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Norfsuthr
02-28-2012, 06:28 PM
Yea find a new K brother. Gotta say it's lookin proper otherwise. Maybe straighten up the left leg of the N a bit, and the E and D could both use a little more creativity.

7thIncision
02-29-2012, 09:21 AM
@MN Nice - man I'm loving that throwie style, but the drop-shadow around the bottom circle on the exclamation point's a little fucked.
@Mildstyles - The D doesn't match, i think the bar size is fine just even it up a bit. But you need something that's going to fill up more black space inside that D.

Here's one of my pen hollows. Goin' back to some simps.
56218

killroywashere
02-29-2012, 10:27 AM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7177/6795257820_317229b89e.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/76420947@N05/6795257820/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7209/6941371647_79ba11386f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/76420947@N05/6941371647/)

@mildstyle - try the the extension on the lower left part of the N. maybe throw that swirl in the D in the A

GortGort
02-29-2012, 02:34 PM
crits started not long ago.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dethbycattle/IMAG0097.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dethbycattle/IMAG0086.jpg

notmikegiant
02-29-2012, 06:56 PM
@ kilroy - I would like to see the S a little bit bigger, especially in the first pic it seems a little small compared to the rest.

@ Gort - I dig repeating the letters in the second, but I would try some different G's and see how you can change it up


56302

rip me apart - I've got an "idea" of what works and what doesn't so specifics are truly appreciated.

Mildstyles
02-29-2012, 07:10 PM
Not mike giant where about do you live

notmikegiant
02-29-2012, 07:22 PM
^ PM'd you

MiDo93
02-29-2012, 07:46 PM
@notmikegiant - The S is alright, the second letter cant make it out (it looks like either a "P" or and a lower case "e"), the E looks a little weird, and the for the X the top and bottom need to be a little closer together.

56308
56309
Crits?

notmikegiant
02-29-2012, 08:05 PM
did a really terrible job on the P, I was pretty disappointed with that. your glows are really clean, i'm not understanding that last letter. and keep it up if you want, but as is it looks really off with that dot on the end.


edit - i'm a dumbass, I would blow up that O

Mildstyles
02-29-2012, 08:07 PM
ewww Mido that poor thing under your second throw :( </3

MiDo93
02-29-2012, 08:38 PM
i know, the cdc piece under the last throwie was dissed beyond belief. i would never do that to a cdc piece without shit all over it

sadgeh
03-01-2012, 12:20 PM
Mido - Make that O bigger way bigger.
Notmikegiant - Keep it off the wall, just sketch.
Killroy - dope

56370
56371

And some one-liners
56372

Mildstyles
03-01-2012, 01:17 PM
Why the hell did i just walk through a damn snowstorm for this.
Crits?
Too tired to crit anyone elses right meow ill edit this later when i feel like it.
56382

NouveauP
03-01-2012, 02:42 PM
Looks good, NAKED. The E and D seem to be taller than the other 3 letters, but nothing major.

quick backwards two letter at a chill spot.
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo20/NouveauP/IMG_0509.jpg

Mildstyles
03-01-2012, 02:56 PM
You really like going backwards huh? Haha, that 2 letter is looking nice^. The only thing I see is the left leg of the K the part above the ball on the bottom coulda been bigger, idk that part just looks a little weird. But thats all i can see, otherwise that thing is beautiful! And dont worry im sending my piece in a little bit, So just make sure you're on before the deadline so we dont get disqualified :p

lostyoursense
03-01-2012, 03:07 PM
I,like the throw mild

H1P30N3R
03-01-2012, 04:45 PM
nice toss naked and 2 letter nouv...the rest of you cats get back to the drawing board

sadgeh
03-01-2012, 04:58 PM
56370
56371

And some one-liners
56372

Bottom page bump and some crits would be nice.

H1P30N3R
03-01-2012, 10:43 PM
http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb409/heyzues07/IMG_20120301_230313.jpg

NouveauP
03-02-2012, 02:22 AM
Pesoe- Your bars just look kinda clunky. Just work on your consistency and line work.

I'm trying to make this look like an old school NY throw. Dunno if I achieved that or not.

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo20/NouveauP/IMG_0517.jpg

Zookyook
03-02-2012, 11:18 AM
that K is dope... looks more simpy than throwy though yanno?
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7178/6889645193_a9436e5554_z.jpg

NouveauP
03-02-2012, 11:26 AM
I thought the K looked more like a simp too, trying to find a way to simplify my bottom right bar. But the funny thing is that the K was done with one line and was the only letter I could've left as a hollow and it still be clean. Check the slightly darker blues where I had to resketch the letters. None in the K. lol. But yeah I'm trying to fix it up so it flows better with the other letters. Kinda bit hipsterpunks on that one anyway.

I like your style unik, it has a lot of potential. it just seems like you rush these throws and some of your forms get sloppy. Most apparent in the red throwie's K. The bottom is shifted to the right really far. And the N is just kinda wild. Wouldn't really guess it was an N had it not been for your handy. But keep em comin, I like your shit.

Zookyook
03-02-2012, 11:36 AM
lol it isnt an N its an M... umik.... im still workin on the hands i can see why ud think it was an N... and i say throws are supposed to be fast n sloppy, i think when they look like rubber stamps it gets annoying, i like tweaking little parts of the letters based on how fast im doing it or how im holding the can or marker... its like comparing augors throwups to copes, u could say copes are way cleaner but augors are way more free and sloppy, i think they have more style... to each his own

but yea u should think of a different K to use for a nice quick throwy, maybe a oneliner even... cuz that K is real clean and itd give u a perfect starting point to laying down a clean outline for a simp that u could potentially do a lot faster.... shit mayn id rather be able to lay down a simp than a throw if they took the same amount of time fo shooooo lol..... but yea any throw shouldnt take more than 15 seconds to lay down the outline... if ya ask me

Phat 2
03-02-2012, 06:51 PM
bring the nemor tosses back asshole. fuck umik.

klaus. diggin it minus the U

MoganOne
03-02-2012, 07:23 PM
I think u can come up with a better "K" and "M" but It's a fresh Name to work with

Lado
03-03-2012, 01:30 AM
56495
56496

IbuprofenTablets
03-03-2012, 10:12 AM
Pesoe- Your bars just look kinda clunky. Just work on your consistency and line work.

I'm trying to make this look like an old school NY throw. Dunno if I achieved that or not.

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo20/NouveauP/IMG_0517.jpg


Nice, man. And yeah, you landed it. Reminds me of some 90's Ny graff (Ja, Kez5) with a west coast twist.

The top left of your U is a bit thin, though.

Phat 2
03-03-2012, 12:57 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/430253_391331834227065_100000507545549_1436893_128 1718032_n.jpg

crit it

MN Nice
03-03-2012, 02:28 PM
Much better.

dankbudz
03-03-2012, 04:01 PM
i don't like that N/O thing you got going on..

Dossbog
03-03-2012, 07:02 PM
56546
Pac Man Scheme I tried out on my door

notmikegiant
03-03-2012, 10:51 PM
like the idea, not really feeling the execution. could just be me but the drop shadow looks off, it doesnt look shifted it looks too small

SiteGraff
03-04-2012, 10:25 AM
dope stuff guys, gonna try and upload some of mine soon. stay up!

Silon295
03-04-2012, 12:37 PM
Pesoe- Your bars just look kinda clunky. Just work on your consistency and line work.

I'm trying to make this look like an old school NY throw. Dunno if I achieved that or not.

http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo20/NouveauP/IMG_0517.jpg

still aint there yet. still looks west coasty

after
03-04-2012, 04:44 PM
56859 crites plz

Phat 2
03-04-2012, 04:45 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/430253_391331834227065_100000507545549_1436893_128 1718032_n.jpg

crit it

bump for mo critters

Asis13
03-04-2012, 05:02 PM
568705687156872

keenDSK
03-04-2012, 09:45 PM
@phat, looks like a good throwie too me, mess around with M a little is all i can say.
@asis, just keep practicing man, it all needs work though ill tell you that.

cooldawg
03-05-2012, 01:46 AM
phat throwies dope but m isnt in proportion to the rest of it, too short

notmikegiant
03-05-2012, 03:55 AM
feel like im getting some stuff to work out a little more. crits are definitely appreciated.

56912

Dossbog
03-05-2012, 10:11 AM
Yeah the 3d is also messed up because I had painted something else under it using a black fill :/

Mori
03-05-2012, 03:28 PM
57004 toss with a more complicated fill

sadgeh
03-05-2012, 04:48 PM
MOR - That green and purple its dope but its not the best match, white as outline would be better imo

GortGort
03-05-2012, 06:00 PM
changed up the g slightly crit away
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dethbycattle/IMAG0108.jpg

after
03-06-2012, 09:11 AM
56859 crites plz bump for some crites

Panic519
03-06-2012, 09:22 AM
Spex try an X with less spacing
Mori looks good but a whole in the R would look better I think
Gort your G looks like a weird E or something

Here is an older one
57092

Ojuyn3
03-06-2012, 05:59 PM
57202

Mori
03-06-2012, 06:29 PM
Dope^

Ramsta726
03-06-2012, 08:05 PM
Hello,i'm new here
im ramsta from Jakarta,indonesia
57266
57267
Respect bro!

killroywashere
03-06-2012, 08:47 PM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7181/6814500950_2204652a94.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/76420947@N05/6814500950/)

MN Nice
03-06-2012, 10:36 PM
Bump that ramsta!

not happy about this. go ahead and flame.

57315

dankbudz
03-06-2012, 10:54 PM
do it bigger, holmes

kwu
03-07-2012, 12:48 AM
yee muse go bigger it'll flow butter

some scribbles
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7183/6961035937_3015a22669_z.jpg

notmikegiant
03-07-2012, 02:42 AM
been up all night writing some really lame shit, trying to get that X figured out without it looking like an H. can't tell if using a lower case E makes the P look weird. crits always appreciated, and if anyone wants to try their hand at a toss that would be cool too. wouldn't hurt to see someone elses take on it.

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@ rams - that first picture looks so clean, like that mellow blue glow.

@ kwu - your scribbles make my nights spent practicing seem like crap, digging the M on the right one and the A's all around

@ mori - that fill in looks awesome, real creative

rollfatblunts
03-07-2012, 07:21 AM
spex try an x with less spacing
mori looks good but a whole in the r would look better i think
gort your g looks like a weird e or something

here is an older one
57092

learn your facts toy! 57352

rollfatblunts
03-07-2012, 07:25 AM
57353e5735457355

cant find a rolly thread so ill throw it up on here

5735657357

Panic519
03-07-2012, 08:47 AM
Spex - try to make the x a lil more simple. Here are a few examples try biting one then tweaking it if u want.
57360

Some - I don't like your O with the stick coming off the top. It matches the other letters but still looks weird

MN Nice
03-08-2012, 02:28 PM
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/skier46/muesthrow.jpg

the circle around my tag looks like a splash.

rollfatblunts
03-09-2012, 01:55 PM
Yeah I see, I don't write some no more btw, way better one in mtl

RaWs3kz
03-09-2012, 03:15 PM
57576575775757857579575805758157582

RaWs3kz
03-09-2012, 03:19 PM
57004 toss with a more complicated fill mori im really feelin the fill...the black and purple are dope..u prob should have used that light pink from fill nd outlined the whole outter ya kno ? juss my opinion... props tho

Kinger79
03-09-2012, 07:27 PM
57647

my old throwie. looks like shit huh? i dont scratch king btw. its kinger.

Kinger79
03-09-2012, 07:29 PM
nice D

Panic519
03-09-2012, 10:03 PM
Those letters are wack. Is it king kinh or kinr.
Don't make the letters sound round. Work on paportions and pick a new name

GortGort
03-11-2012, 02:54 PM
think i might have it now let me know
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dethbycattle/IMAG0112.jpg

MN Nice
03-11-2012, 02:56 PM
Ay sekz work on your spacing and sizing for your throws.

emace1
03-11-2012, 07:08 PM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7042/6826705476_23ebfc98dc.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/spacehoes/6826705476/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/spacehoes/6826705476/) by sirduke! (http://www.flickr.com/people/spacehoes/), on Flickr
GENO O kinda looks like a b...not giving fucks

dreg
03-12-2012, 04:39 PM
58006

Crits please. Been a while. Got busted with this name about 6 months ago, gunna bring it out of retirement soon.

dankbudz
03-12-2012, 08:29 PM
geno- would look aight if you fixed it! haha. props on getting up tho
dreg- scrap that, go simpler...


messing around with a new name
would like some solid crits on this, on the SELDO, i know the right side of the M is fucked tho. fuck the M

NouveauP
03-13-2012, 02:43 AM
Got some potential dank, keep at it. D is lookin rough. S could be defined more. But not bad.
dreg- looks like your forcing style. start as simple as possible.
emace- I like the GE, but ehh on the rest.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7037/6978589141_6c8fbf2b9c_z.jpg

AstoK
03-13-2012, 04:53 AM
day-time bombing, not such a quiet area, had to run a little bit.
58101

STOXY
03-14-2012, 01:38 PM
58215
crits?

AXILY
03-14-2012, 07:12 PM
58305
Thinking of putting it to a wall but it will be to hard for a toy like me :P

Mori
03-14-2012, 09:23 PM
Fuck you^
58359

Norfsuthr
03-14-2012, 09:53 PM
^nice A

Axily you need to just delete your account and give up. I can tell just from that you're never gonna be shit.

ven0m
03-14-2012, 09:57 PM
hsss... thats gonna leave a sting

saveme
03-14-2012, 09:57 PM
quick shit i drew love to here coments good n bad thats what makes us better5836358363

58365

sry it posted so many

Mori
03-14-2012, 10:30 PM
bottom page bump58371

snoketg
03-14-2012, 10:33 PM
58367
quick new throwie, can i get some crits?

make the o wider and that will look fresh as fuck mori

and a little taller

kwu
03-14-2012, 10:41 PM
Pretty sure that's an a
and rev, the over lap should flow throughout so don't have the left leg over lap the right leg in the r. The e needs work, and the v is alright I can dig it

snoketg
03-14-2012, 10:43 PM
ok, make that A bigger then.

AstoK
03-14-2012, 10:49 PM
crits on this?
58101

mori your throw is fresh,
axily; give up
save me; no one can save you..
rev; getting there, unless you think you write revok, then your a gug and you can die..

Phillip McDougall
03-15-2012, 10:26 AM
http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/corruptcops/19345166326/1/tumblr_m0xmb5NHeB1qcqap2
http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/corruptcops/19345179408/1/tumblr_m0xmc028xP1qcqap2

stock caps...

dreg
03-15-2012, 11:21 AM
I like everything but the R ^ Those are some wide stocks!

58400

Crits please, Trying to just go more simple.

E: gah, fuck this, it keeps loading in upside down.

Norfsuthr
03-15-2012, 11:33 AM
No^.

That R is dope. Only thing that dont give me a boner is the S.

Phillip McDougall
03-15-2012, 11:34 AM
Yeah it's not my usual R... I don't know where the fuck this one came from. and the chrome was a can of Rusto Bright Coat, with a female valve and an "easy spray" nozzle for wider coverage... it's for sheet metal and shit. And I didn't have any other female caps haha. definitely need to invest in a cap adapter, all Rusto is female valve now...

verty
03-16-2012, 07:40 AM
That 3rd one looks ok, not a throw but its good compared to your other shit. On the top 2 you're doing bubble styles for the ER but bar type ish on the VT, conform that shit. Look at some throws on flickr or something, usually they're 1 or 2 lines per letter, just go with that for now and keep the whole thing simple. btw I've only ever seen 3 guys who can rock a shine in their throws and not look like trash.



That 3rd one looks ok, not a throw but its good compared to your other shit. On the top 2 you're doing bubble styles for the ER but bar type ish on the VT, conform that shit. Look at some throws on flickr or something, usually they're 1 or 2 lines per letter, just go with that for now and keep the whole thing simple. btw I've only ever seen 3 guys who can rock a shine in their throws and not look like trash.

Thanks for the feedback guys, much.

Anyway im still keeping at it, looking at heaps of Pieces on here and everywhere else.

Latest attached, I think personally im getting better but still have a long way to go...
thoughts and suggestions?

58540

ven0m
03-16-2012, 09:24 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/420041_344040512309046_100001093005637_1014526_189 9502441_n.jpg

so?

Phillip McDougall
03-16-2012, 09:30 AM
NO


is the part that needs to be fixed most, the V is too lopsided, the E is too hidden, and the extended part of the M should be a little more even. the top of the N is too small and the O is HUGE.

Norfsuthr
03-16-2012, 10:22 AM
If you're stickin with the n-o connect be a little fancy/clever about it. It's boring *****.

still in the prototype phase here but lemme know what you think..
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7209/6841680822_28e0a4f907.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/76434462@N08/6841680822/)
oie_1619161tANovDN4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/76434462@N08/6841680822/)

SkateJunt
03-17-2012, 12:28 PM
workin on them throwss
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7046/6844175494_0fa2e15179.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69411978@N04/6844175494/)
Picture 262 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69411978@N04/6844175494/) by Stewart Stevenson (http://www.flickr.com/people/69411978@N04/), on Flickr

notmikegiant
03-17-2012, 02:21 PM
@ skate - B looks more like an E to me, and if youre really desperately hurting to do dollar signs and stars then do it, otherwise lose that. personally i like to see consistency in letter openings, so try doing all stars, or simple bars, or that spin thing from the R.

SkateJunt
03-17-2012, 04:04 PM
thanks man
for the tribe throwie battle
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7185/6990979897_bfc981cde3.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69411978@N04/6990979897/)
Picture 264 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69411978@N04/6990979897/) by Stewart Stevenson (http://www.flickr.com/people/69411978@N04/), on Flickr

MoganOne
03-17-2012, 05:34 PM
Props to Brains
http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad220/Albinoethiopian07/2012-03-13_18-07-44_74.jpg

Negativity
03-17-2012, 06:28 PM
590595906059061

Rate?
I know I suck

KehmONE
03-17-2012, 09:19 PM
N in the first one has potential, the A also has potential. That K is awful.
Lose the shit around it, none of that outline shit, don't even worry about that shit yet.
Straight letters first, then when you've got straight letters down work on adding flares.

Also, there's a lot of people in here that have not improved at all since the last time I was on here...

KehmONE
03-17-2012, 10:01 PM
Props to Brains
http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad220/Albinoethiopian07/2012-03-13_18-07-44_74.jpg
I dig the O N E, the E could use a bit of work, but that M doesn't fit the style of the other letters at all... Fix that shit up.

SADEKxWSA
03-17-2012, 10:57 PM
59096

Quickie i did in class today with sum sharpies . WSA (WEST SIDE ARTISTS)

KehmONE
03-17-2012, 11:53 PM
That's more of a burner than a throwie, and that pic is far too small to actually give any critiques on. Nice bite on the Wu Tang "W" though.

Dossbog
03-18-2012, 01:29 AM
(r)zs(t)

59308

AstoK
03-18-2012, 01:39 AM
dont go over your out lines , it makes them look scrappy

MIX3638
03-18-2012, 02:20 AM
dam thats a quickie its freakin og

ZIK_ONER
03-18-2012, 07:11 AM
5931159312

Crits please? New tag.. I need to fix my shading

Rask Wsk LA
03-18-2012, 11:21 AM
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zik, try that shit in the middle of page

i know my shit go toy, hmu wit sum crits tho

ZIK_ONER
03-18-2012, 11:30 AM
I'm much to toy to give you crits, all i can say is dope, I'll post up some new shit later

Phillip McDougall
03-18-2012, 12:38 PM
ASK are all wack

Mildstyles
03-18-2012, 12:46 PM
Mone and brains are the only things i can look at

MN Nice
03-18-2012, 03:57 PM
That hurts bro lol jk can I get some crits on my shit from you guys?


http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/skier46/muesthrow.jpg

the circle around my tag looks like a splash.

Mildstyles
03-18-2012, 04:01 PM
lol mues that one was too far back^^ i didnt see it.
the bottom of the E is weird, and its really small. try making it bubbly for now and extend it
And the top of the S seems too low, maybe bump it up a bit. or maybe just bump up the piointy part at the top
The bottom of the U is going to the right...make it stay under the actual part of the U
thats all i can think of but it is still nice my man

Axil
03-18-2012, 05:01 PM
59400

Hick94
03-18-2012, 05:17 PM
axi l- dont paint yet..stay on paper

ChadWarden
03-18-2012, 11:48 PM
nah, fuck that, paint all you want. no one here really gives a shit either way.

Hick94
03-19-2012, 06:24 PM
any crits on this
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4804/img0035cc.jpg

ChadWarden
03-19-2012, 07:11 PM
thats not so bad, but:


- a general rule for throwups is to keep all of you letters the same size, and i suggest that you observe it.

- although your e is decent, it looks goofy because of the much smaller n and a.

- the little point you have on the top left of all your letters looks gay, with the exception of the the e. the e looks like it has horns or some shit.

-the bump on the bottom of your D (yes, i know) wouldnt look so bad if it connected with the rest of the letter


word, hope this helps.

cred1384
03-19-2012, 07:16 PM
@Dane the Bottom round part of the D and the round part of the a look off. Keep workin with it.

My first throwie concept, any tips for cleaning it up, want to go paint tonite.
http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s424/cred1384/preview_image_1_64498442x.jpg

ChadWarden
03-19-2012, 07:44 PM
you seem pretty gung-ho on the "sharp" edges, but it think it would look better with more curves. like so.



http://suxorz.com/i5/previewima.jpg



just a suggestion.


oh, and good luck not getting caught!

cred1384
03-19-2012, 07:50 PM
Thanks for the tip good man, i'll work with it.

MDDLCLSSME
03-19-2012, 09:00 PM
Pase1 mck
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MN Nice
03-19-2012, 09:05 PM
I love the concept but could use some definition on the S and E. Some lines for the holes maybe too.

cred1384
03-19-2012, 09:34 PM
^ agreed.

Trying to clean it up, these are all quick concept sketches so they aren't very clean. Also ignore the shite tag. That need's work and i'm well aware haha.

Any tips on making the D in this one look less like an O?
http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s424/cred1384/preview_image_1_12723902x-1.jpg

MDDLCLSSME
03-19-2012, 10:31 PM
revamped-ish version59728

KehmONE
03-19-2012, 11:05 PM
revamped-ish version59728

I'm actually really digging this, and the one before it with the blue outline.

omek
03-19-2012, 11:32 PM
nthing special

Panic519
03-19-2012, 11:44 PM
Pass second one is much better

cred1384
03-20-2012, 02:24 AM
2 slaps i did out of boredom.
http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s424/cred1384/photo55.jpg
http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s424/cred1384/preview_image_2_35341882x.jpg

killroywashere
03-20-2012, 07:15 AM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7068/6999737885_c454b5b4c2.jpg

pase - that shits awesome keep at it. i would say try to tweak the s some but your progression should be quick
cred - those stickers are nice. try to make your R more noticeable

Zest3
03-20-2012, 07:23 AM
59829

killroywashere
03-20-2012, 07:27 AM
cred your sig is killin me
ahh to fuckin high

SO - throw some drop shadow on that

PETER
03-20-2012, 07:29 AM
Pase: That shit is dope. I love the loseness of it.
Cred: you're covering ground quick. Keep rockin.
Killroy: Looking good stay up.

KehmONE
03-20-2012, 08:43 AM
http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj598/kehm2/16.png
http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj598/kehm2/17.png

Two styles I've been screwing with to get the letters the way I want, or even close to resembling what they're supposed to.

I wanna work off the first one, I like the feel of it when I write it. I just don't know what to do with the H or the Z.

I've also been playing around with the names SEGA and GASE/GAZE (Pronounced the same both ways) but I'm not sure how "taken" those names are.

Hick94
03-20-2012, 01:48 PM
just google the names thats the best way to see if their taken

cred1384
03-20-2012, 04:56 PM
@Hick First ones not bad, second is eh.

Made 2 more slaps
http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s424/cred1384/preview_image_1_26399372x.jpg
http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s424/cred1384/preview_image_1_69728182x.jpg

Hick94
03-20-2012, 06:05 PM
the style is good but calm down on all the highlights especially on the 2nd pic it takes away from the letters

Zest3
03-20-2012, 07:13 PM
Digging the first one

ChadWarden
03-20-2012, 07:34 PM
Any tips on making the D in this one look less like an O?

the d you used on the last page looked nothing like an o. use it. and what youre doing with your throws right now is stupid. youre squeezing the letters too much and, with the sketchy highlights youre using, its all getting difficult to read. also, the leg of your r, the way it curls out at both ends, just doesnt look good.

cred1384
03-20-2012, 07:38 PM
Trying to clean it up / dumb it down. Thanks for the crits fellas.
http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s424/cred1384/preview_image_2_90533952x.jpg

ChadWarden
03-20-2012, 07:49 PM
you seem to really like the way your r looks, so i guess i wont restate what ive already said about it. try making the nose (middle bump) of the e larger. if you want, play around with different tops for your letters (curves, squares, everything in between). the ridges you have right now dont look so bad on the d, but it looks odd on the r. oh, and mark the holes in your letters. dots/lines, ya dig?

cred1384
03-20-2012, 08:04 PM
I feel ya , I'd already finished that one before i saw your comment. I always get blinded and want to make the ridges or bumps consistent rather than aesthetic. I'll keep workin with it. Thanks again.

Zest3
03-20-2012, 08:17 PM
59861
Throwie was in color but orange turned to brown with my lame scanner

KehmONE
03-20-2012, 09:35 PM
http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj598/kehm2/18.png

Need to fix the E, majorly.

ChadWarden
03-20-2012, 09:35 PM
if i were you, i would exaggerate the bump on the side of your s.



like so


http://suxorz.com/i5/sadfsafsdf.jpg



fresh!



it would also be worth trying to do something clever with your o. lots of face potential there.

KehmONE
03-20-2012, 09:38 PM
http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj598/kehm2/18.png

Need to fix the E, majorly.
Forgot to ask for crits.

ChadWarden
03-20-2012, 09:54 PM
KehmONE


- the left side of your g could stand to kick out more, i think. add a little flavor to go with the lip you have going. it also a bit smaller than the rest of the letters, which never really looks good for the first letter.

- the a looks boring. switch it up a bit?

- see about removing the negative space between the bottom of the s and the a.

- your e isnt as bad as you had it out to be. granted, it does looks like it has a stupid grin on its face.

- it looks like all of your letters are wider up top than they are down bottom. if thats something youre doing intentionally and you like it, go for it. if not, i suggest fixing it.

KehmONE
03-20-2012, 10:04 PM
KehmONE


- the left side of your g could stand to kick out more, i think. add a little flavor to go with the lip you have going. it also a bit smaller than the rest of the letters, which never really looks good for the first letter.

- the a looks boring. switch it up a bit?

- see about removing the negative space between the bottom of the s and the a.

- your e isnt as bad as you had it out to be. granted, it does looks like it has a stupid grin on its face.

- it looks like all of your letters are wider up top than they are down bottom. if thats something youre doing intentionally and you like it, go for it. if not, i suggest fixing it.

I see what you mean about the G, it's actually the same size but it's a webcam picture so the perspective is slightly off from the way I was holding it.

I liked my 'a' I thought it was simple, but fit the style of the rest of the throw.

Not sure what I would do about the negative space.

They're intentionally wider at the top yeah.

R3bel1995
03-21-2012, 05:37 AM
if they are intentionally wider at the top, try to make each of your letters the same width at the top and the same width at the bottom. This gives your letters some uniformity. About your E, try to make it more rounded on the bottom lip, that might help it a bit. And like chad was saying, your A doesnt really fit the style with the rest of your letters, its TOO simple.

Zest3
03-21-2012, 07:16 AM
I agree about the face on the O, but gotta say the S you made me looks fucking bad... Atleast IMO, thanks for the advice though !

PETER
03-21-2012, 09:17 AM
I like that A honestly. The E has a boat load of face potential... make that bitch spitting shit! I like the throw. It'll have some serious funk with a bit more work.

H1P30N3R
03-21-2012, 11:53 AM
http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb409/heyzues07/IMG_20120320_235748.jpg

cred1384
03-21-2012, 03:36 PM
@H1P digging that concept, try the drop shadow on the other side maybe?

Trying different stuff to make it look better
http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s424/cred1384/preview_image_1_97868292x.jpg

snoketg
03-21-2012, 09:51 PM
59939
crits?

VERS420
03-22-2012, 02:39 AM
Im new here lemme know what you guys think
59978

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
03-22-2012, 04:10 AM
59979
59980

KehmONE
03-22-2012, 04:44 AM
@Vers

Make your lines with one flowing motion, they look like they're made of more than one motion. Straigthen them up a bit, they look shakey as fuck. That R is awful. The extension on the top of the V is wack. Your hand style at the top has potential in it's simplicity.

Zest3
03-22-2012, 06:30 AM
60003
Need to make a face on that O.

VERS420
03-22-2012, 06:43 AM
Thanks I'll try and work on it .

KehmONE
03-22-2012, 07:41 AM
60003
Need to make a face on that O.

/has potential, the bottom of the S needs work. The O definitely needs something done with it, it's way too boring.

KehmONE
03-22-2012, 12:28 PM
http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj598/kehm2/27.png

Not sure which name I like better, I'm personally leaning towards SEGA or SEGA2 just because the 2 looks sick... I know there isn't any SEGA's in my city.

Peon209
03-22-2012, 01:02 PM
http://i51.tinypic.com/s5bdxv.jpg

H1P30N3R
03-22-2012, 01:03 PM
the s needs work on both throws to much dead space on the first and the second why is there a big blotch of on the s?....a needs more definition, the first e is your most solid letter you arent far off just some little tweaks here and there .

http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb409/heyzues07/IMG_20120322_135219.jpg

H1P30N3R
03-22-2012, 01:06 PM
peon drop the shine shit and your letters are boxy as hell do a little research on throws look at tons and write your name tons of times ...it will get better with effort ps. idk what it is suppose to say

Peon209
03-22-2012, 01:50 PM
I write fadr. I was just tweakin my throwie a bit.
This is my normal throwie:
http://i53.tinypic.com/2f07lzo.jpg

KehmONE
03-22-2012, 02:15 PM
Keep practicing man.

cred1384
03-22-2012, 03:48 PM
@Fadr use lines or dots or whatever to show where the holes in the letters are.

Trying to simplify my shitt

http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s424/cred1384/preview_image_1_44058932x.jpg

HipsterPunks
03-22-2012, 05:16 PM
http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd488/chadhipster/physh.jpg
for PHYSH sorry bout the I

Mildstyles
03-22-2012, 06:05 PM
You might have already seen this but i would love some crits!
hipster- thats nice man although the first H is a little too covered...thats really the only thing i can point out.
cred-for now, REALLY dumb it down, like very simple letters. It will evolve overtime.
fadr- Get rid off all the blobs on the top of your letters, and fix the d is looks like an O right meow. And the R could be tweaked
hipe- always, always dope! Cant really point anything out besides the E might be alittle too small for the rest of the letters
60047

aiko
03-22-2012, 06:20 PM
i don't write gnaw, just fucking around, little help with the W?
60051

aiko
03-22-2012, 06:25 PM
60047
mild i really like that but just pull the e back a bit more with its shading to fill it out, also, through the beginning of your piece the letters don't really lean much, and if so, its to the right, so the way the D falls to the left at the end is it a bit off, id just block it out a lil.

Zest3
03-22-2012, 07:36 PM
60057
I know the S is fcked up, wanted to try a face for my O

MN Nice
03-22-2012, 09:39 PM
http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj598/kehm2/27.png

Not sure which name I like better, I'm personally leaning towards SEGA or SEGA2 just because the 2 looks sick... I know there isn't any SEGA's in my city.

Fuck off biter.


http://youtu.be/fIsYgIdg44Q

aiko
03-22-2012, 09:54 PM
ahahahahahaah

TastyMcNasty
03-22-2012, 11:00 PM
Fuck off biter.


http://youtu.be/fIsYgIdg44Q

hahahahahh

naked and hipster , those are dope.

working my throws more
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff518/TastyMcNasty/Graffiti/IMAG0024.jpg
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff518/TastyMcNasty/Graffiti/IMAG0025.jpghttp://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff518/TastyMcNasty/Graffiti/IMAG0027.jpg

MN Nice
03-22-2012, 11:07 PM
Painted versions asap ^


I write fadr. I was just tweakin my throwie a bit.
This is my normal throwie:
http://i53.tinypic.com/2f07lzo.jpg

Oh and you too. Queer.

http://nelsondanielcelis.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/abcdario10.png

Pic for talk. They buffed it the next morning. My boy's face that he puts up.

60074

SynOne
03-22-2012, 11:15 PM
Tasty, I just shat myself.

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
03-22-2012, 11:16 PM
gross.

tasty that R is hurting

TastyMcNasty
03-22-2012, 11:44 PM
Tasty, I just shat myself.

why?

gross.

tasty that R is hurting
really? i like it. but hows the rest of the throw?

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
03-23-2012, 12:16 AM
its got some steez, id change the bottom of the E though. either shave some of the fatness, or change it entirely, and for the R, just make the little boxy part go out a little bit farther than the top part
60077

8===D
03-23-2012, 02:17 AM
did u do that with spray paint it looks so reel

"Braze"
03-23-2012, 04:10 AM
60078
To pass the time in college, crtis any one?

KehmONE
03-23-2012, 04:16 AM
Well that will be the last time I take any advice from my friend... I had no idea.
I was screwing around with letters, names, ideas, etc. My friend said to me "Just go with a name thats meaningful to you, like something nostalgic or significant to your way of life" I said "Video games are nostalgic I loved that shit, like old school sega genesis, nintendo, atari and shit, come to think of it... SEGA is 4 letters and sounds sick" He responded "Dope, here check this throwie out and try and make it your own, it'll give you something to work off of" and sent me a sketch of what you see in the video...
I changed the S, the E and the A because I didn't like the ones he sent me, and kept the G because I couldn't come up with anything in my mind that looked better.
So yep, I bit. Albeit I had no idea that video or writer even existed I googled SEGA and nothing came up that made me think I was being unoriginal in any way, besides not being the first to use the name.

Anyways regardless, a couple different variations I was working on earlier.
http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj598/kehm2/30.png
http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj598/kehm2/31.png
http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj598/kehm2/32.png

Really quick pen sketches to put the letter structures I was seeing in my head onto paper.
Crits?

Zest3
03-23-2012, 06:14 AM
60057
I know the S is fcked up, wanted to try a face for my O
Crits on the face?

ven0m
03-23-2012, 08:05 AM
damn tasty u gon let him cover you like dat?
but to be frank, that's the first thing i really dig from you. i say its a keeper

TCV
03-23-2012, 08:21 AM
Fix ur a on the bottom. And just rewrite it a couple thousand times

TastyMcNasty
03-23-2012, 02:53 PM
:3:3:3:3:3:3:3:3:3:3:3:3:3:3:3:3:3
60111
huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehu ehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehueh uehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehu ehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehueh uehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehu ehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehueh uehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehu ehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehueh uehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue

H1P30N3R
03-23-2012, 02:53 PM
here you go kehmone ...tried using some of the style your shooting for also.

http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb409/heyzues07/IMG_20120323_154912.jpg

omiz
03-23-2012, 03:03 PM
60113
My First Throwy Ever.
Comments and Critiques Please!

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
03-23-2012, 03:27 PM
60116

TastyMcNasty
03-23-2012, 03:37 PM
60116

:3

Zest3
03-23-2012, 04:02 PM
Crits on the face?
.

ven0m
03-23-2012, 07:38 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/404022_405396116153970_100000507545549_1482936_349 178353_n.jpg

tryin an approach that's a little less calculated. followed my hand's instinct on this one...
comments?

TastyMcNasty
03-23-2012, 08:03 PM
fix the N and M, and it'll be spot on

smokeitup
03-24-2012, 01:44 AM
http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac31/smokeitup421/Photo0133.jpg

Axil
03-24-2012, 08:48 AM
its not that good i had someone watching me out there window and its was a solo so i rushed it but what do u think
60188

ZIK_ONER
03-24-2012, 09:07 AM
Axil, don't paint until you can make something worth looking at. Stick to the books.

Axil
03-24-2012, 09:27 AM
i know but i wanted to do something when i went out i only did like 5 tags so i wanted to do that

killroywashere
03-24-2012, 09:40 AM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7100/6999737983_e38e394a98.jpg[/url]

MN Nice
03-24-2012, 11:18 AM
Yeah dude, you keep painting that one rock no one looks at...

And axil do whatever the hell you want. I recommend just tagging and bombing for now until you get better can control. Feel me?

H1P30N3R
03-24-2012, 11:56 AM
^ someone was watching him bro or that would of been a sick ass burner ....smh @ ppl in windows fuckin up the graff game.

killroywashere
03-24-2012, 12:27 PM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7187/6790821176_11c49cffa8.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7179/6936940775_31d2e7d731.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7197/6790821332_86ded80af8.jpg


sorry they arent on a rock

dreg
03-24-2012, 01:15 PM
Best dollar black a Canadian can find ;)

Crits please. 60199

omiz
03-24-2012, 03:21 PM
it kinda looks like dreb.

killroywashere
03-24-2012, 05:41 PM
try a lower case E

Mildstyles
03-24-2012, 06:36 PM
Meh i lost it a little bit, gotta start doing em again.
60310

Norfsuthr
03-24-2012, 08:24 PM
Just gotta fix up your ED now^

TCV
03-24-2012, 09:23 PM
that naked looks like it was done on paper the you throws are dope

ChadWarden
03-24-2012, 09:26 PM
thats the problem with the toy forum. most of you fuckers dont know the good graffiti from the bad.




naked, thats solid, but find a way to define the d more.

Norfsuthr
03-24-2012, 09:35 PM
Thats not the problem with the toy forum, thats why its the toy forum.

Mildstyles
03-24-2012, 09:37 PM
And why would you think that tcv, that is crazytalk!
Thanks chad, d's for throws are hard for me but no doubt I'm gonna look for other ways to do em
And norf, I feel you. I appreciate the feedback from both of you

MoganOne
03-24-2012, 09:38 PM
http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad220/Albinoethiopian07/2012-03-24_17-37-19_623.jpg
I crossed off a wack one lol
http://i937.photobucket.com/albums/ad220/Albinoethiopian07/2012-03-24_21-24-58_932-1.jpg

SkateJunt
03-25-2012, 06:37 PM
i need to get back to sketching mor often, any crits on the throw?
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6036/6869662052_2d4c18e8cd.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69411978@N04/6869662052/)
Picture 268 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69411978@N04/6869662052/) by Stewart Stevenson (http://www.flickr.com/people/69411978@N04/), on Flickr

dankbudz
03-25-2012, 07:15 PM
Mone those are looking tight, but i think you could make the M a lot better
GErb- dumb that top on down

dreg
03-25-2012, 07:53 PM
^ The L and D do nothing for me. But I understand the hardships of the letter D.

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
03-25-2012, 07:56 PM
@dank mone's M's are fine, but yours need work.

dankbudz
03-25-2012, 08:19 PM
never said his weren't "fine", just could be better.
and yea, what i posted wasn't an attempt at anything great...

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
03-25-2012, 08:23 PM
shit everyone's m's "could be better".

dankbudz
03-25-2012, 08:28 PM
you know what i mean you fuckin douche

MASTAH_RIBCAGE
03-25-2012, 08:42 PM
actually, i dont think i do... I like those m's, and you were extremely vague on why/how the m's could be better

MoganOne
03-25-2012, 08:42 PM
Mone those are looking tight, but i think you could make the M a lot better
GErb- dumb that top on down
Lol yeah I am slowly getting the M down on the throws

KehmONE
03-26-2012, 03:27 AM
http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj598/kehm2/43.png
http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj598/kehm2/45.png
The three basic styles I've been screwing with.
The first one was a letter style that came after I just let my hand naturally draw the letters, but I still managed to get stuck on the A. Had a few ideas for the A, but they came after I took the picture.

Crits?

Dossbog
03-26-2012, 02:03 PM
Strange
60603

PETER
03-26-2012, 03:58 PM
ok... I am horrible at throws... I've only tried a couple of times. I kinda like the direction of this one. I'm counting on some of you guys that are good with them to crit this shit. Hipe, reach, naked, brains, venom, youth, there are a few more of you but cant think of at the moment, but I'm lookin' at you kids.
60621

edit... I know the lines are rough etc... it was more to get the idea on paper and see how it works. I'm looking more for letter form and how I might improve flow, shape, etc.

ven0m
03-26-2012, 07:03 PM
pics or gtfo
the end

SkateJunt
03-26-2012, 07:13 PM
sloppy as fuck :/

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7045/7019302081_c9417b5532.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69411978@N04/7019302081/)
Picture 271 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/69411978@N04/7019302081/) by Stewart Stevenson (http://www.flickr.com/people/69411978@N04/), on Flickr

Hylite
03-26-2012, 09:09 PM
6065560656606576065860659
you get it, i like throw ups

Trab
03-27-2012, 11:11 AM
'crew' throwie
http://i44.tinypic.com/35b6pon.jpg
Crits are welcome!

aiko
03-27-2012, 11:18 AM
60621
Maybe just try pointing off the bottom hook of your A, a bit.
And your last N is a bit fucked up, id shit the little feather tip in the middle of it to the beginning left side, make it somewhat resemble your other N.

aiko
03-27-2012, 11:19 AM
'id shit the little feather tip" ahhahaha

PETER
03-27-2012, 11:40 AM
its a k

aiko
03-27-2012, 11:58 AM
Well there's your problem.

sadgeh
03-27-2012, 12:03 PM
Its clearly a K but make the thickness much more

PETER
03-27-2012, 12:15 PM
make it thicker where? the little bit at the top or the loop. I'll be fuckin' with this a bit tonight. Gimme some ideas to throw around with it.

sadgeh
03-27-2012, 12:20 PM
the thickness on the whole throwie or work it out a lot better with this kinda style cause it could be really dope

TastyMcNasty
03-27-2012, 12:37 PM
you get it, i like throw ups

ya, too bad you're not any good at them

noted
03-27-2012, 12:54 PM
607166071760718

eh, started to start throwies about a week ago. i know they're not the best, any tips[for a beginner]?

H1P30N3R
03-27-2012, 03:16 PM
antik - man dont try that pointy shit at the bottom of your letters it never works out ... I went through that phase as I was learning also. start with simple bubble letters keep the flow and style of each letter alike ....practice practice practice the more u slop down throws on paper the more different ideas you will get. Take bits and pieces from different letters you make and start to develop. None of this happens in days or weeks it took me 2 years to get decent(at just throws) so dont get discouraged just all depends on how much time and effort you put into it.

pic for talking exchange with naked

http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb409/heyzues07/IMG_20120327_152342.jpg

aiko
03-27-2012, 05:36 PM
i like the 2nd and 3rd note

ven0m
03-27-2012, 06:48 PM
peter, my crit is this: think differently. you're treating the throw like a piece. it's a very different approach.
I'm sorry I'm not in the mood to elaborate too much, but I will tell you this: think fatter, bulkier, thicker letters... like obese fucking letters. the whole word is supposed to not have any space in it. it's suppposed to be like a big ol chunk of goo. like fat letters overlapping each other in a way that eliminates the space you usually have in a piece...
the best advice I can give you is to just go look at pro tosses in the gallery and come back with a new understanding of how those bombers think. once you start getting how they think when they build their throws, you'll get it.

PETER
03-27-2012, 07:23 PM
That is very much how I approach it. That makes a lot of sense.

REAL_LYFE_MIKE
03-27-2012, 09:19 PM
607936079460795

noted
03-27-2012, 09:56 PM
myke, i love your style. its so retro

KehmONE
03-27-2012, 11:40 PM
Man that monkey character is fucking dope, mind if I bite it for my blackbook?
That rocket piece would be sick painted, just fix the L it's too small.

Dossbog
03-28-2012, 12:09 AM
Rzst

60841

gemer
03-28-2012, 12:19 AM
@RLMike diggen that monkey

smokeitup
03-28-2012, 07:00 AM
beginners look at this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=qpaTAbanv10

REAL_LYFE_MIKE
03-28-2012, 07:56 AM
beginners look at this video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=qpaTAbanv10 I get it they re not throwies. my bust anyways didnt mean to pu it here.

ven0m
03-28-2012, 08:41 AM
I consider them throws... they're real nice too btw.. is that all you??? *suspicious*

REAL_LYFE_MIKE
03-28-2012, 08:43 AM
I consider them throws... they're real nice too btw.. is that all you??? all me. no other way to be. @ KeHM dont touch my monkey...hahaha. @SEME preciate it yo. thx to everyone getting alotta good feed back. go peep the toy BB and you'll see my whole post

Phillip McDougall
03-28-2012, 11:24 AM
Yeah that Lyfe with the backwards E is like the only quality thing besides the monkey

REAL_LYFE_MIKE
03-28-2012, 12:24 PM
no love on the robot? damn....time to put in more work then.

Dossbog
03-28-2012, 01:59 PM
peter, my crit is this: think differently. you're treating the throw like a piece. it's a very different approach.
I'm sorry I'm not in the mood to elaborate too much, but I will tell you this: think fatter, bulkier, thicker letters... like obese fucking letters. the whole word is supposed to not have any space in it. it's suppposed to be like a big ol chunk of goo. like fat letters overlapping each other in a way that eliminates the space you usually have in a piece...
the best advice I can give you is to just go look at pro tosses in the gallery and come back with a new understanding of how those bombers think. once you start getting how they think when they build their throws, you'll get it.

Dude.....YES! I wish someone had told me that months ago but instead i just kept trying to polish turds!!!

ven0m
03-28-2012, 07:05 PM
well then I'm glad I helped