Is Graffiti Art?

[smesta]

Yep that one sentence by Woak pretty much sums it up.

As for Tags or pieces I dont think it matters. It more comes down to the skill and style. Just the same way someone pissing on a canvas is not art. Some toy scribbling some shaky tag or some dripped out piece on a wall is not art.

Just because you pick up a can, paintbrush, marker, pencil or piece of coal does not make you an artist, it's what you create with it that defines whether it is art or not.

[FrEEk_nine-o-fizzle]

i think even a tag, or a bomb can be art... think about it this way...your a writer...you work endlessly the develop your tag and throw into somthing that looks good. year go into becoming a talented writer and we dont just focus on peices. i draw my throwie at least five times a day just to teweak and experiment with it. and i have whole pages in my blackbook just focusing on my hand style. i want to be a graffiti artist and a vandal. i want to be on both sides of the fence and you dont gain notice just from peicing. in fact without tags and bombs i dont thing most writers could peice

my 2 cents

[Wankerchops]

I hope graffiti isn't art coz I've heard all artists are rubberwrists.

[funhouseXcast]

Graffiti is definitely art.
it is also definitely vandalism, and most certainly illegal.
But that's what makes it almost a sport-like activity, where certain precautions need to be taken and certain things need to be overseen to be successful. If graffiti was legal, it wouldn't be as artistic. The people who do illegal graffiti do it because they have passion and a love for the art form. If everyone could do graffiti without consequence, the people who simply aren't meant to be artists wouldn't get the message that the graffiti community is NOT FOR PEOPLE WHO ABSOLUTELY BLOW. im not up in the ranks in the least, but what i do is artistic. it just pisses me off to see people who think a "fly handstyle" is when you add fucking fairy swirls to your regular handwriting, which looks like chicken scratch to begin with. My highschool is full of toys. I hate it.

[TrandomnesstwO]

Artistic vandalism.My final catogory.I like both.

[OOPS!]

If primitive stick figure cave drawings are art then graff is art. The thing is art doesn't have a solid definition.. music is art.. sculptures are art.. oragami is art.. it's just a matter of personal preference. But in my eyes anything that's physical and takes some kind of artistic skill is art.

[PeeInTheShower]

The thing is art doesn't have a solid definition.. music is art.. sculptures are art.. oragami is art...

this is what scares me. how people go around calling themselves artists using the term loosely. if i decide to call a bunch of cigarette butts in an ashtray with one still half burning art, then it's art. you take a picture of a pair of shoes drying in the sun on a clothesline, it could be art, if you want to call it art. some people will go around catching hands and throws on anything and blatantly admit "this isn't art i just wanna fuck shit up" and if they don't want to call it art, i guess it's not. who's the judge here?

[W_G_O_N_E]

vandalizing with art.

i spend hours perfecting my tags even. for me they are art... line art... but art none the less... a tag that flows n a tag thats toy... what the difference? skills. artistic ability.

i think the thread should of been ended right after this post couldn't of siad any simpler and better to me

[inker555]

So how many here have actually been busted for Grafitti? A couple bust just took place in New Orleans.

[S!K3_NAW]

i voted yes becuz graffiti is an art in mii mind..like at least wit me i put mii heart and soul into graffiti and i dont even like calling it that its art...i dont do it cuz i wanna distroy shyt i do it becuz i love it i love seeing my shyt up on web-sites and i love when thay destroy it and now i get to go do it again.and fuck tha web-sites to i love trying to see people match it..everything i draw paint or do has meaning behind it...and if mii shit looks like shit ill be tha first to say something...like its not jus another thing to do like soccer or collecting fuckin stamps i do it cuz its not apart of my life it is my life....


i hope no one gets offended but no disrespect i dnt give a fuck anyways

[inker555]

So if you got arrested and went to jail would you keep doing it when you got out?

[S!K3_NAW]

all honestly yeahh id keep doing it...i wont lie it has become so much apart of my life that even if i ended up in jail id jus go from walls and frieghts back to the basics while im incarcinated...but honestly tho ive been locked up and it isnt shit all you need to do is get smarter learn from your mistakes and get slicker.....

[inker555]

In answering the poll I said grafitti was not art. After rethinking grafitti is art. One of the biggest problems is it is normally done on someones property without permission. No matter what anyone thinks the world is not everones canvas. Like it or not. If you do it on your own canvas that you paid for then its art. If you spray it on my building then its grafitti and expect to get your ass kicked if I catch you doing it. Thats my take FWIW.

[S!K3_NAW]

but how you going to do graffiti and not apprechiate it...? regardless of how much you get around you cant really be hipacritical i guess...but its w.e if i owned a buisness to be honest i wouldnt giv a fuck if thay did shitt on mii building as long as thay didnt suck i guess..

[inker555]

I guess that would all depend on what kind of business you owned. If it was a skate board or tatoo shop then ya, it might even draw more business in. If it was most other things customers would not shop at your business. Then you would probably be pissed off cause you would be loosing business.

[Queezy]

Graffiti is definitely an art form, but like the above posts it's done on private/public spaces where the owner of the property don't like it 99% of the time. Most places are required to take it off in a certain time period if said by the landlord in contract, which is why heavens are a thing of beauty because if it's a concrete wall or or something unreachable owned by the government they won't remove it 99% of the time cause they aren't liable/required to remove it. And I got snitched and only received a ticket because lack of evidence but If I went to jail I would for sure keep doing it because at this point I'm dedicated and it's becoming a lifestyle. I want the phonies to get wrapped up because it will weed out the less dedicated, more beef having, punk bitches that talk shit behind backs/snitch and are outright lame.

[blashe]

you're asking if graffiti is an art in a graffiti forum on a graffiti website?
isn't it kind of obvious what kinds of answers you're going to get?

[Flawless Victory]

I don't think that graffiti is an art.
I think that art can be influenced by graffiti,
but graffiti is something written illegally on a public surface.

[EST2007]

so the location and legality determines if something is art? thats rubbish.

for example, take mt. rushmore. most people would consider that art, no? but what most people don't realize is that the plot of land was illegally seized by the US gov't from the Lakota natives. so in the eyes of the natives, it was illegally constructed on THEIR land.

discuss...

[Flawless Victory]

No no no, sir,
I'm not saying that art can't be created by means of graffiti.
I'm saying that graffiti, straight up, in it's purist form, is not art.

[EST2007]

graffiti, in it's purest form, of course is art.

take a handstyle on a brick building for example. by looking at the flairs and whips of the letters, you can derive the emotion, feeling and motive of the writer. Art, in it's simplest definition, is a creative representation of an emotion or a collection of emotions, regardless of the medium.

[Flawless Victory]

So would you consider a dick or a swazi or '7 mile bloods' art?

[EST2007]

Actually, yes, i would consider those art (altough i am not familiar with 7 mile blood, so i cannot comment on that example).

The way I see it, it doesnt have to be the most creative way of expression, or the most complex emotion being portrayed, but rather any emotion being expressed in any creative way is art. that being said, a single line on a blank canvas or wall is art

[Flawless Victory]

I honestly think that any definition or description of art is unacceptable,
because of how subjective and opinionated art is.

[EST2007]

furthermore, just becasue you don't consider something art, doesnt mean the next person to experience it thinks the same.

doesnt the saying go... "one man's trash is another man's treasure" i think this saying fits this example nicely

[Flawless Victory]

That's what I'm saying.
In a way EVERYTHING is art,
and NOTHING is art at the same time.
So giving it a definition at all would be redundant.

I think a more appropriate question would be "DO YOU THINK that graffiti is art?",
answering whether or not graffiti is in fact art, or anything else is art for that matter, is impossible.

[EST2007]

I honestly think that any definition or description of art is unacceptable,
because of how subjective and opinionated art is.

that being said, one cannot say something is not art, therefore everything is art.



wow that was werid, i was typing this up when u posted ur last msg

[Flawless Victory]

hive mind.

[EST2007]

well i guess in a way we have both reached some kind of common ground. you are a good debator. one could even say you are a master debator. ahahahaha

[Flawless Victory]

As are you sir,
I tip my hat at you.

[Sanguine]

Graffiti is art and vandalism. It's both.
Someone can sneeze on fucking paper and to them that's art. It really all depends on your definition of art and what form of graffiti you're talking about. Some people may not want to be associated with that 'artfag' crowd and deny graff's credibility as art but all I've got to say is boo fucking hoo. graff to me is art on places a lot of people don't want it to be on thus making it vandalism too.

[daoist]

Graffiti is an art, all the way from that tag which most outside observers view as trash, to the elaborate pieces on walls. Art is expression. Even though something may look ugly, it is still art because the creator shows his personality and view of the world onto an object. The fact that people think a tag or a throw up is ugly or disgusting in itself has proved that it is art, if you think that art needs to necessarily look good to be called art, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about and need to get the fuck out of here.

If you go down the street and see a throwup on a building it evokes a response , and so does a piece.

They do it differently, but they are ultimately the same.

[S!K3_NAW]

tagging is caligraphy and pieces are are actual art set to the mind it takes time and devotion you have to get creative and you need heart otherwise its a waste of time

[inker555]

You might think its art but if you get caught doing it on someones building then you go straight to jail, no pass go. Thats the way its been working in New Orleans anyway. I bet youd be hard pressed to find a cop or judge that considers it art.

[CoronaOne]

well....im no art critic but....idk wtf im talking about.....lol:p

[CoronaOne]

It can be both....i guess......

[Inlyn08]

Art can be anything..
So yes, Graff is art. If people can make "Art" from god damn macaroni pieces..
Then someone getting down and laying their work on a surface be it a highway, wall.. tunnel.. you name it.

It's art.
In my opinion. And mostly.. there is some "Fame" linked in with it, but.. I know when I see some burners I give them credit for the time spent and how clean it came out.
The "Forbidden Art."

[massacreman]

i always tell people graffiti is the art of vandalism

[inker555]

massacreman, Very well said. Lately I have been seeing more and more tags in restrooms such as burger kings and other places. People lately have had enough and they are willing to do something about it. In new orleans anyway.

[CrAzOnEr!]

it take me hours to come up with a piece to tag.

[inker555]

So a few here said if you got caught by the cops you would continue to do grafitti. Howabout if you got caught by a building owner and really got your ass kicked really bad. Would you still do it? And take the chance of getting your stupid ass kicked again and again?

[Mean Mr.Mustard]

could anything called BOMBING be art?

[fromthegrave]

if its illegal its not art, its vandalism=graffiti
if it is legal it is art= aerosol art

edit: stylized thought out vandalism*

[Inlyn08]

Legality doesn't necessarily make something "Art."
It's based solely on the fact that it's Graff. There have been places that have had "Phantom Painters" that no one directly stated it being anything outside "Art." They in turn, left it there as a testament to the artist. People view Graff as offensive, gang related.. and a bunch of other shit that isn't the case.

I still say it's art, because it requires artistic abilitiy.. creativity.. amongst other things to be able to actually make something that doesn't look like you dipped your nuts in a paint bucket and smeared them on a wall.

I don't know..

[<[(Smokers187¤GS¤WM)]>]

I agree wit geebuz throw ups n handstylez aren't really art but 2 me, as a graffiti writer, I think some may be buetiful even some toyish stuff sumtimes surprises me kuz they have sum sort of flavor that makes me appreciate lettering

And in the other cases pieces can go either way kuz some can be effin good that rock my sox but I dnt consider them art but like 3D n shit, that's like the only thing I consider art even tho I can't do it, I respect it enuff 2 understand that thatz the only form of art...oh and sum really good characterz so I ddnt really vote kuz I dnt no wat 2 say 4 sure haha piece

[<[(Smokers187¤GS¤WM)]>]

Skrew it I say no

Oh ya n it duznt matter if its legal or not, kuz if u look @ like Augor, Saber, n ppl from MSK that get down illegally n the stuff they fo is amazing pieces of work because they interact wit the stuff they write on especially Augs I give mad props 2 him but @ the end of the day its still GRAFFITI!!! Its not called illegal art I'm kinda talkin outta my ass here but duznt graffiti mean like defacing sumones property or sumthin like that sorry I dnt feel like lookin it up but ya n even if it is legal it can still suck ass so its not art n even if it is good its still not art kuz the intention 2 write thoz letterz is 2 desteoy shit or jusyt get rep it was never really "I wana be an artist wit this" even if u said it n everything that duznt meant its wat u intended.

[jerm_haf]

It is art. It's illegal and there's no way around that, but its still art. And like all forms of art, there's art that people like and art that people dont like. Sure there's toys who go out and throw something up that gives graffiti artists a bad name, but there's also the rest of the artists who can do something that'll make you stop and look in amazement. The intention for graffiti isnt always destruction either. For example, Banksy. He uses his graffiti to send a message to the world. Artists like 123Klan have actually used their graffiti as a way to get famous. They're graphic designers in France and work internationally, getting paid to do graffiti for the sake of promotion

[<[(Smokers187¤GS¤WM)]>]

Ya but thoz ppl are GRAPHIC DESIGNERS not graffiti artist I mean sure they can go out n do a piece or a throw up or watever but their job title is graphic designer so they do it 4 money n b4 they were "famous" I bet they wernt really thinkin about money kuz they were probly just kids tryin 2 get some rep and/or destroy shit

And banksy ya he gets a message across but he could have just kept it in a art show or sumthin he didn't have 2 go out n paint it on some public/private property but he's a "graffiti artist" so he does it illegaly because his writer instincts ya know wat I mean?

[Spark391]

I think that graffiti is art and vandalism. Both of them.. All graffiti isn't art and all graffiti isn't 100% vandalism. As in any other craft there are masters, in graffiti - masters of style. Those guys i consider artists. But a random ass toy with a sloppy style isn't a artist. Or if you wish to call him that way, he's a very fucking bad artist. It takes a really long jurney to master something, so I think that it's total bs, if some toys come out and write "art aint a crime" type of crap, you aint greating no damn art lil boy. One guy hit up my whole neighbourhood with "art aint a crime, underlined.. 2008" like wtfs.

And yes I think that most artistic graffiti is illegal. In some cases the environment is that thing that makes that stuff be art.. It isn't just canvases/ legal pretty pieces that should be called art.. If you go to a street, you might see a fucking dope handstyle/ throwup, that's just done in seconds that I would consider art. If that writer has got some serious skills, then it looks powerful as hell. It has just that "BOOOOM" effect, in your face, and there's nothing you can do about it.. every letter in that tag has a life, has a flow, has some power. If you would take away that stuff that I like to call raw shit, from graffiti, I think it would be a lot more boring. Sure I dig burners, pieces, murals, canvas work etc. everything, if it has got some STYLE.. but it's definetely harder to push your stuff as powerful on a limited surface (canvase in this case)

Look where it started, and look where it has gone now.. people all over the world rock some really crazy ass stuff.

I would also like to say that, the term "art" is very personal.. I think that that word hasn't have a clear definition. It's one of those topics where philosophers can go nuts and talk about it for hours and hours I think lol:d

Ofcourse I think writers don't start writing in the name of "creating art" .. It's just writing, bombing, developing your style. It isn't a thing like "I want to be taken serious by those art critiques" .. no one dosen't care what other people outside of that community will think about it, even oppinions by other people in that art world. Graffiti is an art form from writers to other writers..

[inpho_211]

Graffiti
http://www.lsf-lau.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/schools-graffiti.jpg
Art
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sSgHBr1z8K4/SoxF9ujzH_I/AAAAAAAAACo/2T9nZGnYgkc/s400/starrynight.gif

art an graffiti r two totally different things..
get ur shit straight..

[<[(Smokers187¤GS¤WM)]>]

^Haha 4realz^

[CrustOner]

Graffiti
http://www.lsf-lau.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/schools-graffiti.jpg
Art
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sSgHBr1z8K4/SoxF9ujzH_I/AAAAAAAAACo/2T9nZGnYgkc/s400/starrynight.gif

art an graffiti r two totally different things..
get ur shit straight..

The top isn't graffiti.
This is graffiti. and Art.
http://i49.tinypic.com/23m0ahz.jpg
A lot of so called "artists" these days can't do things like this with a brush, much less a can of spray paint. Regardless of how destructive it is, it is still expression, therefore art.

Throws and handstyles are art as well. They require skill and style, two things required in art. A mural, no matter what it's on, is considered art. So why not consider graffiti art?

tl;dr, it's art.

[<[(Smokers187¤GS¤WM)]>]

Idk dood I still say its not art, it can be beautiful but its not actual art its not meant 2 be in an art show like wild animals dnt belong in the zoo 4 just our entertainment they should be free, free 2 get eaten(buffed) free 2 fight 4 power(beef) free 2 hunt anything they want n take it 4 themselves(stride 2 be a king).
graffit I guess u can say is a "form" of art because of the reason ur saying 'expression', but then again u dnt call some guy who's crying or laughin an artist but he is expressing himself too wat about that man..n ya it duz take skill 2 do graff (good graff @least) but it takes skill 2 pass a test or pee in the bowl without hittin the seat but in reality it duznt matter if u got skill or not its a form of art not actual art..but it can be just as beautiful n make u think in ways art could

[provinT13]

It's both art and vandalism. I don't see tags as art, but it can be, I just don't see them as appealing art. Piecing however is art no matter where it's done. I guess I'm in the middle. It's all art, but some of it is more vandalism then art.

[DukeOne]

>;1556376']
graffit I guess u can say is a "form" of art because of the reason ur saying 'expression', but then again u dnt call some guy who's crying or laughin an artist but he is expressing himself too wat about that man

lol i don’t think that to be true actually, ive seen many paintings, photos, and art videos of nothing more than people laughing or crying. The more you start analyzing anything particularly art, the more u realizing how undefined they really are. I think graffiti can be art, and cannot be, based on the intent of the maker and the impression made from the viewer. Anything can be art, it's just how well you market it.

[<[(Smokers187¤GS¤WM)]>]

I feel like I've said 2 much n I honestly dnt feel like anylyzing everything I wrote kuz I kinda forgot wat I said but Duke got a good point that I forgot the whole crying n laughin thing I guess that could be incorporated in2 it but ya I'm out of stuff 2 say... 4 now lol (off 2 skool)

[inpho_211]

so this is art??
http://static.flickr.com/112/296304503_6eae712317.jpg

this might pass..
http://bayhiphop.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/macdremural_eastoakland.jpg

but not this..
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GeUoqt1lLXY/STxVG7FExBI/AAAAAAAAElg/JQeOvzoQgyI/s400/recent-bimg_24015.jpg

[<[(Smokers187¤GS¤WM)]>]

Thanx^ that's wat I'm sayin

[inpho_211]

pussies just wanna say that there doin art..Motherfuckers just face it..its against tha law for a reason..
it started as vandalism an to me will remain as pretty vandalism..

[<[(Smokers187¤GS¤WM)]>]

4realz exactly badass vandalism, but vandalism nonetheless
(Haha I always wanted 2 use nonetheless in a sentance) lol

[zaco]

sometimes its art, if thats ur intention

[inpho_211]

nope..its vandalism..

[blashe]

why would you ask if graffiti is art on a graffiti art website?

[inpho_211]

thats tha topic..i didn't ask..i know graffiti ain't any form of art..if its art..then its literature??

[lakim shabazz]

nope..its vandalism..

its still an artform its like saying is bboying dance?
is turntableism music?
they still follow the basic outline of there originators but with a new way of looking at it and with a different approach
but yah heads can surgar coat graff all they want its still vandals adn theifs smashhhhing hard but smasshing with expression.
graffiti is the new art movment in this post modernist world.

[<[(Smokers187¤GS¤WM)]>]

^that my man is hip hop^

Of course we see it as art, since we do it, n of course u can have thoz select few of people who dnt do graff but consider it art but @ the end of the day...u no wat fuck it I'm tired of arguing sumone else finish here lol

[blackpeople]

i think all graffiti is art.....well i can see where you are coming from like throw ups and handstyles are not art tho.... those are strickly for the graffiti artest and getting up and making a name for them selves so they can get to the art level and get paid for it

[downunder]

so this is art??
http://static.flickr.com/112/296304503_6eae712317.jpg

this might pass..
http://bayhiphop.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/macdremural_eastoakland.jpg

but not this..
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GeUoqt1lLXY/STxVG7FExBI/AAAAAAAAElg/JQeOvzoQgyI/s400/recent-bimg_24015.jpg

Who the fuck are you to judge what's art and what's not? Art is self expression, just because you may not like something doesn't mean it's not art. Hell, 99% of people can dislike something and it will still be art.

[CrustOner]

>;1557848']^that my man is hip hop^

Of course we see it as art, since we do it, n of course u can have thoz select few of people who dnt do graff but consider it art but @ the end of the day...u no wat fuck it I'm tired of arguing sumone else finish here lol

Graffiti is one of the spectrums of hip hop culture.
It's art. If I can call abstract splashes of color on a canvas art, I can call a throwup art. I can call a handstyle art.

It doesn't matter your canvas. It's done for creative destruction (as oxymoronic as that sounds). We destroy to create.

[lakim shabazz]

how can oyu say handies arent art shity handstyle= shitty artist.

[FUS]

you cant just choose which graffiti is art. Its either all art or not atall, if you think a beautiful piece is art, then the crappy little scrawls on all the lamp posts have to be accepted as art too. Maybe it is crappy art but it is art none the less, as the giant piece is essentially just another piece of graffiti.

the whole topic asks what is art? i mean i fuckin hate most of it, some guy comes and paints a canvas all blue and gets it put up in a gallery. alot of it may not be considered artistic atall, but the art is in the process, what brought them to do it and the arts motives. I know alot of graffiti doesnt have meaning, and alot of people writing have no intention of creating art they just wana get their name up...

But the process of graffiti on a whole has to be considered art if you think atleast one piece of graffiti is art worthy.

theres so much more i wana say but i hate writing... anyways its art in my opinion, and theres way worse shit out there which i dont think deserve to be called art half as much as graffiti does

[supaskunkk]

no no no no no yea no yea no yea yea yea

[SAID]

skunk, your fucking annoying.

[Sator!]

FUS is right.

[Flawless Victory]

Graffiti isn't art,
but art can be graffiti.


/thread... again.

[cesspool]

yeah i'm a vandal

[SAID]

pwnage

[leg-e-leg]

i dont understand how graff cant be art? by definition, even the most crude, sloppy tag is art. Sure, it may not be a Monet painting, but it still holds some merit in my eyes.

What Cornbread was doing in the late 60s and 70s, could arguably be looked as avant garde art. Sure, the laws of US stated that what he was doing and what followers would go on to do as vandalism, but it still doesnt take away the artistic element to it. Sure, it was just his name he was scribbling to get a girls attention, but thats one of the most simplistic forms of a so called 'love-letter'.

just because something is deemed vandalism, doesnt mean it destroys the artistic aspect of the said 'piece of art'

[streetology973]

put it simply it depends on who's seeing it if you et 50 people and ask them 25 will say its art and 25 will say no it's all opinion because you can give a million reasons why and theres always a contradiction vise versa so you guy's argue its not getting you anywere toy's shouldnt be allowed in this forum because they know no history so toys opinions dont matter so toy's just listen and learn. This is for everybody with 5 or more years. DeseOner 2W and im out goodnight

[HATER666]

i think its art, just on a different level. i mean if that jackson pollacks piece of shit "blue poles" is then i dont see why bright coloured pieces aren't art.
I still think its vandalism, don't get me wrong, but maybe thats what makes it "art".
sure toy shit looks whack and no one likes it, but almost every decent writer i know has great drawing skills.
each to their own in the end, i hate heaps of shit i see in art galleries, some i like. It's the same with graff

[SHER_WON_WTS]

just because it's labeled as vandalism (and yes i know it's vandelism, iv been caught twice) doesn't mean it's not art. I have seen galleries of large canvases with nothing but one color scribbles and the artist claims it portrays angst, and raw power. But the reason i think those kind of artist dont see tagging as art, is becuase we do it for cheaper. My tag portrays much more then just raw power. it states! it destroys! It breaths more creation. But if you dont see it as art, thats cool, just keep writing, cuz i do. and i'll always stop to admire it.

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[nobody important]

graffiti is better than art.
art could never be as good as graffiti.

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