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Trashtask
05-10-2004, 04:22 PM
Im a prery good tagger when it comes to makers but when i get into meralls (3-d)
figures I bomb out i cant even do a good one on papper and it sucks ifyou have any good advice ,f pics that can help it is apprshated very much!

stak
05-10-2004, 04:32 PM
are you from *.no?

EvokeOne
05-10-2004, 04:47 PM
If your in High school take art class. That helps a lot.

RMA
05-10-2004, 05:01 PM
3Ds always been common sense to me, just pay attention to your surroundings figure out how they are, it's simple.

Swollen Member
05-10-2004, 05:40 PM
This is how I always do it, and it always works.


1) Pick any spot on the page, or pick a spot where you want your shadow(3-D) to go. Mark it with a small dot.

2) Connect all possible points on your sketch to it, with desired length. Using a ruler could be helpful.

Swollen Member
05-10-2004, 05:41 PM
Oh, and when you've connected all the points to the dot (within desired length), connect lines on each letter to close the gap.

FOEone
05-10-2004, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by Swollen Member@May 10 2004, 05:40 PM
This is how I always do it, and it always works.


1) Pick any spot on the page, or pick a spot where you want your shadow(3-D) to go. Mark it with a small dot.

2) Connect all possible points on your sketch to it, with desired length. Using a ruler could be helpful.
its called the vanishing point

ESNED
05-10-2004, 05:52 PM
i do that alot very easy

kamikaze
05-10-2004, 05:57 PM
I took a art class at the college in sixth grade and that helped me a lot... If your school doesnt have a good art class, go to a community College

Swollen Member
05-10-2004, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by FOEone+May 10 2004, 05:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FOEone @ May 10 2004, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Swollen Member@May 10 2004, 05:40 PM
This is how I always do it, and it always works.


1) Pick any spot on the page, or pick a spot where you want your shadow(3-D) to go. Mark it with a small dot.

2) Connect all possible points on your sketch to it, with desired length. Using a ruler could be helpful.


its called the vanishing point [/b][/quote]
Ah yes, thank you for clearing that up.

shaffer
05-10-2004, 11:50 PM
um an easy way to do 3D is by drawing lines of equal length from every corner point anything that sticks out basically, but make sure they all go to the left, up, right, etc. SAME DIRECTion. now on the side of that letter connect all of the lines.
for practice try this: draw a square. now draw lines going up and to the left from every corner. now connect all the lines on each side. TADA&#33; you have a poppy boxy thingy. hope this helped :D

MoNkEy
05-11-2004, 10:43 AM
i duno ive allways been able to do 3-d like in maths when i have to draw shapes i can do it perfectley same wid art aswell i have allways been able to.

MoNkEy

BeMo
05-12-2004, 03:34 PM
yea, like swollen said, just take and draw back to the vanishing point, simple really.

EvokeOne
05-12-2004, 04:50 PM
A SHADOW IS NOT PART OF 3-D ITS IN THE CATEGORY FOR SHADES. SO SHADO AND 3-D ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

method
05-12-2004, 05:36 PM
just to make you probably more confused
there are 2 kinds of " 3-D " in visual art
the one with vanishing point, and the one without vanishing point
- both was brought up, vanishing point 3-ding is the one where you connect ur letters to the dot, the none vanishing point one is the one where you make all your lines the same length and pointing one direction. example - all 3-d edges points down.

another kind of 3Ding that i htought was pretty krazy is when you set your vanishing point in the middle of your word. example - when i tag NEXION, i would probably have a imaginary vanishing point somewhere on the right side of X where the the center of the word is. ( "I" takes up little space ) and just like the vanishing point 3-ding, connect sides to the imaginary vanishing point. you may have to do a bit more work because you are connecting all inner sides of the letters instead of outer sides. ( when you 3d normally )

ok.. i thought that was pretty confusing coming from myself.. sowwie

jurass finish first
05-12-2004, 05:59 PM
ya the shadow isnt too hard to do. . . but if you make it really big and shade it so it looks like the lights hitting it from a certain direction it looks pretty good. but i think this guys talkin about like daim 3d and shit. in which case i can&#39;t help you at all haha

oblong
05-13-2004, 06:47 PM
anyone who calls themselves " a pretty good tagger" should quit writing right now. not to be negative but for future reference never calls yourself a "tagger" again

thank you&#33;

afterten
05-13-2004, 07:51 PM
if you&#39;re starting out, just try to keep all your 3D lines parallel.

EX:
http://www.visualorgasm.com/photos/to-causr016.jpg

look at his 3d lines. they all go straight down, parallel to each other. thats just basic 3D. start simple.

P.S. thanks to VO for the flick. thanks to Causr for being great.

ESNED
05-13-2004, 08:05 PM
simple is simple for the simple

shaffer
05-14-2004, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by EvokeOne@May 12 2004, 04:50 PM
A SHADOW IS NOT PART OF 3-D ITS IN THE CATEGORY FOR SHADES. SO SHADO AND 3-D ARE NOT THE SAME THING.
my bad but hey now i know

DEMO
06-03-2004, 10:59 PM
TOY

WRITES-one
06-04-2004, 12:38 AM
why the fuck people always callin other people toys........ if there doin something wrong, why dont u try helpin em

share the knowledge yo

pSYKAOz
06-04-2004, 01:33 AM
Originally posted by afterten@May 13 2004, 07:51 PM
if you&#39;re starting out, just try to keep all your 3D lines parallel.

EX:
http://www.visualorgasm.com/photos/to-causr016.jpg

look at his 3d lines. they all go straight down, parallel to each other. thats just basic 3D. start simple.

P.S. thanks to VO for the flick. thanks to Causr for being great.
like in that flix... its called parrallel perspective. that means object at any distance are their real size. real life is NOT like this.

we have vanishing perspective. (3point). that means the farther an object is the smaller it appears to be.

practice vanishing point. draw simple shapes like squares and shit. do a dot and do like some ppl above said...

then do 2 dots. one on the right of your page and one somewhere below towards the middle.

draw two lines coming DIRECTLY out of your right dot moving outwards to the left...

draw two lines coming outta your bottom dot moving out to the top.

where your lines crisscross make dots. rely the dots. u now have a 2 point perspective.

now to goto 3 point (the intresting one)...

just add another dot so it forms a triangle of 3 point... make more lines.... these will go from your 3rd dot to the corners of your square.

now to make it look right...

use your 2 first points to make lines that crisscross with your 3rd dot lines... then do dots at intersections and rely them... u should now have a box...

practice this shit then do simple block letters... now like when i do 3d shit i dont need to put the dots i can just freestyle it... once u start thinking 3d its so easy... also helps to do some 3D on computer... that shit gave me alot of help. since i had done that b4 graff i got it easy.

if ane1 couldnt get that then say so and ill friggin do some sketches to illustrate

pSYKAOz
06-04-2004, 01:35 AM
oh and bout that shadow shit...

for those who know their shit...

u know that shadows follow the exact same rules as 3d. u can do parrallel shadows like on throws or u can use 3 point vanishing to do your shadows realisticly.

ESNED
06-04-2004, 01:59 AM
got this lil trick from a friend put somthing up to the light and see how it shadows off to learn shadowing.

pSYKAOz
06-04-2004, 04:28 AM
Originally posted by pSYKAOz@Jun 4 2004, 01:35 AM
oh and bout that shadow shit...

for those who know their shit...

u know that shadows follow the exact same rules as 3d. u can do parrallel shadows like on throws or u can use 3 point vanishing to do your shadows realisticly.
duno why i said 3 point vanish for shadows lol...

i meant one vanishing point. use your lightsource as the vanishing point

SCORE
06-04-2004, 11:59 AM
yo psykaos, what does that sketch say, ive been asking myself..

WRITES-one
06-04-2004, 12:12 PM
i dont really understand that 3 point vanashing thing.....

jus this mourning i tryed a vanashing point in the very center of my peice, it looks pretty good.... but not quite right for sum reason:unsure:

id like to see some sketches like that

pSYKAOz
06-04-2004, 12:20 PM
aight ill make a lil tutorial or something....

score:the one in my signature? says FAe

Thief
06-04-2004, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by WRITES&#045;one@Jun 4 2004, 12:38 AM
why the fuck people always callin other people toys........ if there doin something wrong, why dont u try helpin em

share the knowledge yo
Thas what I&#39;m talkin about. By the way, what would be a good color shadwo for a pink bomb?

pSYKAOz
06-04-2004, 12:58 PM
for a pink bomb... black, silver, baby blue, dark pink, some greens might work also



http://membres.lycos.fr/psykaoz/a_perspective.jpg

to make that last one a lil more clear did this in photoshop
http://membres.lycos.fr/psykaoz/a_perspective2.jpg

ESNED
06-05-2004, 07:25 AM
how do i 3d py?

pSYKAOz
06-05-2004, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by ESNED@Jun 5 2004, 07:25 AM
how do i 3d py?
what do u mean exactly?

just practice with cubes like above then try rectangles and like square spaghetti-like letters... then move on to more complex shit

.5kank.*scK.
06-06-2004, 12:19 AM
man psykaoz, thats some awesome help man, ive always been good with 3d but could never figure out that 3 point thing, now i got it. THANKS A LOT MAN.

oblong
06-06-2004, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by FOEone+May 10 2004, 05:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FOEone @ May 10 2004, 05:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Swollen Member@May 10 2004, 05:40 PM
This is how I always do it, and it always works.


1) Pick any spot on the page, or pick a spot where you want your shadow(3-D) to go. Mark it with a small dot.

2) Connect all possible points on your sketch to it, with desired length. Using a ruler could be helpful.
its called the vanishing point [/b][/quote]
yes foe is right, good old art classss :D

canaru
06-07-2004, 04:21 PM
a lot of people talking more about 2d and not 3d there is a big differentce......if you have lines going one direction from every part of the letters that would be a 2d cuse you only can se two sides....and if you have depth in you letter and stuff like that now its 3d...........(ex.loomet, daim, they got depth and some letters are in spece..)

pSYKAOz
06-07-2004, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by canaru@Jun 7 2004, 04:21 PM
a lot of people talking more about 2d and not 3d there is a big differentce......if you have lines going one direction from every part of the letters that would be a 2d cuse you only can se two sides....and if you have depth in you letter and stuff like that now its 3d...........(ex.loomet, daim, they got depth and some letters are in spece..)
look at what i posted.

parralle 3d. still 3d its just a simplified form.

and on 2D u can only see two axis... X and Y. that means things have no thickness... with parallel 3d u have thickness only the axis dont warp with distance...


oh and for those really wanting to push their 3d try this its fun....

do the cube in 3 point vanishing

but dont make straight lines.... imagine a sphere and make curved lines as if they ran on its surface... will give u a fish lens type 3d... cool shit&#33;

pSYKAOz
06-07-2004, 05:31 PM
was messing around with that curved lines theory... :D fun shit haha

http://membres.lycos.fr/psykaoz/a_perspective3.jpg

toy_ONED
06-07-2004, 06:56 PM
i can&#39;t remember shit about 3-d...i&#39;ma take art next year.

Thief
06-07-2004, 08:49 PM
Thanks pSY, quite helpful

leit
06-08-2004, 03:48 PM
holy shit its obvious that you suck, pSYKAOz :P

nah that really good information though thanks

Also could you like take your signiture and like explane on how you did that.
nice work.

LEIT

neurosis
06-08-2004, 08:22 PM
if you look at everyday objects around you and still cant figure out 3d for yourself you should probably join the anti-graffiti squad

.5kank.*scK.
06-08-2004, 10:22 PM
yah psy, post a big pic of your signature, its an awesome sketch i wanna get a really good look at it.
thanks.
5kank69er

leit
06-08-2004, 10:24 PM
yeah thats understandable lol. It was the way he taught it that i was wondering about.

neurosis if you got any pictures of paintings that you&#39;ve done post them up. I want to see your skill..

LEIT

Oh yeah is there a Anti-Graffiti Squad? lol I never heard of one in WI. Once my friend had to scrub off tags on newpaper things, but that was for comunity service.

pSYKAOz
06-08-2004, 10:30 PM
i posted in the sketch thread but neways heres some of my 3d...

but i dont use vanishing points i just imagine this shit in my head youll get the hand of it with a tad of practice... not hard really...


http://membres.lycos.fr/psykaoz/t_waste_W_oldcomputer_3d.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/psykaoz/t_waste_W_3d_andflat.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/psykaoz/t_waste_W_bNw_page.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/psykaoz/t_waste_W_3d_skwild.jpg

http://membres.lycos.fr/psykaoz/t_fae_3d_pencils.jpg

leit
06-08-2004, 10:33 PM
oh i thought you did the vanishing point in that also thats why i wanted to know how you did that. CAuse i practiced that vanishing point stuff and i thouhgt it would be pretty hard.

Whats really cool about your sig is that skadowing when you curve the letters. Did you learn that in a class?

pSYKAOz
06-08-2004, 10:34 PM
well like after a while u dont need todo it since your brain automaticly knows what looks right.

leit
06-08-2004, 11:03 PM
http://tunit25.tripod.com/rawness.JPG
the raw circles.. Do you do that in your work with paint also?

pSYKAOz
06-10-2004, 03:29 PM
i dont piece much i bomb more.
so i havent pieced anything since like last year and i havent done any 3d yet.
oh and it says optimum reality

leit
06-10-2004, 05:00 PM
oh i see

Yan
06-22-2004, 06:43 PM
good job killing the thread leit *bump* i think this is useful so im bumping it

oh yea if your rich
http://drawsketch.about.com/cs/publications/gr/rvdraw3d.htm

for aLL YOU poor people like me ( note: i know it s really kiddish and stuff but it give you some perspective on how to draw 3-d)

broke.down
06-23-2004, 04:03 PM
if you want make a good 3d you need to control easy your cans

/*BlItZ*\
06-23-2004, 08:44 PM
what really helps alot visualy to give your 3-d a more depth effect is to add(what i call shading, which i think isnt the proper term) a light source and giving shadow; making a part of your fill or sides a lighter color than the rest. for instance, if u make a light come from the top right, the shadow will be on the bottom left. its easy. it looks good without a shadow too, give it a try :D

dcite
06-24-2004, 10:48 PM
its simple man, and you dont even need to use a vanishing point, you can just make sure every line of the 3d-ing is perfectly parallel, and itll look ill. your eyes will get used to 3d stuff, and you wont even have to think about it..

draino
06-24-2004, 11:12 PM
the best tip(and it has been posted) is art class the here are some more
FOR SHADOWING: a shadow is the exact copy of the letter of piece, just a little bit pushed on the side.
if you want to make your letter look like a block or something, you make lines at every corner of your letters and connect them(like those cubes that were posted

slavetopaint
06-25-2004, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by Swollen Member@May 10 2004, 05:40 PM
This is how I always do it, and it always works.


1) Pick any spot on the page, or pick a spot where you want your shadow(3-D) to go. Mark it with a small dot.

2) Connect all possible points on your sketch to it, with desired length. Using a ruler could be helpful.


"one point perspective" ....take some are classes, or just look it up

jurass finish first
06-25-2004, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by slavetopaint+Jun 25 2004, 12:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slavetopaint @ Jun 25 2004, 12:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Swollen Member@May 10 2004, 05:40 PM
This is how I always do it, and it always works.


1) Pick any spot on the page, or pick a spot where you want your shadow(3-D) to go. Mark it with a small dot.

2) Connect all possible points on your sketch to it, with desired length. Using a ruler could be helpful.


"one point perspective" ....take some are classes, or just look it up [/b][/quote]
also &#39;vanishing point&#39;

what does the name matter? it looks the same

pSYKAOz
06-25-2004, 03:51 AM
proper name IS vanishing point. but um its been said alot of times up there...

so intead of trying to look smart and all why not really help?

dcite
06-25-2004, 09:50 AM
hm, tons of good tips here..

HeTaK-cac
06-26-2004, 04:40 PM
yeah everybody give good tips now its the time to do sketch lol

MANiAkONe
06-27-2004, 12:20 AM
lol i know that at a school in lachine u can take graph classes with snyper :o lol thats one heck of a class man&#33;

root
08-15-2004, 05:57 PM
werd

Slob
08-18-2004, 02:19 PM
One way of doing 3-D styles also is to set 2 focal points(same as vanishing point) one at either side of your paper, and use one point to construct your lettering, and the other one to construct your 3-D. You can also change directions of the letters, so some letters are on the 3-D focal point, and the 3-D would be lead to the other focal point, so you get really good depth to your style. I think this makes sense, i will try to post some examples of my art. in the mean time check out www.daim.org or www.neckcns.com.

root
08-20-2004, 05:41 AM
werd

pSYKAOz
10-03-2004, 09:33 PM
bump for gesus&#33; ;)

sika_2002
10-04-2004, 02:44 PM
i came to this thread expecting to se flix, damn u

DOUK or DIE
10-05-2004, 07:00 PM
if you have any artistic talent at all then shadowing and the 3rd dimension should come natural to you but the thing ith the vanishing point does help alot they teach it in basic art

ESNED
12-19-2004, 02:06 AM
takes time i cant do 3d shit...

yuki
12-19-2004, 02:23 AM
uuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhh...
http://www.strikefear.com/archives/lurch1.jpg
but seriously...what everyone else said.

edit: and neck is one of the pimpest 3d artists.
pimpest, is that a word? :blink:

Bretto
12-19-2004, 02:24 AM
neither but its good to learn

.limit.
12-20-2004, 05:56 PM
i have done wuite a bit of 3d and perspective and all the vanishing pint stuff
but now i think i can do it free hand
so here was my first attempt at freehanding absrtact
note:i posted this in the other 3d thread:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/shiftrocks85/3d/img032.jpg
i&#39;m still not grar i just wanted some help

DNA
12-23-2004, 08:31 PM
pSY, that tuorial was super easy, i copyed it by hand into my blackbook, a reference and i got practice, thanks&#33;

"awesome"ONE
12-25-2004, 12:17 PM
I&#39;m not really sure which kind of 3-D your talking about but with the normal 3-D peices(not like Daim) practice making a vanishing point or something to help make your dimentions straight, then when you think you got it down try sketching a bit and incorporating those techniques into your drawings. remember whenever your drawing 3-d of any kind make sure the lines are in proportion with the letters. And don&#39;t make em too lopsided looking it looks kinda bad.

_Zombi3
12-25-2004, 02:50 PM
is it better to add the 3-d as u write the letters?? or write them first then add 3-d

GeSuS_KRiST
12-26-2004, 09:20 PM
6 posts down people come on&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; dont be fuckin lazy

Malicious artist
09-23-2006, 10:18 AM
i imagin shinning a light from one top corner and like look at the shadow and i dunno just think woat it would look like

Slaze
09-23-2006, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by DEMO@Jun 3 2004, 10:59 PM
TOY
i hope to god u burn in hell

Malicious artist
11-26-2006, 06:35 AM
well first off go to the toys forum, then just draw and figure it out

wiggahata
11-27-2006, 02:21 AM
YO, ALL I NO IZ DAT FREE-D IZ BETTA DEN 2-D.


1 TYME I WUZ UP IN DA 2-D LYKE "WOAH" N DEN A FOO WUZ LYKE "JABBA JABBA JOO HIT ME FOO"




"KERL UP YASELF OR ELZE ULL NO DA MAN IN DA WORLD WITCHA SELF WORD"

CaNs
11-27-2006, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by EvokeOne@May 10 2004, 04:47 PM
If your in High school take art class. That helps a lot.
dude my schools art teacher is SPY, it so tight he has everyone watch graff videos and he brings in his apprentice to teach people too. His name is Mr. Norberg and he is high like everyday, it&#39;s hilarious.

Edit:yes actually the SPY, the one who wrote with DREAM

-testify-
11-30-2006, 11:23 PM
^you lucky lil shit

Decade
12-02-2006, 07:06 PM
shit thats really cool
my art teacher is some fat lesbian

shifty_ruc
12-02-2006, 07:20 PM
dude, its all about the shadows. Mater that shit and soon you&#39;ll be big pimpin walls.

nurevekcivic00
12-03-2006, 05:49 PM
i think hes talkin about 3d graff as in the daim style- like this http://www.daimshop.de/images/art-nr._601332_007_daim.jpg
and iv been workin on it for awhile and i cant seem to get it right myself. there seems to be atleast 1 vanish point for every letter and that point is never in the same spot and is both above and below the horizon line. some letters have the vanish point close to the center of the letter (the same way u draw a road) making it look as if it was going back in space

acidconceptone
12-03-2006, 06:10 PM
thats fucking sick

RAIN_TRB88
12-03-2006, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by method@May 12 2004, 05:36 PM
just to make you probably more confused
there are 2 kinds of " 3-D " in visual art
the one with vanishing point, and the one without vanishing point
- both was brought up, vanishing point 3-ding is the one where you connect ur letters to the dot, the none vanishing point one is the one where you make all your lines the same length and pointing one direction. example - all 3-d edges points down.

another kind of 3Ding that i htought was pretty krazy is when you set your vanishing point in the middle of your word. example - when i tag NEXION, i would probably have a imaginary vanishing point somewhere on the right side of X where the the center of the word is. ( "I" takes up little space ) and just like the vanishing point 3-ding, connect sides to the imaginary vanishing point. you may have to do a bit more work because you are connecting all inner sides of the letters instead of outer sides. ( when you 3d normally )

ok.. i thought that was pretty confusing coming from myself.. sowwie
ive done that 3d on a few pieces, looks cool.

faime
12-06-2006, 05:41 PM
do each letter seperate for daim-style letters in light pencil w 3d

then ink

shifty_ruc
12-07-2006, 11:17 PM
Daim style is about twisting & distorting. Master your consepts of 3 dimentional space, 3 point perspective, and work on the visualization of a a twisting cube. You&#39;ll get it with practice.

NosE2
12-09-2006, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by method@May 12 2004, 05:36 PM

...another kind of 3Ding that i htought was pretty krazy is when you set your vanishing point in the middle of your word.
my boy enme..
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/866/notwontooohshit0ug1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/5980/post15791163013922nz2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)