Is Graffiti Art?

[trap]

of couuurrse its art............................................... ........except for reeally bad throwies.

[RepUrSet]

the style of graffiti drawing is an art

the vandalism isnt...but wth its fun neways

[RepUrSet]

Originally posted by _____JEKLROKS_____@Jan 25 2005, 04:58 PM
Fuck being a artist I'm a vandal... I think it started off as vandalism thing with simple tags and shit and people just used artistic influence to create it more their own, but in the eyes of law, its still vandalism, for it to be a artform it'd have to be on fucking canvas and shit which is wack because it was'ent meant to be seen or apreciated by snooty art sluts, its supposed to be a way of getting your name known.
actually it started off with a law-biding journalist...
he travelled all around the world interviewing n shit
and eventually he realized he would get more publicity by writing his name in the trains and places he went to... it had no "style" eventually people noticed his name and started to write there names..then people were being arrested..hence alias's then they started gathering other writing and forming crews and competing with them by creating different styles..

conclusion:
graffiti started out as vandalism...but by a law-biding citizen

[E-Terror]

graffiti is stupid and i hate everyone who does it

[Kry WAR]

Look at this legal wall I did with my crew WAR. Tell me it's not art. In dedication to the dumbest, most graff hating mayor ever, Oscar Goodman.

http://www.artcrimes.com/lasvegas/mayor_oscar_goodman.jpg

[alter]

there's two very differnet sides to graffiti, bombing, and pieceing.
for someone to go around their town and put the same throw-up in as many spots as possible that not art. However if you perfer to do a full colour burner i dun care where u do thats art to me.
"Big-ups" to WAR on that Goodman Production that shits hot and a good topic

[E-Terror]

what about straight letters and simples done at street level or on freights?

its not a throw, but its purpose is for getting your name up

what then huh?

[alter]

Originally posted by E-Terror@Aug 2 2006, 11:10 AM
what about straight letters and simples done at street level or on freights?

its not a throw, but its purpose is for getting your name up

what then huh?
throw ups can be simple stright letters with a few colours and a background even but there on a diff level than piece's
if u didn't take the time to lay down a detailed sketch it's a throw-up not a piece

seen is natorious for his stright letter throw-ups on trains back in the day and that shits fine by me

[FritoLay]

All graffiti even little tags are art.

[*570 Ambush]

graffiti is not art, it is in a sense but depending on who you are do u really think of it as art when u do it? if so why dont u just do it at home on paper, and get fuckin paid for it? graff is more vandalism and a social problem than art.i love graffiti, and i love art, ive also taken art classes and im on my 8th year, i just feel differently when im doing actual art, than vandalism, and hands on walls is def not art (good art)

[*570 Ambush]

actually ill rephrase this, peicing is art, good art

[TrashCan]

I think its more about intent. If u practiced on ur throw-up an it means something to u an u think of it as art even if its small then its art. If u just wanna throw ur tag all over corpret shit to F with them thats not art.

[myl]

just like the guy said in style wars (and completely contradicts himself): "Graffiti as the name itself is not an art. Graffiti is the application of a medium to a surface."

[nel307]

yes graffiti is art...not vandalism even if some ppl think so...tggs throwies and pices ARE srt....get it....art of expression

[KAL]

I did a project on this in school n pretty much everybody said yes. but in my opinion its art, and 4 most it goes either way... somebody said b4 me its a double edged sword and that couldnt be any closer to the truth. but in the end its all writing on the wall whether a peice, or a throwie.

[MEATBALL]

Graffiti is an artistic form of expression, yet it is not art.
Graffiti is vandilism, it is illegal, it is a way to get your name up and be know, to disrupt peoples regular lifes of go to work, go to sleep, die, and is frowned upon by most. It will never be accepted by society as a whole, therefore it will never be art.

[Special_K]

this is just my schpeel on graff. i am an advocate for graffiti and by all means support all true writers and up n' comers who are in it soley to get their art up and just to do their thing. but there are assholes out there who are in it just for the sake of destruction. guys who hit the "untouchables", make half ass tags and who deliberately go over real writers. theres nothing more beautiful than a perfectly done full color burner. but no one wants to see "fuck you jimmy!!" scribbled on the wall w/ red paint. im in it to make the world better and at the same time to get my name out there.

-I was once told by some one who suspected me and my friends of doing some tags"you guys think ur hot shit for writing that crap on my car yeah!?!! you kids are nothing but a bunch of low life vandals!! graffiti is nothing more than rubbish done by juvenile delinquents!!" i proceded to day"Miss we are not graffiti vandals, we are merely guys who like to write our names on things." i happened to have my friends old book on me and opened it up, when i flipped through it her jaw dropped and said two words "my mistake" and walked away.

[YOP]

people who dont understand graffiti say its vandalism

[-=AgA=-TrAnCe]

if they crnt do its vandalism!

[cwazy]

tags,throw-up... things done quckly just put your name isn t art
the rest is art

[dri]

i look at it as two parts.. bombing throw-ups and tagging shit does not hold much artistic value and that is like raw graffiti writing, where as making crazy wildstyles and characs is most definetly 100% art. Graffiti is a broad topic with artsy sides and vandalizm holding a big part

[sketch3]

it depends on ur inntentions,if ur doing it for style or vissule asspects then its art even ifit is shit but if u paint sumthin like FUCk on the side of a toilet just to piss ppl off its vandalisim

[back in 67]

I think that graffitti is art no matter what side you take
on one hand you have peices which are pretty to look at and have artisic value, where you can appreciate the effort behind it. And on the other other hand you have bombs, where the art comes from the meaning and risk behind it, where some one is willing to go out and paint no matter what the risk, and the rebellion behind the paint covered wall..... art goes deeper then pretty colours and flashy effects

[Style Hommie]

Its art, actually its illegale art :D

[scr3w]

graffiti isn't art or vandalism, it's a mixture of the two.


art + vandalism = graffiti.

[stewa_sk8]

Originally posted by scr3w@Nov 5 2006, 11:43 PM
graffiti isn't art or vandalism, it's a mixture of the two.


art + vandalism = graffiti.
yeah , right man ... :D

but little more art then vandalism ( for me ) ... :P

[maLLe]

its art unless ur a total toy

[stewa_sk8]

Originally posted by maLLe@Nov 6 2006, 09:11 AM
its art unless ur a total toy
it's art unless you are a total vandal ... :rolleyes: :P

[Nitro_99]

its art and vandalism at the same time

theres no point in arguing about it this is a pointless thread :huh:

[stewa_sk8]

Originally posted by Nitro_99@Nov 8 2006, 09:03 AM
its art and vandalism at the same time

theres no point in arguing about it this is a pointless thread :huh:
but we have to argue ... on other way it isn't interesting ... :D :P
I'm just kidding ...

[elcs]

THIS THREAD IS BEATING THE DEADEST HORSE EVER

CLOSE

[stewa_sk8]

am I gonna die tonight ? or ? ...

[Slushi]

Originally posted by Nitro_99@Nov 8 2006, 09:03 AM
its art and vandalism at the same time

theres no point in arguing about it this is a pointless thread :huh:
You bit my sig. Douchebag.

[Big TL Springs]

Graffiti means any writing, printing, marks, signs, symbols, figures, designs, inscriptions or other drawings which are scratched, scrawled, painted, drawn, etched or otherwise placed on any structural component of any building, wall, fence, sidewalk, curb or structure or other facility on public or private property, without the consent of the owner, regardless of the nature of the material used in its application.


So if Vincent van gough did stary night on a freight( if he was still alive) it would be art,,,the canvas isnt by law yours,,,regardless that its vandalism,, it is art...

personally this is what im out to do,, convey a image of great visuals and get people thinking

i hate how cops say well thats just vandalism,,,,im like "No Shit" but its still art,,,

though throwups and tags are ?-able

[stewa_sk8]

Originally posted by Big TL Springs@Nov 9 2006, 12:56 AM
Graffiti means any writing, printing, marks, signs, symbols, figures, designs, inscriptions or other drawings which are scratched, scrawled, painted, drawn, etched or otherwise placed on any structural component of any building, wall, fence, sidewalk, curb or structure or other facility on public or private property, without the consent of the owner, regardless of the nature of the material used in its application.


So if Vincent van gough did stary night on a freight( if he was still alive) it would be art,,,the canvas isnt by law yours,,,regardless that its vandalism,, it is art...

personally this is what im out to do,, convey a image of great visuals and get people thinking

i hate how cops say well thats just vandalism,,,,im like "No Shit" but its still art,,,

though throwups and tags are ?-able
so we agree that graffiti is art after all ...
great !!!!!!!

but please , forget Van Gogh , he is ... > just forget about him ... :D

[Big TL Springs]

yea,, just was an easy example^^

[kila]

i think that graffiti is art in some ways but vandlism in others. it is art beacause you are trying to get ur name out there and for people to notice ur tag. if u are just scribbling on shit and destroying things then that is vandalism.

-kila

[stewa_sk8]

Originally posted by Big TL Springs@Nov 10 2006, 02:27 AM
yea,, just was an easy example^^
?!?!?! :P

[peng.2]

it all depends on who's doin it and why........some people do it for the art like pieces and productions.....and some people do it for terretory, vandalism, or tag bangin (gang tags) etc.

[furious]

in my opinion, graff is about creativity and trying your best to do something original. if you got the same cookie color wildstyle as the next head, i think its much more artistic to have a really hot, original looking throw or simple.

thats just my opinion

[M3T-nine-T-4]

I think it is an art form, but in the sense that its an illegal art form is tha reason its called vandalism, another reason its art bcuz its in a graffitti "artist" name, but society calls us vandals, i jus think anything that can catch ur eye from off a highway or wen ur sittin on a bus, if u can actually appreciate graff wen u see it, i think of it as art in my mind and appreciate a good peice wen i see it not jus toy bullshit, i jus guess some want 2 b called vandals instead of an artist, id rather be an artist...

[faime]

to me "graffiti" is illegal and legal pieces are graffiti art

[stewa_sk8]

Originally posted by faime@Nov 11 2006, 08:51 PM
to me "graffiti" is illegal and legal pieces are graffiti art
:huh: ?!?!? :huh:

[Fuckiev]

how do you not understand?
legal pieces ARE graffiti art, they're done legaly, thus not graffiti, but art inspired from graffiti.

[eyesore]

for me, the illegal aspect of graffiti is what fills the whole act of writing with energy and life. in graffiti, there isn't only the end product, but the whole process to it. the cans, the checking over your shoulder, the nerves, all that shit. no artist in any gallery had to go out at 3 am in the freezing cold to go paint his shit, all while trying to avoid getting caught. the thing with graffiti is, when you look at someone's work, you don't just look at the end result, the letters, but the location aswell; which someone who goes out to art galleries is never going to get, they just look at the end result, that square piece of canvas. now on the whole piece vs bombing aspect, i think both are an artform, but not because of the visual result, because of the process. there's a whole artform to the actual writing of graffiti, and the varying result is not the main importance. now if some kid writes fuck a few times on a wall, that's vandalism, and in no way shape or form is that art, but, it's self expression. that kid wanted to write fuck on a wall and he did, he expressed himself. now that's how simple self expressive vandalism differs from graffiti, though you might be expressing yourself through your graffiti, there's also an additional dimension to your writing, that you may or may not be aware of. even if all you do is bomb, that artistic aspect comes into play: you know the difference between what's wack and what isn't. now, we may not be able to explain in words what makes something good or not, but we all know what's good and what's not, so there is an artform to graffiti, although it doesn't always make itself apparent.

long answer to a simple question, and i really didn't answer anything at all

[stewa_sk8]

Originally posted by Fuckiev@Nov 18 2006, 09:47 PM
how do you not understand?
legal pieces ARE graffiti art, they're done legaly, thus not graffiti, but art inspired from graffiti.
I sead my English is bad , so when I translate this words directly to my Language , it make no sence ...
But when I try harder , I mean , when I translate it like it was in a speach ... I see what was all about ...
so , don't be rought on me ... sorry ... :P :rolleyes:

[cnue]

my opinion
i didn't bother reading anything anyone posted because i have a headache, so yell at me for saying it's already been stated blahblah yadda yadda


graffiti to some extent is art. it's hard to say a piece is not art. it's also hard to say a tag is in fact, art. on a basis though, any kind of writing can be interpreted as "caligraphy", which is recognized as art, therefore it links any kind of graffiti to art. on the other hand, a tag or throwup is also perceived (and you can't even argue this one), as vandalism. many people wn't recognize it as art because it is vandalism.

it goes either way. it's relativism and i'm sure it will change in years to come.

[RISK0NEFA]

graffiti is like weed it is the gateway to more fulfilling things u might not think it but it is. alot of writers foud they're way from a spraycan to a canvas with abstract designs on it and in many ways graffiti is an art form. art is ne thing that allows someone to express your self so what gesus sed on the first post was totally irrelevant because him going out there and destroyin shit is a way of expressin the destructive side of you so called writers who dont think of them selves as artists u need to actually think of it outside of the box

[sketch13]

i kind of agree with gesus but at the same time graffiti means different things to different people so it cant really be classified ..... like there are those who just want to go out and wreck shit and get their name up as much as possible(well that mostly goes for every writter) and there are those who find the artistic side in it like people who piece, in my opinion they are not just wrecking shit they are creatong a piece of art that not everyone can understand the meaning behind why they do it... only a commuinity of people (writters) do.. i think that is the ART behind graffiti... now i'm not saying all people who piece feel the same way but i believe that most do ........anyways just my thoughts on the subject....

-peace-

[Jroc1993]

parts of graffiti are art like piecing and murals cuz that takes serious fuckin skill but shit like bombing aint art thats just destroyin shit so that ppl see yur name

[SpLiTbomber]

bombing is an artform in itself aswell. maybe you need clarification on what 'art' means so heres the merriam webster dictionary definitions..

- skill acquired by experience, study, or observation
- an occupation requiring knowledge or skill
- the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; works

im not trying to say its not vandalism, i think it is both destruction as well as an art in itself

[AteskOne]

Originally posted by GeSuS_KRiST@Jan 25 2005, 03:28 PM
but i wanna see your everyones views on this, who know if might even help some people out with doing reports in school
haha i'm actually doing a report in this as we speak...should probably get back to typing it but i needed a little break. i definitely feel graffiti is an art because art is technically described as any way shape or form that a person expresses themself. there are millions of ways to express yourself whether it be through music, drawing, painting, dancing...whatever. anyway you express yourself is up to you but in my opinion this makes it an art whether you belive it to be or not.

[revolt92]

i asked my art teacher if i could do art for my g.c.s.e's but she said no, fucking bitch, but that's beside the point, what i'm getting at is that if she let's people do about picaso but yet wont let me do graffiti ART, to ask if graff is art is in the eye's of the beholder, people don't think it's art because they don't like it. This is an almost impossible question to ask, especially in a graffiti forum because at the end of the day there's only gonna be one answere here.

peace

[Kaze]

what the fuck do you think graffiti is basketball of course its art
art is taking your hand and drawin what comes to mind one way of self expression just like graffiti just expressing yourself through a different name in the streets or on a wall same shit its art its what you make it its how you see it its not what other people say of shit its vandalism so is writing i <3 ashley on a bus stop its all the same in my opinion its art just in a different form and expressed differently

[TylerDurden]

HELL NAH IT AINT ART!

:angry:

[nero122]

to me graffiti is both art n fukcin mindless yet pasionate destruction i love destroying the shit outta walls n shit with bombs but when i piece its like a whole different thin i feel an adrenalin ruch that i dont feel with much else im sure alot of people have said this kinda shit but w/e .

when i see like that horse like in pbp im like that aint graff but in a sense it is. Graffiti i think is what society has given the name of this new art/destruction but like in pbp graffiti is the only real speach lleft not controlled by the media and goverment thats why its illegal because the goverment knows if people opend theyre eyes and saw the meaning of it theyd ask why cant we...... and theyd have no answer whenever i a news repost on graff its ALWAYS VANDALISM THIS AND VANDALISM THAT n the pics they show are vandalism not the other part of the art .

neway thats me:)

[ansichrist]

graffiti can be art, but i'm tired of little kids whining... "bleh,bleh, this is art and you shouldn't be punished for doing art bleh bleh" ...to me, it's mostly destruction nowdays... and, hell, i'm still just writing my name on the wall & that's it. if someone considers that art, that's their problem. i just want my name to be seen & written better than others.

[revolt92]

It depends of what typy of graff it is...e.g. if someone does like a really big and colourful piece in a place where everyone can see it....thats art.

Whereas the reason people don't think it's art is the way that alot of it isn't nice and colourful, and people think that it's done by yobs or gangs, so their scared of it, to me it's art but like i said up there^^^^ its in the eyes of the beholder

[BIGel]

hell fucking no. its stupid shit that'll get a jailed.

[Darkeist]

i consider it art, because you know in a way everything can be art or made into art. and...damn i forgot what i was gonna say

[TylerDurden]

Originally posted by BIGel@Feb 27 2007, 08:44 PM
hell fucking no. its stupid shit
agreed.

[piscameur]

Graffiti was art

[inkbits]

It'd be considered art by a lot more people if you lazy writer pricks took someone out bombing with ya to serve champagne and those bitesize cheesy bacon things on the little toothpicks. The art is cheap but the hospitality is shite.



voted conceptual calligraphy.

[snap_pxc]

In my opinion it all depends on why u r doing it. You decide if it is art, if u do it jst cuz u like scribblin on the fuckin wall then ur a vandal. But someone who goes out and puts the hours in for pieces may feel differently. I for one think that pieces r forms of art. I don't do graff jst to fuck my city up, thats half the high but the other half is seein ur shit up when u pass by it on the bus lookin fresh.

so for the writers who's shit looks fresh yeah i'd say graffiti is an art. some people jst arent quite at the artistic stage yet.

[Mia305]

^^I agree 100%.

[stewa_sk8]

in my country ... graffiti is vandal all the way !!! :-( ...
realy ... :-(

[G - Wahl]

Peices, Murals, anything like that = Art
Bombing, tagging, hollows..etc = Vandal

[sketch13]

Originally posted by stewa_sk8@Mar 10 2007, 06:51 AM
in my country ... graffiti is vandal all the way !!! :-( ...
realy ... :-(
(says in russian accent) in russia we have no wal to paint on lmao :lol:

naw but for real where you from??

[1nOnly Baze]

^hahahaha :lol:

[*grim*]

:ph34r: shyt its art my dude cuz u got to work on it and make it beautifull u kno and u have to practice just like other art so yup

[popshots]

yo r u the same grim that use to always b on the toy throwie exchange

[Tagger101]

that was a retarded poll

graffiti is art
but tags and shit
notta
there justa get up

[daSkaM]

it is an art for the one that appreciates it

[anie 1]

naw it aint art its our way of saying were not going to bomb a country or were not going to conform to your boring life were going to get up wether you lik it or not

[dim]

there is some graffiti that is art peicing is art characters is art basically if you are skilled at doing wat you do its art it isnt art when people go around just for the fun of it writing w.e. the fuck come into there mind

[C-money fresh!]

Originally posted by Tagger101@Apr 2 2007, 08:32 PM
that was a retarded poll

graffiti is art
but tags and shit
notta
there justa get up
do you not care what your taggs look like you perfect them so your handies look hot as hell...art!

beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Pieces are just more pleasing to the eye

[0000]

Originally posted by daSkaM@Apr 2 2007, 08:40 PM
it is an art for the one that appreciates it
tru dat

[Hask420]

Originally posted by C-money fresh!+Apr 3 2007, 05:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (C-money fresh! @ Apr 3 2007, 05:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Tagger101@Apr 2 2007, 08:32 PM
that was a retarded poll

graffiti is art
but tags and shit
notta
there justa get up
do you not care what your taggs look like you perfect them so your handies look hot as hell...art!

beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Pieces are just more pleasing to the eye [/b][/quote]
wordd i agree wid money

[Tagger101]

yea but its not really art
its writing graffiti yea
but bombs and throwies and murals and peices
there more art
yea i like to make my tags look pretty
but i dont consider them art
but whatever. to each his own...

[ekin]

graff is art but only murals pieces and sick throws but like etchs and tags and shit thats not art thats just what u do to get ur name up or destroy prop[erty but one of the best part odf this art is the adrenalinee rush u get

[Tagger101]

^^^^ EXACLTY!!!
you fuckers atleats ekins get it
;)

[Excalibur]

Graffiti might not have been art, but it's art now....I mean, it's all over the place, it's not a question anymore, it's a FACT, Graffiti is art.

[peng.2]

it depends what kind of graffiti your talking about
if its just writing on a dumpster of course its just vandalism
but if its a mural full of pieces, color, characters and, designs then that is art

[Excalibur]

That's not true, cause like, If you draw a cartoon character on your school desk, that's vandalism, but it's still art. Art isn't determined by how long it takes to do it, or where it is, it's determined by the heart put in it, and the appeal it gets.

[Sumoe]

legal=art
illegal=vandalism

I hate it when people be like "graffiti is art, it's beautiful, there is nothing wrong with it etc."

[hella_greasy]

I don't see how it can be disputed..graffiti fits into the marjority of definitions of "art"..it is the creative application of a medium to a surface..graffiti is art by defintion

but it is also destruction of property, and is also vandalism..I don't see how something can't be art AND vandalism, they are completley unrelated

so yes, graffiti, from burners to fucking glass etching, even if its wack as fuck is absolutley art..

[hella_greasy]

Originally posted by Excalibur@Apr 9 2007, 11:17 AM
Graffiti might not have been art, but it's art now....I mean, it's all over the place, it's not a question anymore, it's a FACT, Graffiti is art.
yeah! this cat gets it..

[AteskOne]

Originally posted by Excalibur@Apr 10 2007, 10:26 PM
Art isn't determined by how long it takes to do it, or where it is, it's determined by the heart put in it, and the appeal it gets.
i'm with you 100% on this one.

people needa stop "saying some of it is art...some isnt." it either is or it isnt and i vote 'is'.

hella_greasy and excalibur are the only cats that make any sense on here. this isnt even disputable. graffiti is are by definition as greasy stated.

[Degausserr x]

Originally posted by Excalibur@Apr 10 2007, 10:26 PM
Art isn't determined by how long it takes to do it, or where it is, it's determined by the heart put in it, and the appeal it gets.

that basically but everything in a nutshell i would have said.

graffiti is defiantly art, you design it, you put time and effort into it, and when you stand back and look at the finished product it isn't just vandalism, its beautiful.

[xFatel.Onex]

if you actualy think about it graffiti is an abstract art form... not totaly only if you think about things. like why they put it there why do they write that name why do they do that style why do they do those style of characters and why did they use those colours... the answer most would use is cuz "they felt like it" but theres always more to that answer

[BOOGER KING]

Well a blank wall doesent come under art at all.

[<SMK>]

I dont care what anyone says all graffiti is art its just in a different class of art...

[Degausserr x]

Originally posted by <SMK>@May 9 2007, 12:14 AM
I dont care what anyone says all graffiti is art its just in a different class of art...
more of a different form...

[GEE-DOT-ONE]

graff is only art to graff artists... i think peices and murals are a differnt thing...

i beleve a throwie can be amazing if you get the right one...

and ever seen philly handstyles?
its an art right there... think not? lets see you pull them off as good

[elcs]

mods...come on

[anon df-mb]

in my opinion it is.people goto skool to learn some things related to grafd like good color schemes,3d,dimentions and letter structure.i thinks its definetly and art form.this may not be the right thread for what im about to say but i have to say it...people want to call graffiti vandalism but vandalism is fukin throwing a brick thru a window,in reality graff is creative destruction.anyone can pik up a can and paint somethin but it takes a creative mind to do bombs,pieces and burners.jus somthin i always wanted to say...

[vintage]

whoa, wtf is up with all these essay answers.
graf is art whether you think it or not.
art doesnt have to be eye popping.
FINGER ART baby, ye grade 2 remember?
thats art.
cans are the tools, walls are the canvas' . . .
and art is made. thats it.

[sens1]

Graffiti art is an art form. The reasons, including aesthetic criteria, as to why it is an art form far outweigh the criticism of illegality, incoherence, and nonstandard presentation. The objective of this paper is to explain how graffiti art overcomes these concerns and thereby can be considered as an art form.

Suppose that Leonardo, Monet, Picasso, or any of the recognized artisans of Western European culture were alive in the present day. Then, suppose that one of these famous artists decided to paint a masterpiece on the side of your house or on your front door or on a wall in your neighborhood. Would Picasso or Monet's markings be graffiti or art or vandalism or graffiti art? The answer may vary across people, but I would claim that those markings are art in the form of graffiti. Their markings would qualify as vandalism only if they appeared on private or public property without permission. The same answer holds for the present day, genre of graffiti known as graffiti art.

-George C. Stowers gstowers@students.miami.edu

i feel graffiti is a way of expressing your self. wether it be a bomb or a piece. there is no denying what we do takes practice and talent.
graffiti is an art form. plain and simple.
-BReSk

[coser1]

k who the hell was dumb enough to vote no...yes its frekin art you shouldn't even have to ask

[RUDE_Bwoy]

im on both sides but i think graff is an art more than vandalism

[coser1]

well i think vandalism is an art too if you really think about it

[RUDE_Bwoy]

sort of,like stencils.ive seen real nice stencil that have a meaning but is illegal.same with graff in a way

[SKriBL*666]

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but how is this art is what im wondering?

http://img180.exs.cx/img180/8458/00065gp.jpg
http://img180.exs.cx/img180/439/dsc00144jpg3vk.jpg
Im replyin to a hella old reply but whatev.

I personally think an artist works on his/her art forever perfecting it and what not.
I have worked years on advancing my style and the way it looks.
Even if it is tags and bombs, it takes years to perfect.
Even after years, its not perfected.
Theres still that feeling that you know you can make it better.
So i think that if you put your life into perfecting it, i would consider it an art.

Art(noun;pronounced-ahrt): the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.

Hence of course the toy shit out there that looks like shit.
There is a certain level till its considered art i think.

[nero122]

creative destruction to me a hobby which becomes an obsesion where you strive to hit that one perfect place with that one perfect piece thats my views

[capitol]

personally i think piecing/murals/burners that are good are considered art.bombing however..im just not a fan off. Its jsut marking your teratory?But piecing is more expressive and more different.

[nero122]

nah bombing is an artform its a sub art of graffiti in a scense before you can even throw up you kneed a solid tag /bomb then you can do blocks n so on ...

[ASH.802]

I think some graffiti is art. The world is a sketchbook, everybody's early pieces will suck to some degree, but eventually one can become a master, and it's then that i think it is really art. some fool's scribble on a subway chair is definately not art. a dope tag with complex structure and connections is.

[_Slur_]

Of course graffiti is an art, my dad who is an artist even says graffiti is an artform, he likes it better on legal canvases thou.

My art teachers in school think graffiti is an artform aswell just not when its againts the law, they'd rather you not do it thou. Then of course artist I talk to (Not Graff) think its a good artform on its own.

[mas$]

im my opinion its are otherwise we wudnt be spendin years developin styles and getttin crits for shit, plus its all a form of artistic expression...
if it wasnt art then everyone would look like the mark ecko gettin up teens
also, ppl like Daim even take influnce from artists like Dali and someone else cant remember the other one tho...
i ono thats my views

[-Sinn-]

666th VOTE!!!!!!

[-Sole-]

Fuck Murals....bomb

[1nOnly Baze]

fuck fucking things bitch. just paint. paint. paint. paint. paint period!

[pez ss]

i think it is cause evry part of it takes time and thought wether its a piece a bomb or just a tag vandilism to me is more like when u egg a house or break shit or what ever that takes no thought or time

[Naysayer]

I think it is art. Even throwies and tags. If you look through these forums and look around (in the toy section especially) you see two things. people posting pics of whatever and crits. If we were just out to do strict vandalism there is no reason to have anything good. It wouldnt matter if we were doing peace signs and swasticas or if we were piecing if graff was just about vandalism. The fact that we are striving to make it looks better is why it is art.

[rekon]

gesus looses.. sad day lol

[cezns]

If you can go to an art gallery and see 2 lines and some paint splattered on a piece of a paper and its consider art then I would say you can consider all forms of graffiti, art.
That doesn't necessarily mean its pleasant to look at, it just means basically anything can be considered art.

I don't get why you said its vandalism so you don't consider it art because that really makes no sense.

But to answer your original question, it technically is considered art.
I would much rather look at Murals or Pieces than bombs or tags but its all art in one way or another.

[vowels]

Personally, I think that graffiti is art but also a form of adrenaline and secretively being popular. Tagging and etching is not art, it is merely a way of getting your name out and getting recognized so that people will keep a look out when they do see your actual art (pieces) and recognize the name that they saw on the streets.

So yes, I do think graffiti is a form of art, but only parts of what graffiti is known for. I guess tagging and etching could be considered art because they are artistic ways of writing words but it's more just a creative way of getting your name out so people will recognize your talent and know your "name" when they see it under the bridge down the street or even on the side of their home.

[SoundOff]

Real graffiti, to me, is not art.

It's vandalism.

If you do legals, that's not graffiti, it's spray can art.

This is fucking vandalism, get it through your thick skulls, almost everybody that doesn't graff agrees, they don't (usually) look at your shit and say oh wow this is some modern art right here. No. They look at it and think wow this fucking bastard just wrote on that wall.

I don't care about your opinion, if you respond to this bitching about how oh this point is invalid because blah blah blah, I really don't care.

Fuck man...

Oh, by the way, try telling the pigs it's art, yeah they'll become real nice to you then...

[letsg0skate]

To some people they are out to get their name up, destroy everything, and rebel. In that way I don't consider it an art. Some people want to put up the best work they can. That is art. When you try and perfect it, care about it, and work hard to make it look good even if its a throwie or tag it's still art. To me it just depends how you look at it.

[cezns]

I don't get why people say that bercause its vandalism, it's not art.
It can be both!

[Mr Tasty]

its both...i dont see much art in tagging..altho a tagger still has to design his tag...work on it...if u can be bothered u will see the artistic side to tagging...
piecing is deff art...just becuase it vandalises doesnt mean its not art....it just means your exhibiting your artwork on the streets for everyone to see....

[syrne]

i dunno wtf graff is , but its fun

[AEROSOL_FEEN]

ask this guy if graffiti is art...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=u_OOuTkHifQ
someone posted it somewhere before....

[letsg0skate]

wow that kid gets his skull smashed whoever it was they are pussies hes obviously to drunk and the first time they're beatin him was more then enough but the second time was justt pussyyyyy two big dudes kickin his face while hes on the ground whaccck

[kuso]

its art, but its a crime too, if graffiti was legal, i wouldnt do it, it wouldnt be as fun.

[AEROSOL_FEEN]

wow that kid gets his skull smashed whoever it was they are pussies hes obviously to drunk and the first time they're beatin him was more then enough but the second time was justt pussyyyyy two big dudes kickin his face while hes on the ground whaccck
yeah that is fucking dickhead....i would back that kid up. and when the guy whacked him hehe first time he threw is punches soooooo slow....

[Grape1]

Personally, I think the best answer would be art is both vandalism and art. If your doing a nice bridge spot somewhere, you have the vandalism aspect of it because your defacing somebody else's property; at the same time your putting hard work and creativity into it, therefore it is also art.

The only way to tell if graffiti is only art or only vandalism is to see if the person doing it is really putting they're own creative edge into there work or just doing sloppy copycat stuff.

Bottom line in my opinion, graffiti is both art and vandalism unless your doing a legal, in which case its just art.

-Grape1

[wasted1]

graffiti isnt art and thats right! graffiti is protesting against media posters and commercials as replacing urself against them as protest.tag is ur alias name and galiocraphy bomb is like commercial poster piece is your protest idk did i spelled wrong im from estonia :D

[[phenom5]]

http://www.aeropause.com/archives/wtf-cat.jpg

[C-SONE]

It is definately both art and vandalsim. Just because it is one it is not not the other, It is definately not plain vandalism as it is damage with a purpose as oppsed to damage for no reason and which does not reflect well upon anybody.

[C-SONE]

Who Gives A Fuck What Cope2 Would Say, Unless You Are Actually Gonna Ask Him.

[lordloss]

dude that video is fucked up man what littel bitchs two on one kicking that guy in the face thats fucked up. anyway back to the question is graffiti art?yes i would say it is or at least has artist vaules like when you go and do a tag your not just writing a word on a wall you trying to be creative and have your name look good. If you say its not art just think like when you do a peice or just a simple throw up think what you did to creat it ONE:tried to make it your own and stand out.TWO:you had to chose what colors and out lines and all that go together. those are both things that artist do so i woul have to say its fucking creative vandilism your not just walking up to a wall and paint you think it out and try to make it look as good as you can

[Bets369R]

i think STAB says it best in this video. its long but its a great watch.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q25vmrcZZeA

[silentchaos14]

id say its artistic vandilism. there aint much art that goes into tagging but pieces and throws have some artistic value to them.

[ki.ne.tic]

of course it is.. it is visual oppressed art.

[xtitansx0]

yes its art, any behavior used to express yourself is considered art... if u wana rap a tampon with tape and write "go jets" on it its art...lol

[igots0le]

its creative vandalism

[stewa_sk8]

Graffiti is expression of self though art
word ... :):D

[toon_dragon]

^^^yeah its both. Destroying shit, with an artistic touch.

[toxus]

This thread makes more and more angry the more I view it.

Fuck off.

[sketch3]

id say its artistic vandilism. there aint much art that goes into tagging but pieces and throws have some artistic value to them.


this is only true for toys, a dpoe handy can be artistic

[markingz.]

i think legal graffiti and illegal graffiti are both art but then again sometimes I ask myself, is art this addictive?

[toon_dragon]

^hmm...you've got a point...so maybe graffiti is a drug? not an art. haha

[truesthoodlum]

looks down u a dumb bitch for saying graphitti aint art just my opinion know your history graphitti comes from hyroglfics and ancient times the it can be found on the walls in the pyramids and is the first form of any language that was ever recorded. i personaly belive graphitti is the poor mans way of leaving his mark its why so many carved there images and impressions in the first place to show why they were there

sincerly
true
hoodlumz world lifestyle group manager

[FateOne]

I am hoping you screwed up like every other word on purpose....no hate, just wondering.

[RjG2mcfiledsnap]

Actual for all yous guys my defuntion on gaffiti is that it is a form of abstarct art, for one it uses tools that are not tipical for most art forms it changes the enviroment around you and completely transform the idea of what the object(that has graffition it or other form) means to the viewer. Graffiti is art and it will always be art. it is a social art,creative art,or any other type of new idea someone has that would like to ad on to the diffrent types. so please dont hate...thank and good nite(I sound like a real asshole don,t i, but its my option.

[ekimboi1]

looks down u a dumb bitch for saying graphitti aint art just my opinion know your history graphitti comes from hyroglfics and ancient times the it can be found on the walls in the pyramids and is the first form of any language that was ever recorded. i personaly belive graphitti is the poor mans way of leaving his mark its why so many carved there images and impressions in the first place to show why they were there

sincerly
true
hoodlumz world lifestyle group manager

learn how to spell GRAFFITI, retard...

[C-SONE]

Word that cunt needs to go back to primary school

[CombatGuru]

makes things look more interesting...have you ever turned your head twice for a blank wall?

yeah but that's only cause im checking it out for a run later:D

[Fazed]

I think we need a spelling lesson.

I'm sure you'd prove your point MUCH better if you learned to spell half the words you're saying.

Also, I think graffiti is an art. If it wasn't art, why would we spend all our time and effort making it look better? How many hours do you spend in a day sketching, making your letters look right, building techniques, ect. That sounds like art to me. I guess it varies for each person. I'm not saying it should be legal, if it wasn't punishable it wouldn't be special because no one would be afraid to write on walls. That's part of what makes it an art, graffiti being special and out of the ordinary.

Sorry if I reiterated things that other people were saying
I didn't really get a chance to read the whole thread

[Backalley Abortion Doctor]

Nope. Any experienced writer who tells you this is art, is either lying to you, or doesn't paint illegally.

[maso1]

Well it depends what you calssify art as. I think of it as a way of expressising yourself, and because graffiti is against the law so it's like you are saying a big fuck you to society. I think the main reason graffiti appeals to so many people is because of the rebelious nature behind it. The other great thing about it is that if you want something to say or an opinon to share with other people you don't have to wait a year for a book you wrote to come out or you don't to have to be a respected person in society. You can just write what ever the fuck you want in a public place for every one to see.

Well that's my view any way.

[Tiros1]

art
–noun
1. the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance.
2. the class of objects subject to aesthetic criteria; works of art collectively, as paintings, sculptures, or drawings: a museum of art; an art collection.
3. a field, genre, or category of art: Dance is an art.
4. the fine arts collectively, often excluding architecture: art and architecture.
5. any field using the skills or techniques of art: advertising art; industrial art.
6. (in printed matter) illustrative or decorative material: Is there any art with the copy for this story?
7. the principles or methods governing any craft or branch of learning: the art of baking; the art of selling.
8. the craft or trade using these principles or methods.
9. skill in conducting any human activity: a master at the art of conversation.
10. a branch of learning or university study, esp. one of the fine arts or the humanities, as music, philosophy, or literature.
11. arts,
a. (used with a singular verb) the humanities: a college of arts and sciences.
b. (used with a plural verb) liberal arts.
12. skilled workmanship, execution, or agency, as distinguished from nature.
13. trickery; cunning: glib and devious art.
14. studied action; artificiality in behavior.
15. an artifice or artful device: the innumerable arts and wiles of politics.
16. Archaic. science, learning, or scholarship.




motherfuckers should peep the dictionary sometimes


by many definitions writing graffiti is obviously an art, while by some others in can be regarded as not

[TECKN]

if you made it yourself with imagination and stuff then its art, even if its a simple tag (sounds corny)

[Apel-MH]

Lol @ the thirty or so guys that corrected that guys spelling mistake.

Tagging is art, just not a very attractive type of art.

The definition of art (paraphrased) "is a activity, which requires any form of skill"

Tagging well is hard to get down.. I'm new, and my mates still reckon my bombs are better then my tags in comparison to the rest of the graffiti world. And i remember as a kid the first thing i noticed about graff is the sick tags down Carlton flats.

If nothing else Tagging is a art of expression, weather that's cause your a trouble making delinquent, bored adolescent, or addicted 22 year old with the rep to die for. (or even into political agendas.) This is also the case for throwies..

(For the record, I graff and i tag and don't classify my self as being out there to fuck shit up, nor do I classify myself under any of those categories that i put up there just then, i started graff cause my sisters boyfriend always use to make her these mad cards, so i started imitating now I'm hooked)

Bombing... (for the sake of the argument i classify bombing a outline drawing with specific, defining detail (shading ect) Bombing is art. quite frankly you have to be soooooooo narrow minded to not see that its art.

Piecing (a aresole painting of something that's not a worded) Is art. (i don't think anyone's disagreeing true?) even when its ugly its sill art.

[LAN3YFS]

ITS NOT ART... search art about any where or ask people (not writers) and theyll say someting like abstract.. i just dont hink it is i agrre with the man upstairs..

[JETPACK!!]

its a game.

it's like any sport.

you have your hits
you get hurt
you have your penalities/game misconducts (getting caught)
your equipment


an you gotta practice a lot before you can play the game well

[TronMzero]

wow. quick answer.

Graffiti the ART itself, is art, yes..... duh.

Graffiti the Vandalism part, obviously no.

[Panda Jerk]

agreed^^^

[LWO]

Have a look on :
http://graff.video.free.fr
A new practice of graffiti and also a new form of video art.

More info about this new practice :
http://graff.video.free.fr/en/approach.htm

Have fun!

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To answer your question "Is Graffiti Art?" I would like to know what is your definition of Art ?

[osnapizzel]

graffiti is the art of vandalism. if all it was was vandalism then everyone getting up would be toy as fuck, and stay toy as fuck.


from tags to throw ups to pieces its ALL art

[La Coka Nostra]

fuck no! graffiti sucks!
;]

[osnapizzel]

you suck nikka dont make me take a 35 min bus ride over to your shit and beef about this face to face

[anti-anti-crime]

video tape it! i wanna see some fat flying!

and ofcoruse it is. i got into an exact argument on this subject, and i gave him a peace of paper, and a pencil and told him ill be back in 10 minutes.
looked worse than the best of bombingscience battle. then i busted out some simple hand styles and a couple wickets and he just walked away... ahhhh, when ya win an argument...

[osnapizzel]

lol im skinny as fuck coka would probably knock me

[anti-anti-crime]

get some meat on them bonnneessssss.
or start benchin. i did and gained 15 pounds of muslce in 4 months. not bad

[osnapizzel]

nah i like where im at, im skinny but im pretty well built i do a lot of sports and shit so im toned and shit

[not_hammer_time]

im pretty well built i do a lot of sports and shit so im toned and shit

i lol'd

[Subconcious]

I lol'd at your sig^^^ Is that Karl Marx as in Marxism?

[anti-anti-crime]

same here.

[wrekstyle]

its both..their not askin for our art, and were not asking for their wall so.....

[anti-anti-crime]

what are you talking about?

[MessTonic]

My vote just bumped the "Yes" to 666 lol..

[soath]

life is art. graff is life. graff is art.


*i think there is art in everything. fine art is less artistic these days than most tags.
getting your word to fit on a post or fence, between holes in brick work, that's just as artistic to me as any other form.

[TASR]

its both..their not askin for our art, and were not asking for their wall so.....

STOLEN FROM "Bomb It"

[wrekstyle]

STOLEN FROM "Bomb It"
yea i was tryin to remember who said it exactly...

[the redeemer]

http://www.bombingscience.com/index.php/blog/viewThread/1309
read up kiddies.

i dont think "art" is quite the right word for it, nor vandalism(at least in our eyes).

[not_hammer_time]

STOLEN FROM "Bomb It"

theres a BIG suprise

[osnapizzel]

yea i was tryin to remember who said it exactly...


riiight

[wrekstyle]

i think it was Daze.... or Futura 2000

[Scheme*119]

graffiti is gang related and a stain on the cum towel of society, peace guys, im gunna go take the police test.

[Epoc]

I put no, just to be cool.

It all depends on how you view it....are tot (literal version) scribbles with crayons art?

If yes; because eventually the kid will progress and became the next Dali, then tags are art. They are the foundation to correct letter structure and lead to phat pieces. (Only true for an individual who wants to develop, not some douche bag with a fucking magnum who writes "grad '09")

If no; because drawing cant be called art until it was created for a purpose and style with thought, passion and years of experience. Then even the legitimate tag is straight vandalism.

Most intriguing however; the definition of art. I could take a corn dump in a studio, then others and I call it art, therefore it is.

I guess its mostly how the majority sees it....THERE IS NO ANSWER..... :/

[MiDnightSnitch]

ok its pretty simple graffiti the word means vandalism. graffiti art = art. sugarcoat that bitch and fuck her all you want but graffs vandalism. and if toys is just sayin its art for justification they need to get their head outta they ass and stop thinkin with it as well....

[Noddles912300]

Graffiti is the work of Satan. And the so called "Graffiti Artists" are acually spawns of Satan in disguise.;)

[EgoZen]

It is...and it is keeping kids away from drugs because they spent all the money on their cans...
Well I rather say the true writers not some wnb`s that just talk much shit (also on BS, yes)

[Kimo13]

it depends on who is doin it...any toy can scribble they name up on sumthin, but if u got skill and ya droppin pieces and crazy ass handstyles, then u a artist, if u aint doin that, then you might be a vandal, but u sure as shit aint no artist!

[PeeInTheShower]

it's art. however, there's such thing called shitty art. alot of writers make shitty art, but they don't get noticed.

hell, if you wipe your ass and make a streak on the wall, it's art. it's just shitty art.

i swear to god no pun intended.
just because it looks bad doesn't mean it's not art. even a quick scribble no matter how terrible it is could be art. everyones just used to having pics of insane art shoved in their faces in school and they're convinced that art is only good shit.

[Stussy]

id say its a type of art...

[Stasis]

we make it art, toys make it trash, art is just a voice of emotion in a picture but toys make it a wannabe cool thing, art banging isnt cool if u understand the art, just voice, im pretty sure every good artist has squashed a banger but its just a lesson to those who dont remember what graffiti is....im no banger......im a balance. like futura, sane, JA, and many others

[Logicless]

It is art and vandalism. You are appling a medium to
a surface and that is basically considered art. The reason
some many think it is "stupid vandalism trash" is because
certain people think it is fine to tag houses and up and
running businesses...oh yea and schools.

[Olick]

u must be pretty fuckin retarded to think its art "not dissing the guy above me"

if you vandalize on a private or public property without consent of the owner and city then u are vandalizing it thus breaking the law. cant give 2 shits how good it is

tell the cop "hey d000d i is doing art yo. express myself man" then u deserve to get ur shit tossed in prison.

if you want to create art. by a fuckin canvas u retards.

but then again.

there is "rebel-art" where you show the hypocritical ways of society.

best way to express that is to do billboards, posters, signs, voting posters, do and just make ur own and post them in the street.

people wont think its vandalizing because ur not "writing" on anything. but then again. thiers a big ole piece drawn onto it. so if they take it off you just go "hey u sick bitch why dont u get rid of those vote for obama/mckain posters eh? i payed for those signs"

evil corperation man!.

[CandyRain88]

^so your saying it cant be art and vandalism at the same time?

[C3ZR ONE]

I dont think its art. Im a tag banger so when i rolls wit me click southern united raza we put up cap fools and put ***** bitches on dey backs. How is dat art....truth is it aints art.....tag banging is a way of life


dont get caught slippin like KMT

Just because you're the lowest common denominator doesn't mean the rest of the culture follows suit. If you want to bang, why don't you just join a fuckin straight up gang and bang? Why do you need a throwie (which is prolly terrible anyways)? I don't play dodgeball and knit sweaters at the same time.. It seems stupid to combine them. I know gangs have always had gang graffiti, but tagbanging? fuckin brutal ass poundingly gay.

Tagbangers- please go join a real gang and stop lurking around graffiti forums. You won't learn anything here. Mainly because you're 2 IQ points away from riding short bus.

[sobe1AOS.TBA]

its not an issue of either, or. Its both depending on whos eyes you look at it through. Even gangbangers consider their graffiti art. Totally subjective. The fact thats it can be illegal doesnt mean its not art. The fact that your ''getting up'' doesnt mean you have artistic intentions. Its in the eye of the beholder IMO.

[<3WEED]

i think that graffiti is art because you guys are syaing that piecing is art and tagging isnt but if it wasnt for tagging we wouldve never had throwies or bombs or pieces or anything it all started from the tag and just evolved... and i definately dont think graffiti is vandalism... that is just a label that society put on it because they would rather have blank boring walls then to have colorful and interesting walls... i believe that what i do is freedom of expression and i love to express myself.... i love doing it and i love telling people "yah i did that!" idk thats just my opinion but this is an interesting thread

[twotimesfive]

Graffiti isn't art, it's vandalism. Vandalism just doesn't have to be ugly.

[wafflecakee]

i couldn't care less what it is, i just enjoy doing it.

[brave little taoster]

word..

[MF The Super Villain]

To answer the question of if graffiti is art or not, let me ask you a few more questions that have the same answer: Is the sky blue? Is the water wet? Does Lil' Wayne's "music" fucking suck? Is the Wu the greatest?

The answer to all of these questions are the same: Yes.

[Blox]

"11:40 AM In The Best Western,
I'm With My Bat Blue Her Ass Back And Chest In,
Slob My Knob Yeah No Question,
That's My Main Bat,
She Torough Like That So We Don't Use Protection,
But The Night Before My Wiz Must Of Checked My Phone,
How The Fuck She Get The Code?
Psh, I Don't Know!"

Thats a wack rhyme man

[da_crazy_caucasian]

http://www.graffiti.org/cfc/ish.jpg
http://img172.exs.cx/img172/1129/DSCF2027.jpg
http://img180.exs.cx/img180/1326/scarymofosofar0sd.jpg
http://img180.exs.cx/img180/4864/scarydone7tu.jpg
ok thats art
----
but how is this art is what im wondering?

http://img180.exs.cx/img180/8458/00065gp.jpg
http://img180.exs.cx/img180/439/dsc00144jpg3vk.jpg

See I love the "not art" shit at the bottom as opposed to that new age pansy art school graff shit at the top. If graffiti isn't art, then neither is anything else. Think about it; guys who do their shit illegally, risking their lives every time they go out,risking getting jail time, fines we can't pay,getting shot, stabbed,jumped,for girls(and guys but mostly girls) raped, getting hit by a train, falling off a rooftop,or falling off a freeway sign then getting hit by a fucking semi. Those are all risks writers take. If people are that intense into getting up, and showing their name, their work, it has to be art. As for that legal wall shit, pottery,fine art, even the fucking Mona Lisa, those guys could take their fucking time, they had little or no risks, and the they're artists, but not us. That's bullshit

[Olick]

its called censorship art.

i take art history and i learns =D

google robert mapplethorpe. im serious btw. take caution. they showed that shit in my class=[

believe or not they consider his work to be art. and its offensive to some. and to others they see what hes trying to say. thier asking the same questions. "is it art" many people just wanna kill this guy

the reason why alot of arguments and brewing up cuz half of you kids dont open ur head. when you think art you just visualize graffiti. thiers still other forms retards.

just look at piss christ by Damien Casey. he believes its art even though its offensive to thousands of people. he messes up a whole religion. and btw dont post stupid comments sayin "oooh jesus aint realz" i dont care. open ur mind you closed headed fucks and think on both sides.

but what do those guys have in common that graffiti doesnt?

they don't do it illegally. so bitch n moan all you want.

but then again what about robert banksy? *think young grasshoppers*

he does shit illegally. and its art.


soooooo.

think about art as a whole. look up art movements and how thier were alot of controversys on them.

what do ALL forms of art have in common?

alot of them werent accepted at first. but as years passed by "like 20 or so" the people began to accept it.

so think about it. i hate to get all preachy up in the ass but just do some fuckin work and youll get the point. alot of you dont even kno what the word "art" means. and people today still have trouble defining it.

[da_crazy_caucasian]

I never said legal art wasn't art, I was trying to show thee hypocrisy of societies not accepting graffiti as art.

[PeeInTheShower]

its called censorship art.

i take art history and i learns =D

google robert mapplethorpe. im serious btw. take caution. they showed that shit in my class=[

believe or not they consider his work to be art. and its offensive to some. and to others they see what hes trying to say. thier asking the same questions. "is it art" many people just wanna kill this guy

the reason why alot of arguments and brewing up cuz half of you kids dont open ur head. when you think art you just visualize graffiti. thiers still other forms retards.

just look at piss christ by Damien Casey. he believes its art even though its offensive to thousands of people. he messes up a whole religion. and btw dont post stupid comments sayin "oooh jesus aint realz" i dont care. open ur mind you closed headed fucks and think on both sides.

but what do those guys have in common that graffiti doesnt?

they don't do it illegally. so bitch n moan all you want.

but then again what about robert banksy? *think young grasshoppers*

he does shit illegally. and its art.


soooooo.

think about art as a whole. look up art movements and how thier were alot of controversys on them.

what do ALL forms of art have in common?

alot of them werent accepted at first. but as years passed by "like 20 or so" the people began to accept it.

so think about it. i hate to get all preachy up in the ass but just do some fuckin work and youll get the point. alot of you dont even kno what the word "art" means. and people today still have trouble defining it.

a good read right here.

[Olick]

TAnx!! sc00l wurkz. :D

i think a better questions i not wether graffit is art or not.

but ask urself.

what is art?

[MF The Super Villain]

"11:40 AM In The Best Western,
I'm With My Bat Blue Her Ass Back And Chest In,
Slob My Knob Yeah No Question,
That's My Main Bat,
She Torough Like That So We Don't Use Protection,
But The Night Before My Wiz Must Of Checked My Phone,
How The Fuck She Get The Code?
Psh, I Don't Know!"

Thats a wack rhyme man

That's a Ghostface Quote you fucking idiot. His shit is dope sauce. If your not down with the Wu than fuck you.

[Olick]

ur cool....

[senDboij]

art is communication, movement and evolution.

when an writer says is work is not art there is good chance he speaks the truth.. when you are closing yourself from exterior influences and want to do noting but destruction, great possibility that it is not art..

though there are ways of destroying, that implicate high sensibility and make destruction feel more like transformation..

[n_noodles]

Fuck art drop bombs..


nop but really, it is art, cuz its colors and shit, but still..

good old graff is all about destruction with style.

[da_crazy_caucasian]

graff is all about destruction with style.
The definition of graff

[not_hammer_time]

its called censorship art.

i take art history and i learns =D

google robert mapplethorpe. im serious btw. take caution. they showed that shit in my class=[

believe or not they consider his work to be art. and its offensive to some. and to others they see what hes trying to say. thier asking the same questions. "is it art" many people just wanna kill this guy

the reason why alot of arguments and brewing up cuz half of you kids dont open ur head. when you think art you just visualize graffiti. thiers still other forms retards.

just look at piss christ by Damien Casey. he believes its art even though its offensive to thousands of people. he messes up a whole religion. and btw dont post stupid comments sayin "oooh jesus aint realz" i dont care. open ur mind you closed headed fucks and think on both sides.

but what do those guys have in common that graffiti doesnt?

they don't do it illegally. so bitch n moan all you want.

but then again what about robert banksy? *think young grasshoppers*

he does shit illegally. and its art.


soooooo.

think about art as a whole. look up art movements and how thier were alot of controversys on them.

what do ALL forms of art have in common?

alot of them werent accepted at first. but as years passed by "like 20 or so" the people began to accept it.

so think about it. i hate to get all preachy up in the ass but just do some fuckin work and youll get the point. alot of you dont even kno what the word "art" means. and people today still have trouble defining it.

that shit is stupid, i saw piss christ, its a jesus charm in a cup of piss, art? no, a statement? sure... by that assesment anything could be art, a pile of feathers with a bucket of ice nestled inside, an evelope with cat shit in it, a cup of piss (oh, wait)... you have to draw the line somewhere, and im sorry but kids writing words places isnt art

[senDboij]

What is art?
since every one has a different versions of Art: concepts, techniques or both.. overall you could say art(and life) is a love triangle..

and what defines a love triangle? there are only 2 element touching each other at the same time.. while the third is looking..

that triangle is actually constantly evolving.. adding elements but always synthetizing the whole so there is only 2 elements..
so actually there isnt no triangle.. only two elements.. but each elements knows that they're part of the whole from its relations and influences..
and its this movement of the counsciousness that makes the third entity
its like moving back from yourself and making the point..

so i agree the question is not "is graffiti art" of course it is.. but wheter what is art...

or even what is graffiti?

[Olick]

griffit is writing on a wall. use the dictionary stupid! nah jp hahaha ur smart man. smarter then nothammertime.

photography. its a form of art.

the reason why people consder graffiti NOT art is because they only LOOK at graffiti. they dont even think. "hey...wtf is art neway. i bet its just something drawn on paper"

no u stupid twit. look at photography. its art. scuplture. its a fuckin work of art.

all alone. graffiti is NOT art. its vandalizm and you kno it.

but include every other art movement and way. yes. its a form of art.

alot of fuckin retard kids think art;s just pencils and papers but open ur mind a lil

[da_crazy_caucasian]

graffiti is NOT art. its vandalizm and you kno it.open ur mind a lil YOu contradict yourself, dumbass

[Scheme*119]

you wish you were a bombing science asshole

[da_crazy_caucasian]

Who are you?

[EasyLife]

For me, it's most deffinitly art. The vandalism just adds to it. i'm representing myself and how i view the world at the expense of others, while showing the world my style. the fact that i'm destroying something else in order to show off my own shit. well thats a lot of it, but it's what i'm showing off in the first place that i care about ya dig

[00-made-00]

Art is stuff you see in a gallery or at a legal wall.
Graffiti is everything else, writing on stuff thats not yours and things you dont have permission to write on.
Writing on stuff is never going to be art, you could paint the most beautiful piece ever at a trackside but its breaking the law so its not art, you break into a train yard and paint a piece not art vandalism.

[B.S. POLICE]

fuck Banksy! makes all this loot off graff and doesent give shit back to the culture taht made him and the kids taht keep it alive. fuck even marc ecko gave a ***** a lawyer!

[kid.two2er]

fuck if i wanted to be an artist i'd wear scarves year round, clothes from american apparell, toques too big for my head and i'd smoke cigs just to look cool. i could give less of a fuck if graffiti's not art, like sure, i like the art aspect, but i wouldnt be doing it if i wasnt going out wrecking shit

[Olick]

ok. im amazed and much stupidity people have on a website. i GARUNTEE more then half of you people dont even have a specific definition of art. from what im reading most of you think anything on paper is art. look at fuckin monuments or art scupltures u dumbasses.

so before you have a "argument" make sure you kno what the fuck your talking about.

please....define art.

art is communication, movement and evolution.


that is the most smart answer i ever heard.

if you dumbfucks open ur asshole youll know what im talking about.

fuck if i wanted to be an artist i'd wear scarves year round, clothes from american apparell, toques too big for my head and i'd smoke cigs just to look cool. i could give less of a fuck if graffiti's not art, like sure, i like the art aspect, but i wouldnt be doing it if i wasnt going out wrecking shit

your a good example of todays youth "culture" dont kno what your talking about.

and as for bansky. that guy is kickass. i dunno why the fuck you dont like him. prolly you just wanna "rep" ur "crew" full of 14 year old friends u met on the "Streets." or maybe you think graffiti is big ass block letters on a wall.

graffiti by definition is anything drawn, written, w/e on a wall.

bansky's art is a movement. hes proving that making something eyepleasing illegal should be taken note of in society. that fucker goes into museums and post's up his own work just for shits and giggles.

now before you all think im getting preachy up in the ass. do some fucking research. i honestly imagine alot of you dressed up in "graffiti" clothes and have bags full of otrs thinking its graff culture.

so as for is graffiti is art?

it depends on why the individual does it.

if its to get up, represent himself, yeah...i think its a little bit of art.

if your images have some meaning. yeah why not?

it just depends on the guy who does it.

some people just wanna be reckless and destroy shit. others wanna prove some hypocrisy.

just depends on why you do it. thiers no real answer

edit. i just reread and relize i cus as alot of you haha. sorry though. its not personal to no one but it just irritates me how dumb people can get.

[the redeemer]

ok. im amazed and much stupidity people have on a website. i GARUNTEE more then half of you people dont even have a specific definition of art. from what im reading most of you think anything on paper is art. look at fuckin monuments or art scupltures u dumbasses.

so before you have a "argument" make sure you kno what the fuck your talking about.

please....define art.



that is the most smart answer i ever heard.

if you dumbfucks open ur asshole youll know what im talking about.



your a good example of todays youth "culture" dont kno what your talking about.

and as for bansky. that guy is kickass. i dunno why the fuck you dont like him. prolly you just wanna "rep" ur "crew" full of 14 year old friends u met on the "Streets." or maybe you think graffiti is big ass block letters on a wall.

graffiti by definition is anything drawn, written, w/e on a wall.

bansky's art is a movement. hes proving that making something eyepleasing illegal should be taken note of in society. that fucker goes into museums and post's up his own work just for shits and giggles.

now before you all think im getting preachy up in the ass. do some fucking research. i honestly imagine alot of you dressed up in "graffiti" clothes and have bags full of otrs thinking its graff culture.

so as for is graffiti is art?

it depends on why the individual does it.

if its to get up, represent himself, yeah...i think its a little bit of art.

if your images have some meaning. yeah why not?

it just depends on the guy who does it.

some people just wanna be reckless and destroy shit. others wanna prove some hypocrisy.

just depends on why you do it. thiers no real answer

edit. i just reread and relize i cus as alot of you haha. sorry though. its not personal to no one but it just irritates me how dumb people can get.

this is exactly what weve ben fighting over. each individuals perspective of art. art has not concrete specific definition, it will always be argueable. thats what this thread is for

[smooth_nuts]

olcik about to bust a fucking nut o.O
it's just the introhnets,calm down guy...

[Olick]

im not ur guy, buddy.

[smooth_nuts]

im not your buddy,freind.

[Olick]

fuck you


:(

[Thrice]

I voted graffiti as art, because I think it contains artistic elements, and is a good portrayal of actual art. As picasso said art isn't decoration, but an offensive and defensive weapon against the system. At the same time it's more than art and has more to it, the expressions are far different than anything else. It's a toss up since so many writers are different, but yeah graffiti is graffiti, not just art, not just vandalism. meh, my ramblings and opinions.

[smooth_nuts]

fuck you


:(

but....
i loved you :(



















in a completely non homosexual way

[Olick]

but....
i loved you :(


















in a completely homosexual way

dude. gay mode.

good point man. i just think it depends on why the writer alone does it.

some kids just scribble shit on a wall for gang territory.

others wanna represent a symbol.

others just like the thril of wrecking shit.

[smooth_nuts]

editing what i said in quotes
what an asshole...ah well,as long as im not the asshole *wink,winks*

....oh and to stay on topic,i voted graffiti isn't art
no real reason why,just did

[Olick]

me to.

i just wanted to rebel and be cool yo.

i write cuz its fun and the thrill is sex.
then again stealing voting posters and writing ur name on them proves society is a big loose anal hypocrite.

[MiDnightSnitch]

yo ok this is my 2 cents listen up. i hope this will settle some of this shit but it probably wont.
its honestly is both. art is defined as a form of expression and what not.
graffiti (only the definition of the word) means vandalism and applying a
medium to a surface ILLEGALLY. when you combine the 2 you wind up with graffiti art.
look at saber. perfect example. dont just say hands down its not art thats not true.
people may say oh well what if its a scribble and someone calls it art? its really not
art if you didnt pour your heart and soul and blood into it. i speak for myself on this, i
believe what i do is art, i also think its vandalism. you cant deny the fact that were committing crimes.
but just because were committing crimes doing this art, that doesnt take away from fact that its art.

Slug45~AoT

[heymynameisjohnlawl]

kids in this thread, nah, kids on bombingscience altogether, just make me mad.
like "dude i love going out and wrecking shit ill die for garffiti blah blah blah i do it cause im depressed BLAH!" and all these dumb ass enem and saber quotes from kids that just watched infamy makes me fucking sick. 3/4 of these kids never even got out of there books and theyre talking about dying for graffiti. shits stupid.
but, to answer the topic. graffiti is a crime and some of it can be considered art. it all depends on whos making that decision.

[tha wite rabbit]

bombing=not art
piecing=art
i fuckin love bombin and gettin up, shits the best rush ive ever had, and you could consider bombing art only for really proggresed or progressive dudes, piecing is deff art tho

[MiDnightSnitch]

kids in this thread, nah, kids on bombingscience altogether, just make me mad.
like "dude i love going out and wrecking shit ill die for garffiti blah blah blah i do it cause im depressed BLAH!" and all these dumb ass enem and saber quotes from kids that just watched infamy makes me fucking sick. 3/4 of these kids never even got out of there books and theyre talking about dying for graffiti. shits stupid.
but, to answer the topic. graffiti is a crime and some of it can be considered art. it all depends on whos making that decision.

amen..

[GIZER N.O.]

the way i see it is that if u do something and its clean its art u do something and its sloppy its vandelism even bombs man i got buddys that throw up three different coloured throwies and they looks dope its not sloppy it looks like they no what there doing personly i love going out and just throwing handstyles around big drippy handstyles

[AoAssis]

yo ok this is my 2 cents listen up.

Once I saw your sig I stopped reading there.

[kill_fred]

writing is fun...who gives a fuck if its art or not just do it.thats my philosophy or whatever.

[MiDnightSnitch]

Once I saw your sig I stopped reading there.

way to stick to the topic.

[sketch3]

way to be awful at graiffti

[markingz.]

whoever says graffiti is'nt art needs to seriously get their head checked

[JudgeWizely]

This is my perspective on the "is graff art subject", it might not be logical or make sense but bear with me.

I believe that graff is art, from big pieces to little tags. The pieces are rather self explanitory, but as for tags/handstyles, whatever, I place them besides caligraphy which is a known art form.

I also believe that theres alot of hate for graff cause of the "political propoganda" that is surrouding it. Since the day the majority of us left the womb weve been bombarded with different types of advertising attempting to sell us shit we dont need. But as soon as any writers attempt to break the system and advertise in their own way it gets frownded upon. Graff (even etching/scratching) is heaps better than all that advertsing anyways

[woakone]

art is the product of human creativity weather that be for self gratification / expresion, to get a point across, to advertise, to tell a story, to comemorate, or simply to destroy shit...

graffiti is a creative act but the reason for which the 'artist' particitates in it is that persons own personal view and they have there own reasons for it.

in the same way graffiti is classed as a crime and it is vandalism of another persons property, beauty is as we know in the eye of the beholder, what you put up on the wall may be a masterpiece to you but the owner may not have the same view.


graffiti is a creative form of vandalism, as long as it is concidered a crime it will always fall into both catogorys. art and vandalism


i appologise for my terrible spellings.

[AvE-]

Tagging, piecing, ect. is definitely art. I don't write to destroy shit, and make people pay to clean it up, I write because there is nothing to look at without it. And it's damn fun. Without graffiti, a city is just brown bricks and grey cement.
Graffiti is art for sure.

(Gang graffiti is the exception, however.)

[alt]

i think art is any form of self expression, so yeah. graffiti is art. it may be vandalism but it's still expression. you can also look at it as calligraphy. or "performance art", b/c of the way it's made (illegally).

i have a pretty loose definition of art tho. i think anything that makes some sort of statement is "art", so for me, anything can be art depending on how u look at it.

legal graffiti is an oxymoron so that's not really an argument.

[Epoc]

I posted a intelligent response previously. But, the more I thought about it, I realized: who the fuck cares?
Not, like it makes a difference to anyone here.

[dh888]

I'd have to agree that tags really aren't art. Any real piece is art though. I think art is anything that takes effort and skill to produce and evokes emotion from those who view it.

[ReKoNe~!]

anything can be art, art doesnt become art because its positive or negative, it becomes art because its appealing so the person viewing it

[b SQUARED 08]

art is the product of human creativity weather that be for self gratification / expresion, to get a point across, to advertise, to tell a story, to comemorate, or simply to destroy shit...

graffiti is a creative act but the reason for which the 'artist' particitates in it is that persons own personal view and they have there own reasons for it.

in the same way graffiti is classed as a crime and it is vandalism of another persons property, beauty is as we know in the eye of the beholder, what you put up on the wall may be a masterpiece to you but the owner may not have the same view.


graffiti is a creative form of vandalism, as long as it is concidered a crime it will always fall into both catogorys. art and vandalism


i appologise for my terrible spellings.
This is pretty much word for word what I think about this topic. Well put :)

[JayAyDubZed]

Ofcrouse its fucking art.
If its something that is put there just for the pleasure of looking at it. Then yes, its art. No matter what property it destroys or how pissed off it makes people. Its there to be viewed and appreciated by some and hated by others. Its an art form that uses vandalism aswell.