Chemistry 101:Beginner Ink Labs and Pics

[FLIP FLOP]

you can make gk out of any OIL based paints, the house paints you have are probably latex paints.

[HëRbN]

^word.

But you CAN make some huge rollers with it :)

[denaaa]

thanks alott i just didnt want to waste anything you knoww but i just went and triedd it madee somee nicee silverrr

[Sanc_one]

I just made pen ink. But instead of pens i just used black ink and just add little bit of thinner. It flow well with marker, it is just very bad ink :S. Buffable instant. So do you have any idea what to add. Cheap and simple please :D.

[PeeInTheShower]

is it worth adding brake fluid to the pen ink recipe?

[Vagrant]

yes its worth it. just a little.

[PeeInTheShower]

just a little brake fluid? or just a little worth it? what's the ratio? like a cap for every cup or something? is it true that it becomes easier to buff if you add too much?

[FLIP FLOP]

I just made pen ink. But instead of pens i just used black ink and just add little bit of thinner. It flow well with marker, it is just very bad ink :S. Buffable instant. So do you have any idea what to add. Cheap and simple please :D.
what thinner and what ink did you use?

[HëRbN]

im guessing sanc you used like india ink or something similair? if so theres not alot you can do to save it seeing as its water based which is why it would buff so easy, you could boil it down to get rid of the water and then add something or you could just add another stainer like wood stain or a stainer powder. And if this is the case the thinner was not really needed


pee - yes you should only add about a cap or 2 per cup, if you add to much your ink will never dry meaning itll wipe right off, the point of the dot3 is to make it take longer to dry thus giving it more time to stain/soak in. there being the point that too much is no bueno

[LeaksOne]

is there any concoction you can put together with latex paint? an how do you make grog ink less watery? like is there anything you can add?

[FLIP FLOP]

i have mixed latex paint and pen ink before it came out a nice light purple you havee to mix it alot at first but then its fine (wont seperate, i left a bottle of it sitting for a long ass time and it was fine.) as for the grog i heard you can use very finely ground up artists charcoal. you could maybe try super strong pen ink though. (make sure its very thick)

[Queezy]

Can I use waterproof caligraphy ink as an additive?

[FLIP FLOP]

is it higgens/india ink?

[H3TT1NG3R]

yes, but it'd be shitty. you can boil the calligraphy ink down until its a solid, then crush it into a powder, THEN you can add it

[gunsofbrooklyn]

ok the dicks in the other thread wont help me
my ink is really runny and it comes off really easily
how do i get the ink to stay on?

[TASR]

hmmm, make another batch with less of whatever thinner you used, or add some koolaid powder or some elmers white glue I believe. I added some fake blood to my red ink and it thickened it.

whatever you can find son

[gunsofbrooklyn]

thanks man!! :D

[LeaksOne]

i have mixed latex paint and pen ink before it came out a nice light purple you havee to mix it alot at first but then its fine (wont seperate, i left a bottle of it sitting for a long ass time and it was fine.) as for the grog i heard you can use very finely ground up artists charcoal. you could maybe try super strong pen ink though. (make sure its very thick)

ok sounds good. about that artist charcoal is is that the stuff at michaels? it comes in like a 3 pack or 2 pack an its like little short square pieces?

[Queezy]

I think it mght be higgins.
Does it smell when you boil down liquids?

[H3TT1NG3R]

yea. but if it water based you'll just smell water

[Queezy]

Aight cool.

[H3TT1NG3R]

and if your ever boiling anything else, it usually doesnt matter much. if you really wanted you could cover teh top, cut a hole, and feed a tube in, then all the vapor would go thru the tube, and you could collect it if u wanted it.

[Queezy]

Damn never thought about that.

[H3TT1NG3R]

yea, its called fractional distillation., its also a way to seperate two liquids. if one liquid has a lower boiling point, it will boil off, and you can colect it, thwn when the other one starts boiling, change the cup taht the tube is feedign into, and then you've seperated the liquids.

[gunsofbrooklyn]

http://www.staples.com/sbd/img/cat/std/s0204628_std.jpg
^1 inch nib, palm sized over all



and heres some that come in a pack of 4 for 10 bucks, you can probly find singles though..
http://di1.shopping.com/images1/pi/6c/ec/86/36863992-177x150-0-0_.jpg

im gonna buy that on friday
i want to make yellow ink, what ink should i get? acrylic? im planning on going to michaels since staples is right next to it.

[HëRbN]

just becareful with the top one cause it writes bad ass with acrylic but if it dries up then its trash. and tape the whole thing up with electrical tape or something cause if you squeeze to hard itll leak at the seems.


and acrylic is paint. ink is ink good luck making an opaque yellow ink. id stick with acrylic

[LeaksOne]

how do i make metallic silver gk? what kinda paint has metallic paint?

[Queezy]

Rusto

[LeaksOne]

yea i jus found some yesterday. the lowes only has white an black an i wanted a little can so i went to ace hardware an got blue green an aluminum.

[Kofin]

Here's my ghetto krink:
Rustoleum OIL BASED paint. (about $10 US for a quart)(Wal-mart)
Paint thinner (about $5 US for a half gallon)(Wal-mart)
Brake fluid DOT3 ($1.75 for a bottle that will last for about 100 batches)(Dollar General)

I don't measure it out- I go in ratios. My current mix:
4/5ths Paint
1/5ths Thinner
1/2 a capful (about a teaspoon) of brake fluid

I use a gatorade bottle and a coke bottle when making it.
Cut the coke bottle in half, and you can use the top half as a funnel for the gatorade bottle. Less mess, less wasted paint.

Always stir your paint good before mixing, and shake the ink very well after mixing.

WORDS OF CAUTION: I use this ink in Kiwi Shoe Polish mops. I dont own any good markers.

Add too much brake fluid and your batch is worthless. All brake fluid does is slows your ink's drying time. Too much and it almost never dries. I used too much my first time and my mop tag took 15 hours to dry.

This recipe works well for me, though. Good clean drips, but not so thin that it over-drips, or the drips are wiggly and watery.

This makes much more ink per dollar spent than buying actual Krink Ink or other brand names.

Use common sense too. Dont pour it in or over your sink or tub. It will stain it. Wear disposable gloves.

[HëRbN]

ink is ink and paint is paint... why does no one understand this? and oil paint additives will work better for slowing drying time then brake fluid will. brake fluid contains a patroleum disolate doesnt it? and should really be kept for making real ink not paint. while linseed oil or the like is an oil and will mix with an oil based paint more efficeintly and will have less of a chance of ruining a batch if too much is used.

[Kofin]

ink is ink and paint is paint... why does no one understand this? and oil paint additives will work better for slowing drying time then brake fluid will. brake fluid contains a patroleum disolate doesnt it? and should really be kept for making real ink not paint. while linseed oil or the like is an oil and will mix with an oil based paint more efficeintly and will have less of a chance of ruining a batch if too much is used.

I'm sure you're right, but us toys with low resources are doing our best just to get a batch together. I can't run across town everytime for a fancy oil paint additive, and sure as hell can't afford it.

[FLIP FLOP]

I'm sure you're right, but us toys with low resources are doing our best just to get a batch together. I can't run across town everytime for a fancy oil paint additive, and sure as hell can't afford it.

why do you want your OIL BASED PAINT to take a long time to dry?

[HëRbN]

exactly oil already takes a bit to dry because of the oil, and seeing as it wont have much as far as staining goes your better off leaving it as it, if you want it runnier then add linseed oil or even vegetable or honing oil if your really ghetto. who said you have to buy it? lol and its not really fancy. pretty common really.

[Sal-814foxt]

ok so iv read this thred and good info thx

but i have a Flow pen OTR and i put this organic ink in it and this shit worked gread but it clogged my marker and my flow pen is like a horny 50yr with no blue pill i soked the nib in 70% alc and still nothing....any help plz

[planetaryduality]

rak the equivalent from micheals...a zig woodstaining pen.

[planetaryduality]

i know there is additives u can buy for this, but is there any household product that SPEEDS UP drying time?

im using a pen ink/alchohol recipe :)

[Kofin]

exactly oil already takes a bit to dry because of the oil, and seeing as it wont have much as far as staining goes your better off leaving it as it, if you want it runnier then add linseed oil or even vegetable or honing oil if your really ghetto. who said you have to buy it? lol and its not really fancy. pretty common really.

*hangs head in shame and mumbles* I guess that's why i'm writing in the toys forum...

[MARTYRaz]

isnt this wat the ink recipes and step by step and flicks of ur inventory forums r for??? i mean wats the point of typing everything twice wen its already there in the tools and tips??? no point to this forum... never seen somthin so pointless makes me wanna shoot my face off

[HëRbN]

thanks for that martyr, if you must know the point of this is to field the toy questions and the ones that get asked over and over so that the big boy ink thread doesnt get clogged with them. so yeah. quitcha bitchin

[librelikespie]

what can i add to a shitty pgment pased ink to make it adhere to smooth surfaces better? i dont care about stains, im more worried about opaqueness and fading. should i add glue or something?

[Bink1]

Here's my ghetto krink:
Rustoleum OIL BASED paint. (about $10 US for a quart)(Wal-mart)
Paint thinner (about $5 US for a half gallon)(Wal-mart)
Brake fluid DOT3 ($1.75 for a bottle that will last for about 100 batches)(Dollar General)

I don't measure it out- I go in ratios. My current mix:
4/5ths Paint
1/5ths Thinner
1/2 a capful (about a teaspoon) of brake fluid

I use a gatorade bottle and a coke bottle when making it.
Cut the coke bottle in half, and you can use the top half as a funnel for the gatorade bottle. Less mess, less wasted paint.

Always stir your paint good before mixing, and shake the ink very well after mixing.

WORDS OF CAUTION: I use this ink in Kiwi Shoe Polish mops. I dont own any good markers.

Add too much brake fluid and your batch is worthless. All brake fluid does is slows your ink's drying time. Too much and it almost never dries. I used too much my first time and my mop tag took 15 hours to dry.

This recipe works well for me, though. Good clean drips, but not so thin that it over-drips, or the drips are wiggly and watery.

This makes much more ink per dollar spent than buying actual Krink Ink or other brand names.

Use common sense too. Dont pour it in or over your sink or tub. It will stain it. Wear disposable gloves.

thats what i wanted hear :eek:

[Queezy]

Don't put brake fluid. It does nothing.

[COBALT]

Don't put brake fluid. It does nothing.

im wit Queezy it really doesnt do shit

[what4joke...]

what i usually do is fill a measuring container up with a quarter cup of 99% rubbing alcohol, you do 20 cut up pens per quarter cup, and add 5 drops of dot3 per quarter cup, when you let it set for a day you can strain out the lil pen tubes.. and work with your ink, simple.. and hard staining. (shake well) .

[Queezy]

I do 150 pens to 1/2 cup of Denatured Alcohol, 1 splash of dot 3(small splash), small splash of genetian violet/Meth Blue. I've only been using mops lately so I add in pearl ex pigment, and some dyes.

[H3TT1NG3R]

for the kid who asked about making a pigment based ink bind better...try boiling the ink, then thinning with alcohol. if you stil have the problem, try adding some glycerin maybe. but thinning it with alcohol or another volatile solvent should work.

[LeaksOne]

wordof the wise an not so wise(myself) wear gloves anytime you deal with oil paint. i wasted alot on my hands an it took about a week of scrubbin hard everyday to get it all off.

[youKNOW]

[QUOTE=HëRbN;1141626]Ok, So i know theres an Ink Discussion thread in
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/659/inklab2wl8.jpg


what are those 9 glass jars left of the rubbing alcohol and whatre they used for?

[Vagrant]

at first i thought it was pearlex but it looks like some sort of competitor maybe...
or just some random ink

[Queezy]

Pretty sure it's Calligraphy ink.

[Bink1]

i got
1) pens
2)dot4 brake fluid
3) paint thinner

now i mixem up at
3/4
1/4
and a bit of brake fluid?

[EgoZen]

[QUOTE=HëRbN;1141626]Ok, So i know theres an Ink Discussion thread in
PICTU


what are those 9 glass jars left of the rubbing alcohol and whatre they used for?

READ:

Ok, So i know theres an Ink Discussion thread in the big boys section But i figured the little tikes could use a place to learn where to start. That way we can keep the N00b questions here and keep the discussion one for recipes and actualy discussion.

......
Above you will also notice i have, calligraphy inks as a color inhancer and a mortor and pestle for grinding pigments into a fine powder. Be creative and experiment, thats what its all about.

***Bleach should never be used in ink making***

[Queezy]

i got
1) pens
2)dot4 brake fluid
3) paint thinner

now i mixem up at
3/4
1/4
and a bit of brake fluid?

I don't think paint thinner works with pen ink. Experiment though...

[MARTYRaz]

sure dont....paint thinner....key word there--------paint....

[Bink1]

sure dont....paint thinner....key word there--------paint....

oh yea and whats the keyword for brake fluid? :o

[pardee]

what the fuck is that soy sauce shit? is it easy and does it fuckin' stain the shit your writing on?

[pardee]

Also where do you get/buy glycerin?

[JudgeWizely]

Can methalated spirits, turpanite or lamp oil be used when making a batch of ink?????

[Vagrant]

methylated spirits for inks.
this is denatured alcohol. Usually 90% ethanol and 10% methanol. very common ink base

turpentine for paints.
cleans paint brushes. thins paint.

[Bink1]

white spirit works?

[Baron]

i got
1) pens
2)dot4 brake fluid
3) paint thinner

now i mixem up at
3/4
1/4
and a bit of brake fluid?

You only got the pens part right. Last time I checked DOT4 was garbage and did a lot more harm than good. And of course paint thinner is for paints.

[Bink1]

got it :D

[cds_dogg665544]

Also where do you get/buy glycerin?

if you do get some get the plant derived kind not the animal derived kind:D

[k'n1ve]

if you have marsh and garvey mix that shit 50/50 for the dopest ink ever... One is hard to buff, and the other is easy, and one doesnt fade in the sun and the other does--so combined its like gods vagina aka dope as fuck.

But if your makin your own do like 80-100 pens per cup of alcohol ( the higher percentage alc the better) And like a small cap of DOT3 brake fluid---just a little-- Its up to you though the more pens the thicker, and darker but i just made a couple cups, and i just throw whatever ink i can in there and its sick shit...

[hardwares]

ay would fish oil do shit in alcohol/pen mix? i have alot of all of that and want to know if mixing it would do shit.

[k'n1ve]

fuck try it in a lil bit, but prolly not cuz the base is either alcohol or some is xylene, prolly wouldnt mix right...put some in some paint thats oil based maybe-- just experiment bro.

[Zase]

belive me
take an old posca paint marker
wash it
fill it with mtn hardcore ink its like 10 euros
or home made shit if ya want
rag the nib a few times on rock or rough material
and u have the best non streaking fat writing round tip marker there is
and take a standart 5 mm nib or larger
and do the thing on the rocks like i said it wil be as wide as the std 15 mm marker but round tip and if ya want monster drips

[hardwares]

hey, so i made some shit out of woodstain, paint thinner and fish oil.
i put 2/3 woodstain, 1/3 thinner and like 10 fish oil tabs, and it came out transparent as fuck.
so i poured some out and added another 1/3 cup of woodstain.

its still a little transparent.
is that normal?
or am i just being paranoid.

[Queezy]

Use woodstain straight up with no thinner.

[Basic954]

20 blue pens, 20 red pens. Cut em open. Throw the ink compartment holder thingy in a bottle. Add half a cup of rubbing alcohol and a lil brake fluid. Shake well. Let sit overnight. Place in your favorite marker. Enjoy your drips!

[graffdabusup]

got two questions

1. what can i add to regular pen ink for more stain or opagueness???

2. can you mix oil based rusto alluminum and pen ink???

awnsers would be appreciated. thank u

[Sanc_one]

got two questions
1. what can i add to regular pen ink for more stain or opagueness???


I wanna know that too..

[EgoZen]

i wanna know that too..


experiment!

[H3TT1NG3R]

got two questions

1. what can i add to regular pen ink for more stain or opagueness???

2. can you mix oil based rusto alluminum and pen ink???

awnsers would be appreciated. thank u

1. meth blue, iodine, gv, 3 drops of brake fluid, koolaid, maachite green, any dyes really. for opaqueness, carbon, or pigments and gum arabic

2. no, but yes.

[bak]

ok here are some quick questions and ill answer and post pics if anyone needs them or needs help with ink or paint...


anyyyyyyyway


does anyone fuck with etch or is that just out of the question?

and i wanna know wat makes the ink bleed thru a buff or wat is it that makes an ink unbuffable? that dot 3 shizz dont really cut it and ive tried different ways of making ink but no luck..

[Worms]

i need somone to post up a list or pm me a list of ink making supplies and where you can rack em from for example
paint thinner - home depot
etc

[bak]

and in return??????????


lol

u wanna fudge with inks or paints?

[Cesk]

1. Meth blue, iodine, gv, 3 drops of brake fluid, koolaid, maachite green, any dyes really. For opaqueness, carbon, or pigments and gum arabic

2. No, but yes.

fuck your koolaid
(l)

[Worms]

inks fuck that paint and paint thinner bullshit i wana get down n dirty with ink

[MARTYRaz]

go to walmart....get u some pens.....50cent for ten....get about a hundred....10 bucks....get u some isopropyl alcohol..90% or greater....get u a jar....pull them pens apart...this gonna take u a good 30 mins....cut the ink cartridge clear plastic thing that hold the ink in the pen in 2s....measure half a cup of alcohol(u mite need to add a lil more)....dump it in the jar...put ur cut pen peices in that shit too...lid...shake....leave overnite to ensureing u got all that ink out...shake some more...then drain into another container or dump it in ur marker...add a cap of dot 3....ur set....and for the record....DOT 3 IS NOT A STAINER!!!!!!!! it simply just slows the drying time of ur INK....NOT FOR PAINT!!!!



OR.....buy u some grog black and some corio....mix that shit 50/50 fuckin butter....

[Facedorateur]

just go to michaels and rack a 1 liter bottle of India Ink, its amazing, just mix with all your other shit and voila, nice ink

[Vagrant]

its not amazing
its a basic waterbased pigmented ink.
the only perks to it is its cheap so you have plenty to redo tags that get buffed easily.




pvc primer.

[tha wite rabbit]

^^
word... thars some tough shit

[planetaryduality]

that purple shit uggh lol

[Basic954]

i need somone to post up a list or pm me a list of ink making supplies and where you can rack em from for example
paint thinner - home depot
etc

Dark Blue Ink
20 Blue pens
20 Black Pens
1 bottle of rubbing alcohol
1 mixing container (water bottle?)
DOT3 Brake Fluid
All rackable from walmart

[Masta T]

hey can u put the grog full metal paint in a flowpen? jw

[hardwares]

question that wasnt answered earlier..

can you put kool-aid or emergen-c or any other dark powdered mix into an oil based ink (woodstain, geto krink, etc..)

?

[Noddles912300]

Oil based liquids are usually paints.
I would add kool aid into alcohol based inks. 40 pens to 1/2 cup of alcohol.
Masta-I've never tried but, I'm not sure if the metallic look will get through.
Basic ink-
Pens(any office supply store.)
Alcohol, higher % the better. (most stores carry under first aid section.)
Additives-
To slow drying-Dot3 brake fluid.
Better staining- Methalaine blue, Kool aid, shoe polish(dye based) etc.
Can also add other inks such as ****, grog, garvey (heard costco carries them).

[hardwares]

yeah but will kool-aid do shit in a paint? ive got woodstain shit right now and its not as opaque as i want it to be, and i dont wanna throw it out.

[MARTYRaz]

^^kool aid wont do shit for ur woodstain but go get u a lil can of gk and add that woodstain as a thinner u got a staining paint mix...pretty nice in a mop....

[Culture_Shock]

I feel bad diluting ink with just alcohol, so i gave this a try.
1 bottle alcohol.
1 empty Sobe bottle
and handfuls of shitty permanent marker cores.

Hold one of the cores pointing down into the bottle, and pour your alcohol over it. that shit'll percolate through the core and draw out any ink. switch out cores when the alcohol starts drawing out watery looking ink, and you're set. use this in your "half cup to 40 pens" recipie and see how it turns out...

I also have to attest to the use of wood stain as a thinner. Ebony stain + black rusto = a better mouse trap

[hardwares]

^^^ good idea

i was messing around with ideas, and at school with little supplies for ink i thought up of this. i call it shitty marker mix.

go around your house, school, wherever and get all the dead sharpies, permanent markers, and i guess even crayolas, but im still not sure on that on.

take out the cores, and cut them into little disks, or vertically into strips (works a little better) then place them in a bucket like you would pens, evenly placed out, then add a little alcohol (experiment, start small depending on how much shit is left in the markers.). wait a day or two, and pour that shit out.

i dunno how well this works on a wall. im messing with dry erase markers and alcohol right now, because my school has them everywhere, but i think it wont make the best buff proof ink ever. lol. whatever.

[hardwares]

question--

i have this stamp pad ink, and i was wondering if theres anything i can do to it to make it a little more permantent (dot3 or something?)

dont really want to waste it.

[what4joke...]

lmao, dot 3. ahha, just mix it with like pen ink or pilot or whatever you can get/make

[Masta T]

ok so i dont like the flow pen ink to much it seems to b getn buffed pretty easy does the break fluid make it stain better? an can i out the full metal grog in a flowpen?

[Queezy]

I don't know why you said lmao at the dude talking about dot 3 what4joke, a couple days ago you were saying dot 3 eats into walls n shit, and basically giving people bad information.

[Culture_Shock]

I don't think theres any saving flowpen ink. nice colors, but you're better off just getting new ink all together...
and full metal grog is great through a flowpen style marker.

[Sanc_one]

Guys. Do you think that small one refill (marked as A) will work fine too for ink? Cuz i cant find any other cheap refills here in Europe..
http://www.shrani.si/f/27/HF/1tbM4fQL/refillid.jpg

[k'n1ve]

juss make some a your own ink...

[HëRbN]

"that shit'll percolate" this made me lol for real.

Sanc, yes those should work just as well, its going to be a bit more runny that what say a bic's pen ink will be tho so use more to less alc.

And Culture, get all of your marker cores, wear gloves, and rubberband them together in a bundle the size of your bottle then shove it in there and pour through them all, go slow though so it doesnt run over the edges. just a little tip i learned through doing exactly what you said.

Something else you guys might try is rather than using alcohol at all us pvc primer. its a better base seeing as its a stronger chemical and is a staining agent. i have stopped using alcohol practically all together and all of my inks have been significantly improved.


and kn1ve..... shhh... lol thats obviously what he's doing.

[k'n1ve]

my bad i read that shit completely wrong...

[what4joke...]

I don't know why you said lmao at the dude talking about dot 3 what4joke, a couple days ago you were saying dot 3 eats into walls n shit, and basically giving people bad information.
hey, i said that cause when u dump dot 3 on car paint it peels off.

[MARTYRaz]

until u show me a vid of someone pouring dot 3 on a car....and the paint actually peeling off....i say BULLSHIT...DOT 3 will not eat thro walls...eat paint off a car (lmao)...staining power is shit...the only thing its good for is slowing drying time of ink so it settles just a lil bit...thats it....nothing else....fuckin shit u fucks have no sense....

[k'n1ve]

hey i live pretty close to phoenix...

[Siner]

I've read most of this thread and couldn't find it anywhere so i was wondering if I thinned out acrylic paint with water, would it work in a pump marker with a nib. Also, can the oil paint that come in the tubes be thinned out with oil-based thinner and also be put in the same style of marker, thanx in advance.

[SONE.]

For my ink i just use 1/2 bottle of alchohal, breakfluid, and as many pens as i can find.

[k'n1ve]

if its oil based you can thin it with paint thinner, and yeah it'll work in pump markers if its not too thick... and the water shit will prolly just suck nuts anyway... If you get those little cans of rusto paint like the roller kind get alluminum and that shit is just good to go straight out of the can cuz its thin and it writes dope too!

[gunsofbrooklyn]

it it possible to open this kind of pen and fill it with ink? i found a empty one and theres some sort of ball bearing in it when i shake it
i also wanna replace the tip with a thin nib

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31JflGYqL5L._SL500_AA280_.jpg

[SONE.]

uhm yeh i dont see why that wouldnt work. theyre good if they just got whiteout in them too.

[bak]

"that shit'll percolate" this made me lol for real.

.

Something else you guys might try is rather than using alcohol at all us pvc primer. its a better base seeing as its a stronger chemical and is a staining agent. i have stopped using alcohol practically all together and all of my inks have been significantly improved.


and kn1ve..... shhh... lol thats obviously what he's doing.

this primer u speak of...where can i get my hands on it?

[HëRbN]

PVC primer, you can pick it up at lowes or home depot or any other similair store im sure. Its by the plumbing stuff, it comes in a little metal jar. Naptha, Acetone, or any other similair solvents are all also alot better than alc, but experiment and see what you like.

[Neg_INFLUENZ]

SHIT QUALITY MOP+INK RECIPE

Basically an ink i made that i have not tested on a wall but is super easy to make and requires hardly any ingredients

INK
----
1 Bottle to keep it in (i used a pill bottle)
Gloves
Rubbing alcohol
Permanent marker (sharpie)

Take your pill bottle and fill it about a quarter way up with alcohol. Then take your marker and open it up. Pull out the plastic tube inside and pull out all the weird cotton-like stuff (this will make a huge mess so be sure to have a surface you dont mind getting dirty). Put the cotton stuff in the alcohol and shake it. Let it sit overnight or longer.

*NOTE* You can add more than one marker to make it darker

SHIT QUALITY MOP
---------------------
One regular washable marker

Take your marker and pull out the plastic tube. Wash all the ink out (or until it is an amount that isnt enough to write with) and then wash the tip of the marker (it will take a little while) Put the tube back in the marker and pour the ink into the tube. VOILA! Youve got your mop

*NOTE* Smashing the tip against something to make it flat is a good idea.

[bak]

nice lil recipes lol

i looked up this primer stuff and it comes in colors?? do u just slap it in a bottle or do u add ink or paint???

[T-jay]

he said its a base so ure problally gonna put some pens in it it but is it still the half a cup= 40 pen ratio
whats the site u looked at i wanna check this out to

[bak]

k k
loook (http://www.pvcfittingsdirect.com/_e/dept/08-001/Glue_and_Primer.htm?gclid=CNHytJSM35gCFQkzawodVD1i cA)

check out the last one..its purple!

[T-jay]

sr u sure thats it
thats pretty dope if its better that rubin alch
can the same staners be added like Pottassium Permanganat, dot 3 , leather dye

another question is leather dye for inks or paint

[HëRbN]

OK kiddies, lets clear some stuff up. Neg i hate to say it but that recipe is barely a recipe. you really just watering down a sharpie, whose ink isnt that great to start with. : / And what you desribed is a marker not really a mop. there is a difference. learn to know and love them both lol.



And about the pvc primer its most common color is purple, when mixed with pen ink your ink will turn a red hue though. It should not be used by itself, add it to your ink or use it as a base rather than alcohol(works way better)

T- yes it works much better than alcohol. Acetone, naptha and other solvents all work better than alcohol as well and are often harder to buff, give em a try you can thank me later. And yes all the normal stainers and additives can be added just like normal. And leather dye is for inks and only inks, i doubt it would mix with most paints and may actually cause some to coagulate (sp?)



1 cup PVC primer
100 to 120 black pens (or blue or red just try and do them all the same color for best results, mixing will always result in purple as will most pen ink recipes unless your really good.)
jar 1
jar 2

take your primer and put a small amount of it in jar one just enough to cover the bottom 1/4 to 1/2 inch of your pens, put your pens in there and let them sit and leak into it for as long as needed. could take longer due to less amount of liquid. pour a bit through the pens if needed.
After they have drained you will have a very thick blackish purple sludge. remove your pens and add the rest of your pvc primer (up to a cup)
Toss old pens in jar 2 and save, i have saved all the pens ive ever cut up and got a nice little stash of really thick ink which i add to thicken others or add for opacity.


Now in jar 1 you essentially have a base for all your ink making, when trying new things like a new staining agent, use this same base then you can really see what your results are.

Things you COULD add...
dyes -- leather ect
stainers-- Pottassium Permanganat, "Blue" (fish stores, pool shops) ect
dry time lengtheners - - dot 3 (very little) or a few select patroleum dissaltes (the thick ones ;) )
soy sauce, vineger, bb juice :P or anything else you can think of.


Experiment and enjoy -- I had to!

[bak]

thanks thanks but the purple is what attracted me do i put half blues and blacks and the primer to get purple??

[Neg_INFLUENZ]

you damn kids and hip lingo

[T-jay]

OK kiddies, lets clear some stuff up. Neg i hate to say it but that recipe is barely a recipe. you really just watering down a sharpie, whose ink isnt that great to start with. : / And what you desribed is a marker not really a mop. there is a difference. learn to know and love them both lol.



And about the pvc primer its most common color is purple, when mixed with pen ink your ink will turn a red hue though. It should not be used by itself, add it to your ink or use it as a base rather than alcohol(works way better)

T- yes it works much better than alcohol. Acetone, naptha and other solvents all work better than alcohol as well and are often harder to buff, give em a try you can thank me later. And yes all the normal stainers and additives can be added just like normal. And leather dye is for inks and only inks, i doubt it would mix with most paints and may actually cause some to coagulate (sp?)



1 cup PVC primer
100 to 120 black pens (or blue or red just try and do them all the same color for best results, mixing will always result in purple as will most pen ink recipes unless your really good.)
jar 1
jar 2

take your primer and put a small amount of it in jar one just enough to cover the bottom 1/4 to 1/2 inch of your pens, put your pens in there and let them sit and leak into it for as long as needed. could take longer due to less amount of liquid. pour a bit through the pens if needed.
After they have drained you will have a very thick blackish purple sludge. remove your pens and add the rest of your pvc primer (up to a cup)
Toss old pens in jar 2 and save, i have saved all the pens ive ever cut up and got a nice little stash of really thick ink which i add to thicken others or add for opacity.


Now in jar 1 you essentially have a base for all your ink making, when trying new things like a new staining agent, use this same base then you can really see what your results are.

Things you COULD add...
dyes -- leather ect
stainers-- Pottassium Permanganat, "Blue" (fish stores, pool shops) ect
dry time lengtheners - - dot 3 (very little) or a few select patroleum dissaltes (the thick ones ;) )
soy sauce, vineger, bb juice :P or anything else you can think of.


Experiment and enjoy -- I had to!

thanks alot
what do u think is a better stainer pottassium permangant or leather dye

[Olick]

thanks thanks but the purple is what attracted me do i put half blues and blacks and the primer to get purple??

remember that the primer isnt flat out purple. think of it as watered down. if you use it straight up itll look like water with a VERY SMALL TINT of purple.

its used as a base "which was said a couple of times"

so just make a normal penink batch but instead of alcohol use pvc primer.





ps. for 99% alcohol. use denatured alcohol =D

[skull-e]

ps. for 99% alcohol. use denatured alcohol =D

Whats the difference?

[gunsofbrooklyn]

anyone know a good marker i can buy that i can empty out so i can put ink in? and what do i need to make ink? i dont wanna get 100 pens and empty them all out

[HëRbN]

actually if you use all black it will still come out purple, black pens are not a true black, so when the ink is thinned it shows purple but yea some blue could be used to, even a few reds for a more purple hue.

T jay- it really kinda of depends on what surface its going on, like leather dye is made to absorb into fibers and what not so its not gunna work as good on say metal ect. so each will work better on different surfaces, just remember, you can use multiple stainers.

Guns- dont be lazy. that is the most basic easiest way to make ink. if you cant bother taking the time to do that then i wouldnt worry bout it. pilot jumbos are easy to refill....

Denatured alc is more hardcore lol

And stay away from india ink, its really no good unless you boil it down so its just pigment then add it to your ink.

[bak]

cool i actually like the inks more so than the paint with thinner and cool ill try it and post flicks wen i make a new mop

im gonna look for some green pens or something cuz im wanting like a slimy booger green ink

[(SoS)Viruz]

Yo havent posted in here in a while. But Soy Sauce works pretty good as a stainer. But I recommend you stock up on your base ink befor you start to add stainers. Just because you'r ink needs to be solid.

You can also order Ink to use on your Ink here on BS. Like I mixed up some Zombie,****,and a lil of that ink that comes in the Master Peice marker.(i had the refill) Then i added my Strainers, Such as Cool aid, Soy Sauce, Steal Stainer or what ever its called. And my Ink is Thick and pure black. but Now Im working on a red and Green ink. You can also get Pigment to color your ink.

[HëRbN]

what up man? been a minute.

[(SoS)Viruz]

what up man? been a minute.

Whats good Homie. But me nothin chillin really, Sketchin and waiting for the weather to calm down. A yo you need to hit me up on the Myspace sometime.

[Queezy]

Kool Aid doesn't stain it's basically a dye, Soy sauce doesn't add much stain also unless your trying to hit up t-shirts.

[(SoS)Viruz]

It depends. If you have a weak ink and Soy as you main stainer then yes its a Weak Stainer. Barley even stains. But once you get a mix going it can make a deffernce.

[bak]

wats a good stainer other than ur average dot 3?

[HëRbN]

dot 3 doesnt stain. it simply extends the drying time allowing the staining agent to soak in ans set longer.

Meth blue
potas. permagrate
pvc primer
dyes (leather, shoe,ect)

[bak]

good shit thanks

fun thread

[Queezy]

True SOS, the only time I used soy in a mix was when I was toy at making ink. I'll have to try it now that my mixes are dank.

[bountyhunter113]

dot 3 doesnt stain. it simply extends the drying time allowing the staining agent to soak in ans set longer.

Meth blue
potas. permagrate
pvc primer
dyes (leather, shoe,ect)
malachite green
iodine
genetian violet

[T-jay]

im thinking about buying some leather dye to make make ink stain a little more but whats the best addative to make it more opaque(besides more pens)
oh and whats the best store to buy leather dye and whats the price usually

[skull-e]

I heard you can put a bit of elmers white glue, but I'd have to double check.

[T-jay]

what would it do?

[skull-e]

oh shit, I thought you wanted to thicken your ink, my bad.

[Azul]

What should my ratio be? I have
Acetone
Dot 3
papermate pens

[skull-e]

-80 papermate ballpoint pens
-1 cup of isoprophyl 90% alchol
- a cap of dot 3 brake fluid

(you can also use acetone)

[eyeneversleep]

i got 80 pens, 90% alchol, and a cap of dot 3..how much pvc primer should i use in this mix^^

[(SoS)Viruz]

i got 80 pens, 90% alchol, and a cap of dot 3..how much pvc primer should i use in this mix^^

Thats the Basics, But you got the Point.

For Ever 80 Pens, add 1 cup of 90% Alcohol or Higher into the Mix. But as Break Fluid Gose just one cap. As some one stated befor.

But after you get done with your basic mix you should start looking for stainer and colors and pigmensts and stuff. To futer more make your ink dope.

[HëRbN]

eyenever- either a 3/4 alc 1/4 primer, or anything really but if you add a full cup alc and then primer it will make your ink thinner so replace some of the alc w the primer, or just use primer instead of alc

generally i like 100 pens to a cup of solvent, and acetone will work better than alcohol. PVC primer can also be used in place of alcohol, it will work better too. and be careful not to use much dot 3. itll ruin a whole batch if you get to much

[eyeneversleep]

i made a small batch today just to try it out. I used 30 pens( mixed blue and red), the green 70%,and pvc primer. Dont remeber the exact amount( i have them wrote down) but it turned out a really nice purple..i did a buff test with it and do em dirty outdoors and mine seemed to stain harder but im not gonna say it did until i do more test.. i got some rit dye powder stuuf toady in black,blue,and red. Would this be good to add to the ink??

[HëRbN]

rit dye is eh.

30 pens to how much liquid?

[Facedorateur]

What does adding pigments do (lets say black), does it just make the mix morwe opaque?

[HëRbN]

yes depending on the pigment and how well it mixes with your base and such

[T-jay]

im thinking about buying some leather dye to make make ink stain a little more but whats the best addative to make it more opaque(besides more pens)
oh and whats the best store to buy leather dye and whats the price usually
bump for anwsers

[Azul]

-80 papermate ballpoint pens
-1 cup of isoprophyl 90% alchol
- a cap of dot 3 brake fluid

(you can also use acetone)
how do I get this fucker out of my carpet? I got a huge splodge of it on ym carpet... >.<

[ANDRO]

i made my first home made batch. I used a half cup 91% alcohol, 40 cheapo pens (20 black, 10 red, 10 blue), i put about 2 capfuls of grog in, a tiny bit of break fluid, and finished it off with a tiny bit of soy sauce. I filled up an ****artltd mop last night and ran that bitch dry. ill post some pictures of the results later today.


^^ ohh and LOL to the guy above me ^^

[brandonb5269]

alcohol and acrylics dont mix to well. it ends up breaking down the paint just to let u no. take them out and sounds like u got a decent ink. do sum research on pigments and how to suspend them proporly and add them to ur ink;)

[provinT13]

Question. With 90 black papermate pens, 1 cup of rubbing alcohol, should I add in some pilot ink and how much? What about rit dye?

[KSFone]

how do I get this fucker out of my carpet? I got a huge splodge of it on ym carpet... >.<

your not getting that out of your carpet, your best idea would be to cover it up and try to get it out daily, sorry bro

[bomb tha world]

I just made my first basic ink like 2 minutes ago im gonna let it sit overnight and see how it turns out... 40 papermate black pens 1/2 cup of 91% rubbing alcohol and a cap of dot3 nothing special :/

[Vagrant]

Question. With 90 black papermate pens, 1 cup of rubbing alcohol, should I add in some pilot ink and how much? What about rit dye?

Def add in some pilot ink! Pilot ink is pigmented, and alcohol based. This means it will mix perfectly with your pen ink, because isopropylnol and alcohol mix well. The best part about adding the pilot ink is because its pigmented.
Your pen ink is going to be dye based, which usually fades in the sun. But black pigments won't fade. Having the pilot ink in there will give you a very very nice black ink that will also stain well.
My only suggestion for an ink of this nature is to get some DOT3 Brake Fluid. This will increase the dry time of the ink and allow the dyes to stain better.
No Rit Dye. It can react with the solvents and give off a gas which, when its in a sealed container, will keep building up.

[H3TT1NG3R]

^what alcohol is pilot ink based? pm me if you know soem ingredients to it!

[Vagrant]

i actually didn't know exactly, but i found out.
i'll pm you

[Facedorateur]

One thing to replace pen ink:
grab some india/china ink
boil it until you have this black gelatin like stuff (its gonna smell like shit tho)
add your isopropanol
let it sit for a night
and you are set

[zenne]

how do I get this fucker out of my carpet? I got a huge splodge of it on ym carpet... >.<

your carpets pretty much done. never do anything around carpet. if thats that carpet thats like covering a room ans sealed to the floor, then what you can do it take tiny scissors and cut bits off of the corners and cut the bits out of the stain, then carefully superglue clean bits in there. thats what i did when my hookah burned a hole in my carpet lol. it works if you take your time.

[brandonb5269]

movin my lab downstairs after ruining my carpet so bad i had to recarpet my room haha. will get pics when its all done :)

[MARTYRaz]

prolly shoulda thought ahead wen u decided to make some ink....lols^^

[brandonb5269]

yea haha i needed new carpet anyways, it was like 20 years old and just worn out, well i always workd on my desk were theres a big plastic thing under it so i can roll around on my chair. no real spills ever. well i was watching my sisters dogg for the weekend, made up sum ink, got up cuz i forgot the lid to the container in the kitchen, brought the jar with me ended up trippin on the damn dogg and spilled a salsa jar filled with ink on my carpet haha. i was more pissed that my first greenish colord ink was wasted

[malto]

Whats something I can add into acrylic paint to make it dry faster ?

[Siner]

I wanted to make some white ink, but I don't know what I could use for the white, like obviously with black you can just use pens for the black, but what can you use for the white when making white ink?

[noxi]

just buy white marsh

[malto]

Is there anything to add into acrylic to make it dry faster ? Yes I know its shit paint but I couldntget any alcohol to make ink or bucket paint.

[HëRbN]

acrylic dries really fast on its own

[H3TT1NG3R]

acrylic dries pretty slow. add some alcohol if you want.
but its not like anyones gunna buff your shit in the like 1 hour it takes to dry

[*NGONE*]

to make white u can take paint and thin it. just mess around with it

[Haxpax]

This is probably a pretty retarded question but I didn't know where else to ask...How do you go about getting the ink out of pens for ink recipes...If you use regular bics or whatever the ink is in a little plastic tube...Can someone please shed some light on how one goes about doing this...Thanks...

[*NGONE*]

so once u have the tube u can cut into like three peices. then u add it to ur bottle with the rubbing alchol. keep doing this until have enough.

ps: u need alot of pens and wear gloves!

[noxi]

wowowooww go look in the ink recipe thread. put it in alcohol

[Siner]

You pull the ink tube out off the pen and cut it in half and pull off the ball point end, throw them all in a container, add your alcohol. The alcohol will let the ink bleed out of the tubes, and just shake it up too.

[Haxpax]

Ok thanks...That's what i figured...Sorry for the retarded question

[*NGONE*]

its cool. u gotta start somewhere

[Haxpax]

What color PVC Primer are you supposed to use in a basic ink recipe?

Cause I found some clear in my garage...

[*NGONE*]

just use rubbing alchohol, break fluid, and pens.

[klic]

i spilled my homemade ink everywhere the other day, it look about ten minutes of scrubbing to get it off my hands

[MARTYRaz]

just use rubbing alchohol, break fluid, and pens.
fail....got the idea rite but no no for just rubbing alc...denatured or isopropyl

at haxpax....pvc primer is a very good ink base and would do way better than alcohol....just do bout 100 pens to 3/4 cup of pvc primer and ull have a good opague ink to fuck around with...maybe add a smidge of dot 3 to slow the dry time...


and at klic....did u try washing ur hands with the base of ur ink??? i use watever based i was using and just dump some on ur hands and rub....save u the hour of scrubbing....

[Zase]

so noone uses printer ink with pigment powder?

[..romero..]

so noone uses printer ink with pigment powder?

your trippin thinking i have that kind of money haha.

[Hyphy]

Which ink recipe is good for black, opaque, solid lines? No drips.

[skull-e]

if you want a good ink that doesnt drip, You have to buy ti, but get the molotow coversall ink

[MARTYRaz]

ne ink will drip if u let it....if u make ink itll drip...if u buy ink itll drip...all depends on the marker and how u use it...

[intifada]

i need to get a cheap lil table to make an ink lab in my room

[malto]

So me and my boy found some random jars of ink in this stationery shop and so he grabbed some. We came back to my place and filled up an empty marker with it. After he juiced the nib up it worked fine, but then after a while it ended up looking all watery. Does he just need to shake it up some more before he uses it or what? And also is there anything that makes inks dry faster ?

[artFreak]

acrylic dries pretty slow. add some alcohol if you want.
but its not like anyones gunna buff your shit in the like 1 hour it takes to dry

LOL, it happens... I work at a nice asian restaurant, and I go into the bathroom and it reeks of alcohol. Anyway some bitch with a big mop decided to put the lamest tag I have ever seen in person across the whole wall. I couldn't even read it, but they spent a lot of time on little stars and arrows and shit. I guess they haven't learned that a bigger marker does not make a better tag... I was pissed cause it took me like almost 10 minutes to get rid of it...lol

[malto]

So me and my boy found some random jars of ink in this stationery shop and so he grabbed some. We came back to my place and filled up an empty marker with it. After he juiced the nib up it worked fine, but then after a while it ended up looking all watery. Does he just need to shake it up some more before he uses it or what? And also is there anything that makes inks dry faster ?

Bump? *Its been a couple days since anyone posted here.

[Siner]

If you posted pics of the jars the ink came in, like with the labels, dependind what the base of the ink is, people in here could probaly help you more.

[malto]

Oh damn sorry.
I'll ask again, another time then. Because I dont know what base it is etc. since when my mate saw it he took it out of the box then put it in his pocket or whatever (because the box was big and would of been obvious). And the jar has nothing helpful on it. Its just a jar. I'll try to go back and get some in a couple of days.

[ILoveWinnipeg]

I have a question, I made one and a halve cups of pen ink and I wanted to add some re-burnt paper to it. So how much should I add, and how to I go around making it? I assume you just burn paper.

[MARTYRaz]

burn it twice...hence the name RE-burnt paper...just put enuf to thiken it up...i wouldnt use reburnt paper tho....doesnt flow too good in a marker but in a mop its allrite... i would use dryed up india ink instead...

[ILoveWinnipeg]

Alright, thanks.

[thebigman]

any flicks of some of this ink used?

[Aced]

Hey guys, I try not to post around here and just search my answers up, but there is sooooo much to sift through D:

OK, I'm looking to make some inks using leather dye and methyl orange, iodine, Gentian Violet, methylene blue, etc...and I'm just wondering how much to use?

I know I should experiment, but I can't find any of that stuff around here (and I haven't found a way to rack things off the internet yet :D) so its gonna get expensive to just be guesstimating here.

Any input is appreciated, thanks guys!

[neu92com]

ghd mk3,ghd mk4 hair straighteners,2008 new-pink ghd IV styler kiss hair straighteners store. (http://www.neu92.com/)

[Noddles912300]

Leather dyes etc. You can find cheap stuff at supermarkets. For better quality stuff, I found some at a shoe repair store.
Iodine- Drug store under first aid. Near alcohol and hydrogen peroxide
Methylene blue- I found it at a petstore in fish department.
Also check the ink recipe thread in tools and tips.

I made some pen ink but, drying time takes too long. Anyway to speed it up? Ink is alcohol base with just black pens and bit of left over 0ink ink

[HëRbN]

did you use a high alc content? cause if its just pens and alc it shouldnt take to long to dry.

[HëRbN]

Ok just gunna bump some old info for the newer peeps that dont feel like reading the rest of this thread.

If you gunna use Alc make sure its ATLEAST 91% the higher the better and even 91 kinda sucks.
A few much better choices are:

Acetone (nail polish remover) = Hardware store, smaller bottles elsewhere
Naptha (Concentrated Lighter fluid) = Hardware store
*PVC primer (mainly comes in Purple and clear) = Hardware store
*This is my favorite base

The more pens the better, its hard to add to many. ATLEAST 100 to a cup is my minimum
A few additives that work well:
Leather Dye - shoe stores ect
Shoe Polish - take a guess
Methylene Blue - fish/pet shops
Malachite Green - your mom
Ect...


Base inks- To make a base ink get your pens and you PVC primer(my favorite) and make a large batch of a very basic bare bones ink. This way you can make small batches and try new things and run buff tests to see what works and what doesnt.

All of this should get you on your way. Questions welcome

Edit - Dot 3... If you dont have anything thats a good stainer there is not alot of point. The reason people like it is because it slows the drying time slightly or way too much depending on how much you add. The idea is to let the ink soak into the surface longer so that it has more time to stain. Some people are all about it some people think its pointless.. i usually dont use it.

[Noddles912300]

I used 91% alc, and 72 black pens. The ink its self dries, but the pen ink that is left is still smearable. It takes an hour or more for it to dry completely.

[malto]

I doubt its gunna be buffed an hour after you use it anyway.

[proNYNJA]

okay then i'll keep it alive wit my nub questions.

okay if i make ink with 40 Bic pens and half a cup of alcohol, how will the ink turn out?
also if i make this batch will i somehow be able to fit it in a 12 oz. bottle while mixing it?
cuz i couldnt find any jars around my house.

and erm wat will happen to your ink if you use anything less than 90% alcohol?

[proNYNJA]

ohhhhh one more someone above said Aceton will work, my mom has a lot of that shit around the house but is there a certain amount you need liek the 91% alcohol?

[.jug.]

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa70/damonnabors/SN850128.jpg

[proNYNJA]

^^that helps me alot thnx.^^

[CrustOner]

Dumbass. Not every post after yours will be in reference to you. but yes, 91% works best.

[HëRbN]

same ratio of acetone to pens as alc. More i would use way more than 40... the more the better. anything below 91 alc isnt really anywhere near as good, it will work but the ink wont turn out as good.


...how many ounces are in a cup? answer that one your self

[proNYNJA]

iight. 8oz. = 1 cup i found out lol thank god for google.

[proNYNJA]

oh no this thread is gunna die time to ask a nutha nubbie question, okay i know this has notthing to do with the ink but..
were do you guys get all those tiny little bottles with mops on top? like the bottles under 5oz.

[ILoveWinnipeg]

Bump this thread.

[THEGREATSOUTHERNTRENDKILL]

oh no this thread is gunna die time to ask a nutha nubbie question, okay i know this has notthing to do with the ink but..
were do you guys get all those tiny little bottles with mops on top? like the bottles under 5oz.

4oz bottle, circular nib, squeezable? Michaels has them in the stamp section. it will say something like stamp cleaner on it. its a clear bottle, empty it out and rinse with water and your good to go.

i got a question, are there any retail stores that sell methyl orange?

another question, i just put some 91% in my jar that had just a tiny bit of resin, and it turned brown... has this happened to anyone before? is it safe to continue? i dont want to waste 100 pens and whatever else i decide to add.

[HëRbN]

What sort of resin? like weed resin? lol your probly fine should be nothing in it that would mess up your ink. Also you may think about going to PVC primer as a base rather than alc. you can thank me later.
as far as methyl orange not that im aware of. Do you know whats its primary use is?

[proNYNJA]

im out of alcohol but i found a big ass bottle of acetone under my moms sink
the ingredients are Acetone,water, vitamin E, hydrolyzed wheat protein, Lalolin Oil, Perfume, Blue 1, and red 33 dye.
any1 know whut will happen if i use this as a thinner?

[THEGREATSOUTHERNTRENDKILL]

methyl orange is mentioned on the first page. found in chem. sets, its a Ph indicator.

i believe i will look into pvc primer, thanks.

acetone will eat through some plastics so be careful proninja

[The Most Sadistic]

What do you guys add to your pen inks to prevent it from fading/weathering? So far all I got is boiled down India ink. Looking for more options...

[HëRbN]

Pro - Acetone is good on its own but the fact that water is an ingredient is a bad sign. What is the product? But it will eat through some plastics but not really fast enough to be a big deal most the time, ive used it in lots of markers with out a problem. You may want to try boiling it down to get rid of the water but itll probly stink. And make sure you did it in a ventilated room.

The great - oh yeah lol. I dont really know where youde find it then, either on the internet or somewhere that sells stuff that would need to be ph tested. Pools and aquariums are what comes to mind but i dont know that either one of those kinda places sell it. Let us know if you find it. H3tt might know.

When it comes to Pen ink, it fades like a mofo in the sun. Boiled down india works, if you can get your hands on some marsh or pilot or garvey they will help with that, Its hard to make an ink weather proof though. H3tt talked about some chemical that was found in sun block but idk about all that, he gets tech lol. But the more opaque and concentrated your ink is the better it will hold up depending on the base and additives.Let me look into it more and see what i can find.

[Aced]

What sort of resin? like weed resin?

Lol, I cleaned out some of my bowls with the ISO once, and then just used it in my ink :D

Anyways...I have a bunch of tie-dye dye in my house from a few years ago. Is this useful at all? It stains clothes pretty well, but IDK how mixing green powder into my black base ink would work. Any input on this?

Does anyone know anything about squid ink? I don't mean the brand, I mean the actual ink that comes out of squids. It seems like it wouldn't be too good, but its tempting just for the novelty value lol.

Edit: Also; does anyone have some pics of that candy ink stuff? And, will it eat through my mops since is xylene based?

[The Most Sadistic]

When it comes to Pen ink, it fades like a mofo in the sun. Boiled down india works, if you can get your hands on some marsh or pilot or garvey they will help with that, Its hard to make an ink weather proof though. H3tt talked about some chemical that was found in sun block but idk about all that, he gets tech lol. But the more opaque and concentrated your ink is the better it will hold up depending on the base and additives.Let me look into it more and see what i can find.

Thanks for the info, except I've heard garvey is more for staining/bleeding through and fades in the sun pretty badly too. I don't have any first hand experience, though. Just what I read on the net.

When a handstyle fades a shit load, does it just keep fading untill it's completely gone or will it just look like shit and still be legible. Honestly, if my faded handstyles are still legible I could care less. This new batch of pen ink I just made I threw in some Higgins Eternal and it seems a lot more opaque then the last batch. I also used 91% alc instead of 70% which made a good diference in opaqueness, too.


Another question. Is there anything I can add to my inks to get a lighter color? For example, lets say I have dark purple ink. Is there anything I can add to it to get it to be violet/pink without sacrificing opaqueness? All I have read so far is to mix the ink into white rusto oil based paint, but I've never tried mixing ink into paint before. If anyone knows the exact process on correctly mixing alc based ink into oil based paint, please share.

[HëRbN]

i dont ever mix ink and paint but it can be done. you could also try getting a bunch of red pens and adding them to the mix. or a non acrylic caligraphy ink could work to for some color. Neither of those would effect opaqueness.

And your right about the garvey and no when pen ink fades it dissapears, unless it metallic i made a metallic blue and after awhile in the sun it faded out but you could still read the sparkles lol

[The Most Sadistic]

Does the calligraphy ink help from fading too? I added some Higgins eternal to my new batch. I didn't boil it down though I just poured it in there because my ink was already kinda thick to begin with. It says it's permanent carbon writing ink for fountain pens and calligraphy pens and its water based.

[The Most Sadistic]

I just added a good amount of old flowpen ink I had laying around to my pen ink recipe. This will help it hold up to fading/weather, right? Because I've heard flowpen ink sucks vs the buff but it will last if no one touches it.

[zxcvbnmjm]

hey
first post :D

i made ghetto krink today
1 part thinner and 2 parts paint (i dont have rusto in australia so i used something similar)
but i put a bit too much thinner now it is too thin
is there anything i can do to thicken it instead of buying more paint?
becasue paint here is very expensive
500ml is 20 bucks
and paint thinner is 15 bucks
:S
thanks

[zxcvbnmjm]

actually nah dont worry
turns out it was too thick not too thin
aha
silly me

by the way it was the first time i ever made ghetto krink
i usually make the pen ink one

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Any info on using tie dye? HëRbN your the fuckin' man when it comes to this stuff. Any ideas?

[HëRbN]

Sadistic, yeah the flow pen ink should help, also the cali ink will help it not fade as much as well but you should have boiled it down or let it evap, cause what can happen if theres to much water in an ink is when you write with it it can bead up and wont give you smooth lines.

Cant say that ive ever used tye die. While it stains clothes and fabric i kinda doubt it would be much of a stainer on metal or something less porous. It works so well on fabric because fabric naturally soaks it up and holds the color. Not gunna happen with a metal sign lol. Although you could experiment using it as a color additive and get a different staining agent added to you ink like meth blue or gen green or the like. i have a feeling its more than like water based though so i would let it sit out or boil it down and see what happens. If its a liquid that is, if its a powder give it a shot. One thing to think about it not all powders with mix into all liquids, for example you mix it with water and it will come out a smooth liquid, mix it with alcohol and it will probably come out grainy



This kinda stuff is why i said its best to make a simple large batch of "Base Ink" then you can add one ingredient and compare it to the base to see what effects it had. for example you could put i line of base ink on an electrical box in the sun and one next to it with boiled down cali ink and see how much more fade resistant it is

[The Most Sadistic]

Sadistic, yeah the flow pen ink should help, also the cali ink will help it not fade as much as well but you should have boiled it down or let it evap, cause what can happen if theres to much water in an ink is when you write with it it can bead up and wont give you smooth lines.


Word. Guess I got lucky this time because it writes decent. I'll definitely boil it down next time, though. Theres really no danger in boiling down water based inks like there is with alcohol based is there?

[proNYNJA]

whut u guys think about adding nail polish to pen ink?

[FLIP FLOP]

i doubt they will mix, and nail polish scrapes off easily.

[The Most Sadistic]

I've read nail polish is alcohol based so in theory it should work. Try it out and post pics.

[zxcvbnmjm]

what can be added to ghetto krink to make it stain harder or make it better in any way?
thanks

[rsonone cdk]

nail polish remover makes pen ink stain like a bitchhhhhh add a bit of dot3 and ur set to go permanetly stain some shit

[rsonone cdk]

by permanetly i dont mean against weather

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I tried with the tie dye, turns out your right...it needs water to be absorbed. I mixed it into the alcohol for like 10 minutes with no luck. I added a tiny splash of water in and BAM, no mixing, pure green.

I'm wondering now, what would happen if I were to evaporate all the water off. Think I'd be left with just un-colored rubbing alcohol? Any ideas about how to evaporate water off without evaping alcohol? Boiling maybe?

Also; any ideas how they made OTR ink? Thats really my most favorite shit. I love their colors, I'd kill to make it. I don't care how much it'd cost to make it, I just want to really bad. I'm willing to invest quite a bit, it would pay for itself over time :/ I know its alcohol based, but I have no idea what kind of pigment they use.



ALSO! About the nail polish - I gave that a shot in one of my (almost) used up Junobo mops, and it turned it to goo instantly. No more flowing, just glue. I was pulling it out and it was solid, almost like hard spaghetti. The nailpolish on its own might have been OK, but I'd cut it with some alcohol and don't mix it in an old junobo mop lmao. I got it cleaned out, but the nib is ruined now.

[The Most Sadistic]

I'm sure it has been tried before, but I haven't seen to many people talk about it. Can you make a paint mixture that stains decent? What oil based additives stain besides wood stain?

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After an entire days worth of research, I have found out how to ghetto-make some really sweet ink. It might take a little bit of trying, but it is totally worth it.

Purple ink:

"Denatured alcohol" at your local hardware store

and

"Basic Violet 1"

That is exactly what purple garvy is. The amounts, I am unsure of, but I'm sure it would be easy to figure out once you have the ingredients infront of you. I haven't successfully found any basic violet 1 online just yet...er, well, I DID, but they only offer it in 500 kilo lots haha. I'll keep looking and get back to you guys though!

[H3TT1NG3R]

yea....
if you go buy gentian violet rystals might as well add it to some acetone, and then mix in som pigmented ink

[Werse]

Add nailpolish to pen ink, bleed trhough like fuck.

[H3TT1NG3R]

pen ink on its own bleeeds through.
nail polish just adds some pigment, it doenst have any dyes.

it might make it flow wierd too if you add too much

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So now that I've got the garvy down, any ideas what I could add in to make it fade-proof?

[H3TT1NG3R]

so you actually ordered the basic violet crystals?

pm me

[Werse]

Cant explain it, its way different.
And it made it thicker, so the drips are straight, and not are gross like with thin ink.

[The Most Sadistic]

Take pics!

[Werse]

http://i42.tinypic.com/24fh6ag.jpg

[ReallyTrustFullStrangers]

steal ink.

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so you actually ordered the basic violet crystals?

pm me

Not just yet, I'm trying to find a place that will sell me small quantities. I'll let you know when I find somewhere though!

[HëRbN]

Word. Guess I got lucky this time because it writes decent. I'll definitely boil it down next time, though. Theres really no danger in boiling down water based inks like there is with alcohol based is there?

It should write fine with water it just tends to get buffed easier

Not other than making a mess if it bubbles and depending on the ink it could smell kinda funky lol you can usually just leave it out for awhile though to i did and it didnt take that long to become a runny sludge.

[zxcvbnmjm]

can you mix acrylic paint with india ink?
because they are both water based?

[THEGREATSOUTHERNTRENDKILL]

any suggestions for making a redish orange (rust colored) ink?