished and known artist. A reg artist I mean, not a writer. And anyway he did some really great canvases and was like the rave in the art world. And then he realized as he got his name bigger and bigger, the less he had to do to appease his critics. Because they all over analyzed every fuckin thing he did. Well anyway, just as an experiment, he took a regular old urinal and just wrote his name on the bottom and took it to an art show. Everybody saw it and his name on it and shit, and like thought it was amazing. It sold for like thousands or something. And then he was just like, listen, its just a urinal with my name written on it.

Anyway, Im just saying that really anything can be considered art. Its all in the eye of the beholder. I might look at like a sculpture by an acclaimed artist, thats full of meaning and metaphor, but to me it looks like some clay. And to a regular person, a tag is just vandalism. Even if I just see a regular tag or a simple throw up, in a way its art because its an expression of yourself.

[kewlaid]

writing is an art. it's a form of expressing oneself.
quit being ignorant and do more research before you talk...
specifically on the writing culture's rich history.

[SMiZ315]

i'm not going to judge anyone's graffiti...it's up to the writer if they think they are creating art....i'm out to express myself and keep a record for myself of where i've been and what i've done....graff is more of a journal than anything else for me....it tells a story, i hope to be considered an artist someday but for now i know for a fact that my stuff is NOT art....yet

[FuLa]

who the fuck said that the opposite of art is vandalism?
most of you dumbasses say "its not art, its vandalism"....that doesn't make sence...
theres an art of doing graffiti, which is practicing your handstyle, going out at night,
not getting caught..its all part of the art, every single aspect of graffiti is art....art doesn't necessarily mean colors and line and composition....
same as breaking is an art, punching a boxing bag is an art.....graffiti is art which takes time and skill and dedication to get good at.

[casperFT]

if its a production or legal...then its art....but i like street bombing....cause i like fucking stuff up lol...so not i dont think its art

[kewlaid]

Phase 2:

'What we have done with it goes beyond what it started out as, or any language invented. At its highest degree, writing is a science based on the power of speak, of communication and symbolism. No matter how simple or esoteric, even though unspoken, it says something and relays and relates to all who come in contact with it. At its lowest degree it is probably an eyesore but at its zenith it can hold its own with any so-called artform on the planet.'


Learn.

[dark\gbk]

it depends if u are taggin it is just destruction but if u r peicing it is definitly its on alternative style of art

but taggin is definetly not art

i do both but i prefer peices no offence

[dark\gbk]

fula u fukin legend

u explained dat very well

but even though peicing is art taggin is more like cardiology to me if dats da rite word

[sianz]

unless the owner of wutever wall you paintin is saying its coo, its still vandalism. i mean goddamn... sure it can be an art, but art dont mean it aint vandalism. two separate things people

[SEED3]

you could ask the same question about a traditional artists work.

i've seen plenty of galleries with paintings of crap like just a fckin blue square,
or just smears of paint across, &they're asking like $2,500. to me thats not art.
same thing with graff, tags or pieces, depends on who's looking @'em.
ie: peeps with good hand styles. shit, thats art to me. but there's plenty
of booty-ass shit out there that is too harsh for the eye.

overall, to me, graff is art. even a wall w/tons of overlapping styles.
the more the merry. -i think people who say graff belongs in the street
are missing the point. it started in the street because the art community
wouldnt reconize it. &nowadays more ppl except it, &thats a good thing,
for all writers. why would you want to revert? im glad i see more pieces
in coffee shops, clothing stores, music joints, clubs, restaurants, &deli's.
hell, i've even seen body shops with comissioned art. &dont forget head shops.

it doesnt matter how good sum1 is. there'll always be sum bitchass niga that says,
"fuck that. that shit is ugly. paint over it. it's just gang related."

so, it depends on the viewer.

[vman]

say "this topic should be closed. the answer us yes- no debate" if you think vmans a pimp

[PamS]

this topic should be closed. the answer us yes- no debate.

[SEED3]

Originally posted by PamS@Feb 6 2006, 05:03 PM
this topic should be closed. the answer is yes- no debate.
amen.

[Cascad3]

yes like i said when i was PamS. close it.
in the beginnign graffiti was art, and graffiti is art and will always be art. forver and ever. amen.

its self expression using paint so its art! just like a stupid installation is or a photograph of a flower is.

graff is the most talented art form. if you asked that then everyone would say yes it is, therefore accepting it is art.

[Dr. Coffee]

art is for pussies, pussies like you guys

[Cascad3]

ah shut up dr.coffee! if you dont have anything interesting and worthwhile saying then go away

[Dr. Coffee]

awww i'm sorry did I upset you? there there its okay now, coffees here

[Cascad3]

your really annoying. but funny too.

[GeSuS_KRiST]

dr coffee's the man... but im not closing myown thread graffiti isnt art murals are art, everything else is vandlism there for its artism

[xDISMALx]

Originally posted by GeSuS_KRiST@Mar 2 2006, 06:56 PM
graffiti isnt art murals are art, everything else is vandlism there for its artism
agreed

[\(SIN)/]

well, its always going to be a crime, no matter wut anyone says (unless its a legal wall) i hate the people that go around saying its art, not crime! stupid fucks, why would you go to jail and get fined for it if it wasnt a crime? pieces are art, sometimes throwups are art, but other than that its a bunch of illegal paint on a wall!

[Kao.Ali]

the way i see it, the MTA kinda ruined ggraff as art. before they got most of the paintin off the trains the peices dissappeared. before pecies raan, and it was still illeagal. it was still vandalism, but it was beatiful. pecies dont run like that no more, the only dope illeagal shit is in tunnels where no one sees them, which sucks
and eve if its vandalism doesnt mean its not art, there is an art to it, like theres a art to rackin, and its even expression, even if the expression is "I'm here, and this is my tag" it doesnt matter that yiu get arrested. its still beatiful

[\(SIN)/]

ya i agree with that too that all graffiti is art, but i dont agree with the people that say "Graffiti is art, not crime!" because that is the stupidest thing ive ever heard....

[EGO31]

if you take art as something that is pleasing to the eye then only peices are art to the pblic BUT since we are all used to seeing a tag and beeing able to say that's nice control etc etc etc it is also art but only to a small subculture although i imagine some artists that see it all as art but they don't write
Toy's however do not count as art neither do stupid " i was here " tags such as azz ,bree and so onh so forth any way that's my 2 cents. i voted art

[spaz65]

I think its art and vandlsm and art. Its just how some people express there selves.

[JetBlack]

Hey coffee, could you please grab a gun and put it to your head and pull the trigger. I FUCKING HATE YOU. Not for any particular reason per se. But then again, what other reason do I need? I fucking hate you and if I could I would probably kill you when you werent looking. Not to be malicious, just because Id have to get the job done........................what?

[JadedSketches]

who fucking cares

[STONES ONES]

this is the most fucking retarted thread on this whole forum.

somone needs to fucking close this shit once and for all.

[inject_junk]

Ok, How about who the fuck cares if graffiti is classified as art or not, It makes no difference at the end of the day.

Bunch of fucking spastic retards.

[tha boy in da corner]

its not totaly art and its not totally vandalism... that's what is beautiful about the whoe thing..
in my opinion

[duece312]

i personally think its art. its individual expression. and a personal translation of what letters look like.

[Paint Magic]

its art man

[NiHiL]

of course graffiti is an art, anything that u have to use creativity is an art form,
but when graff is done on the street it makes it vandalism but it is still an art.. graffiti is one of the only pure expression art forms around like take someones tag for instance it is them there whole life and what they have been throu is in that tag that tag symbolizes them and what they stand for...

do i make sence? ;)

[Logikalone]

I believe that Graffiti is an art becuase even though a lot of you are wanting to get your name up all over your city or any other city, I see the peices that you do as an art. Putting that much time into something that you know will be buffed or rolled over one day takes the dedication of an artist. Now what I believe isnt art is the people who only do bombs and suck so much ass that they cant even have the can control to paint a full piece without screwing up several times. No matter your intentions, if you piece, your an artist in my eyes.

[soba06]

not sure,i wud say bombing isnt cuz that jus gettin ur name out but pieces is expressin ur feelins in writing so its a bit of both

[Fluffy Bunnies]

it's like saying if picasso is art!

[*DEA*]

ya

[STONES ONES]

CLOSE

[da boy in da corner]

i fuckin hate the guy who hacked thos forum... lost my old account
haha voted twice!

[cord]

i think when your graffiti works with the enviroment its in and what its on, it can be art.

but it will always be crime and vandalism

[theoldguardisdead]

i guess the forums are dominated by toys :D

[comocomo]

i think it's art so long as it's on places that aren't used, like under bridges and on trails and parking lots and stuff, but when it comes to businesses if they wanted it they'd have it. see, i think ANY spraypaint is just beautiful no matter how you do it. just paint itself looks nice to me. I like the fact that you could take the shittiest city in america, and with enough paint turn it into barney's fucking summer beach house.

[*s*h*a*d*e*]

yes it's fucking art u fucking toy go do fucking crafts with ure mom u fucking dick weed!

[Klaz]

Originally posted by *s*h*a*d*e*@Mar 26 2006, 10:54 AM
yes it's fucking art u fucking toy go do fucking crafts with ure mom u fucking dick weed!
whats that supposed to mean?

[kill]

fuck art i hate art
graff aint art i hate when ppl say graffiti artists it seems so gay to me

[fionn_croke]

Yo. Here's the word on the street. Wildstyle pieces= ART. Some jackass's name=SHIT.
Don't BOMB unless your gonna' bomb HARD. Some stickers can be very artistic to.
There's no denying the fact that we're vandals, but we're proffesional vandals.
REMEMBER-WHY STAND ON A SILENT PLATFORM?

[What Happened to the Letters?]

pieces are art fuck eyah...but bombing and handstyles usually are not...but i think blacbooks definately are...just look at some dudes with the dope characs, like labrat and salty bastard...

[**MATEO**]

depends on your views, most people dismiss graff as vandalism, my views are it is an art form, even bombing, maybe not as much as peices or street art, but all graff is art.... and vandalism in some sort.

[SiMpUhL]

i dont read long posts, sooooooo..........

[Dizzy39]

Originally posted by **MATEO**@Mar 27 2006, 05:00 PM
depends on your views, most people dismiss graff as vandalism, my views are it is an art form, even bombing, maybe not as much as peices or street art, but all graff is art.... and vandalism in some sort.
perfect wording mateo couldnt have said it better :blink:

[Dizzy39]

the only way, in my opinion, that graffiti is vandalism is when some assholes bite others ideas, it really makes me mad!!! :angry: :angry: :angry:

[FWBMeth]

Im on both sides of this vote, so a null vote,it depends on what ur talking bout, say like tags, they have nothing to do with art what so ever its just some letter written in a different font, and its a name, throw ups it depends, like sake and cope2 looks like art, pieces i say they vandlism, some u can barely read and are all over the place, look great, but not art, stencils, are neat but not art, wheat paste can be both

[Dante Spitaliere]

Graf=art when done legally and put in a gallery....otherwise its vandalism

[pyro-bandit]

i am both ways on this myself the artistic precpective is that we are taking dull walls and trains with nothing on them and bringing them to life with our color
but then again unless we got permission to put it on the wall in the first place it is vandalism so all in all i call graffiti artistic vandalism

[AMW]

It's art no matter what you say! art is your way of doing somthing, personally i do it for both, but not always my name

[DR FORCE]

TAging is vandalisme

Trohw up is not always vandalisme

Master Pices thats art

[dark\gbk]

good topis gesus

i stik to my word graffiti is art even though we arnt tought it in a class room it still is art

[jinx671]

oh man thatz one of the most difficult questionz ive had to face..lol..

[jinx671]

no brainer bro..hahahhahhh...art IZ tha definition of graffiti...

[What Happened to the Letters?]

some of it is, other kinda are just vandalism...

[F18]

Alright, this is how it looks in my eyes. You have it as art because you make walls, cars, buildings, dumpsters, and shitty areas look beautiful and nice. It's really odd and somewhat difficult to explain

Lines and scribbles look cool and add personality to an electric box, door, wall, or window

Mural pieces look great. The exact same as above. It gives a nice touch to run down areas.




As vandalism. You're putting up art on government property, OR personal property.

Really everyone has their own opinion. I throw up quickies to show I was there. I throw up murals to give people shit to look at.

[temp]

i think tags arent art. I think pieces are though.

[back in 67]

art is reletive to the person... what I see as art may be different then you. These days we have a bunch of folks running around claiming that a crushed coke can is art, and personnaly I can't see it. I see art in trees, and in architechture, and yes I see graffiti as an art. Wheather it be peices bombs or tags. It's something creative, and a lot of times it has a purpose behind it, which gives it that much more of an effect. I see graffiti as the construct of taking somthing rigid and unflexable and removing it's boundaries.....

[musicians are cowards]

I think that most graffiti is art. Art is basically just expressing yourself.

[ASAP123]

ya i agree with the guy above me
we do this to express our selves
and that is what art is a form of expression
so therefor graffiti=art

[screw_loose]

it's not an official art.


this is in the air. :wub:

[syrup2]

wow that is a tough question ima have to go with its vandelism but ima say its art to justify myslef

[APT]

ART::
1. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.

VANDALISM::
1. Willful or malicious destruction of public or private property.


I'd say that Graffiti fits both of those definitions. I feel that you cannot specifically describe Graffiti as only Art OR Vandalism, because it is both. It is an artform in itself, but at the same time it will always be vandalism. We deface public and private property, but in the place of those boring walls there is now an exciting painting or picture.

[BRAINE]

graffiti isnt art.
and if it is, well that may get you a rep of being an art fag.
im not shocked how many people voted yes, because of how many toys there are on these forums.
all toys think its art so they can get away with practicing theyre gross shit everywhere, when in reality 80% of their ups are marker tags. how is a marker tag ever art? even people with beautiful flowing handstyles, its still not art.
pieces are art, but theyre not real graffiti. theyre just pieces.


thats just my opinion, and i know a million people are gonna post how wrong i am, but its ok because in my mind, im correct. times 2

[BoRe-719-]

why the fuck is this even a thread. graffitit, also known as street ART......close

[BRAINE]

street art is one form of graffiti, 99% of graffiti is not considered street art.
street art is like dope paste ups and stencils and installations.
not throws and pieces.

[~¨Stop¨~]

Originally posted by GeSuS_KRiST@Jan 25 2005, 03:28 PM
ok im tired of here a whole bunch of toys try to tell me graffiti is art, personally i think graffiti is vandlism.... im out for the distruction and getting my name up not to do art.... i see nothing artist about scribles on electrical boxes and tosses on people personal stuff... dont get me wrong graffiti take up a BIG part in my life but yea...

graffiti stoped being art once it was taken out of the ghettos where it made it the dark depressing broken down walls ect into something colorful and gave kids hope and somthing to do instead of gang banging ect...



but i wanna see your everyones views on this, who know if might even help some people out with doing reports in school
First you gotta listen to the word art. What is art? You can look at a bombed place in iraq or some, zoom in with a digital camera on some bombed rocks and take picture of it. Then it suddenly isnt just some bombed rocks anymore, its become a picture and you put it up on your wall at home..

personally i think graffiti is art, its modern art. Even though its good or not its still art as long as that was the thought of the painter in the beginning. You can see crap paintings but still the painter call it art becouse thats what it is. If you do it to do vandalism then its not art anymore, then its vandalism. Art is something made by purpose. I do graffiti becouse i want to learn the art. As you know many people that paints (not thinkin of the paintings with the can), paints their expression on the paper and call it art. The same do many graffiti writer wich also includes myself. I express my feelings on the wall, not to destroy but to give a little message to the society i live in, try to make them understand what im goin thru, who i am, while i also try to get recognized bye other graffiti artists around.
But your question kinda depends on each writer, every graffiti artist has their own opinion of what graffiti is and i think its art :)

[10-103m]

of course graffiti is art. if it werent why does everyones tag have so much style? we have handstyle battles on this forum. We couldnt judge graffiti on paper if it werent art. Unless your vandalizing the paper. also, i dont really think theres an argument as to wether piecing is art or not (i think it is). If it were only about getting your name up, why dont your just WRITE your name (so its actually legible to everyone) rather than use arrows, quotes or whatever the shit you want. People go out of their way to make shit look cool, if graff were ONLY about who could vandalize the most shit and get their name up then they wouldnt dilly-dally with style or anything and just write their name in the most obtrusive and most likley large way.

i actually think its a hard topic, i guess your 'tag' is art, but if you do the same one in tons of places to get up then its vandalism?

If leonardo davinci painted the fucking mona lisa on a building would it be art or vandalism?

i say its still art.

the only difference between graffiti and art is PERMISSION

[~¨Stop¨~]

¨the only difference between graffiti and art is PERMISSION¨

nah, not agree. its still art. You dont need a permission to do art.

[BoRe-719-]

Originally posted by ~¨Stop¨~@Apr 26 2006, 04:11 PM
¨the only difference between graffiti and art is PERMISSION¨

nah, not agree. its still art. You dont need a permission to do art.
yo fuckin word. art is self expression, bieng told u cant express urself is like some kind of tyrannical dictatorship telling you what you can and cant do

[ZETA(JTU)]

ok whoever left that comment on below me is a fucking retard
first off graffiti is art
it has style, color, and origionallity
what else would it need?
im 15 and i know more about graffiti that this guy

[Tye]

OK i am goin to sum this up for all of you people. If your into it for just kicks and vandalism cool thats one half of graffiti. But if you are like me and dont know why you do it then you might be doin it for the expression there for it is art.

[nephe]

this dicussion could go on forever. i think its both. artistic vandalism. but whats makes your tag/bomb/peace betther then the toys. is it that its more artistic?

[JadedSketches]

..

[extirpate]

doing a pen tag, throw up, or peice on someones public or privte property is a form of vandalism called 'graffiti'. It doesnt matter what it looks like its vandalism.

but if you were to take the same tag,throw up or peice onto a canvas, paper or a leagl spot it would then be a form of art. this art form generally called 'graffiti'.

n. pl. graf·fi·ti (-t)
A drawing or inscription made on a wall or other surface, usually so as to be seen by the public.

van·dal·ism n.
Willful or malicious destruction of public or private property.

[tweaknow-tweaklater]

the school shooting at columbine was art

[~¨Stop¨~]

As long making art was the purpose from the start its art. If vandalism was the purpose from the start its vandalism. I would rather call graffiti illegal art if its done in a place that isnt legal and made by purpose to do art.

[Unded]

I'm new to the whole thing, but I see it all as art.
The definition
Art Pronunciation Key (ärt)
n.

1. Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.
2.
1. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
2. The study of these activities.
3. The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.
3. High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.

It fits the description. To me, graf is beauty, whether it's as you said, scribble on a powerbox or a throwie on a wall. To me it's expression of yourself.

But I guess it has it's own meaning to each of us, or maybe I haven't discovered the true meaning.


Keep pondering :)

[jez]

It to some degree is an art, If your just taking a can and writing "BITCH" or some stupid girls phonenumber, then thats not art. thats wasting a can and wall space.
But if you take a look at big piece's, hands, or just throwups even they can be beautiful,
you mix/use certain colors to make this beautiful piece of work that you spend time on. I think thats what art is.
I usually think of my pieces as like little babys, I love them all and put as much effort into them as i can to make them wonderful and perfect. Thats just what i think.

[step one]

Unded - Word...
Jez - Word...

Both together = my thoughts as well

Edit:

In addition, when using principles of art: Line, Dimension, Value, Shading, etc...to create a work which is to convey a concept, story, emotion, action or any other thing of the sort is art, especially when it has to do with the application of ones acquired techniques, skills, and tools. When you make the extra effort to share your vision with the public and begin to apply un-orthodox or intuitive means of portrayal…e.g. creating or using improvised tools such as stencils, mops, wheat paste, or scribes. Also in one way or another, has a provocative nature. People stop to look or think about what ever it was they just saw and/or it has inspiring qualities. I know the reason I got into graffiti wasn’t because I am a deviant vandal. Could still be inappropriate within boundaries, lets face it some topics are not tolerated by any race, class, or creed. Swastikas, racial/degrading slurs, random immature scribbles: “4:20”, “fuck”, “fag” or any gang related crap…is not art, it’s stupid, and if I catch you giving all of us real writers a bad image because you think you “cool” for writing anything of that nature, I will tax whatever supplies you are carrying and I will paint “HERB” across your back after I beat your ass. Any way, that’s my personal take on the whole bit…let me know if you agree or disagree or whatever...it is impervious to the salvation of graffiti that we stop morons from writing all slander...and we recruit kids who have interest in our culture...

[jez]

I totally agree with you on the whole "immature" shit, i cannot stand it, Thats one of the main reasons why i think graffiti is banned, becuase people cant be mature enough to use it, I mean ive seen Crazy beautiful tags that say "PENIS" or "CUNT" but they atleast put some effort into making a "foul" word be something to enjoy looking at,
Fuck all you bitches who write dumb shit. You deserve to get arrested.

[aces]

It's art when its done in murals and productions and legal stuff but vandalism when its done on illeagly(sp?) so i went with no because most graff that you see isnt legal.

[BRAINE]

Originally posted by aces@May 1 2006, 05:30 PM
It's art when its done in murals and productions and legal stuff but vandalism when its done on illeagly(sp?) so i went with no because most graff that you see isnt legal.
word up. fuck toys who think every tag and throw is art.
handstyles and throws are not art.
"its a beautiful thing with colors and i use it to express myself"
99% of people who say shit like that are mad toys with no style or can control

unless you are a chill spot piecer, or a prod piecer, etc, most of the shit you do is probably not art. its for the purpose of getting up, not expressing your innermost feelings and secrets.
gay bitches

[dcite]

Originally posted by GeSuS_KRiST@Jan 25 2005, 03:28 PM
ok im tired of here a whole bunch of toys try to tell me graffiti is art, personally i think graffiti is vandlism.... im out for the distruction and getting my name up not to do art.... i see nothing artist about scribles on electrical boxes and tosses on people personal stuff... dont get me wrong graffiti take up a BIG part in my life but yea...

graffiti stoped being art once it was taken out of the ghettos where it made it the dark depressing broken down walls ect into something colorful and gave kids hope and somthing to do instead of gang banging ect...



but i wanna see your everyones views on this, who know if might even help some people out with doing reports in school
i think thats a really good point, and its kind of sad because most of us probably dont live in a hard neighborhood at all (including myself) so the motives for doing graffiti are definetly different from what they were years ago.

i think i would like to call graffiti art, especially now that there is such a sudden overload of 'street art' popping around everywhere.
but at the same time that graffiti is going in the direction of taking more artistic skill - with some types of street art and whatnot - there is also the same non-art graffiti going around, these days more than ever with crap like Marc Ecko video games influencing everybody

[MENG!]

Art is basically anything that you say/do/make that expresses you in some way. So technically, everyone can say Graffiti is art in that scence. 'Graffiti' itself is to broad of a subject to be concidered all art or not, and everyones going to have diffrent views, and these are mine..

Bombing and pieceing are art. Your spend time, skill, and hard work into making amazing looking masterpieces and making people just look at it and think. Quick throwies with bad fill-ins, and markers that drip so much so you think someone just threw paint on there is not. (Im a big fan of having it clean and sharp, were Im coming from). It all depends on why people got into graff.

[freeskier1292]

Graffiti being art depends on what type it is. If its just a scribble on an electrical box or a roller than no. But if its a giant mural or a wildstyle than ofcourse

[Asshat]

Graffiti=vandalism, straight up

Legals=art

[ruairi]

I never use to think it was unti i started going down to toronto. I thought graffiti all the graff near the trains were great. So ya i think it is art. Its an urban way to express your emotions thru spray paint or markers or stenciling.

[that_guy]

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3079/terrorists3nk.jpg

i saw that image over a year ago in some newspaper article about iraq. what a staged looking picture, i wonder who's job it was to set that one up.

[-task-]

aight well the way i see it is graffiti is neither art nor vandalism yet at the same time is both. What it all comes down to is graffiti is graffiti, bottom line. its and artistic form of vandalism or a vandalistic ( i dotn even think thats a word) form of art. Beuty is in the eye of the beholder. To one person it can be viewed as a beutiful piece of art, to another its just some more scribbling that will have to be painted over. Excuse me if i soudn liek a rambling idiot but thats just my 2 cents plus i am very baked haha.

[never12]

Well whoever made this topic is a fucking idiot because dont come here and make fun of graffiti when i do graffiti i dont care what people care of my stuff its mine and for other graf artists so i dont care if u dont think its art ......u fucking idiot never come here again if u dont like graffiti.

[-task-]

Originally posted by never12@May 15 2006, 07:53 PM
Well whoever made this topic is a fucking idiot because dont come here and make fun of graffiti when i do graffiti i dont care what people care of my stuff its mine and for other graf artists so i dont care if u dont think its art ......u fucking idiot never come here again if u dont like graffiti.
Bro no ones making fun of graffiti or saying they "dont like it", its simply a debate on what u consider graffiti to be. Lay off the fucking PCP and maybe try to say sumthing atleast half compotent

[sok]

it depens, for it to be art u cant just get shoe polish an do a hand an think its art. but when u take ur time and use real paint, markers,ect. and it comes out good it can be classified as art but some people dont see it that way so it can be art and it can't be it all depens on what u think

[never12]

Maybe i will.

[never12]

maybe i will

[Slushi]

Art is anything you do to express yourself.
Graff is art. Also it's vandalism.

Artistic vandalism.

[<-+-+->HCORE<-+-+->]

it all depends on how good u r at it if ur a toy den its vandalism if ur a pro its art

[~FLA3H~]

Yea precisly get it rong and you are fucked youll be classed as a toy and itll be classed as vandalism and vise versa for those good tags B)

[jefftheworld]

Originally posted by GeSuS_KRiST@Jan 25 2005, 03:28 PM
ok im tired of here a whole bunch of toys try to tell me graffiti is art, personally i think graffiti is vandlism....
Yes graffiti is art, yes graffiti is vandalism. I don't understand why people think it can only be one or the other. It is art.

The conscious production or arrangement of colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty

That's the dictionary definition, but let me translate that for you out there who need it.

The bombing of property, using sick colors, sweet forms, can control that looks sweet!

As you can see, it is art, no way it can't be, but it's still vandalism. If the Mona Lisa was painted on a wall illegaly would it not be art still?

[Amuk]

close!!

[smartSOFT]

Originally posted by sok+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sok)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>it depens, for it to be art u cant just get shoe polish an do a hand an think its art. but when u take ur time and use real paint, markers,ect. and it comes out good it can be classified as art but some people dont see it that way so it can be art and it can't be it all depens on what u think[/b]

calligraphy is considered art and its just a form of stylized writing with ink. [punching hole into your argument :D]

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the mona lisa would be considered vandilism....it would not be a famous piece of art....name one famous piece of art that was painted illegaly on a wall that is world reknowned. cant think of one can you?

graffiti is vandalism...u wouldnt consider something art if someone came and painted it on ur building illegally. its all about putting ur name up everywhere and become known by an alias. cap even says in style wars he isnt an artist he just wants to get his name up on every single car.

[Hater-AiD~>]

it depends..pieces are arts..throw ups and tags are just to get your name out there..some SUPER TOYS (yea im toy but theres some worse than me) think that putting your tag in a bathroom is art

[waster12....]

this is frustrating.

anyone who said graff is artisic vandalism. bingo.

anyone who said only nice shit is art. fuck you. never heard of a bad artist?

[Dust1610]

Art is graffiti.

[waster12....]

nonono. thats like saying a rectangle is a square.

[topclot]

damn i shoulda voted null.

The vast majority of graff is strait up vandilsm, which is fun as fuck and awesome.

On the other hand, most of the things i see on legal walls i would call art.

[beantownboy]

graffiti helps me get away from shit when i smoke I stopped for a while when I quite I was in it all again and frankly graff is the shit it's vandalism for some hobbies for others art for the ones who have been drawing shit since they were a kid

[Dust1610]

Originally posted by waster12....@Jun 6 2006, 03:01 AM
nonono. thats like saying a rectangle is a square.
A rectangle is a long square.

[obseen]

it is in a way
and it isnt in another way
it differs

[obseen]

it is in a way
and it isnt in another way
it differs

[Daylight Bomber]

Graffiti in a sence is about individuals expressing themselves through 'artwork' in a society where we are often limited to our so-called 'freedom'.. The term graffiti can be interpreted in many ways, too me atleast. You can look at it from the aesthetics standpoint or you can look at it from where the graf is actually being displayed.

The thought process of actually placing a tag, bomb, piece, you name it, is in itself an art form. Climbing that building, hoping that fence, manouvering yourself around and deciding a place to throw your bomb is what seperates graffiti from all other artforms. It's not just the work itself, it's the strain that goes into the work that makes it so unique...

Anyone can use aerosol and spray there name on a wall, just think about why you're spraying your name, why your risking your ass, don't do it cause' you think you're a badass or hard, do it because you have a reason. A reason of expression, isolation, alienation, artwork, you name it.. Remember why you're doing what you're doing and THINK about it...

Do what you love.

[Kao.Ali]

well if we call everything art, there is no meaning in the word, art should be more of a revered thing, it takes talent do execute art.
sneaking out and around and all that is not an art, its the vehicle you use to get up, there is no art of bombing (as an action) shit, ive bombed drunk, i caught my first tag in 4th grade,
not that catchin wreck doesnt require talent and finess

[Daylight Bomber]

Originally posted by Kao.Ali@Jun 6 2006, 10:06 PM
well if we call everything art, there is no meaning in the word, art should be more of a revered thing, it takes talent do execute art.
sneaking out and around and all that is not an art, its the vehicle you use to get up, there is no art of bombing (as an action) shit, ive bombed drunk, i caught my first tag in 4th grade,
not that catchin wreck doesnt require talent and finess
It takes talent to climb a billboard to execute art.

Yes, you are right where as not all the time you're thinking about where to place your work but that's where the so-what factor comes in. If you yourself know why you are perfoming this illegal act, then indeed it is an art of self-expression. Expressing oneself through movement and placement is art.

Also another thing about graffiti is that it is the manuscript of our whole civilization.. In 500 years when some plutonic gas seeps into the atmosphere destroying our airsupply and we all become extinct, then in decades to come when somehow life begins to form, hopefully some intelligent creatures will be able to look at these walls and say hey 'there was life before us, life that could express, and feel.'

My example is totally absurd but you get my point.

[dismal]

graffiti is art if you want it to be if your doing it to get your work around then its art but if your doing just to fuck up shit go die

[Wait]

The way i picture graffiti is as vandalism....simply because that's what it is, it's destruction of city or private property no matter how you feel. The only people that think of graff is an art are the ones who can't accept it as it is and prlly haven't even done a illegal piece because once you do one you can realize the risks of getting caught and what's at steak.

[Daylight Bomber]

Originally posted by Wait@Jun 9 2006, 11:06 PM
The way i picture graffiti is as vandalism....simply because that's what it is, it's destruction of city or private property no matter how you feel. The only people that think of graff is an art are the ones who can't accept it as it is and prlly haven't even done a illegal piece because once you do one you can realize the risks of getting caught and what's at steak.


Who's to say whats illegal and what isn't; society is some artificial makeup of how life is to be percieved. Who's to tell someone you can't paint on a piece of concrete that we all pay for in our 'tax's'? As long as private property is concerned I respect it and would only work on abondoned buildings or downed buildings about to be demolished...

http://www.geelblauw.nl/stone/photos/muur0022.jpg

This sure is vandalism right??

Wouldn't you love to stare at a bare piece of concrete instead?? ... ? vandalism..

anti' dronism...

[illicit]

graffiti is art.

stencils are art
wheat pastes are art

constructive graffiti is art.

shit like graffiting toilets isnt really art. unless u write a cat or something.

[Amaze]

Some of it is. Well besides the vandalising part i guess its art. I dont know what it is but its fun as shit.

[ChRoMa 11820]

i think its all art even just throws and handstyles

not everyone can do it and it takes practice just like all art
itss just a different type just like fine art,tatoo art, realism, cartoons etc

its just street art and is the type of art for someone who knows how to draw and like to vandalize things...its like killing two birds with one stone

[ruse]

pieces that take a skill and time to create i regard as art. but bad toy tags that u see on every bus stop etc, i regard as vandalism

[G-RAF]

its officially art regardless of legallity... vandalism is a different page.

art1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ärt)
n.
Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature.

The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
The study of these activities.
The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.
High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.
A field or category of art, such as music, ballet, or literature.
A nonscientific branch of learning; one of the liberal arts.

A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.

Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: “Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice” (Joyce Carol Oates).

arts Artful devices, stratagems, and tricks.
Artful contrivance; cunning.
Printing. Illustrative material.

[Able!]

of course its art! sure sometimes and most of the time its illegal art but who cares...i think that everyone here would call themselves a graffiti artist am i right or am i wrong?

[Linkzone1]

why wouldn't it be?

[svker]

Originally posted by Able!@Jun 12 2006, 10:26 AM
of course its art! sure sometimes and most of the time its illegal art but who cares...i think that everyone here would call themselves a graffiti artist am i right or am i wrong?
Correcto Mondo!

[Fluffy Bunnies]

I say graff is art cuz when someone wants to start writing unless your some white punk who wants total annihilation of everything from cars to houses.

The tags that I see is art to me cuz it looks nice and it's pretty to look at like these...
This is like a bunch of lines but it's art.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c312/Flu...wa/d45152c3.jpg (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c312/Fluffybunnyrabbits/Trip%20To%20Ottawa/d45152c3.jpg)
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c312/Flu...wa/cb645d63.jpg (http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c312/Fluffybunnyrabbits/Trip%20To%20Ottawa/cb645d63.jpg)
This ewok piece speaks for itself and sure it's destruction but sure is nice. and at least it's not a big penis.
http://www.bombingscience.com/graff1/ewok-NYC-05900.jpg
When someone writes on a wall, they don't think of it as vandalism, they think of it as being creative.

and something to cause damage looks like this...
http://watch.windsofchange.net/pics/r1733813756.jpg
http://www.fpasa.co.za/gallery/car_on_fire.jpg
and you would only do this stuff to be a brute savage or some white guy who thinks they're bad

if you ever asked a black writer they would say it's art. If you were to ask a white guy their opinion might be wayyyyyyyy dif. If I was white, I would kill myslef and be an emo kid... haha.

[kase121]

if a white person was to say that samething just the other way around, it would be racist and not ok but a black person can do it. that doesnt make any sense to me. graffiti is art whether your black or white

[G-RAF]

naaah fuk dat, illegal or legal regardless, graffiti is still art.

[keep6]

there are 2 totally diff aspects of graff one is bombing where u go out all over the city spreading yer name out all over and destroying other ppl sh!t and the other is the art side where u and yer boys find a nice chill spot where u can go and lay-up yer pieces and really express yerself.. i myself is in it for the art side.. i don't give a fuk if the public see's my work and can't read it or what they think of it, it's not for them it's for other writers who are down with the graff seen there the only ones that matter

[RKT47]

ok if you read earlier on in this thread it goes from the veterans like gesus saying graff aint art to you lot now saying it is, i personally think that it is an art form because people like graf, i dont care if they are politicians are whatnot, deep down part of human nature is to write on stuff, in the football adverts about those kids in brazil, graf in the background, in moveis, tonnes of graf. defintion of art: art is the expression of creativity or imagination, or both.

http://www.stormchild.net/images/graf/2003-04-06.jpg <<Is that not creative and imaginative? im sure he didnt bite it off someone, so yes he CREATED it.

http://www.seenworld.com/images/fullsize/Throwups/silvblacbomb.jpg<<yes its seen i know but its still a bomb, i call it art, not vandalism

[-GEKS-]

i say its art. all of it, even the real fast tags and throwups. it makes the spot ur at feel a lot...eh, cooler, i guess. if its good and looks kool than its art.

[cord]

this thread is mad frustrating.

graffiti is art. But at the same time its vandalism.

on a legal wall, its allowed so its not vandalism of someone's property.

then it can only be art, and not vandalism.

on any other surface its classed as destruction, but in my opinion its still art.

arrgh what the fuck i cant even type what im thinking my head is fucked, the only word i can think of is CLOSE

[EGAD]

Originally posted by Fluffy Bunnies@Jun 12 2006, 11:42 AM
I say graff is art cuz when someone wants to start writing unless your some white punk who wants total annihilation of everything from cars to houses.


why does the punk have to be white you fucking retard? a white punk destroying property? if you're talking about punk being thugs, ever heard of the L.A. riots? lots of mindless destruction there, guess whos hands caused it?

and if you're talking about punk music, not all punks are white you stereotypical retard, ever heard of bad brains?


white punk, holy shit, why didn't you just say "stupid fuck"


i just read the rest of your post you racist stereotypical fucker, i wish i knew you in real life so i could belt your fucking skull in, the only thing i want total annihilation of is you and your stupid, narrowminded views

you obviously dont know shit, graffiti doesnt tolerate stupid fuckers like you, this shit is two tone you fucking prick

[FaultO]

i havn't read anything yet so i say graffiti is

pee pee five one doo doo

wowo

cheers to egad and his dong.

[prank]

i think of it this way

its art cuz any kind of graffiti is a form of expression

its vandalisim because ur destroying somebody'S property

in other words its : vandals art

[war terror]

my philosophy is that graff is a form... its vandalism... its a part of urban life and art has form... so.... if your letters flow then its art...

[FaultO]

wow
those last two posts touched all the homos in the world.

[**MATEO**]

Fuck Graffiti... It's defacing property, how would you like it if someone smeared feces on your wall!?!?!

Ehh???


Thought so.

[FaultO]

you should watch that movie "haggard" by bam margera and brandon dicamillo...

they try to duct tape poo poo to a dudes garage door.

[wrek10]

of course it's art. bcuz not just any one can fuckin do a good lookin tag or a throw up... but most of tags is not art and thats what ever one does there 4 maken ppl say its not. its just fuckin ppls shit up. and of course pce's r art bcuz just look at the shit mother fuckers.....i have to say my slef that im more of a tagger/bomber then a piecer........
well any ways that what i think. and i dont give a fuck if any one has something against what i think bcuz WHO THE FUCK R U TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN THINK???

NO ONE! thats who.
word up

[dark2]

word tags rnt usually but pieces and bombs r fucking art

[civicman]

i feel that graffiti is art 'caus vandalisim is just destroying something while graffiti is self expression and makes every thing more colourful than plain concrete exept 4 toy shit (like mine) that gets buffed really quickly <_< :blink:

[REMEK]

lots of people including me think graffiti is art. it is self expresion, people like to look at it, even the tags if they are nice not scribelings with a crappy marker, but if they are done with a flow pen or paint marker on nice thick ink marker then it is art. AND IT LOOKS GOOD!!!!!!

[swich]

yeah its art in my eyes.....its crazy though cuz i remember lookin at tags and writes and just wondering how the hell they did it...
it was like some krazy ass shit i never thought id be able to do....
nuttin but love to those writers who inspired me....

[swich]

Originally posted by dark2@Jul 5 2006, 07:36 PM
word tags rnt usually but pieces and bombs r fucking art
tags are art as well because its a form of calligraphy....it doesnt have to be complicated or thought out to be art...

[Monster Island]

i think that taking uniform, typical letters that have been around for centuries and stretching, warping, and giving depth and volume to them so that they become another object in itself is most definantly an art form. whether your writing it on a wall or in your blackbook, its graffiti, its a style of art just as is baroque or renaissance art. just look at the crazy colors people put in their pieces that make them pop out and grab your attention. i bet alot of writers know way more about standard art theory then they realize, because you learn so much from graffiti alone. its takes an incredible amount of skill and persistance to create a burner, and graffiti has been recognized worldwide, whether people consider it a plague or a beautiful artform. its been around for over 30 years and its for sure left its permament mark on the art world, and its become almost a landmark for cities like ny and la

i hope i didnt sound like too much of an art student :blink:

[Dust1610]

I don't think you sounded like an art student, that was actually a very well constructed post!

[ChRoMa 11820]

i am an art student and that made a lot of sense
some of you do know more about art then u think
especially color theory

[JONNY/SIDE]

graffiti is not a crime but is a Beautiful art. think about it what would you like to see a dull gray wall or a beautiful wall thats not depressing .

[Pyro-maniac]

i think some parts of it are art but at the same time its vandlism