REVOK MSK BUCKET TKO ARRESTED fr Internet...

[GeSuS_KRiST]

Yo so bucket and revok got pinched thanks to youtube, just more proof be smart about you shit online heres some articals...


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"Revok" is a prolific graffiti artist who also has a heavy presence on YouTube (see video below). As it turns out, the two might not go so well together. As KNBC reported here (http://www.knbc.com/news/17008212/detail.html), Indio police arrested J********** in Los Angeles last week on vandalism charges after they traced fingerprints from various tags and street art back to the L.A-based Williams. Most of the tagging in question apparently took place during the Coachella music festival.
Revok is not a small-timer. He appears in a number of online videos about graffiti, including at least one where he spraypaints a wall himself -- and others where he is interviewed and profiled as a well-known Southland graffiti artist. In this video interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpu901BckIg), Revok says, "More than half my life now has been spent doing graffiti. I've gone to jail I don't know how many times, had people trying to kill me. There's really no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for that."

The graffiti in many of the YouTube videos is ornate and expertly rendered. Revok is clearly a talented artist. But ...
"No matter what you call it," an Indio police spokesman told KNBC, "it's defacing public and private property.''
For repeat offenders, felony vandalism (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=27381313938+1+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve) (for damage greater than $400) is punishable by a jail term of up to one year, a fine of up to $5,000, or both. Not what you would call a pot of gold.

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“Buket” is one of Los Angeles’ most prolific taggers - but he doesn’t exactly work in the shadows.
The tagger is featured in several heavily viewed YouTube videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywOZPO5VJy8) defacing signs and buses. His most popular video - with nearly 170,000 page views - shows him scaling an overpass of the Hollywood Freeway near Melrose Avenue and tagging the structure as traffic speeds below.
Authorities say Buket’s moniker had adorned hundreds of freeway overpasses, concrete walls and transit buses across the state and southern Nevada. He is believed responsible for upward of $150,000 in property damage along the Los Angeles River and in the areas patrolled by the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department.
But sheriff’s deputies said today that “Buket,” whose real name is C*********** could be out of commission for quite a while.
The 24-year-old man was detained this morning when he showed up to meet his probation officer. He is expected to be booked on multiple charges of felony vandalism, sheriff’s officials said.
Law enforcement deals with hundreds of taggers across the city. But it is how and when Yazdani chooses to vandalize property that has earned him special attention from law enforcement, said Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Sgt. Augie Pando.
“It’s blatant disregard for other people’s property,” Pando said.
Rather than work clandestinely or under cover of darkness, sheriff’s deputies say Buket prefers an in-your-face approach.
Another daylight attack captured on video appears (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4t2vULx8yk) to show “Buket” applying his moniker to an MTA bus as passersby and passengers watch in surprise.
The Internet, whether it’s YouTube or social networking sites, is helping fuel a new explosion in graffiti tagging, albeit with editing and soundtracks. But investigators say it also is helping them build better cases against the vandals.
Earlier this year, another prolific tagger, Gustavo Romero, was sentenced to a year in jail for etching his “Guser” moniker on dozens of Metro buses.
Romero, 23, of South Los Angeles, caused at least $108,000 in damage to property over a two-year period. He pleaded guilty to 49 felony charges.

http://www.youtube.com/v/_kd--jxUYAI&hl=en&fs=1

[SageOner]

Thats completly fucked
Dumbass pigs taking it to far dude
Guess its a lesson..

I saw a bunch of his shit when i was goin through south central on vacation

[RetroLikeWhoa13]

"Just Be Safer" Is The Moral Of The Story Here.

[Roolete]

fingerprinting tags? how does one go about doing that?

[GeSuS_KRiST]

Thats completly fucked
Dumbass pigs taking it to far dude
Guess its a lesson..

I saw a bunch of his shit when i was goin through south central on vacation
do you have any fucking clue how much damage both of those writers have caused the state?
there stupid for posting there fucking face and having shit that can be linked back....

[JETPACK!!]

just when you felt on top of the world.. that's a kick in the nuts.

word gesus

[SageOner]

Its starting to happen alot these days
Police and shit are picking up the scrapped cans we leave out
and takin prints and shit
or taking them off stuff we climb

Wear gloves or Pickup yer scrap shit

[GeSuS_KRiST]

fingerprinting tags? how does one go about doing that?
it said that he had been to jail before im guessing the matched the face with the prints in the system and the ip adress of the youtube videos he posted with the address on the arrest record for the warrent... that just my guess..

[SageOner]

do you have any fucking clue how much damage both of those writers have caused the state?
there stupid for posting there fucking face and having shit that can be linked back....

Werd up though dude
I totally agree

[GeSuS_KRiST]

um i dont think the la time is talkin shit...

[fonone]

nah i meant when the guy said taking prints from the tags... but in the time i entered this page and when i replied about 6 people had replied.. so yeah it probs happened like you said

[smile_]

thats fucking stupid. :rolleyes:seriously, they aren't breaking the walls.. just putting some color and words on them. but they should of covered there faces... hmm, btw do you think you could get caught by getting vinyl stickers pressed?

[Roolete]

there stupid for posting there fucking face and having shit that can be linked back....

no disrespect but this is kind of hypocritical coming from you, because we've all seen you posting your face all over the site and you say you're high up on the vandal list or whatever they call it over there.

[sickone]

neither is known gallery saying shit... how long is revok going to pend in jail?

[SageOner]

Yea, Like I said
Ive read about it happening over in Tdot

Fingerprinting is a bit much to catch us
wouldnt you say

[GeSuS_KRiST]

To Roolete

yeah and if i get cought its my own fault but im not fuckin msk or tko

as for being up when in the past 2-3 years have u heard me STILL claim that shit?

i started showing my face when i stoped seriously paintin.... im not a fucking idiot, so check the facts homie

[SageOner]

neither is known gallery saying shit... how long is revok going to pend in jail?

Well it says repeat offenders face up to a year
And hes been arrested before for graff and drug charges i believe
so probably anytime from 6 months to 3 years
Plus ALOT of community service and probation

[mollesinKiddies]

wordup it's all about doing video interviews. bigup the kid with powerrangers on here, too.

[Roolete]

gesus i remember it bein mentioned someonwhere thats all. but yeah they were bein pretty stupid by postin their faces and shit

[GeSuS_KRiST]

all good im not thats stupid man i hung up my bombing shoes after it landed me in a wheel chair for 6 month as well as in jail for 6 months and a damn good amount of money...

[SageOner]

all good im not thats stupid man i hung up my bombing shoes after it landed me in a wheel chair for 6 month as well as in jail for 6 months and a damn good amount of money...

werrdd
There gonna keep upping the penalties
Its not AS bad up here in Canada
Punishments in the US are harsh

But once Canada ups the Spray paint age bylaws
The punishments are going up to

[AnteUp]

wheelchair? what you mean gesus?

dudes needa stay off youtube. and be more careful even on bs.

[Kayone707]

Revok on myspace at 10:15pm in the county jail?
dont think so
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4748/freega7.jpg
i doubt he's locked up
but what do i know?

[SageOner]

Probably released on promise to appear or something

[Mr yarbles]

When you put that much shit up why go and fucking show your face on youtube?
It's fucking stupid.
These guys are good but they deserve
They shouldn't have slipped up and now they're paying the price.

[GeSuS_KRiST]

lol kay u know what really going on with that there going to have his friends and fam on saying its not him while hes locked up.. i wouldnt be supprised with some big hit came up while he was in jail with a video to go along with it to fuck up the jury and things he can use in court sence he didnt get roped in the process of the crime and now after all the show and 7th and dvds im sure hes making money off his clothing enough for a decent lawyer... but i dont kow

an ante i fell a few stories blowing apart both feet walls leving me in a wheel chiar for a bit a few eyars ago

[Proper]

Revok on myspace at 10:15pm in the county jail?
dont think so
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4748/freega7.jpg
i doubt he's locked up
but what do i know?

Lmaonaise.

BTW, I tried to add you on Myspace like 4 months ago. Thank you for accepting my friendship.

:(

[LostYouth]

i just hope they get off with some lesser charges

[PureSole]

Damn
Lesson learned?

[AnteUp]

jesus, gesus. damn... that must've been rough. glad you got through it, too bad your done with bombing though... :/

[-s|N-]

do you have any fucking clue how much damage both of those writers have caused the state?
there stupid for posting there fucking face and having shit that can be linked back....
word gesus

I remember hearing revok's real name in an interview in a magazine or on the web somewhere. guess they got caught up in the fame too much...

EDIT: how come others like saber or JA or toomer or any other cats get busted? it's not like their names are secrets.

[BIGel]

the most amazing part of this story is the end where they say guser copped to 49 felony charges!! thats insane, ive never heard of anybody being convicted of anything close to that number.

[LuStErOcKs]

stupid is as stupid does.

doubt revok is spending 1yr.
doubt hes even going to jail.
im sure he will get off on fee's

as for buket. hes prolly broke as fuck
so im sure hes serving a sentence+fees.

[nero112]

i feel sorry for bucket guy should just go to mexico for a few or some shit.. n as for revok well having your face on the cover of graphotism and shit aint exactly clever i thought he'd be careful being who he is n the amount of time both him and bucket have spent fuckin the city/citys whatever though that media story sensationalised quite a bit ... hope they get out although revok looks like he can handle himself in prison .. bucket will probs be shankin cunts

[EgoZen]

Damn, that is shit to hear!
Revok is definetly one of my favourite writers and has a great
attitude but I never thought or knew that he was so exposing himself!

fuck!

[Mass Appeal]

Well it isnt asiff we are going to stop seeing Revoks style. Lol.

[Jason Voorhies]

victims to the internet

[nero112]

sup jason musta sucked landing in that lake man but tell me how was space?

[BlobOner]

haha, i cant beleve that revok got busted because of a video interview he did for BOOST MOBILE

[atlok7]

F'd in the A as one would say

[artcrime99]

F'd in the A as one would say with no L

[Scheme*119]

you know for someone in such a profilic crew, you wouldnt expect this from him, revok is definatly a noteworthy writer, heres to hoping he doesnt go cold turkey after he gets out

[nero112]

his been in many times n had numerous charges so i doubt it why stop at that skill..

[atlok7]

thats like saying michael jordan would stop playing ball after he injured himself in the prime of his career. its just not gonna happen.

[nero112]

hahahaha

[Scheme*119]

point taken, but toomer of tko, almost everytime he does somthing his crib gets raided, not everyone has that kind of heart, im not doubting revok or anything, just voicing a thought

[EgoZen]

No I never was like searching on the net for the stuff of him etc...
I have just seen him in videos and liked his style...

[weak0ner]

FREEREVOKMSKFREEBUKETTKO
FREEREVOKMSKFREEBUKETTKO
FREEREVOKMSKFREEBUKETTKO
FREEREVOKMSKFREEBUKETTKO

[hammer_time]

fuck em' if they, or anyone else is soo dumb let em rot away in jail, at least it keeps dumbasses from ruining graffiti...
these are the end times, its gonna be soo incredibly heated in the next couple years, and it is pretty much the fault of the internet, inviting 12-15 year olds to write graff, how good do u honestly think a 12- 15 yo is gonna be at a life of crime?
its sad to watch graff go down

[nero112]

graff always been lead by the young guns who stick to it n make a name for themselves.. without the toys we have today we wont have the kings of tomorow its an ever evolving art one that will not stop nore ever stop it will have high points adn low points bu in the end art will not stop ever.

[Tekel]

YO all i got to say about this is, its bound to happen you wouldn't post a video of you smuggling drugs or robbing a bank why for graffiti? like graff is diffrent but dont show ur face and change ur voice. but the NYC vandal squad tried to catch Earsnot a while back saying that the Infany video what ever it was called he was shown clearly stealing tagging and then walking to his store? but his lawyer said that it wasnt him and they clearly thought it was the same person. so like who knows im sure they'l get a good lawyer to fix this shit out. community serves tho prolly somthing this big is bound to make the news and putting someone in jail for graffiti seems like a waste of state money aswell

[eatmyFUK]

seems like thier pinning everything to that fukn coachella shit...

BOOST MOBILE should be the ones shelling out the bread to get him out of this shit......didnt saber also do shit for boost mobile too?

[Tony]

BOOST MOBILE should be the ones shelling out the bread to get him out of this shit..


ding ding ding

and they could probably pay for johnny cochrane to be brought back from the dead.

he might get jail time if they really try and make an example out of him

[Slushi]

They should give him the chair. I mean if they really want to make an example out of him.

[skunkjuice]

does this shit not wake all you kids up? you're all runnin around with crew names in your signatures, aim screen names, links to your myspaces, animated gifs in your sigs, posting videos....

its the same shit as the youtube business. its all clues for people to track you with and build information databases on people.

wake up.

[GeSuS_KRiST]

seems like thier pinning everything to that fukn coachella shit...

yeah but anyone who was there cant deny that coachella was the shit =)

[nero112]

my sig is just a band honest:D and im an urban photographer none of its mine honest ... n damn you gesus your at evry good fest:mad:

[Fixion]

Damn dude, that sucks.

[hammer_time]

BOOST MOBILE should be the ones shelling out the bread to get him out of this shit......didnt saber also do shit for boost mobile too?

and i coulda swore i said something about corporations selling out writers for their own gain, ....where you @ c3zr?


slushi
your new sig made me lol

[eatmyFUK]

http://www.vimeo.com/1317601?pg=embed&sec=1317601

free REVOK

[nero112]

dude dont you know it isnt actually revok its some random ass guy they have..

[BIGel]

its pathetic how everybody who's been riding revoks dick for years jumps off the bandwagon and wants to nail him to the cross as soon as something like this happens. how many of you bought the war series? i bought them just for the msk shots, they made the videos. *****h was just trying to make a dollar and he was still the best thing to happen to graffiti in a long time. show the man some respect and worry about your own ass, revok's a grown man, im sure he knew the risks he was taking posting his shit out there, its a price you pay when graffiti is your LIFE and your LIVING, not a hobby like it is for 99 percent of us.

[CaseyJonesJR]

cant touch revok.

[Sadistic.Child]

cant touch revok.

the cops sure did

[sleeplessone]

all good im not thats stupid man i hung up my bombing shoes after it landed me in a wheel chair for 6 month as well as in jail for 6 months and a damn good amount of money...

amen to that, not being able to walk is the worst shit in the world, its rediculous how difficult the most simple shit is when you cant use your feet and you have to use your hands to move.
humbling to say the least.

[nero112]

my above post was kinda a hint but fuck lets just give the cops browsin a reason they got revok not the 1st time his been caught n all .. his a damn good writer not just in skillz , they been givin back to the comunity doin those murals n inspiring kids to pick up paint instead of a gat n now the media turn on em despite the lives they n evry other graffer out there has .. as for bucket that guy belongs in the concrete jungle ..im surprised he didnt fall of that ledge with the size of the balls he was dragin , props to em both n hope they make bail n what not

n also sleepless n gesus try no arms haha i broke both wrists i was like shit how do i wipe my ass :S pissed me off like fuck wouldnt mind if it was my legs cos i can do weelchair wheelies:D

[osnapizzel]

im not worried about revok at all, the man is a legend, probably has a good amount of money and is a pretty big nigg, him and saber both lol.

as for bucket....shit man it is what it is. if you gonna bomb hard then be prepared to get fucket through the system. thats just how it is.

night night keep your butthole tight!

[sleeplessone]

hahah damn nero, that would suck. tryin use the bathroom was difficult enough with just no feet, but hands... their kinda important elements in that shit. and i was all down with wheelchair wheelies untill i smashed the back of my head

in general losing the use of any set of limbs is inexpressibly shitty. type of thing you dont really realize untill it happens.

[nero112]

cant you just lift yourself onto the toilet lol?

[(SoS)Viruz]

all good im not thats stupid man i hung up my bombing shoes after it landed me in a wheel chair for 6 month as well as in jail for 6 months and a damn good amount of money...

I feel man it his own fault because he was stupid for puttin his face on youtube... Knowin' Pigs and other Gov't Ppl watchin' that shit look for Gang Clues Graff. Clues and Etc. Dose he watch TV to here those things. But this is a lesson to all, Watch what you post.... Watch your back and dont say or do any thing dumb while out or while on the net.. This is me being Very Serious. We have to look out for one any other.;)

[Mass Appeal]

its pathetic how everybody who's been riding revoks dick for years jumps off the bandwagon and wants to nail him to the cross as soon as something like this happens. how many of you bought the war series? i bought them just for the msk shots, they made the videos. *****h was just trying to make a dollar and he was still the best thing to happen to graffiti in a long time. show the man some respect and worry about your own ass, revok's a grown man, im sure he knew the risks he was taking posting his shit out there, its a price you pay when graffiti is your LIFE and your LIVING, not a hobby like it is for 99 percent of us.

This is all thats really needed to be said on this topic.

[LostYouth]

graffiti is a bitch if you get caught up in it now a days
in california you lose your liscence for one year mandatory i was reminded today
fuck the police, bottom line

[Mr yarbles]

It's not just youtube that he's shown himself on
He was on the cover of a mag if I remember right
and if you go to revok1.com it's the first thing you see
You'd think he'd be smarter than that.

[fOrSaQeN]

wow yeah buckets all over LA....cali for that matter.... thats not a good thing to hear.. :(

[~~>ANTIK<~~]

dude how come cope2 has never gotten caught?? wtf he has vids of his face while hes actually doin a throwie... hmmm...

[hammer_time]

because he's a fuckin cop

[cds_dogg665544]

just dont post graff on the internet it wack and played out.

[Clark_Wallabee]

.

[garbage down tha way]

i dont get it. from what i hear revok is only doing a year if that? HEK from cleveland just got pinched and he's getting 18 months for each individual tag/piece/throw hes got. Needless to say, that alot of fucking time.

[RetroLikeWhoa13]

only doing a year if that

a year is long as fuck when you actually have shit to do.
i dont think you can throw the word only around like that.

[Robbie P]

revok is going to be fine, he's going to lawyer up and get most of the charges dismissed. when alan ket got busted, the cops were threatening 30 charges. he got fined like 50,000 but he didn't do the 20+ plus years they were threatening. if no one actually admits to seeing revok in the act and can't proove it's him, nothing is going to happen.

[LostYouth]

oh yeah, what happened to KET?

[garbage down tha way]

a year is long as fuck when you actually have shit to do.
i dont think you can throw the word only around like that.


I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. 1 year is alot. BUT, 18 months PER individual tag/piece is alot more.

[its all good till the cops come]

word..they make a huge deal about the arrest and then they get off easy most of the time...i cant really say for sure..noone can but still..cmon..its revok...hes prob got money and lawyers up the ass..

[RetroLikeWhoa13]

agreed, but it is nothing to just throw into the wind is all.

[GeSuS_KRiST]

its pathetic how everybody who's been riding revoks dick for years jumps off the bandwagon and wants to nail him to the cross as soon as something like this happens. how many of you bought the war series? i bought them just for the msk shots, they made the videos. *****h was just trying to make a dollar and he was still the best thing to happen to graffiti in a long time. show the man some respect and worry about your own ass, revok's a grown man, im sure he knew the risks he was taking posting his shit out there, its a price you pay when graffiti is your LIFE and your LIVING, not a hobby like it is for 99 percent of us.
guess i should get a life thennn.... but the point of me posting this was to show people that internets no place for real graffiti you practically build your own evidence book as if it was your own blackbook by flicking everything u do and posting it and saying who you are ect ect ect... which is stupid if your actually out there doing shit, i posted this to hope that manybe it will influence some people to be a little bit smarter when it comes to being online

in other graff arrest news

"Portsmouth graffiti artist busted after posting photos of work on Web
July 22nd, 2008
PORTSMOUTH — A local graffiti artist’s online requests for feedback on his work ultimately landed him in hot water with police this month.

Thanks to those online postings, police arrested **** ****, 27, of 100 Ledgewood Drive for allegedly “tagging” numerous properties in the city.

Online postings of graffiti in the city with the tag “SINS” led to Hall’s arrest last month on seven counts of criminal mischief, including one felony for spray-painting buildings and road signs all over the city.

*** was arraigned on the charges Monday in Portsmouth District Court and ordered not to possess any paint products between now and his probable cause hearing.

**** allegedly spray painted numerous properties in the city in April and May, including the pump house of the pool at Portsmouth High School, the rear of the old Regal Cinema on Lafayette Road, the back door of the Green Monkey restaurant on Pleasant Street, the rear of the Waterstone Development, which houses the Goodwill, Shaw’s and other shops on Lafayette Road, at least two road signs and a traffic control box, police said.

**** is free on $2,500 personal recognizance bail.

According to a police report, Detective Robert Munson had seen the tag “SINS” around town, as well as in Manchester and along Route 101. He also received information that the person who spray painted the pump house had posted photographs on the Internet.

Munson found images of the vandalized property on a graffiti site called “Bombing Science” and was able to track them to Hall.

When arrested, **** admitted to the “SINS” tag, Munson said in his report.

****’s probable cause hearing is scheduled for Aug. 5.

http://www.graffnews.com/?p=321

[South-Pole]

guess i should get a life thennn.... but the point of me posting this was to show people that internets no place for real graffiti you practically build your own evidence book as if it was your own blackbook by flicking everything u do and posting it and saying who you are ect ect ect... which is stupid if your actually out there doing shit, i posted this to hope that manybe it will influence some people to be a little bit smarter when it comes to being online

in other graff arrest news

"Portsmouth graffiti artist busted after posting photos of work on Web
July 22nd, 2008
PORTSMOUTH — A local graffiti artist’s online requests for feedback on his work ultimately landed him in hot water with police this month.

Thanks to those online postings, police arrested **** ****, 27, of 100 Ledgewood Drive for allegedly “tagging” numerous properties in the city.

Online postings of graffiti in the city with the tag “SINS” led to Hall’s arrest last month on seven counts of criminal mischief, including one felony for spray-painting buildings and road signs all over the city.

*** was arraigned on the charges Monday in Portsmouth District Court and ordered not to possess any paint products between now and his probable cause hearing.

**** allegedly spray painted numerous properties in the city in April and May, including the pump house of the pool at Portsmouth High School, the rear of the old Regal Cinema on Lafayette Road, the back door of the Green Monkey restaurant on Pleasant Street, the rear of the Waterstone Development, which houses the Goodwill, Shaw’s and other shops on Lafayette Road, at least two road signs and a traffic control box, police said.

**** is free on $2,500 personal recognizance bail.

According to a police report, Detective Robert Munson had seen the tag “SINS” around town, as well as in Manchester and along Route 101. He also received information that the person who spray painted the pump house had posted photographs on the Internet.

Munson found images of the vandalized property on a graffiti site called “Bombing Science” and was able to track them to Hall.

When arrested, **** admitted to the “SINS” tag, Munson said in his report.

****’s probable cause hearing is scheduled for Aug. 5.

http://www.graffnews.com/?p=321

Bombingscience?
i'd love to see the pics then

to reply to this thread-
damn,i'd never thought that revok could get caught,the guy has his own clothing company and stuff,anyways im sure he could get out of this easly

[Enmity]

stupid is as stupid does.

doubt revok is spending 1yr.
doubt hes even going to jail.
im sure he will get off on fee's

as for buket. hes prolly broke as fuck
so im sure hes serving a sentence+fees.

yeh thats what i was thinking .. boost mobile videos . sponsorships .. they will want him out and painting again .. dude gets paid to paint .

[hammer_time]

sell-outs get what's coming to them........

karma at work......

shoulda kept it real.....

[Mr yarbles]

Cosigned^^^
He's becoming like cope
He wants people to recognize his face and go
"Oh your revok right!"

And yeah he's good
But there's a ton of other writers out there that ar really good and they don't show their faces.

Dumb example but look at guys like banksy
He's respected by a shitload of people and not just graffiti writers, I bet he would love to go to everyone and go hey I'm banksy
But he dosn't.

Oh yeah and be careful out there everyone, watch what you do it could come back and fuck you.

[garbage down tha way]

sell-outs get what's coming to them........

karma at work......

shoulda kept it real.....

Sellout? You should be happy for him. Not many people can call graffiti a career. He graduated from the game.

[G-Fat]

Damn, that is shit to hear!
Revok is definetly one of my favourite writers and has a great
attitude but I never thought or knew that he was exposing himself!

fuck!


haahhahahahahahaah

[hammer_time]

graffiti isnt a career......
the people who started this movement, did it as a fuck you to big corporations, the people trying to get your money, and take up public space with their capitalist bullshit.... and now i should be happy for him, he who is helping those, i had originally set out against? no fuckin way,
sellout?
yes, capitilizing off of one of the few pure things left in a perverted money grubbing society, is the very essence of sellout

[nero112]

total dickriding what you just said..thats how it should be im all for using art skill s n such to make a living but when evry company has a writer doin theyr logos its starts to give it a bad name because people dont understand it they just say 'like omg graff its appealing to me as a young person im gnna buy into your corparation' .. copes a bitch to he's been rockin that shit for 2 decades no progress not originality just suckin an old ass ny style like a thai hooker

[hammer_time]

cope was toy back in the day.....noone liked him thats why he hung with out cap, in the land of exile, he has just been more willing to prostitute himself and his culture, than any other writer....not to mention he's a piece of shit human being, shitty attitude, horrible father, i feel so bad for his daughter, liar, and snitch...
and as far as art and skill goes, sure go ahead, hell, i paint cars.... its not graff but it is skill and art.....

[nero112]

custom paint jobs .. pimp my ride?

n we all have a skill so fuck whocares if your job is doing what you love use letters to a certain extent use the knowledge you have of letter form for tattooing,shop fronts whatever but theres a lie alot of people have crossed whatever though revoks dope n unlike cope he atleast still hits shit n stays true ..n damn people focus some more on bucket crazy lil bastard hope he makes it outta prison

[Fube]

dont knock the hustle.

when u grow up what do people tell u to do?
they tell u to find something u love and do that.

id like to see all u people given the same opportunities if not half the opportunities as Revok and turn them down. no matter how your livin u could always use some extra bank and thats what hes doing.

"cash rules everything around me"

selling out? pfft thats living fool. get it when u can cus it aint gunna be there forever.

thats my feeling on it anyway.

[hammer_time]

dont knock the hustle.

when u grow up what do people tell u to do?
they tell u to find something u love and do that.

id like to see all u people given the same opportunities if not half the opportunities as Revok and turn them down. no matter how your livin u could always use some extra bank and thats what hes doing.

"cash rules everything around me"

selling out? pfft thats living fool. get it when u can cus it aint gunna be there forever.

thats my feeling on it anyway.

your right, it wont be there forever, you know why?
because everyone is so willing to sell it out, how many other criminals say things like oh yea you pay me i'll tell you all about how we do it, hell, you can film me doing it, and ill give you an interview.......

i would turn down any offer of money for the rights to use my culture for the gains of someone who wants to use it for gain, without giving anything back to the culture, all those people who have, including revok, saber, cope, a whole fuckin list, got pimped, they got paid 5% of what those people made off of them.....

if your love for money is bigger than your heart, you should stop writing now. It's played out to assume just because you would sell out givin the opportunity, that anyone else would.....

[Fube]

never said all. money has no discrimination. has nothing to do with heart. has to do with living. u telling me guys like revok or bucket have no heart for what they do? i call bullshit on that. they eat, sleep, bleed, graffiti. u can tell me all day that u would turn that shit down but the fact of the matter is u have never been in that position. so who are u and i to pass judgments on the decisions of others? looks to me likes hes done well for himself so far. i bet he could give a shit on what u or anyone thinks. money talks bullshit walks.

i see your point homie, all im saying is no one walks in someone elses shoes. i choose to judge no one. expeshaly someone like revok and bucket.

[hammer_time]

never said all. money has no discrimination. has nothing to do with heart. has to do with living. u telling me guys like revok or bucket have no heart for what they do? i call bullshit on that. they eat, sleep, bleed, graffiti. u can tell me all day that u would turn that shit down but the fact of the matter is u have never been in that position. so who are u and i to pass judgments on the decisions of others? looks to me likes hes done well for himself so far. i bet he could give a shit on what u or anyone thinks. money talks bullshit walks.

i see your point homie, all im saying is no one walks in someone elses shoes. i choose to judge no one. expeshaly someone like revok and bucket.

word, it just an opinion thing, i think they have way less heart, than say, kuma, diar, kwest, ich, boner, coupe, and alot of people way less known....
i am a graff writer so when someone does something that hurts the culture, i will pass jusgement on them....
unfortunatly money does control everything, but i think we owe it to everyone before us to protect graff, from the ronald mcmoney scene

[Fube]

true.

[BIGel]

if your love for money is bigger than your heart, you should stop writing now. It's played out to assume just because you would sell out givin the opportunity, that anyone else would.....

this argument gets me going because its bullshit.

how can you argue that revok has less heart than those other heads you named. you forget that revok had to work his ass off to get to the point he's at, where he can actually make money to support himself. he put in work and thats why he gets respect. you're going to tell a dude who's been pushing it to the next level for 15 years that he's not representing "your" culture?

not everybody's going to be bombing rooftops and living out of dumpsters forever. revok isnt a sellout, and ill guarantee he knows a helluva lot more about this "subculture" than you do. so before you bash on his lack of heart, think about where your going to be at 31...still painting and promoting graffiti? i doubt it..

[garbage down tha way]

almost any writer i know would gladly accept money for something they didnt have to finish highschool to learn.

[hammer_time]

this argument gets me going because its bullshit.

how can you argue that revok has less heart than those other heads you named. you forget that revok had to work his ass off to get to the point he's at, where he can actually make money to support himself. he put in work and thats why he gets respect. you're going to tell a dude who's been pushing it to the next level for 15 years that he's not representing "your" culture?

not everybody's going to be bombing rooftops and living out of dumpsters forever. revok isnt a sellout, and ill guarantee he knows a helluva lot more about this "subculture" than you do. so before you bash on his lack of heart, think about where your going to be at 31...still painting and promoting graffiti? i doubt it..

actually some people do keep it real, we are the ones who love our subculture and wont sell it, graffiti doesnt belong to anyone of us, and it is some sellout bullshit to try to.....
i am 29, so yes i probably will, continue to write for another two years, and you know what? I still havent tried to sell anything graff related. I had my chance to go to design school, and be a faggot who learned about graff from a professor, and making money off something someone else before me built. Did I? No. i went to business school and opened my own business, i am doing ok for myself, i love what i do, i still paint alot, i didnt try to blow something up for my own gain, not careing who else gets affected.....he is selfish him and all his corporate writers, who kill graff, and dont care that they contribute to the death of a culture, graff survived this long because it was underground, out of sight. not all over the internet, bookstores and bubble gum pop television channels, you fuckers keep pushin it mainstream, and watch it die.....

revok and all the rest of the Enron writers are money grubbing pieces of selfish shit, riddle me this...... if you take away their FREE paint, and all the money they makes from graff, and said ok, live a normal life with a good job, raise a family, and get nothing from graff besides, the simple joys, how much longer would the corproate slug writers do it? i guarentee you not long....

he is dope, but getting paid to paint and lawyers paid for by boost mobile, and free paint, and not having to have a job, is totally sold-out and without heart, anyone could be just as up as him, I'm sorry you are brainwashed by corporate graffiti.......

heart is still holding down a 9-5,a family, graff, bills, and knowing if you get caught your not getting bailed by your corporate sponser, being a poster child until graff isnt cool anymore aint heart

[(SoS)Viruz]

I sent the LA Times article (on REVOK) to The Drudge Report just to see if they would actually post in on his blog. Instead, they chose to post this more violent story:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Graffiti vandals turn violent in LA

Aug 1 02:35 PM US/Eastern
By THOMAS WATKINS
Associated Press Writer -1 Comments







New Laws Target Graffiti Vandals


LOS ANGELES (AP) - One man got stabbed. Another got shot in the chest. A 6-year-old boy was temporarily blinded when he was spray-painted in the face.
And they were the lucky ones among those who have had run-ins with graffiti "crews," or gangs.

Over the past 2 1/2 years in Southern California, three people have been killed after trying to stop graffiti vandals in the act. A fourth died after being shot while watching a confrontation between crews in a park.

"We have seen a marked increase in these graffiti-tagging gangs taking to weapons and fighting to protect their walls, their territory, their name," said Los Angeles County sheriff's Lt. Robert Rifkin.

Los Angeles County has battled graffiti for decades, spending $30 million a year to paint over or clean up the emblems, names and other images spray-painted on stores, concrete-lined riverbeds, rail lines, phone booths, buses, even police cars. On Wednesday, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a law requiring convicted graffiti vandals to remove their scrawl.

For some taggers, protecting their work is akin to defending their names and their honor.

"If we see someone calling the police, then we target them," said Mario Garcia, 20, who describes himself as a former tagger trying to become a professional artist. "You are trying to stop me from what I live, what I believe in and what I breathe? We are not going to let no one get in the way."

Workers who remove the graffiti say they take caution if they find a crew at work. They wait until the taggers leave before cleaning up.

"We won't say anything to them," said Rogelio Flores, whose company Graffiti Busters contracts with Los Angeles to blast away the markings with high-pressure hoses. "We don't know what kind of weapons they have."

Police tell residents to resist the urge to confront graffiti crews.

"It's not worth the risk," Rifkin said. "Take a deep breath, back off and call law enforcement."

Some of the violence has been between rival crews, which are increasingly acting like street gangs. And some of the bloodshed has involved real street gangs that mark their turf with their names or emblems. But some of the victims have been innocents.

In an attack last month, two youths spray-painted the face and body of the 6-year-old boy who spotted them scribbling gang signs on a wall near Compton. The boy recovered from chemical burns to his eyes.

On the same day, a 51-year-old auto mechanic was shot in the chest in Los Angeles when he confronted two suspected gang members painting the wall of his shop.

Another man, Michael Lartundo, 26, was stabbed in the hand and arm after yelling at a group of graffiti vandals scrawling on a wall in March behind his brother's house in suburban Whittier.

"I just told them it ain't right," Lartundo recalled. "I said, 'If you are going to write on the wall, write on your own wall.'"

The most recent attack occurred July 15, when a 16-year-old boy was shot and killed after rival graffiti crews converged on a Los Angeles park for a fight. The victim was in a crowd of onlookers.

Last August, Maria Hicks, 58, was shot in the head and died after flashing her headlights and honking at a teenager spray-painting a wall near her home in Pico Rivera, a blue-collar suburb east of Los Angeles. Four people have been charged with murder.

Ten days after Hicks died, Seutatia Tausili, 65, was fatally shot and her grandson wounded when he told taggers to stop vandalizing a trash can outside their home in Hesperia in San Bernardino County. Three men were charged with murder.

Robert Whitehead was shot to death in 2006 in the Los Angeles County area of Valinda when he tried to keep taggers from marking a neighbor's garage. Investigators arrested one man with alleged ties to the Mexican Mafia, a prison gang.

Artist Dartagnan Curiel, 31, said he used to scrawl graffiti and grew sick of the violence. He now paints murals with positive messages as a way to speak out against the bloodshed in his Los Angeles neighborhood and to encourage graffiti vandals and gang members to lay down their arms.

"Why would you want to put spray paint on a kid's face?" he says. "We live in the same community. We are all in this hellhole together."
Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Wow that fuckin sad. Now see that probably why the cops get on our ass cuase of Gang shit and dumb ppl like this..... Like It stupid give us a bad name. Yes we do write on walls or whatever. But never Mased a 6 year old boy. What the fuck.:mad: Like that make me mad. Like who has the sence to do that. The boy isnt a fuckin Threat. Mabey if it was Debo about to Wreck yo face then you do that but not a 6 year old boy......

[Kayone707]

revok and all the rest of the Enron writers are money grubbing pieces of selfish shit, riddle me this...... if you take away their FREE paint, and all the money they makes from graff, and said ok, live a normal life with a good job, raise a family, and get nothing from graff besides, the simple joys, how much longer would the corproate slug writers do it? i guarentee you not long....

ZOMG R3v0K oNly PaIntS 4 Ca$H?!?
dude. really.... just stop

[BIGel]

actually some people do keep it real, we are the ones who love our subculture and wont sell it, graffiti doesnt belong to anyone of us, and it is some sellout bullshit to try to.....
i am 29, so yes i probably will, continue to write for another two years, and you know what? I still havent tried to sell anything graff related. I had my chance to go to design school, and be a faggot who learned about graff from a professor, and making money off something someone else before me built. Did I? No. i went to business school and opened my own business, i am doing ok for myself, i love what i do, i still paint alot, i didnt try to blow something up for my own gain, not careing who else gets affected.....he is selfish him and all his corporate writers, who kill graff, and dont care that they contribute to the death of a culture, graff survived this long because it was underground, out of sight. not all over the internet, bookstores and bubble gum pop television channels, you fuckers keep pushin it mainstream, and watch it die.....

revok and all the rest of the Enron writers are money grubbing pieces of selfish shit, riddle me this...... if you take away their FREE paint, and all the money they makes from graff, and said ok, live a normal life with a good job, raise a family, and get nothing from graff besides, the simple joys, how much longer would the corproate slug writers do it? i guarentee you not long....

he is dope, but getting paid to paint and lawyers paid for by boost mobile, and free paint, and not having to have a job, is totally sold-out and without heart, anyone could be just as up as him, I'm sorry you are brainwashed by corporate graffiti.......

heart is still holding down a 9-5,a family, graff, bills, and knowing if you get caught your not getting bailed by your corporate sponser, being a poster child until graff isnt cool anymore aint heart

you sound bitter and jealous.

[hammer_time]

no i sound like someone who is sick and fuckin tired of graffiti being sold to large corporations, and its said that a message board for graffiti writers is operated by a bunch of soft ass mods, who encourage the selling out of graffiti, and suck dick of anyone who is willing to get pimped for a small percentage of profits from an "incorporated". as i said if you dont have anything to lose, and nothing else to do with your life, you could be revok, him and saber came from rich ass parents who supported them, until someone started paying for them to live. the average writer doesnt have millions of dollars and corporations picking up the slack....
he is nothing special, and you cock smokers dont have to ban me because i dont think ill be coming back.........

this forum has made me realize how many of you dont understand graff, and whats worse most of you have no concept of what popularizing graf is doing to it, and i for one refuse to contribute to it.....

im gonna go make a thread explaining in full why i want nothing to with this forum anymore, but i doubt you faggots will approve it...

[Mr yarbles]

Yeah dude that little kid getting sprayed is mad fucked up reading that made me pissed off, wat the fuck kind of threat is a six year old kid
What's the worse he can do go tell his mom?
That's fucked up.

and hammertime the kids in msk put up ALOT of shit, who cares if he's sponsered and gets free paint,a lot of writers do.
Selling out to boost mobile was pretty fuckign stupid though, so I'll give you that one.
and alot of writers have also tried making their own clothing lines.
Shit even irak sells t-shirts now, that aint gonna make a bunch of pussy kids go out and start writing, they'll get crossed once get butt hurt and stop tagging.
but they might also encourage some kid to start writing who becomes the next big thing.
and revok is still keeping it real, you tlak like just becuase he's done a few legal things for boost or some other shit like he aint a real writer, he's still catching tags and throwing pieces on billboards, so how the hell can you call him fake?
and you're saying he's a sellout for appearing in some videos?
Come on shitloads of writers go into videos and do interviews and shit, jsut look at infamy.

[hammer_time]

and what happens when one of these pussy ass kids gets arrested? they are gonna blab everything they know, and help the police know what to look for and where....
and movies and all that shit is for profit.....

WHAT THE FUCK?

wasnt graff supposed to free?
wasnt it suppose to be the voice of the voiceless? not ths voice of boost mobile spokesmen
wasnt it suppose to be anti corporate?
wasnt it supposed to be illeagal?
wasnt it supposed to be real?
should we just let anyone who wants to do it, do it?
the reason people used to frown on toys is because 70% of them will do more harm than good, encourageing more writers, is encouargeing, more harm, our culture did fine for years, without movies the internet, and especially without commercials, and corpoarte spokesmen, have fun killing graff
you fuckin losers.....
those of you who rant excludes know who you are, and those that it is in reference to can start posting...............now

[nero112]

hammer seriously this aint such a bad place man alot of good writers lurk around here n shit .. not evryones a sell out, n graff has gotten tonnes more writers who started out on the net just because its a place you can learn and progress with comments helping you improve .. i wouldnt say leave because from the shit iv read from you in the frieght n so on threads you seem very knowledgable and can help alot of kids ,

theres alot of bullshit but most of the mods are too busy nowadays n the older mods are just droppin out one by one , i agree the forum needs to be cleaned up but its your choice you know but i personaly think youd do alot of good here and on the whole revok n what not issue simple as he got a bit sloppy n like most writers his ego got him who cares doesnt really affect anyone here so i think this thread should now be close,evryone gets caught someday if they get sloppy simple as moral is be careful cos theyr startin to get smarter so we need to stay 10yards ahead as always graff will and is changing as evrything does its inevitable they days of goin to a place n just chillin n paintin are vanishing, we should then feel pushed to go higher and bigger than those before us instead of dick riding em n thinkin the culture will never change... im thinkin too much

[weak0ner]

Hammertime for president.

[hammer_time]

It's beyond just conflicting feelings about this topic. Call it the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm tired of watching more and more crap come out for graffiti, and everyone just eats it up....that kills everything, at first it seems like the culture is "expanding" but its killing it....

look at hot rods for example, when it started it was people tweaking engines, chopping tops, swapping cranks from engines with a longer stroke, gear drives instead of timing belts, custom cam durations, boreing, porting.....
now its bolt on fresh air intakes, and body kits....
its all flash and no substance, anyone can do it, no knowledge required...
and why? because it was found out to be a popular market and someone wanted to profit, so they got someone influential like Chip Foose, put his name on shit, because he had credability, then someone saw how rich that first guy was getting, and did the same, with someone, say, Boyd Coddington..
and it was diluted over and over again, until it is what it is now....

skateboarding same story, and so many other things, that started as something fun and inexpensive turned commercial and played out

Graffiti has reached hipster status, why else would kids so young be doing it?
because they think its cool..
they are told by the mass media they see that its "heroic in our couch potatoe culture" and get "hip" thus the hipster

graff is getting diluted, and commercial, how many graff specialty paint companies are there? how many clothes companies? how many movies? how many products? how many commercials use it? how many magazines? full of how many ads?

[Drakula]

Cosigned^^^
He's becoming like cope
He wants people to recognize his face and go
"Oh your revok right!"

And yeah he's good
But there's a ton of other writers out there that ar really good and they don't show their faces.

Dumb example but look at guys like banksy
He's respected by a shitload of people and not just graffiti writers, I bet he would love to go to everyone and go hey I'm banksy
But he dosn't.

Oh yeah and be careful out there everyone, watch what you do it could come back and fuck you.

Banksy is the worst sell out of them all! He even has a publicist and sells his work at posh galeries to movie stars.

[Fube]

u are reading this post of a mod that supports the living and letting of graffiti to thrive. may that be whatever means possible to make this shit bigger and better then ever imagined. who the fuck are u to tell me not to make money doing something i love. no matter how u look at it the streets will always be. your "graffiti" will always be illegal because theres always some guy that dont want your shit on his building, street sign, highway bridge, store window, side walks, and trains. i see nothing wrong with taking money from people that want to just give it to me hand over fist. please take your communist way of thinking ass out of these forums.

your not going to tell me how to think, or what is right in your eyes because your views are not my views.

thank u and goodbye.

your friendly mod Fube.

[hammer_time]

until its gone in 6 years because everyone was retards and tried to capitalize on something that was never meant to be.......

[Mr yarbles]

Yeah I realized that after I posted it
and hammertime I do agree with you on alot of stuff

But graffiti is already becoming a sell out thing just like skating or anything else
You can blame people liek marc ecko for that.
But I don't think you should call out young kids on it
I'm young (15) But I don't go around to everyone going "hey I write graffiti yout hink I'm cool now right?" I could care less.
I'm not turning my friends on to graffiti just becuase I want someone to write with or some other bullshit.
But yeah you're right about the commercialism and stuff
I watched some dumbass mcdonalds commercal with some kids scratching a turntable with graffiti int he back and that shit made me sick
And look at this shit
http://blog.niceproduce.com/?p=1055
all designed by adidas to sell some dumbass cope two shoe.

I guess your right about it hammer.

But I don't think we should blame revok or msk or irak or any off them for trying to make a living off what their good at
YOu should be pissed off at people liek boost and addidas and mcdonalds for tring to capatalize on this hsit.
It dosn't mean that in five years everyones going to accept graffiti, this is just osme fad to them, it'll become uncool in a matter of time just watch.

[hammer_time]

I watched some dumbass mcdonalds commercal with some kids scratching a turntable with graffiti int he back and that shit made me sick
And look at this shit
http://blog.niceproduce.com/?p=1055
all designed by adidas to sell some dumbass cope two shoe.

I guess your right about it hammer.

But I don't think we should blame revok or msk or irak or any off them for trying to make a living off what their good at
YOu should be pissed off at people liek boost and addidas and mcdonalds for tring to capatalize on this hsit.
It dosn't mean that in five years everyones going to accept graffiti, this is just osme fad to them, it'll become uncool in a matter of time just watch.

watch what you say about McDonald's dont knock a homies hustle he's just keepin it real.....
them taking the money knowing what they are doing are just as guilty as the people who con them into it.....
better watch it or youll be labeled a communist too

[Fube]

heh, whatever man. things go in a circle, whats hot one year aint the next. they will back off when its no longer the "in thing" and the precious "golden year" graffiti u speak off will be back. there will always be underground. u act like this shits gunna make u quit writing. labeled communist? if u read correctly i said communist way of thinking. your entitled to your views and opinions just like everyone else. and i respect u for that and i also believe in some of your views to an extent. but your like the mormens that come to my door and try to convert me into believing that they have the best religion. thats why i throw ice cubes at them and tell them to get the fuck away from my door step. no one said u couldnt say what u want here. people just have different views and u should respect that. if u feel u dont have the need to post here and express your views then u sir have failed. not me. i like u dude, u got balls. there needs to be more people with straight up balls to speak up for what they believe in and just not give a fuck about anything else.

stick around hammer there will be haters everywhere u go.:cool:

[Hobbes]

Man, I think that no matter what, there's always gonna be some assholes who sell out their subculture.

And it really sucks 'cause it makes it harder for those who try to keep it real.

But hey, at least revok was still doin' illegal graff, its fucks like Mark Ecko who I really hate. That fuck NEVER fucking painted, and what the fuck has he really done? He let some kids use their lawyers in a law suit about shit...okay thats cool, but hes for 'legitimizing' it I think. I don't know, I think the dude is a punk and I wouldn't show him no fucking respect for that shit.

The thing you kids gotta realize...is that all of us, at one point at another wanted, or still want that 'fame' that you get. Its unlike any other fame. Its the fame where no matter what, certain people know your name, certain people see it every day. Its an infamous type of fame that gets you respect from some groups no matter what. Even if you don't tell people, you still wanna hear people talk about it, "oh yeah that dude is mad up!" or whatever. It lets people know your out there...

And for people who go through a lot of shit for graffiti, I can see why it would be hard to not cop up to that fame when given so many chances.

Like shit, if someone asks you to do an interview for graff, its probably better to not do it. Either way though, I think regardless of your answer then every writer would have the urge to say "yes" because they want people to know about them, of their accomplishments, why they do what they do, and how they feel.

People like that shit, it lets people relate and be like "oh hey this guy is doin' the same shit I'm doin' for the same reason" or whatever

I think its pretty lame to hate on that, but as for selling out...depends what you consider selling out. People always look at it like "making money" but to people who live graff and thats all they know, its probably more like "hey if this person pays me for this wall that I want to paint eitherway, then I can go out and buy some food or paint"

I think the problem with this though, is that those people who are now 'sell outs' didn't ever do it with the intention of making money off it.

And now kids are going to think "oh I can do this and then make money off it when I get good enough" and thats a real shitty reason to get into graff.

Kids need to get in to graff because its like "shit if I don't do something then I'm going to fucking kill myself" then once they go write their name on a wall their like "okay well if I can keep doing this shit I guess life is worth living" and I think thats why so many people live graff and say shit like "graff saved my life"

Like I said though, it really sucks when people try to 'legitimize' shit and get it accepted by the 'authorities' because that shit makes it harder to do freely.

Graff shouldn't be a career choice, if your a writer, then make some stupid canvases and sell those to chumps so you can afford to keep writing illegally. Who the fuck cares? The bottom line, no one gives a fuck what your day job, but you can't call yourself a real writer if you don't write on shit regardless of permission.


I don't know...just my 2cent

Oh, but uhh, why is everyone acting like this is something new? What about in the '80s when graff was everywhere and first made it into the gallerys. How much has it really changed? Theres always gonna be writers who do it illegally, people who do 'legal graff' and people who do both.

[C3ZR ONE]

This thread has become a real keeper. Probably some of the best conversation on ethics in graffiti I've ever seen on a forum.

I'm torn between the two sides of this debate. One one hand. I'm not gonna lie about it at all to save face... Revok is my favorite artist in graff, and I love alot of other heads in MSK including Kress, Kofie, Retna, Reyes, Norm, and so many other heads in that crew. I haven't seen so much quality and origional work from anybody else, but then, I'm from an isolated area, and what I see is brought to me through books, mags, and the internet.. And yes, I've been given opportunities to market graffiti and taken those opportunities and enjoyed it, but I had a similiar conversation with Hammer about this a while back that got me thinking alot, and although I haven't given myself to one side or another on this debate, I'm starting to get an eerie feeling he's right..
I was in Old Navy yesterday, looking thru their clearance shit (cuzz I'm a cheap ass and need work shirts... They had a bunch of tee's for 5 bucks..
"Brooklyn" in a fairly credible handstyle
A hand holding a spray can
A shirt that said "quality of life"
a shirt with subway cars across it...
Kinda makes you feel creepy looking at all this shit.

The Sturgis Motorcycle rally is going on right now. Years ago it was a huge renegade party. Corporations came in and started capitolizing on it. Now it's all retired old people and flash. It's ruined. What Hammer is saying DOES happen.. Graffiti can be destroyed. Can it be rebuilt afterward? I dunno. A thread like this is valuable to make us think about what we're in it for and what direction we want to go in with it..

One thing I do want to say is I don't think graff was built entirely off giving the finger to corporate media, but it's a nice portion of the culture. I think alot of what we do and have done is for fame. That's why we write our names. over and over and over. With fame comes the second hand, the money. This is where it all gets hairy..

I support both sides of this debate to be expressed. I appreciate what Hammer says and think he's a VALUABLE member here. A needed kick in the ass. Graff aint all cozy. Sometimes the truth hurts.

[sketch3]

uhhh he deserved to get caught

[Hobbes]

yo

what do you guys consider graff though?

Is it when people bite the art form? 'Cause I been doin' graphic design for awhile now and I think a lot of it is intertwined.

I see company logos all the time and think "wtf is the difference between that and graffiti? that stupid logo is just a hand style that depicts the companies style"

for example this "Guy Harvey" fishing logo is just the text written and has long extensions, its a pretty solid logo I think, but is that graffiti?

I mean, if I get a client that is say...a hip hop artist or something and says "oh hey man can you do a hand style that says my name?" I don't necessarily want to say "Sorry man I don't think your real enough for that, do it yourself" ya' know?

But I would never want to make something that someone is gonna make a lot of money off and who has never given back to the culture.

To me, graffiti isn't much different from the art of typography. A lot of the same rules apply.

What I consider graffiti, is "writing on property" so I don't care what style it is, if someone writes on something, their a graffiti writer.

Its shit though when corporations put their building up and have lots of graffiti-style adverts but then won't hesitate to prosecute a kid painting on their building.

[diggy64]

Anyone notice the Miss17 throws on that last video? Damn that girl gets up all over.

[Fube]

i ment no disrespect hammer. it probably came off that way. but the more i think about it the more i see this shit out there on what hes talking about. and altho i understand, i feel that this is a demon thats gunna happen anyway if u want it to or not, so u might as well take advantage. hobbes and cezr really kinda put it in prospective for me.

[hammer_time]

i dont take shit real personal, i just feel a certain way, and its something i feel needs to be brought to everyones attention, because like hobbes said, there are kids doing it to get good enough so they can make money off of it......

Making money off of graff isnt all bad, it depends on how you do it, who is paying you, what you are doing, and where you draw the line....
for me i feel there is something very disgusting sounding about the term "Corporate Sponsered Writer".
The golden days have been dead in some places for years and pobably isnt coming back, they still paint...but under stress and it makes people not want to paint, especially people who could potentially lose houses, jobs, cars, etc. Fortunatly there are MANY places that are still chill, but their days are numbered.....

It is also disrespectful IMO for anyone to to try to make a living off of writers, and marketing crap towards writers, useless crap, id be lieing if i said i said i didnt own any otr's but come on its starting to get sad, carhartt? go to your local western wear store and look and the adverts there, the people, and really get an idea of what those people would think of you if they knew you wrote graff.

i'm sure you can see where im going with this...

@c3zr
its really funny you mentioned sturgis, because were i mentioned cars, i typed half a paragraph about that and custom bikes, but changed gears (pun), figuring it was over everyones head....

anyway no beef but thats how i feel, and see things, i dont tak eshit personal, and am probably one of the hardest people you know to offend....

[Fube]

yes, i have a different prospective now and you are basicly the one that changed my outlook. for that i thank u. i mean i know that shit is going on, but i just thought it was the nature of the beast and to just adapt and roll with it, get it where u can. but u speak of culture, and how chill spots days are numbered kinda cleared it up for me. when all this corprate shit is over and the money is gone all we got is street. we should just keep it that way.

[rambler]

uhhh he deserved to get caught


[/thread]

like it or not graffiti is illegal. post pics and vids on the internet, and its bound to come back to bite you.

[garbage down tha way]

........

[its all good till the cops come]

i agree with hammer on alot of the shit, but what i say is this..
sure being sponsored by a corporate company is taking away..i mean you should be known for doing it the old fashioned way..but at the same time he's gotta eat..and if he loves doin it then whats the biggie? there comes a certain point in life where you gotta think about whether you wanna do the same old shit and not get paid..or get paid for the sam old shit...hes already done his share of work before the free paint..so basicallytheres a period where you thikn its bullshit and keep it real..and then it swithces over to the part where you wanna have alot of money doing what you love..its the cycle.

[Kayone707]

no i sound like someone who is sick and fuckin tired of graffiti being sold to large corporations, and its said that a message board for graffiti writers is operated by a bunch of soft ass mods, who encourage the selling out of graffiti, and suck dick of anyone who is willing to get pimped for a small percentage of profits from an "incorporated". as i said if you dont have anything to lose, and nothing else to do with your life, you could be revok, him and saber came from rich ass parents who supported them, until someone started paying for them to live. the average writer doesnt have millions of dollars and corporations picking up the slack....
he is nothing special, and you cock smokers dont have to ban me because i dont think ill be coming back.........

this forum has made me realize how many of you dont understand graff, and whats worse most of you have no concept of what popularizing graf is doing to it, and i for one refuse to contribute to it.....

im gonna go make a thread explaining in full why i want nothing to with this forum anymore, but i doubt you faggots will approve it...

i'll just make it easy and ban you?

[Kayone707]

i agree with hammer on alot of the shit, but what i say is this..
sure being sponsored by a corporate company is taking away..i mean you should be known for doing it the old fashioned way..but at the same time he's gotta eat..

revok has been doing it the "old fashion way" before most of you even knew what graffiti was. The fact that most of you are hating is just plain lame.
if all yall that are hating were Really into this 'subculture' as you claim, you would be able to recognize a great piece when you see one. he busts out great work all the time (along with some that i personally dont like) so why hate?
yes he's sponsored by corporate companies * along with MTN paint* (most of you BUY PAINT FROM THEM!) but thats just the perks of paying dues.
im bored now. what ever

[Proper]

WHAT THE FUCK?

wasnt graff supposed to free?
wasnt it suppose to be the voice of the voiceless? not ths voice of boost mobile spokesmen
wasnt it suppose to be anti corporate?
wasnt it supposed to be illeagal?
wasnt it supposed to be real?


I didn't read the whole thread so if i'm late or stating something someone else has already said; sorry.

This is arguement has no wrong/right side. It's all based on personal-opinion. The only thing that can come from this is just hatred towards eachother because some people always have to be right when in reality there isn't a right from wrong in this subject.

I will admit that in some of your arguements, you defended your side perfectly and made me second guess my own opinion. But, graffiti is something every one is entitled to partake in and whether that person has the talent and the resources to make a living off of is essentially a reward for busting their asses and risking their future in something else if it work out for them in Graffiti. For example; sports. Aren't sports suppose to be free? Aren't they just for kicks and giggles? An exceptional talent in sports will receive free education and then millions of dollars in endorsements and salary because of their unparralled talent in their respected sport. They took a childhood game and turned it into their profession. They dedicated themselves to the game and a majority of them use their talent to provide for their family because they might not have the intelligence of a scholar. You can't blame them for that, can you? It's the same logic, really. Revok dedicated himself to graffiti (something much, much harder to get spondsored in) and is now living off of that. You cannot possibly say that if you were as talented as Revok and you did not have an education and corporate companies were willing to pay you hundreds/thousands of dollars to do something you absolutely love and this "job" would provide more for your family/yourself that you could possibily decline it? If you say yes, you're a complete and utter liar. Anyone and everyone in their right mind would take that oppurtunity in a blink of an eye. Revok is no different than Peyton Manning/Kobe Bryant/Alex Rodriguez/Cristiano Ronald and any other world class athelete that you could think of. They are doing something they love and enjoy. Isn't that what they preach to you in school, anyways? Find a profession that makes YOU happy because after all you are the one who will be stucked with that profession for the rest of your life.

Like I said, it's all personal-opinion.

[nero112]

just paint if you want to sell out sell out if you wanna keep painting n make a living with other skills go for it graffs meant to be illegal its meant to be fun man whats better than chillin under a bridge with some weed n a couple good friends while painting a nice piece takin your time?or even climbin up to a rooftop n being paranoid as fuck n bustin out a nice chrome fill black outline n nice green force field then bein on the bus the next day n chekin that shit just burst of the wal ?

just keep painting people keep it alive in your own way cos i doubt it will ever die out..:p

[MoNkEy]

thats a complete fuckin bummer....but as for you all moaning about people selling out....if you were offered a fair bit of money and free paint for doing the odd sketch or design...i think 100% of the people on this forum would say yes...i know i would....so stop moaning about so called sell outs....but still a bummer to hear that such a good writers might not be around....

[sketch3]

revok has been doing it the "old fashion way" before most of you even knew what graffiti was. The fact that most of you are hating is just plain lame.
if all yall that are hating were Really into this 'subculture' as you claim, you would be able to recognize a great piece when you see one. he busts out great work all the time (along with some that i personally dont like) so why hate?
yes he's sponsored by corporate companies * along with MTN paint* (most of you BUY PAINT FROM THEM!) but thats just the perks of paying dues.
im bored now. what ever



uhh having talent has nothing to do with selling out,
look at mobb deep, they used to be dope but now their in g unit making trashg with 50



regardless if he can bust a dope peice if ur up as much as him,
dont show ur face on videos and shit, common sense says u deserve to get nabbed



not that i care if he sold out or not he was stupid for being in the lime light

[rambler]

I have mad respect for Revok, i used to pass some of his work on the way to my school every morning, and it would help me get through the early times. That said, it is of his own actions and as it seems his feelings of "invincibility" that he is in the situation he is in.

[nero112]

who fuckin cares doesnt effect you does it so fukin what theyr sloppy big deal writers get jailed evry fuckin day whatever man

[South-Pole]

in a just a few pages,we went off topic,we were talking about getting busted/etc.. and now about graff nowdays,wtf

[HuntingLOLs]

As i gathered from what Gesus posted Revok got busted from Prints, since he has been busted before they have em on file. But im getting confused of how they can charge a person with xx amounts of charges without eyewitnesses or cameras and whatnot. Its not like leaving a fingerprint in a "public" area makes you a criminal and empty cans are hardly illigal, nor the weapon of crime. Any ideas of what happend specifically?

[hammer_time]

I didn't read the whole thread so if i'm late or stating something someone else has already said; sorry.

This is arguement has no wrong/right side. It's all based on personal-opinion. The only thing that can come from this is just hatred towards eachother because some people always have to be right when in reality there isn't a right from wrong in this subject.

I will admit that in some of your arguements, you defended your side perfectly and made me second guess my own opinion. But, graffiti is something every one is entitled to partake in and whether that person has the talent and the resources to make a living off of is essentially a reward for busting their asses and risking their future in something else if it work out for them in Graffiti. For example; sports. Aren't sports suppose to be free? Aren't they just for kicks and giggles? An exceptional talent in sports will receive free education and then millions of dollars in endorsements and salary because of their unparralled talent in their respected sport. They took a childhood game and turned it into their profession. They dedicated themselves to the game and a majority of them use their talent to provide for their family because they might not have the intelligence of a scholar. You can't blame them for that, can you? It's the same logic, really. Revok dedicated himself to graffiti (something much, much harder to get spondsored in) and is now living off of that. You cannot possibly say that if you were as talented as Revok and you did not have an education and corporate companies were willing to pay you hundreds/thousands of dollars to do something you absolutely love and this "job" would provide more for your family/yourself that you could possibily decline it? If you say yes, you're a complete and utter liar. Anyone and everyone in their right mind would take that oppurtunity in a blink of an eye. Revok is no different than Peyton Manning/Kobe Bryant/Alex Rodriguez/Cristiano Ronald and any other world class athelete that you could think of. They are doing something they love and enjoy. Isn't that what they preach to you in school, anyways? Find a profession that makes YOU happy because after all you are the one who will be stucked with that profession for the rest of your life.

Like I said, it's all personal-opinion.

you are very right about the opinion thing....
and right about the professional sports, but could you honestly say that the sport hasnt suffered do to commercialization? (any of them really), think back to a time when professional sports wasnt as popular, when you had to go to a stadium to watch......
those guys practiced 5 nights a-week, traveled and played games on the weekends, and worked a full time job, because they played professional baseball for fun....

would most professional athletes still do what they do now, if they had to do what they did back in the day? I doubt it, hell what major league sport hasnt went on strike because they dont get paid enough?
it started with people who did for the love of the game, the feel of a bat in their hands, not millions of dollars, there are so many kids who play sports, just for scholarships, etc. etc., ill bet you kobe bryant would'nt play ball for 30,000 a year, and no fame.....

honestly, i dont think making money off graff is bad, it who you let pay you, what their plans are for your work....

the other thing, as mentioned before, they got pimped, those guys got paid maybe 5% of what some corporation made off of them.

i just think there is something a little bit more special about the average writer, than the writer who has nothing to lose, and everything GIVEN to him..


also i have no hatred towards anybody, i am a little sad to see how many of you would paint for Haliburton if they just paid you a little bit....
but no hate, there is no reason to hate someone based on an opinion

[Hobbes]

I know the legal system works sllllooooowwwww as FUCK....

But uhh, I'm kinda curious as to what is actually goin' on with it right now, I mean, he just got arrested, he said hes already been arrested "I don't know how many times"

I don't know though, it doesn't look too good for him, mainly because they are cracking down on graffiti and 'crime' in general.

You guys can say "oh their just prints in public places" but a judge is gonna want to see it differently, so he'll say "oh well his prints are at all these spots and blah blah blah I have bad judgment so I'm a judge" or whatever judges say.

But like everyone has already said, he's most likely going to be paying fines out the ass.

I mean, they're not entirely dim, they're probably gonna realize "hey this guy is kinda a popular and talented artist, hes got corporations to back him up, lets just milk him for all his worth and maybe give him a light sentence"

and then all the kids who buy revok's shit will be the ones paying for it. Or he'll make a canvas or some shit and sell it to some snob art prick for a bunch of G's.

I think you should all let this be a lesson to you, COVER YOUR TRACKS COMPLETELY. They will use any evidence they can to arrest, and convict you, especially if you get up a lot.

Just because your prints aren't in the system, doesn't mean they won't ever be. Chances are, if your an illegal graffiti writer and you steal a lot to support your habit, and probably do drugs to enhance the experience, and maybe some other illegal shit, you're going to get arrested. Don't let something stupid like an arrest for a misdemeanor pot charge let them bring everything else illegal you've ever done come back to you.

And yeah, revok is big...but uhh, they do this kind of shit for lil toys too, it pisses them off more when your shit looks wack I think.

Remember kids, the government and its thugs are delusional, psychopathic, and narcissistic, and I don't mean that in a good way :p

[BIGel]

what nobody is mentioning is that msk, and revok in particular, has said repeatedly is that he understands that what he does for money and what he does on the streets are two different animals. there is a line between making money and being a media whore, but with the exception of cope i dont think many have crossed it. revok has repeatedly said that what he does for cash and what he does on the street are not the same. he recognizes the fact that what he does legally is not graffiti in its pure form, if the public in general are seeing it and interpreting it as that, then who gives a shit?!? most writers are writing in the context of their own culture, for their own people, and fuck what everybody else thinks. if they cared so much about what the public thought you wouldnt be writing in the first place.

graffiti would be a lot better off if alot of you came down off your high horses and realized that the core of this culture knows the difference between commercial and street level graffiti. those that dont know will find out or will fade out. thats how its been and how it will be for every subculture that attracts its fifteen minutes in the sun, if some of us are talented enough to use our skills to make something on the side, than i think it takes a real elitest to say otherwise. he's put in time, he's put in alot of time doing this on the street, and he continues to. i think its great he's made it to the point he can take advantage of a system that will actually pay him to paint.

[Proper]

you are very right about the opinion thing....
and right about the professional sports, but could you honestly say that the sport hasnt suffered do to commercialization? (any of them really), think back to a time when professional sports wasnt as popular, when you had to go to a stadium to watch......
those guys practiced 5 nights a-week, traveled and played games on the weekends, and worked a full time job, because they played professional baseball for fun....

would most professional athletes still do what they do now, if they had to do what they did back in the day? I doubt it, hell what major league sport hasnt went on strike because they dont get paid enough?
it started with people who did for the love of the game, the feel of a bat in their hands, not millions of dollars, there are so many kids who play sports, just for scholarships, etc. etc., ill bet you kobe bryant would'nt play ball for 30,000 a year, and no fame.....

honestly, i dont think making money off graff is bad, it who you let pay you, what their plans are for your work....

the other thing, as mentioned before, they got pimped, those guys got paid maybe 5% of what some corporation made off of them.

i just think there is something a little bit more special about the average writer, than the writer who has nothing to lose, and everything GIVEN to him..


also i have no hatred towards anybody, i am a little sad to see how many of you would paint for Haliburton if they just paid you a little bit....
but no hate, there is no reason to hate someone based on an opinion

I don't think any sport has suffered due to this. As a matter of fact, I think sports are better nowadays. Maybe not in the money-situation but overall, yes.

Just because you make money off of something doesn't mean you don't care about it or love it any less than someone who doesn't. MLS soccer players make on average 76,000 dollars per year. That's nothing compared to the multi-millions that any other athlete makes. Most of them won't get the chance to play abroad and they play for the love of the game. Furthermore, football players in countries such as, Haiti, Nicaragua, and a lot of other third world countries hardly make a living off of playing for their national team and club. Most of them practice two-a-days and still have to hold down jobs to feed their families. Now, let's say someone from one of those countries after playing for love and essentially no money was offered a couple millions to play professionally and they wouldn't have to kill themselves working other measly jobs to get by that they should turn down that offer because a couple of other athletes still don't make any money off of it? Sure, whenever they become multi-millionaires they demand more money but don't you think beside that greed factor (everyone has it) that it's because they just want to be unable to unsure the well-being of their family if they get injured? Some athletes were raised in poverty and now are BLESSED to be abled to provide for their families, you can't bash them for that. BTW, a lot of them third world athlete never make it famous and they still dedicate themselves to their beloved sport. Graffiti artist are not so different from athletes; they dedicate themself to something, put in a lot of time, go unpayed for a while and then if they get good enough make some cash.

My whole purpose bringing in athletes is just to make you realize that they do it for the love of the game and are just being rewarded for their much wanted/needed skills.

Companies pay anyone who is good at their talent in order to make more money for themselves.

[BIGel]

Just because you make money off of something doesn't mean you don't care about it or love it any less than someone who doesn't.

most intelligent thing said in this thread thus far. agree 100%

[IlikePie]

Too much text, this thread needs....

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[South-Pole]

i feel ya pie

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[Mr yarbles]

As i gathered from what Gesus posted Revok got busted from Prints, since he has been busted before they have em on file. But im getting confused of how they can charge a person with xx amounts of charges without eyewitnesses or cameras and whatnot. Its not like leaving a fingerprint in a "public" area makes you a criminal and empty cans are hardly illigal, nor the weapon of crime. Any ideas of what happend specifically?

Because when you've been booked for graffiti and they know what you write there's a few videos and pictures of you doing it and your face is in the video there's a probable cause that those cans can be used for graff, he also might have left some latex gloves behind after painting and the gt the prints out of those.
But I doubt the trials will stick, becuase your right that there really isn't much evidence against them, and revok will probably have a good lawyer.
Idk about buket though

[hammer_time]

Graffiti artist are not so different from athletes; they dedicate themself to something, put in a lot of time, go unpayed for a while and then if they get good enough make some cash.

My whole purpose bringing in athletes is just to make you realize that they do it for the love of the game and are just being rewarded for their much wanted/needed skills.

Companies pay anyone who is good at their talent in order to make more money for themselves.

1. the only people who want/need graffiti enough to pay for it are people who have no good intentions for it, and in the end will harm graff....
same with sports.....
all the companies who sponser and put up the money to pay those people, dont have their best intrests in mind....
why put money into the pockets of those people?

2. "Companies pay anyone who is good at their talent in order to make more money for themselves." you dont see anything wrong with that?
sounds to me like some companies are pimping those willing to hoe out....
not to mention when shit hits the fan those companies are gonna be the first ones to name, names, and get as far away form graff as possible....

3. you are right there are people who do it for the love, but as your very own post points out, MOST of the people who do it purely for fun wont ever be famous, rich, or even that well known...

[hammer_time]

what nobody is mentioning is that msk, and revok in particular, has said repeatedly is that he understands that what he does for money and what he does on the streets are two different animals. there is a line between making money and being a media whore, but with the exception of cope i dont think many have crossed it. revok has repeatedly said that what he does for cash and what he does on the street are not the same. he recognizes the fact that what he does legally is not graffiti in its pure form, if the public in general are seeing it and interpreting it as that, then who gives a shit?!? most writers are writing in the context of their own culture, for their own people, and fuck what everybody else thinks. if they cared so much about what the public thought you wouldnt be writing in the first place.

graffiti would be a lot better off if alot of you came down off your high horses and realized that the core of this culture knows the difference between commercial and street level graffiti. those that dont know will find out or will fade out. thats how its been and how it will be for every subculture that attracts its fifteen minutes in the sun, if some of us are talented enough to use our skills to make something on the side, than i think it takes a real elitest to say otherwise. he's put in time, he's put in alot of time doing this on the street, and he continues to. i think its great he's made it to the point he can take advantage of a system that will actually pay him to paint.

in response to your first paragraph, knowing that your selling out, and trying to keep it real at the same time, and you recognize the difference, doesnt make it OK, IMO it makes it worse.

in response to your second paragraph...
the core of this culture doesnt have a commercial scene, and a street scene, the core of this culture is based around taking space from the people who abuse the public sphere with their crap, not being in cahoots with them and helping them do that, or walking a tight rope between a suit and tie, and jeans and a paint stained shirts.....

its cool this is gonna turn into a bunch of people repeating themselves, but i know who's gonna go stand in line at JC Penny when revok in conjucture with south pole drop the new "hip hop sack" back pack, with room for 9 cans, 7 markers, an mp3 player, and it has built in street cred cuz revok tagged the back pocket, just remember when you pay for it, dont feel bad, your supporting the culture

[sketch3]

the core of the culter isnt about sticking i to the man and reclaming public property,
its about paintng art on stuff thats outside ur house so strangers will see it,



it just happens to piss jimmy pig snout of

[Hobbes]

Man...
You know how much pro athletes get paid? Too much, if you ask me. Why do they get to live in fucking MANSIONS for playing a sport? Whats wrong with paying them...100k/year, instead of multi million and billion dollar deals? Like shit, what the fuck?

Its one thing to make money off something you love, enough money to feed yourself and your family, and continue doing it.

Its a whole 'nother world to be making way more money than you really need. Thats what pisses me off about bitchy artists who say "ooh people STEAL our music online!" what the fuck, you WANT them to listen to your goddamn music, they listen to it for free on the radio, but when they wanna burn a goddamn CD to listen to it all the time because their a fan, then your all up in arms?

Artists are fucking greedy. I think its only cool to make a shit ton of money, if you give a shit ton back. If I was rich that's what I'd do.

How come none of these 'rich/sellout' graff writers are erecting huge ass walls for all the local kids to go paint? Shit, that'd be the first thing I would do. Shit, that'd be a place for me myself to practice so why not?

If you ask me, selling out is called 'selling out' for a reason. I'd rather 'buy in' to my culture and give back to it.

[hammer_time]

alot of their money comes from doing shit totally unrelated to the sports

ie whoreing for commercial, putting their face and signature on shoes, and dishsoaps and shit

[sketch3]

so anyone with an indorsment or anyone whos sponsered for anything is a whore,


the fact of the matter is the big corpirations are gunna be around making money no matter what,
if boost coudnt get a graff artist then they woulda made a new campainge with rock music in the background or somethin,


art is art no atter if its on a scap peice o paper or a huge billbord for toothpaste...
saying somone dosnt have love for the game because there making money from it is just stupid

[Roolete]

hammertime, if some big corporation offered you a ton of money for doing something you liked, wouldn't you sell out? or would you rather have a job you hate all your life?

[sketch3]

he likes his job hes self employed....

and no he wouldnt hes to real

[BIGel]

its cool this is gonna turn into a bunch of people repeating themselves, but i know who's gonna go stand in line at JC Penny when revok in conjucture with south pole drop the new "hip hop sack" back pack, with room for 9 cans, 7 markers, an mp3 player, and it has built in street cred cuz revok tagged the back pocket, just remember when you pay for it, dont feel bad, your supporting the culture

and WHEN he crosses that line THEN i will begin to lose respect for him, until then i wont..he's using the system thats using him, and if your too much of an elitest to realize that thats ALL it is then your probably a socialist as well.

get off your high horse, he's making money doing something he's good at and he loves. i have enough faith in this culture that those who belong here can seperate the commercial and street aspects of it. because whether your idealistic ass realizes it or not the commercial side is a part of graffiti, and its a part of art in general, and making money from people who are trying to capitalize on the graffiti explosion isnt immoral at all. the people who buy that "revok" hip hop sack arent the ones who belong here anyway.

[C3ZR ONE]

so anyone with an indorsment or anyone whos sponsered for anything is a whore,


the fact of the matter is the big corpirations are gunna be around making money no matter what,
if boost coudnt get a graff artist then they woulda made a new campainge with rock music in the background or somethin,


art is art no atter if its on a scap peice o paper or a huge billbord for toothpaste...
saying somone dosnt have love for the game because there making money from it is just stupid

I'm only disputing this because I see the point he's trying to make here.. No one is questioning Revok's talent, or whether he's paid his dues. Here's the key point tho.....

"saying someone doesn't love the game because they're making money off it is just stupid."
If you really love the game, don't you have a responsibility to see to it's best interest?

Whether or not a corporation like Boost mobile has love for the game or not is more in question than whether or not Revok does. It's hard to dispute the fact that Revok Loves graff. He's put so much into it. I already stated he is my favorite graff artist based on his work, not his ethics (and I'm still determining whether or not I question those, but in the end it doesn't matter what my conclusion is because I'm such a small piece of the puzzle, but we all have oppinions...) But as Hammer stated, you have to think about who you're selling to and if it harms the game you love... Is Boost harming anything? I dunno. Does it really matter that Revok is getting such a small percentage of the profit? In my mind, not really, if he's happy with it. The key is, does the advertisements he creates, influence more people that aren't neccesarilly needed or desired in this culture, inspired to take part in it, without having the respect that comes with the people who are influenced to take it up by what they see on the street? That may be a bit garbled... I have a buzz on.
When things are marketed, they are watered down. They aren't shown the proper respect deserved to them. Sure Revok gives credibility to marketing. He's down as fuck. I'm gonna flip it even better here.....

It's not whether or not writers understand the difference between commercial graff and street graff that matters, like BIG EL said, what matters is the general public audience that's influenced by it and doesn't know the difference that's bringing damage, and writers need to be aware of THAT! Revok makes some cash, and in all honesty, I think it's well deserved, but Hammers point is, in the process of that he's chipped a piece of the culture away, because Joe Shmoe 15 yr. old who doesn't know shit but saw that flashy ad and 5000 of his friends want to go drop bombs and get us all heated. THAT"S THE PROBLEM. and being aware of that and still cashing in puts your love of the art in question. Your true love.

I forgot the word for when you say one thing and do the other, but I feel dumb for saying all this when I add to the problem, but communicating your ideas is the first step to learning a better way...

[sketch3]

i think u mean ur being the devils advocet,
so am i



i get ur point about boss mobiel and gettin up inspirng lame kids,
but truthfuliy if u dont have love for graffiti ur not gunna do it, who s gunna be bothered climbing rooftops and runing from storeowners at 3 am just to look cool, sure they might at first but they wont keep it up.... so after about half a year of 100 kids who watched tha add and started bombing 99 wil quit, leaving the one dope dedicated kid

its hard to sellout in graffiti cuss realy know oness suposed to know who u are,
revok and cope broke the rules....revok got nabbed.

its a whole lot easier to let record companies influence ur music than sum tv station tell u wat u can and cant paint illeagaly on the street when no ones watchin

[hammer_time]

i believe the word your searcing for is hypocrit, but basically i appreciate that you are getting the point i am making, i dont dislike revok, i dont dislike making money off of graff, or the people that choose to do it, those who do it for people who have no concern for the future of graff, and are hear to rape it....how many graff stores are around now, that were there post 98?

to take an underground culture, that was started by people tired of corporate crap, city politics, financially based institutions, and backward systems, and to work with people who in 5 years will probably contribute to the cleaning of graff when it isnt cool anymore, seems dirty to me.

and no matter how up you get, graff writers are by nature secretive,
we can go for years with police trying to find us, and still remain unknown....

do you really think these companies somehow found these writers, or that these writers sought out people to "use" their skills?

do what you want, its not really my business, and i cant stop anyone, but dont bitch when you cant paint in 5 years......

.......except at the odd ymca that has a legal wall painting ceremony during black history month

[Proper]

Call me a sell out, question my love, do as you please but honestly I do not understand what the problem of being sponsored is. If I want to sell MY art to some company willing to pay me money for my blood, sweat, and tears then by all means I have the right to do so whether you and this "culture" like it or not. Whether some 13 year-old likes it enough to pick it up is not my problem. How are you any different from kids when you started graffiti? Where'd you pick it up? I'm sure the older heads thought you were just some punk-kid in it for the lulz. Eventually a majority of those kids will see graffiti on the streets and on forums such as Bombing Science and 12ozProphet. Do the creators of Bombing Science and/or 12ozProphet get shit for being sell-outs? They're essentially marketing graffiti but don't you all love BS or 12oz? Don't you use it frequently? Everyone has a right to do graffiti and where they picked it up shouldn't be the concern. In essence, all of you claiming that selling your artwork is selling-out are calling every artist in history a sell-out. From Michelangelo to Vincent Van Gogh to Salvador Dali and so on. If you love something, you want it to flourish and thrive not die-out. In the end, all of the kid who love graff will stay and all of the kids who wanted to be hood will eventually leave. It's basically all part of growing up.

[Robbie P]

can someone lock this thread?

you shouldn't post other writer's legal shit on the internet, just isn't right.

[hammer_time]

selling art, canvases, vincent van gogh, picasso, isnt graffiti, its art for fuckin sure, its not being out at night painting train, or wall, or what have you....

i understand those that are true to it will stay, and those in it for the wrong reasons will leave, you would have thought music was the same way, look what rap has become, or rock and roll, the more you can whore the farther you get, and graffiti is on its way to the same section of the store...

i do want graff to flourish, but graff isnt studios, free cans, shoe deals, canvases, and oil paints...

[sketch3]

[quote=hammer_time;1172123]

i you would have thought music was the same way, look what rap has become, or rock and roll, the more you can whore the farther you get, and graffiti is on its way to the same section of the store...

quote]


its a whole lot easier to let record companies influence ur music than sum tv station tell u wat u can and cant paint illeagaly on the street when no ones watchin

[hammer_time]

dont be so sure....
yea but is it still a free expression of you, if you painting an ad to help someone sell something, cuz i guarantee you he's told to add this and that, and to leave that out.....

[sketch3]

yea but revok dosnt paint for ads all te time,


100% of a singed rappers lrics have to be aprove by the lable,

some corperte suit canttell revok shit when ts dark in some ally cuss only the wrighter has controle of what eds upmon the wall, obviously if hes doing a comunity mural or company logo hell have to change some things

[hammer_time]

that is true.....

it's just opinions, noone is really right or wrong, its like the piecer vs. bomber thing, or spirituality....
its just whats inside yourself, mine are different.....this time
its just human nature, that when you feel passionatly about something you want that to be the correct way
kinda like mormans

[BIGel]

selling art, canvases, vincent van gogh, picasso, isnt graffiti, its art for fuckin sure, its not being out at night painting train, or wall, or what have you....

i understand those that are true to it will stay, and those in it for the wrong reasons will leave, you would have thought music was the same way, look what rap has become, or rock and roll, the more you can whore the farther you get, and graffiti is on its way to the same section of the store...

i do want graff to flourish, but graff isnt studios, free cans, shoe deals, canvases, and oil paints...

i guess this is just one of those things we'll all have to agree to disagree on, because i couldnt disagree with you more. but ok, to each his own.

just because i believe you CAN make money from your skills as a graffiti artist doesnt mean i condone others who are seeking to destroy it from the inside out. i know they're there, and they're just like parasites in any other subculture, they'll suck it dry until it cant make money anymore. but i simply dont think revok falls in that category.

[PureSole]

Okay look, the thing is, Graffiti has been around longer, really, than 'Hip-hop' has. Yeah, it started around the same time and merged into hip hop culture, because it was picked up by frustrated individuals (youth mostly) who needed a way to express themselves in inner cities, especially NYC and surrounding cities like Philly. Rap, the vocal part of hip hop, can be said to have "sold out". like the Hilltop Hood's song says, " In 1979, Hip-Hop was a culture.." Today, the vocal part isn't really a culture, its a business. Even underground artists are just in it trying to catch a break.

Graff hasn't been turned into a "business" ("selling out") and won't. They were doing art exhibits with graffiti inspired pieces in the 80s and 90s. Its still very much true to its roots. Berlin, a city previously which previously held a liberal attitude toward graff, is getting tighter with its laws and enforcement. You think if people go into studios, selling their art (even its painted on a train, art, etc. it is art, although it is vandalism at the same time), getting shoe deals, society will open up to it?
No...never. Thats the reason those of us who are sticking around in this crap, are in it. Its not that people know US, they know a name. Some of us do it with the consious thought that were going against establishment, or we just wanna express ourselves, or both. Some of just want the rush that lets you know your alive, or all 3 things. Theres many reasons but at the end of the day

Its all good. No body should stress out about this shit. And if you can make money off a talent, power to you.
Remember hammer, "To perceive is to suffer". I know you don't wanna see it getting "watered down" or w/e. Just stop worrying, it all works out.

[T_R_O_N]

The funny thing about all this is that while all you guys are discussing graffiti politics,as if that even exists lol ,The homie revok is just going to get back out there and continue doing what he loves, and getting paid for it. So enough yapping. You guys sound like the fucking paparazi and tabloids discussing this man's personal buisness.

[sketch3]

n., pl. fo·rums also fo·ra (fôr'ə, fōr'ə).



The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
A public meeting place for open discussion.
A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.

A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.
A court of law; a tribunal.

this a forum

[T_R_O_N]

n., pl. fo·rums also fo·ra (fôr'ə, fōr'ə).



The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
A public meeting place for open discussion.
A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.


A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.
A court of law; a tribunal.

this a forum
Thanks for that definition mate. However, i believe you completely missed what I was getting at because you were trying too hard to be witty. Great try there ole chap.

[sketch3]

no i got ur point old bean,
it was just stupid

[GeSuS_KRiST]

can someone lock this thread?

you shouldn't post other writer's legal shit on the internet, just isn't right.
this thread isnt about there legal trouble its to show how dangerous the internet is....

[T_R_O_N]

no i got ur point old bean,
it was just stupid


naaah, you didn't get it. its all good though. :D

[Proper]

You're point is what we've been discussing this whole time...

[sketch3]

just beause i dont agree with u dosnt mean i dont understand what ur saying,


but i dont gare enuff to continue this

[Slushi]

Whats the big deal about getting paid? How many of you in high school said shit like "I wish I could bomb for a living"?
If revok wanted to sell out he'd write "drink pepsi".

Revok is good at painting. So he paints for money. Just like someone who plays music or works with wood.
Revok also loves to get up. So he risks his life climbing 100 foot billboards.

Cope on the other hand uses his name to endorse clothes, video games, and other stupid bullshit. Cope is a sellout.

[Kayone707]

stop clogging up the topic.
that's why the good afternoon topic was made

*POSTS DELETED

[RAWKET]

haha, i cant beleve that revok got busted because of a video interview he did for BOOST MOBILE
yeah i wonder what boost's and war42's involvement with the artist after they got arrested....... considering that is it was there quest for fame and publicity/promotion that got these artist arrested......... as for tracing back ip's from youtube i doubt either one posted there own work .......all the videos are through boost war42 and known gallery (revoks are usually at legal functions except for the last one that he and augs did) i had a bad feeling something like this would happen to REVOK back when he started fucking with LA times and la weekly a while back.......as for buket i feel for this guy because they are going to throw the book at him

[Neidkill]

All i got to say is fuuuuckkk tha mediaaa!!!!!!

[BIGel]

yeah i wonder what boost's and war42's involvement with the artist after they got arrested....... considering that is it was there quest for fame and publicity/promotion that got these artist arrested......... as for tracing back ip's from youtube i doubt either one posted there own work .......all the videos are through boost war42 and known gallery (revoks are usually at legal functions except for the last one that he and augs did) i had a bad feeling something like this would happen to REVOK back when he started fucking with LA times and la weekly a while back.......as for buket i feel for this guy because they are going to throw the book at him

its a really interesting question, what WILL war42 and boost do and/or say about this whole situation. its a major move for both considering they stand to alienate alot of people if they dont stand by revok. then again alot of boost mobiles investors will be plenty pissed if they do end up backing him. im definately staying tuned.

[Slushi]

All i got to say is fuuuuckkk tha mediaaa!!!!!!

That's dope, you're gangsta.

[hammer_time]

blah blah blah....

just wait another year you'll be able to check it out on the Mountain Dew "extreme" graffiti hour on MTV2

[BIGel]

your a cynical bitch, have more faith in your own people.

[Kayone707]

blah blah blah....

just wait another year you'll be able to check it out on the Mountain Dew "extreme" graffiti hour on MTV2

there has been people like you since the graffiti as we know has started
"OMG Ur A SeLL oUt!!!" etc. etc etc.
for the past 20+ years there is always someone bitching about the 'commercialization of graffiti'.


1)if you REALLY want to be 'anti commercial/ non mainstream media' get off this forum and put in some work
2) shut up, no one cares about ur thoughts
3)again, stop bitching about how everyone is so mainstream on a internet forum

[hammer_time]

1. i put in more work than 90% of anyone on here

2. I can say or think whatever the fuck i want, if you wanna insult people lets consider this, would you be a mod, if every other mod on here wasnt in your crew?

3. again, it seems strange someone who is so immature they insult people over the internet, could ever be a mod without every other mod being in the same crew, chump


just because YOU sit around and think of ways to market something YOU DIDNT CREATE, is no reason to insult someone who thinks its wrong...
insulting people who think differently? sounds like the mtv is already working on you.....

[La Coka Nostra]

i smell the ban hammer.

[also known as MYL]

this aint bungie

[RAWKET]

i smell the ban hammer.
normally i would be against this .......... but since he said he did more graffiti than 90% on here....i looked to see what he does ........i noticed he likes to talk shit on TIE & REVOK .....i say ban this business school graduate....(something about him i dont trust)

[hammer_time]

why because i have something to lose?
i dont post pics on here....
but you know what? they still end up on here....i dont self promo like everyone else.....
legal concerns, son, when you move out of mommy's house and have something to lose maybe you'll understand, oh and dont trust someone who fuckin went to college?
some people have hopes for themselves that are a little deeper than a sack of weed, and some paint......


dont worry about it though, i got pmed by a bunch pf people asking me not to leave, to those guys, sorry....

fuck all the rest of you homos when graff is dead you can look back and say "huh, maybe he wasnt quite as stupid, as i thought"

business school is where i learned about capitalism, thats how it works, find a small market, blow it up, suck it dry, and dump it, and graff being illegal when its dumped its gonna get dumped.....

[Slushi]

Shut up, commy. Your post gets more pseudo-intellectual with every edit.

No ones capitalizing on graffiti. It's only gonna be "cool" for a couple more years then rollerblading is gonna make a comeback.

[Kayone707]

1. i put in more work than 90% of anyone on here

2. I can say or think whatever the fuck i want, if you wanna insult people lets consider this, would you be a mod, if every other mod on here wasnt in your crew?

3. again, it seems strange someone who is so immature they insult people over the internet, could ever be a mod without every other mod being in the same crew, chump


just because YOU sit around and think of ways to market something YOU DIDNT CREATE, is no reason to insult someone who thinks its wrong...
insulting people who think differently? sounds like the mtv is already working on you.....
MTV is working on me?! bahaha... loser

and i was a moderator way before 666 was even created.
on the real, it seems like YOU have been brain washed.

if you are so 'anti america' get the fuck out of the country and move to north korea or some bull shit.
http://www.danharlow.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/kim-jong-il.jpg

[RAWKET]

why because i have something to lose?
i dont post pics on here....
but you know what? they still end up on here....i dont self promo like everyone else.....
legal concerns, son, when you move out of mommy's house and have something to lose maybe you'll understand, oh and dont trust someone who fuckin went to college?
some people have hopes for themselves that are a little deeper than a sack of weed, and some paint......


dont worry about it though, i got pmed by a bunch pf people asking me not to leave, to those guys, sorry....

fuck all the rest of you homos when graff is dead you can look back and say "huh, maybe he wasnt quite as stupid, as i thought"

business school is where i learned about capitalism, thats how it works, find a small market, blow it up, suck it dry, and dump it, and graff being illegal when its dumped its gonna get dumped.....

i can care less what u write or your reasons for your not posting pics .....but when u start talking shit about my boy and TIE and not giving them their respect that they deserve it makes me question your motives for being on here............. as for me for not having nothing to lose ....i prefer it that way ....i can travel and paint like i want ......i lost girlfriends the love of family members now its just me and my graff till death due us part (although mom dukes recently accepted her son is going to be a vandal for life ....we still dont talk that much) as for not trusting a college grad...... i read some of your points of view and i DON"T trust u ....and book smarts don't mean shit
especially in this sport

[hammer_time]

shut up faggot, now revok is your boy?
and just because i think tie had a ugly throw i am disrespecting?
your momma didnt stop loving you cus your a vandal, your a piece of shit with a big mouth, and more than likely you stole money out of her purse, and idnt listen till the point she kicked you out....
i dont trust anyone who is against people who have the desire to gain knowledge.....
tell your boy everything i said i here and let him bring down the godly rath that is revok's corporate lawyers
liar

[BIGel]

your pissed at revok because you dont have the talent to make a living off your artistic side, now your jealous and hating like 90 percent of the world. dont make him sound like an art school fag whos never put in work, he has, alot more than you.

[Bazer]

thats funny cuz hepos quit being a mod about a year ago but we never remove him. hahaha

[Tony]

this thread makes me laugh


im gonna have to side with hammer time on this issue.

[Roolete]

i get the feeling hammer time knows what hes talking about, but he always talks way too much. anyone want to sum up what he said for me so i dont have to read all that?

[Bazer]

graffiti writers are gay.

[simple zen]

i ain't takin' sides in this stupid god damn online beef... but i used to think hammer talked out of his ass constantly, but surprisingly he's pretty smart. however, he takes the anti american shit to an extreme, and it doesn't get much better than this country.

who the FUCK cares if someone doesn't like a particular writers work. to each their fucking own. there's a dude in NY i think he writes GEO or GIO, shit is MADDDD UGLY. but he gets alot of props because other people like his shit and he gets up.

now stop bitching about other people's personal opinion.

[BIGel]

thats the whole point of this thread zen, to argue about your opinion...this isnt a sewing circle, passionate views get heated.

in the end that is the point of the forum, to argue. i may disagree strongly with parts of hammertimes arguments, but i respect people alot more that actually do get heated and passionate about graffiti, even if i dont agree, then those who just dont give a fuck.

[simple zen]

look at it this way...

i'm not gonna freak out on my homeboy who saw an unreadable wild style peice and called it ugly. i really could give a fuck. to me it was beautiful, to others it might have been a toy who tried to hard. although POPULAR opinion would have said it was nice, there's gonna be people that think it's gonna look whack. and you're a pussyboy if you're gonna hold grudges on what someone says looks ugly.

if someone told me my shit was whack i'd most likely try harder next time than tell them to fuck off.

going over someone to me is a different story though. i got respect for even the shittiest of art. i consider going over a toy ass fuck a favor to them, that noone has to see the shit that they wish would just get buffed already.. you could tell who just started writing.

anyway, i think this online beef shit is whack. there's so much more to say than "fuck the media" and "free revok".

[RAWKET]

i first came across REVOK a few years ago ...and yes he and most of the 7th letter crew have shown me mad love .........last but not least TIE was killing shit and ahead of his time 13 years ago and if you dont think he would of progressed being mentored by CYCLE-MQ-SABER-REVOK-BLES-TWIST....etc etc your a fucking idiot

[Proper]

It's a shame you're leaving because this site needs more real writers.

[BIGel]

anyway, i think this online beef shit is whack. there's so much more to say than "fuck the media" and "free revok".

who's beefing? everybodys making some pretty in-depth arguments.

[simple zen]

calling people shit like "faggots", "cynical bitches" and "commys" and such, that's beef in my book.

[BIGel]

all part of argument. those are words getting tossed around, but at least they're part of a larger argument. if this was beef half of the people in this thread would be banned by now.

[LostYouth]

bottom line, watch your back, cause the game is gettin tighter and tighter everyday
i bet there is a cop reading this shit right now

[simple zen]

^^^ fuck yeah there's a cop reading this man... i got roped a half a year ago and they mentioned bombingscience as a "network for graffiti writers" and asked if i knew anything. so i went and made an account lol.

but as the game gets tighter, there's more and more writers being born, no? graffiti is becoming a thing that everyone wants to try, but noone wants to take seriously. pussys with no heart get roped once and stop writing for good.

and there were posts delelted recently... fuck it who cares.

[simple zen]

thats the whole point of this thread zen, to argue about your opinion...this isnt a sewing circle, passionate views get heated.

in the end that is the point of the forum, to argue. i may disagree strongly with parts of hammertimes arguments, but i respect people alot more that actually do get heated and passionate about graffiti, even if i dont agree, then those who just dont give a fuck.

there's a difference between passion for the art and realizing that everyone is entitled to what they like and dislike.

[BIGel]

no theres not they go hand in hand.

[Fube]

simple zen please just SHUT THE FUCK UP. u dont have to read it if u dont want to. we are not taking this as insults like u are. your just fucking up the conversation. we all respect eachother so grow some balls and or get a blind fold if your getting hurt. we all know the difference.

[RAWKET]

there's a difference between passion for the art and realizing that everyone is entitled to what they like and dislike.

theres also a difference between being passionate for the art and being passionate for the act

[Slushi]

graffiti writers are gay.
Yup.

[Slushi]

calling people shit like "faggots", "cynical bitches" and "commys" and such, that's beef in my book.
I wasnt throwing "commy" as an insult. He's a communist. Look at his avatar for fucks sake

[vegimite on toast]

can we all just hug now?

[Proper]

Seriously. We need to hug it out.

[Pickton's Pigpen]

heroin solves everything, even communism.

[GeSuS_KRiST]

got damn right



LAWL @ your sig

["Bi2aR"]

No ones capitalizing on graffiti. It's only gonna be "cool" for a couple more years then rollerblading is gonna make a comeback.
hahaha, ima sig that

[Hobbes]

kinda irrelevant, but you know what pisses me off?

That weed has kinda been capitalized off, yet its still illegal.

Look at all the stoner movies that make tons of moneys, all the bong shops, other stoner paraphenelia, etc.

Capitalism sucks ass

Money should be outlawed

[Proper]

Money should be outlawed

That is the stupiest and funniest thing i've ever read, hahahaha.

[kofferbak]

I hope Above gets arrested. Really soon.
Still praying for it every night

[Hobbes]

That is the stupiest and funniest thing i've ever read, hahahaha.

Why? Its just a middle-man.

Why waste resources creating that shit, when you could have factories of people producing food instead.

I'd rather get paid in useful shit, like food, or rent.

Instead of getting money, then having to turn that over for what I want.

[Kayone707]

you were serious?

[Slushi]

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9030/121685188514qd9.jpg

[Hobbes]

Yeah...my problem has always been that I don't understand societal norms. Everyone seems constricted to certain ideals, "ooh illegal and legal are synonyms for wrong and right" or the 'fact' that your purpose in life is to grow up and get a "job" and have a "boss/employer"

I guess I'm just too open minded for this world.

I can't wait til I leave...

[Slushi]

I guess I'm just too open minded for this world.

I can't wait til I leave...

http://www.criticsrant.com/Images/criticsrant_com/News%20Rants/Batman_joker1.jpg
That can be very well arranged.


But seriously, you're a douche. Money is universal, you can't use food to pay taxes or bills. Law is completely necessary in an organized civilization, and if you don't ever want to contribute to society, your entire existence is meaningless.

[La Coka Nostra]

at first i was like :-l

but then...


:D
i lol'd

[Kayone707]

Yeah...my problem has always been that I don't understand societal norms. Everyone seems constricted to certain ideals, "ooh illegal and legal are synonyms for wrong and right" or the 'fact' that your purpose in life is to grow up and get a "job" and have a "boss/employer"

I guess I'm just too open minded for this world.

I can't wait til I leave...

move to africa and live with bushmen, they have no jobs.

[Proper]

at first i was like :-l

but then...


:D
i lol'd

O'rly?
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/6127/iloldln3.jpg

[La Coka Nostra]

^_^
yep.
rly.

[Slushi]

Funny... buket was caught too, but nobody seems to give a shit.

[BIGel]

well....duh. revok has a helluva lot more national exposure than buket.

[Mr yarbles]

Funny... buket was caught too, but nobody seems to give a shit.
I heard buket wasn't even caught it was one of his friends

[CROSS EM OUT AND PUT A K]

bump this topic...

any news about this lately?

[-Last-]

WE CROSS THEM OUT AND PUT A K

hahha big ups to you know who

[Queezy]

Na they thought buket was evidence from dialated peoples and searched his house but he was like what the fuck and they finally caught him.

[Queezy]

What happened at coachella besides great music and good times?

[nero112]

what you mean evidence from dialated peoples?...

[berd]

Hi!

I need help to do thing like this:
http://www.amuso.com/gameshows/lifestyle/Urban-Art?ref=i/dg

-> the one on your right, of course!

Berd

[City_Flicker]

kinda irrelevant, but you know what pisses me off?

That weed has kinda been capitalized off, yet its still illegal.

Look at all the stoner movies that make tons of moneys, all the bong shops, other stoner paraphenelia, etc.

Capitalism sucks ass

Money should be outlawed


Why? Its just a middle-man.

Why waste resources creating that shit, when you could have factories of people producing food instead.

I'd rather get paid in useful shit, like food, or rent.

Instead of getting money, then having to turn that over for what I want.

you are a fucking idiot and i hate you.

[SKriBL*666]

what you mean evidence from dialated peoples?...

They thought evidence was buket ya?

[MontanaPainter]

that fukin sucks...

[Queezy]

Ya they thought Evidence(main rapper in dialated peoples) was Buket, because in the beginning of one of bukets videos, Evidence is like "you know how we do it *****".

[SKriBL*666]

I would think that thats illegal.
Suspecting him to be buket, and raid the house?...

[Queezy]

Ya he was pissed as fuck

[nero112]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

ok i read that completly wrong .. also just him at the start of a vid means nothing therefore he can sue..:/

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I would think that thats illegal.
Suspecting him to be buket, and raid the house?...

patriot act my dude, all because of the fuckin patriot act

the U.S.A., failing at freedom yet again