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atlok7
11-26-2008, 04:09 PM
Rasek- always amazing me..

Shpel- work on making your letters flow as you bend them.. the H seems a little out of place.
Skin- the simple looks good. the extensions just dont fit in the second piece.
Snap- you have some of the best simples on this forum i think. you, and rasek.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f90/goonies3845/Photo43.jpg
dunno how i feel about the extensions.. but im kinda workin with a newer style for myself..
i actually think this is pretty dope. try to add some drop shadow and loose the background

ESKiMO2
11-26-2008, 05:50 PM
http://fc97.deviantart.com/fs39/f/2008/330/4/0/Calors_by_Rhino_fish.jpg

Lump.

osnapizzel
11-26-2008, 06:18 PM
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7964/screencapture19du4.png

klic
11-26-2008, 06:35 PM
rasek - shits on point bro
oh snap- shits fuckin tight, loven the simps
garbage - ill fill

Somethen I started

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d39/Lithium_theory/asbw1.jpg

Crits

i am so confused

King_Geedorah
11-26-2008, 07:05 PM
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7964/screencapture19du4.png

hella greasy!

gunsofbrooklyn
11-26-2008, 07:20 PM
^sorry bro put those pics are broken


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3160/3061284867_9d493cf34e.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/3056525780_4dc91cafa3.jpg
This one was for the "your name backwards" battle but i missed the date.
Except the arrow ontop of the I i quite like it.
Crits?

liking the letter structure and color. what marker or pencil crayon brand you use?

-Wings-
11-26-2008, 07:58 PM
A simple
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e357/LockDown2/CCF25112008_00000-1.jpg
A piece
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e357/LockDown2/CCF25112008_00000.jpg
Cruts please. No hate :)!

Bump

King_Geedorah
11-26-2008, 08:07 PM
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a253/bmackay/IMG_1971-1.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a253/bmackay/IMG_1982.jpg

Crits, anyone?

klic
11-26-2008, 10:02 PM
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq26/klic1/SNOWSimpsBattle.jpg
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/qq26/klic1/SHPELGreenThrowandHandys.jpg

youth - letters are nice, work on your handy

skin - that bottom piece is looking fresh, keep doing those

sketched - that fill looks sick, not feeling your s though

ohsnap - looking fresh, keep at it

Worms
11-26-2008, 10:03 PM
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k430/Atrik/Reken1.jpg
king loose the weird thing goin on at the end of the y and the t and get rid of those lines goin into the fill then itll look solid like your bottom one

skin ur simples are alright but they could be beter fix the top of your s up and the top of ur k looks weird to

oh snap dope throws do me one :-Pp

anteater BAHAHAHAHA simples that reminds me of a fucked up puzzle that cant be put together

b SQUARED 08
11-26-2008, 10:25 PM
Ant Eater: I'll give it to ya straight... you couldn't be doing it any more incorrectly. New To Graff thread if you really want to learn.

Worms
11-26-2008, 10:30 PM
i am so confused
i think i see n a and a b

BigBlueViolence
11-26-2008, 10:41 PM
it's an A and an S
http://i37.tinypic.com/hwby82.jpg

SAID
11-26-2008, 10:47 PM
http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k430/Atrik/Reken1.jpg
king loose the weird thing goin on at the end of the y and the t and get rid of those lines goin into the fill then itll look solid like your bottom one

skin ur simples are alright but they could be beter fix the top of your s up and the top of ur k looks weird to

oh snap dope throws do me one :-Pp

anteater BAHAHAHAHA simples that reminds me of a fucked up puzzle that cant be put together

this has MADDDDDDDDD potential man

"Bi2aR"
11-26-2008, 11:36 PM
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s154/V_Be_Me/Photo12-1.jpg
wasn't feeling this very much

worms-thats a nice style, man keep it upOhsnap-thats a nice throwy man
Side-don't let the s overlap the I on the first one like that, same goes for the D, but im really feeling you e on the seconded one

garbage down tha way
11-26-2008, 11:42 PM
i know its shitty, but sketching is boring as hell.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/lunchdrunk/h-7.jpg

Rasek that new shits ill. the only thing id try to improve on is the S. Not that it's bad but I've seen nicer ones from you.

snew- the letters by themselves are nice but the addons ruin it.


bump tasty fone ohsnap eskimo


bump no critisizms. fuckers.

thebaconator
11-26-2008, 11:44 PM
said- i dont like the N otherwise its pretty clean man
bigblue- what the shit is that?
crits?.....new style these are the first 2 iv done like this
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r13/onedayafter3/DSC03177.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r13/onedayafter3/DSC03178.jpg

not_hammer_time
11-26-2008, 11:58 PM
i know its shitty, but sketching is boring as hell.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a390/lunchdrunk/h-7.jpg

Rasek that new shits ill. the only thing id try to improve on is the S. Not that it's bad but I've seen nicer ones from you.

snew- the letters by themselves are nice but the addons ruin it.


bump tasty fone ohsnap eskimo

if you want em' you got em'

it looks to me like you REALLY want to be in msk...


......kinda unoriginal

it is dope though i mean good colors, lines, flow etc. just has that played out ass msk thing goin on

balance42020
11-27-2008, 02:26 AM
WHAT UP I just want to make this clear for people who responded to it: A few pages back i wrote "your a toy?" i meant to make the post right under OSNAP cause i thought he was not a toy, it just took long to post and ended up a few posts down. i think the snew is dope. i just wanted to clarify cuase some dude thought i was talkin shit and i wasnt. so there.

balance42020
11-27-2008, 02:30 AM
its childish people writing "your a toy?" on these forums, theyve happily admittedly placed themselves on this specific forum for a reason and dont need people to remind them, only get help

buck up guys cmon

i dont mean to double post but i want people to know what im talking about. "your a toy?" doesnt even sound like a diss, it was supposed to be a compliment.

YOUR A TOY!!!!!

your reaction should have been to something like that

anyway im over it

osnapizzel
11-27-2008, 02:31 AM
WHAT UP I just want to make this clear for people who responded to it: A few pages back i wrote "your a toy?" i meant to make the post right under OSNAP cause i thought he was not a toy, it just took long to post and ended up a few posts down. i think the snew is dope. i just wanted to clarify cuase some dude thought i was talkin shit and i wasnt. so there.

its a sore subject for me lol, i battle with the big boys but i think one particular mod hates my shit personally and always deletes it when i post in the big boy thread (even though ive asked him personally for promission before). so i post here to avoid the uneeded beef, shit happens im over it

balance42020
11-27-2008, 02:38 AM
and by the way man i love all your shit so much thats why i was like what are you doing in the toy section but i feel what youre saying. i mainly thought you werent a toy cause youve got your own style goin on, you could write anything and i'd know it was you

Zase
11-27-2008, 08:24 AM
http://i37.tinypic.com/2itspx0.jpg
hate me

Sketched!
11-27-2008, 11:12 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3160/3061284867_9d493cf34e.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/3056525780_4dc91cafa3.jpg
This one was for the "your name backwards" battle but i missed the date.
Except the arrow ontop of the I i quite like it.
Crits?

Bump ? :o

Worms
11-27-2008, 11:16 AM
crit others to get crited u ******

WoeInfinite
11-27-2008, 12:58 PM
considering a name change..but idk.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h26/SoopaxVillain/banecolor.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h26/SoopaxVillain/baneleadsteez.jpg

Each
11-27-2008, 01:35 PM
woe. your colourin is pretty cool. like the ideas. what i would do is change the flow from the n and the e. doesnt seem like it flows that good. pretty cool name though

WoeInfinite
11-27-2008, 01:42 PM
yeah i didnt like the E either..
thanks though dude.

Each
11-27-2008, 01:47 PM
and i probably wouldnt bring the a leg so close to the b. it kinda looks like rane with the a comin off the r but its just thi pic

ESKiMO2
11-27-2008, 02:50 PM
Revplution (Backwards U) Looks best if you step back from the screen
http://fc84.deviantart.com/fs38/f/2008/331/4/5/Revolution__by_Rhino_fish.jpg

Woe- Try to make it flow
Side- Second one is great
Zase- Ill as always
Garbage- It looks a bit too much like a tag.

balance42020
11-27-2008, 04:22 PM
why do you do graff on the computer...........

TaskOne
11-27-2008, 04:39 PM
yoyo some random shiznit from the past month.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/snipakip/cool.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/snipakip/Shit005.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/snipakip/Shit006.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/snipakip/Shit007.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/snipakip/Shit010.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/snipakip/Shit011.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/snipakip/cool3.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/snipakip/cool1.jpg

antere07
11-27-2008, 04:49 PM
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n82/antere07/DSC04317.jpg

new un

crits please

sketch_three
11-27-2008, 05:04 PM
dope we gotta change sumtime

osnapizzel
11-27-2008, 05:11 PM
nice job task, im liking the throws too. hit me up if you wonna exchange

TaskOne
11-27-2008, 05:20 PM
thanks snap yea im down

Scino & Spank
11-27-2008, 05:48 PM
http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e96/ScinoandSpank/PICT0139.jpg

cornchips
11-27-2008, 07:53 PM
i dislike the revolution

librelikespie
11-27-2008, 07:56 PM
yoyo some random shiznit from the past month.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/snipakip/Shit011.jpg


Tezm T and Cais A?

no beef

KnoxIn
11-27-2008, 08:02 PM
hey everyone how did you get your style like i cant really find anything unique i can't get much that looks good either but i guess im just not that creative?? any advice?? and just the shapes of the letters what can i do about that like mine are really blocky i cant add like curves or anything without it lookin weird... so i need some advice?

TaskOne
11-27-2008, 08:33 PM
i go on bombing science like once every 2 months. I have no idea who tezm is :P

Worms
11-27-2008, 08:43 PM
knoxin n e wun who has style has been sketching for more then a year... it takes a while you start with the basics letters like on your keyboard then u slowly try tweakin things tossin what u dont like and keeping wat you like... over time u find more and more shit you like and you start to flow it and so on until you find your style... it takes time *****h'

ESKiMO2
11-27-2008, 08:44 PM
Revplution (Backwards U) Looks best if you step back from the screen
http://fc84.deviantart.com/fs38/f/2008/331/4/5/Revolution__by_Rhino_fish.jpg

Woe- Try to make it flow
Side- Second one is great
Zase- Ill as always
Garbage- It looks a bit too much like a tag.

Bump... Still no crits.
I sketch it, then I ink it and then color it on the computer. I don't "do graff on the computer".

-Wings-
11-27-2008, 10:31 PM
Task - Im diggin like one of those sketchs, but on your S. You need to distinguish it more.
Eskimo - Photoshop ftw, and loooks dope as usual.


First time using photoshop and my sketchs combined. And yes I realize its cut off.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e357/LockDown2/SKINONE.png

Syke1
11-27-2008, 10:39 PM
dAm this shit is kinda simalar 2 Puregraffiti but different...

CRITS
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm140/adrianizpimp/bbbbbbbbbb.jpg

balance42020
11-27-2008, 10:56 PM
skin looks way better than revolution in my opinion, but honestly i was never feelin the revolution, sorry. edit: im gonna crit more instead of just saying i dont like it.

the N at the end looks like a K to me with some weird thing behind it, yeah thats all i got... i just dont like the style, anyways.... skin looks dope.......

is this what i should be doing, i used bars.. doesnt really even seem like graffiti to me but this is right?
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p127/dannymanmancanman/1127082019.jpg

librelikespie
11-27-2008, 11:40 PM
skin your S looks like an E :S

seywhat
11-28-2008, 12:24 AM
dAm this shit is kinda simalar 2 Puregraffiti but different...

CRITS
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm140/adrianizpimp/bbbbbbbbbb.jpg

word to this, solid ass letters and clean as fuck. keep doin your thang bro.

im not really feelin the character though

Syke1
11-28-2008, 12:31 AM
haha yea thanks bro...i had 2 fill in the space...ill get it next time though=]

osnapizzel
11-28-2008, 12:54 AM
balance the bottom of your r doesent really look like clean bars its kinda curved where it should be sharp also bring the r closer to the t. your on the right track though

skin im diggin the digital fill just make sure you dont get too used to it, keep your marker skills up too you know what im sayin

eskimo it seems to me like the ution part is slightly smaller hight wise than the rest, might be just me

Syke1
11-28-2008, 12:56 AM
mo crits on mine!!?

CandyRain88
11-28-2008, 01:06 AM
http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq293/CandyRain_UGC/Scan_41.jpg
from a one way exchange a while back.

osnapizzel
11-28-2008, 01:09 AM
mo crits on mine!!?

give critts to recieve em kid

Worms
11-28-2008, 01:17 AM
bizar your b and ur r are weird dont make that middle connection angle so high upwards mellow and striaghten it out

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k430/Atrik/reken4.jpg
i know its shit but its work in progress ive yet to fuck around with extensions and i know the n is shit i doodled it out jus now

Syke1
11-28-2008, 01:17 AM
u didnt have nun 2 b critted on lol but skin..i saw it on pg n critted him on there but...it sed that that shit was dope...it had nice colors n had 2 b put on the wall=]!

osnapizzel
11-28-2008, 01:23 AM
worms im lovin those letters man

BigBlueViolence
11-28-2008, 01:32 AM
I'm with Snap on the letters,
but the N seems a little plain compared to the other ones.

Edit- my bad, didn't see you already pointed that out.

CandyRain88
11-28-2008, 02:00 AM
bizar your b and ur r are weird dont make that middle connection angle so high upwards mellow and striaghten it out



im not bizar it was an exchange but thanks anyways

also dope letters just i dont know what that last one is so you might want to fix that

some more old shit
http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq293/CandyRain_UGC/Scan.jpg
http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq293/CandyRain_UGC/Scan_50.jpg
http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq293/CandyRain_UGC/1116081651.jpg
http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq293/CandyRain_UGC/1119082236a.jpg

fonone
11-28-2008, 09:20 AM
task loving the simples
reken - looking good, i just dontlike the K, maybe make it more like the R
syke - good style dude, also with decent structure, just not really feeling the spade/heart thing.
skin - shit letters, work on simples like the one a few pages back
eskimo - i think you should have wrote looks better if you have no idea of letter structure, letters are whack as usual, but whatever

-Wings-
11-28-2008, 09:45 AM
task loving the simples
reken - looking good, i just dontlike the K, maybe make it more like the R
syke - good style dude, also with decent structure, just not really feeling the spade/heart thing.
skin - shit letters, work on simples like the one a few pages back
eskimo - i think you should have wrote looks better if you have no idea of letter structure, letters are whack as usual, but whatever

Im not going to work on letters because more people have told me that I have solid dope letters down. No hate but I just tend to disagree with this crit.

Zase
11-28-2008, 10:38 AM
me too
just drop some other letters stay of repeting i used to do that
and it gets u stuck and bored
try a skin piece with other letters maybe the normal n or what u like

ESKiMO2
11-28-2008, 11:08 AM
eskimo - i think you should have wrote looks better if you have no idea of letter structure, letters are whack as usual, but whatever

I usually don't take criticism from those who can't construct anything similar to a proper sentence but if you make an effort to clearly describe what the fuck you just said I may consider taking your advice.

fonone
11-28-2008, 11:18 AM
well, you said looks better if you stand back from the monitor right? so i said that you should have put "looks better if you are someone who has no idea of what letter structure is" because all the letters are whack as fuck, with little tumor extensions popping up out of nowhere. im yet to see any progression at all from you... also try connecting all of your bars, it might seem somewhat less whack if you do.

edit - wings you do not have to listen, and i dont really care but ask anyone with any idea of structure and they will say your simples are better

ESKiMO2
11-28-2008, 11:22 AM
Okay, I understand now. Somehow I can't take you seriously because it wasn't so long ago that you started talking shit and posted some pathetic attempt at wildstyle. Hahaha then you want to go around belligerently boasting your knowledge on letter structure.

ESKiMO2
11-28-2008, 11:59 AM
http://fc46.deviantart.com/fs39/f/2008/331/f/a/Slaine_by_Rhino_fish.jpg

Candy- Try a thinner marker
Worms- Really innovative style

Reason To-Shine
11-28-2008, 12:36 PM
that little straight on the side is better...

i'd say get rid of that random piece below the 'l' because it has no reason to be there
and connect the 2 parts of the 'n'...

all in all... its not bad...

fonone
11-28-2008, 01:03 PM
wildstyle? i think not. i would not consider anything i have ever done "wild style", and like the guy before me said the straight letter is better

ice age
11-28-2008, 01:12 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/deadxmansxhand/untitled-6.jpg
new 3-d shit
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/deadxmansxhand/untitled2-3.jpg
for a friend pulse
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/deadxmansxhand/pic110808_6.jpg
exchange with volat
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/deadxmansxhand/untitled-8-1.jpg
exchange with haze

tell me what you think
bump more crits

Baron
11-28-2008, 01:12 PM
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n82/antere07/DSC04317.jpg

new un

crits please


http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e96/ScinoandSpank/PICT0139.jpg


dAm this shit is kinda simalar 2 Puregraffiti but different...

CRITS
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm140/adrianizpimp/bbbbbbbbbb.jpg


considering a name change..but idk.
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h26/SoopaxVillain/banecolor.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h26/SoopaxVillain/baneleadsteez.jpg

Give crits to get crits.

ESKiMO2
11-28-2008, 01:35 PM
wildstyle? i think not. i would not consider anything i have ever done "wild style", and like the guy before me said the straight letter is better



http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/2163/irekforbsgd9.jpg

Like I said, a pathetic attempt of wild style.

osnapizzel
11-28-2008, 01:43 PM
ok now kids settle down

Scino & Spank
11-28-2008, 01:48 PM
I'm not asking for crits...

Syke1
11-28-2008, 01:48 PM
Eskimo-the coloring is alright but the letter structure is lacking...i sey get more familiar with your letters...
Ice Age-the 3d is lookin pretty alright but the regular sketch[the Pulse 1]is way fucked up lol..like i have sed b4..get familiar with your letters..adding extentions 2 your shitty asss letters dont make it look better imo..

critz mines..and yea the char is fucked up..i mean crits on the peice

Mass Appeal
11-28-2008, 03:08 PM
Im not going to work on letters because more people have told me that I have solid dope letters down. No hate but I just tend to disagree with this crit.

Laughing my fucking arse off , who the fuck said that ?
Sorry i had to.

Iv not been on here as much ... but im still doing shit here and there.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z248/amkah/lastscan-39.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z248/amkah/w-2.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z248/amkah/ffff.jpg

My ni-gger Trash..

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z248/amkah/scan-3-1.jpg

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z248/amkah/STA41574.jpg


Looks like Oh Snap's running this place now .. good work lahdd ..
Keep up the good work people.

And just kicks ..

EVERYONE ON THIS PAGE NEEDS TO GO SIMPLE

Philly Fresh
11-28-2008, 03:10 PM
yo mass like the samuri sht looks pretty good hers and old asss throwie i edited on the compy don't be to harsh
<a href="http://s274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/DGKALLDAY7270/?action=view&current=GRFL1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/DGKALLDAY7270/GRFL1.jpg" border="0" alt="graffiti"></a>

Philly Fresh
11-28-2008, 03:12 PM
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/DGKALLDAY7270/GRFL1.jpg[/IMG]

emaf816
11-28-2008, 03:12 PM
mass appeal


you are by far one of my favorite writers on this site


all your shit is simple yet not.. and it always looks so dope.

did you teach that trash dude to ink like you? or did you do it for him


idk what it is but i love your shit

and eskimo

dust em haters off.. it's easy to see you're better than him

and worms,you do have some ok letters but who the hell stops working on letters?

that's like asking not to progress

Philly Fresh
11-28-2008, 03:27 PM
here is some old sht from my black book
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/DGKALLDAY7270/scan0004.jpg



http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/DGKALLDAY7270/scan0003.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/DGKALLDAY7270/scan0002.jpg

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj243/DGKALLDAY7270/scan0001.jpg

Mass Appeal
11-28-2008, 03:38 PM
did you teach that trash dude to ink like you? or did you do it for him



Hahahahaha no !

emaf816
11-28-2008, 03:42 PM
well you can tell you guys influence each other..


but it's all sick


teach me :P

Philly Fresh
11-28-2008, 03:44 PM
any tips advice?

Mass Appeal
11-28-2008, 04:03 PM
You cant teach someone to have a steady hand and a good eye for line.
You either have it or your dont or you practice practice practice.
And if im honest .. my lines work hasnt improved one bit since i started writing .. people like South Pole , Trash can tell you that.

Just work on consistant speeds and movements.
Dont go slow , if you go slow thats when you get shakey.

Get paper , Sketch pen freestyles , clear your mind , whack some Drum n Bass on and your lines will get better over time.

Worms
11-28-2008, 04:05 PM
mass appeal

and worms,you do have some ok letters but who the hell stops working on letters?

that's like asking not to progress

Huh?

-Wings-
11-28-2008, 04:45 PM
me too
just drop some other letters stay of repeting i used to do that
and it gets u stuck and bored
try a skin piece with other letters maybe the normal n or what u like

So your saying that my stuff is sort of repetative? And your telling me to change it up a tiny bit :P? Ill try thanks for agreeing with me :)!

jupsick
11-28-2008, 06:06 PM
So your saying that my stuff is sort of repetative? And your telling me to change it up a tiny bit :P? Ill try thanks for agreeing with me :)!

dude how old are u?
anyways change ur "style" at all! go simple -_-

Mass Appeal
11-28-2008, 06:10 PM
Hes deluded .. weve all been there.
When we try and try for months to get a style .. and it just wont come.
So then you think fuck this ill listen to the toys who say my shit is dope .. fuck the people who know what theyre talking about.

Haha.
I even did it hahahaha.

" Selective Listening " as the one and only Alive ( CAER ) put it.

antere07
11-28-2008, 06:35 PM
mass appeal -
they are fresh and ur sig is fit!
philly fresh -
SIMPLE is the way foward i dun even know wat it says looks like loada mash on the paper

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n82/antere07/DSC04318.jpg
crits on thi please

respERATION
11-28-2008, 06:46 PM
mass-love your original style but maybe make the letters less merged into one anoter?
abek-fix up your b.....it's rounded and the rest of your style is edged
philly fresh- do blocks :)
a quick sketch for a homie
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/28-11-08_2333.jpg

Mass Appeal
11-28-2008, 06:51 PM
mass-love your original style but maybe make the letters less merged into one anoter?


Legit crit
Iv had you on my MSN for fucking years .. i bet you dont know who i am.

respERATION
11-28-2008, 06:57 PM
i do.....you used to go on mindgem when you write amkah.....say wassup to me :)

CandyRain88
11-28-2008, 07:38 PM
its really messy but w/e
http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq293/CandyRain_UGC/1128081540.jpg
mass:its all dope im just not really diggin yur handstyle no offence
philly:simples
antere: fix that b
i didnt really have any crits that havent been said before but i gotta give em to get em

CandyRain88
11-28-2008, 10:09 PM
http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq293/CandyRain_UGC/Scan_49.jpg

joker954
11-28-2008, 10:41 PM
yo candy ur 1st shits preety hot
those 4 little pieces are decent, the third one is the best outta the 4

joker954
11-28-2008, 10:43 PM
yo candy ur 1st shits preety hot
those 4 little pieces are decent, the third one is the best outta the 4


tell me watcha think bout mine? plz crit

joker954
11-28-2008, 10:45 PM
i kno the f and the l are spread apart b/c it was 2 differnt pieces of paper

CandyRain88
11-28-2008, 10:50 PM
get a better picture

Philly Fresh
11-28-2008, 11:08 PM
nope is chody chode!

Philly Fresh
11-28-2008, 11:10 PM
ey rain what markers u use ?

joker954
11-28-2008, 11:10 PM
well im on vacation and thats on my fone and my blackbook's home so thats all i got until sunday night lmao

Philly Fresh
11-28-2008, 11:17 PM
yo jok send that pic u posted to ma email

CandyRain88
11-29-2008, 12:50 AM
^someone ban this guy

thebaconator
11-29-2008, 01:00 AM
said- i dont like the N otherwise its pretty clean man
bigblue- what the shit is that?
crits?.....new style these are the first 2 iv done like this
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r13/onedayafter3/DSC03177.jpg
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r13/onedayafter3/DSC03178.jpg

bump for crits, got skipped

Desipher
11-29-2008, 01:02 AM
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/-syke-/DSC00248.jpg

osnapizzel
11-29-2008, 01:19 AM
^^ i liek thathttp://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9189/screencapture21pq8.png

Desipher
11-29-2008, 01:19 AM
thx man u down for an exchange? i write swore or swor

emaf816
11-29-2008, 02:36 AM
i was on mindgem as well.. that was a long time ago though

mtown
11-29-2008, 06:06 AM
ohsnap:dope fill man but i would leave the arrows away
laturr

librelikespie
11-29-2008, 06:23 AM
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t175/mud_aura/S290367.jpg

the silver scanned up as purple lol

ohsnap, jakin to fill right now

smooth_nuts
11-29-2008, 06:38 AM
haven't posted in here/sketch in a while
i see all the old heads died :/
anway...crits
swiv-keep doing what your doing witht he bottom left hand corner swev
monster-it's fresh as shit,and for that reason...I HATE YOU!
but your sig makes me love you :(
sade-find a new name(theres already an old school sade) and start doing simples
snap-it's fresh,but i'd say kill the arrows and all the bits

...i suck ,can't even do a descent simple anymore:(
http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo54/doapuno/Picture1182.jpg

respERATION
11-29-2008, 07:14 AM
mass-love your original style but maybe make the letters less merged into one anoter?
abek-fix up your b.....it's rounded and the rest of your style is edged
philly fresh- do blocks :)
a quick sketch for a homie
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/28-11-08_2333.jpg

bump

libre-i'm mad loving your style....exchange?
snap-i'm digging the fills but maybe try and make it less blocky?

smooth_nuts
11-29-2008, 07:19 AM
don't mean to sound like a douche
but are those even letters?
all i see is a h :/
chill witht he generic faces/teeth and retarded points bends and extentions

smooth_nuts
11-29-2008, 07:22 AM
haven't posted in here/sketch in a while
i see all the old heads died :/
anway...crits
swiv-keep doing what your doing witht he bottom left hand corner swev
monster-it's fresh as shit,and for that reason...I HATE YOU!
but your sig makes me love you :(
sade-find a new name(theres already an old school sade) and start doing simples
snap-it's fresh,but i'd say kill the arrows and all the bits

...i suck ,can't even do a descent simple anymore:(
http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo54/doapuno/Picture1182.jpg
.
.
.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t175/mud_aura/S290367.jpg

the silver scanned up as purple lol

ohsnap, jakin to fill right now


^^ i liek thathttp://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9189/screencapture21pq8.png

bumping these cause i started a new page,and i want soem crits

respERATION
11-29-2008, 07:33 AM
don't mean to sound like a douche
but are those even letters?
all i see is a h :/
chill witht he generic faces/teeth and retarded points bends and extentions

says ouch :(

was an exchange with a homie....

new sketch http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/respppppp.jpg

-Wings-
11-29-2008, 11:18 AM
dude how old are u?
anyways change ur "style" at all! go simple -_-

Im 15 going on 16, I tend to like my style. Its what I picture my letters as.
My simples will just evolve to this anyways like they did before.



And sense this post was just answering a question heres some crits.
Dope - Your other simples were better. Also this one looks a bit messy.
Monster - Your stuffs usually dope, I think we should see a piece that you took time on out of you :)!
Ohsnap - Your fills are orgasmic. The only thing I dislike is that arrow by the P. Other than that, fresssh.

FlippingChickens
11-29-2008, 11:22 AM
New to this site..lets start off with a couple images
pointers..


http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq287/flippinchickens/DSCN1763.jpg
fucked up background

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq287/flippinchickens/DSCN1764.jpg

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq287/flippinchickens/DSCN1765.jpg

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq287/flippinchickens/DSCN1768.jpg

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq287/flippinchickens/DSCN1769.jpg
3 of those books are completely finished

Baron
11-29-2008, 11:30 AM
No structure, no bars, no flow, no consistancy, nothing.

Harsh crits are harsh, take 'em or leave 'em.

smooth_nuts
11-29-2008, 11:34 AM
are you really trying to rep kuk?
stop watching piece by piece and do some simples...

NoCanControl
11-29-2008, 12:10 PM
dopes work on flo. and monster some of your bars don't match up... idk how to say it.. like parrreleleellell-ness. and snaps. pretty legit. noting too much bad to say. i can't see anything wrong with the letters.

:/

http://photos-c.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v645/129/20/1193550161/n1193550161_30334250_7297.jpg

NoCanControl
11-29-2008, 12:13 PM
btw the r is lacking

rsnak

S4d3n
11-29-2008, 01:28 PM
From a battle.
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/3795/s4d3nspetxi9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/s4d3nspetxi9.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img360/s4d3nspetxi9.jpg/1/)

Some shit I did at work, would like crits on this one, mostly with the 'x' and the 'n'. (Got progressively lazy as it went down :P)
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/301/s4d3neastexitng2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/s4d3neastexitng2.jpg/1/w541.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img360/s4d3neastexitng2.jpg/1/)

From an upcoming battle.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/5322/s4d3nsnowsc0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/s4d3nsnowsc0.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img353/s4d3nsnowsc0.jpg/1/)

Desipher - Looks dope, would like to seen that cleaned up, maybe with a coloured 3d as well.
thebaconator - Keep at it, in the second one the 3d is all going in a direction towards the right, looks kinda' wierd.
FlippingChickens - Work on your handstyle, or atleast the one shown to us, your throwie might need a little cleaning up, but it's on the right track for sure, the pieces look a little wack, work on developing that style more, before colouring/putting forth effort for backgrounds (:

Notalent.inc
11-29-2008, 01:46 PM
Flipping chickens, wack as fuck, draw out the letters on your keyboard 5 times each until they are perfect, then come back you will get advice of where to go from there.

On another note, CRITZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ PLEASE, they are always welcome.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g83/oli616/Locke-25.jpg

hAveK x
11-29-2008, 01:53 PM
let me know what u think..
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9084/sykeyd6.jpg

mtown
11-29-2008, 02:04 PM
pretty dope only way to much arrow's
laturr

hAveK x
11-29-2008, 02:05 PM
yeah i just got bored and wanted to do somethin crazy.. hahah wasn't somethin i took alot of time on

Notalent.inc
11-29-2008, 02:07 PM
yeah i agree with mtown, waaaaaaay too many arrows, makes it too hard to see the core letters, which (after i look hard) look nice but are shrouded in TOO MANY ARROWS.

peace

osnapizzel
11-29-2008, 02:16 PM
but but i thought arrows made you cooooooolllll

hAveK x
11-29-2008, 02:31 PM
truthfully theres only like 7 arrows, i think your mistakin alot of the edges as arrows but its cool..

osnapizzel
11-29-2008, 02:33 PM
nah i was talking to smooth nuts critt on my shit

Mass Appeal
11-29-2008, 02:34 PM
Notalent.inc .. wack as fuck, draw out the letters on your keyboard 5 times each until they are perfect, then come back you will get advice of where to go from there.

You fucking suck man.

Deecent simple ZANE.

kroc_oner
11-29-2008, 02:36 PM
why do people suck from miami when they start with so much inspiration there -.-

S4d3n
11-29-2008, 02:48 PM
Why'd you start a new page without bumping anything or posting pics.

Bump from previous



dopes work on flo. and monster some of your bars don't match up... idk how to say it.. like parrreleleellell-ness. and snaps. pretty legit. noting too much bad to say. i can't see anything wrong with the letters.

:/

http://photos-c.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v645/129/20/1193550161/n1193550161_30334250_7297.jpg


From a battle.
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/3795/s4d3nspetxi9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/s4d3nspetxi9.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img360/s4d3nspetxi9.jpg/1/)

Some shit I did at work, would like crits on this one, mostly with the 'x' and the 'n'. (Got progressively lazy as it went down :P)
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/301/s4d3neastexitng2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/s4d3neastexitng2.jpg/1/w541.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img360/s4d3neastexitng2.jpg/1/)

From an upcoming battle.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/5322/s4d3nsnowsc0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/s4d3nsnowsc0.jpg/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img353/s4d3nsnowsc0.jpg/1/)

Desipher - Looks dope, would like to seen that cleaned up, maybe with a coloured 3d as well.
thebaconator - Keep at it, in the second one the 3d is all going in a direction towards the right, looks kinda' wierd.
FlippingChickens - Work on your handstyle, or atleast the one shown to us, your throwie might need a little cleaning up, but it's on the right track for sure, the pieces look a little wack, work on developing that style more, before colouring/putting forth effort for backgrounds (:


Flipping chickens, wack as fuck, draw out the letters on your keyboard 5 times each until they are perfect, then come back you will get advice of where to go from there.

On another note, CRITZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ PLEASE, they are always welcome.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g83/oli616/Locke-25.jpg


let me know what u think..
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9084/sykeyd6.jpg

Mass Appeal
11-29-2008, 03:17 PM
How the hell was he supposed to know it was gonna be a new page ? .
And the point of bumping is to bump something thats good .. none of that you bumped is good .. so you have just defeated not only yourself .. but the whole object of bumping.

respERATION
11-29-2008, 03:55 PM
says ouch :(

was an exchange with a homie....

new sketch http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/respppppp.jpg
bump for crits?

CandyRain88
11-29-2008, 03:57 PM
i think the top of the s doesnt fit the style

WoeInfinite
11-29-2008, 04:19 PM
^ agree, but other than that i think its awesome dude.
i wouldnt mind a little something different with the R too..idk what..but something...
if that makes sense.
but i like it.

Philly Fresh
11-29-2008, 04:39 PM
yo havek x nice peice but alittle too many arrows but nice i dig it what do u write?

FlippingChickens
11-29-2008, 04:53 PM
back for more

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq287/flippinchickens/DSCN1795.jpg

Each
11-29-2008, 04:58 PM
flippin chickens- you should work alot on bar letters and simples, thin move on to addin styles after you astablish solid letters. plus the colouring scheme isnt very.....thought out
havek x- love the stylle and the letters, but like everybody else said, the arrows kinda killed it. it would have looked pretty boss if there wasnt an arrow every other bend in the letters
respERATION- like the shading. the letters look pretty cool too.

Subconcious
11-29-2008, 05:04 PM
Resp I liked the sketch. Nice technique with the single color. agree w/ the other 2^

Just an outline right now, I'll fill it and add shit if I get good crits:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3250/3068494261_9b366a3bd6.jpg

Sketched!
11-29-2008, 05:22 PM
Rose - go simpler, do straight letters at first.
Subconcious - you dont have squares on walls, sketch on blank pages so you can practice straight lines.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3155/3055688651_3ce948bffa.jpg
Did this outline for a friend. ^
Side is what i write.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3160/3061284867_9d493cf34e.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/3056525780_4dc91cafa3.jpg

Each
11-29-2008, 05:26 PM
sketch- like the side one. very fresh

subconsious-same with sketch, there aint squares on walls, but i think its kinda a good way to find a style and then move on to blank pages

hAveK x
11-29-2008, 06:49 PM
i wrote syke one for whoever was askin.. i'll limit the arrows next time..

respERATION
11-29-2008, 07:18 PM
flippingchickens.subconcious,skeched....simple it up....try and make your letters more blocky to start with

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/juniors.jpg

half finish piece for a thing... says "juniors" I needs tweaking...

Darkeist
11-29-2008, 09:21 PM
sketched - i like them all, but the dots on the side one is meh. but the rest is dope.

this is meh.

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k100/skateaholic_2006/Snapshot_20081129_3-1.jpg

Epoc
11-29-2008, 09:32 PM
-seror - clean up your simples, keep working it.
junior barns - R and S are good the other letters need work.
side- letters are good, drop the extensions and it be ballzn

http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01079zr9.jpg

crtis?

hmmm not working....w.e

Darkeist
11-29-2008, 09:59 PM
Yeah, it was kind of rushed and could of been alot better easily. Thanks for the crits.

LeaksOne
11-29-2008, 09:59 PM
Seror - practice more. you may be on to somethin
Sketched - that orange side is nice an the backwards one would probably be even better with color but the shake isnt that good imo. keep it up tho
Resp - thats kinda funky lookin. i wana see the finished product

http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w335/jokster004/Graff035.jpg
crits?? ive sharpened this style up lately so i may post soon with an S with the rest of the family. i couldnt on this cuz i drew it way to big

jester.onest
11-29-2008, 10:06 PM
leak- your bars are off. all of them. umm that isnt really a style either, its just really basic letter structure/

thebaconator
11-29-2008, 11:11 PM
LEAK - yea ur bars are not even
sketched- those are all fresh man i like the first one the best
subconcious- thats pretty cool, but yea u should try it on blank paper after a while like who ever else already said
darkiest- really not much too it, try somethin new every once and a while

new style attpempt
changed from sade to zade
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r13/onedayafter3/DSC03179.jpg

LeaksOne
11-29-2008, 11:12 PM
well i didnt mean an actual style i jus meant this style of letters. simples. an what do you mean my bars are off? what am i suppose to do take a ruler an measure every bar? ive seen plenty pieces with uneven bars. this is my first time doin simples so my bars arent guna be even

thebaconator
11-29-2008, 11:16 PM
LEAK - yea ur bars are not even
sketched- those are all fresh man i like the first one the best
subconcious- thats pretty cool, but yea u should try it on blank paper after a while like who ever else already said
darkiest- really not much too it, try somethin new every once and a while

new style attpempt
changed from sade to zade
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r13/onedayafter3/DSC03179.jpg

bump from bottom

jester.onest
11-29-2008, 11:30 PM
Leaks; I just mean that some of the bars don't line up (like the hole in the A). It's still good for a first attempt.

Zade; the A is kinda illegible and the D looks a bit more like an A than a D. Try and make it more simpe.

librelikespie
11-30-2008, 12:11 AM
believe it or not, I actually spent a long time on this piece of shit

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t175/mud_aura/S290370.jpg

Snew
11-30-2008, 12:41 AM
leak- bars just need a bit of tweaking. keep em flowing strait and try to fix the gap between your L and E. L's are a bitch to make flow from what i know.. but keep workin on them simps.. lookin good.
Zade- the letters are a bit illedgible.. just go a bit simpler and define youre letters a bit more.
Monster- keep workin with what youve got. it is a style.. but define your letters a bit more. its hard to read. but keep it up.. also your letters get lost in the background.

anyways.. ive been black bookin alot more lately. so here it is..
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f90/goonies3845/Photo44.jpg
crit cratz-

Each
11-30-2008, 12:45 AM
damn snew. that shits hella clean

"Bi2aR"
11-30-2008, 12:55 AM
libre your style is seks

librelikespie
11-30-2008, 12:59 AM
snew - flow looks good and structure perfect. I'd start working on giving your letters some movement and working with bar thicknesses (and do a piece with 1222221907608912361 arows for lulz)

Stonk
11-30-2008, 03:13 AM
baconater...simple simple simple
snew looks good but the little bits at the top of the n and w are a little weird..
monster your shit looks good as usual

working on handstyles a little bit more lately
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/Canonfilmer/DSC01594.jpg?t=1228032713
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/Canonfilmer/DSC01598.jpg?t=1228032773
just trying to mess around and make it look all gross or whatever

WoeInfinite
11-30-2008, 11:30 AM
looks dope tride, off to a good start..

whahappen?
11-30-2008, 01:00 PM
baconater...simple simple simple
snew looks good but the little bits at the top of the n and w are a little weird..
monster your shit looks good as usual

working on handstyles a little bit more lately
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/Canonfilmer/DSC01594.jpg?t=1228032713

just trying to mess around and make it look all gross or whatever
i really like a few of those hands, do a whole name throw in that style, i can already think of a way to do your whole name in those types of letters

Each
11-30-2008, 02:02 PM
tride- DOPE AS S**T DUDE. lovin it

Stonk
11-30-2008, 02:41 PM
i really like a few of those hands, do a whole name throw in that style, i can already think of a way to do your whole name in those types of letters

hell yeah thanks guys..umm yeah i've been having some trouble with the "i" and "d" you wouldn't wanna do an exchange or something would you?

Epoc
11-30-2008, 03:14 PM
No one will probably be bothered to click this, since i cant get img tags to work, but, crits if you do?

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/3091/dsc01079rv6.jpg

-Wings-
11-30-2008, 03:25 PM
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e357/LockDown2/CCF30112008_00000-1.jpg

for anyone whos going to say go simple, bombing science seems to be the only place who says that.

bountyhunter113
11-30-2008, 03:30 PM
eh:
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l93/bountyhunter114/Bnty.png

..well, i tried, crits?

respERATION
11-30-2008, 04:09 PM
that rat thing is dooppppeeeee

the letters.....not so much..

bountyhunter113
11-30-2008, 04:56 PM
...yea, i'm much better with my characters......what you think about my handie tho? is it bad?

respERATION
11-30-2008, 05:09 PM
i like the smallest bounty right of the piece.

balance42020
11-30-2008, 05:17 PM
for anyone whos going to say go simple, bombing science seems to be the only place who says that.

i think people just say go simple because thats the "experienced" thing to say even if they dont even know what they are talking about

i like that skin man the only thing is it might be a little cluttered with random shit u know?

also what other sites do u go to for graff? cause this one seemed legit at first but now i dunno...

Epoc
11-30-2008, 05:22 PM
i think people just say go simple because thats the "experienced" thing to say even if they dont even know what they are talking about

i like that skin man the only thing is it might be a little cluttered with random shit u know?

also what other sites do u go to for graff? cause this one seemed legit at first but now i dunno...

a little cluttered and random.........aka simpler.
what dont u know? the fact that half the kids on here are the same half on 12oz etc and the art speaks for itself? think before you speak dink.

NoCanControl
11-30-2008, 06:01 PM
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e357/LockDown2/CCF30112008_00000-1.jpg

for anyone whos going to say go simple, bombing science seems to be the only place who says that.

what other sites do you go to?

FlippingChickens
11-30-2008, 06:10 PM
i feal stupid for taking so much time doing this bullshit
http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq287/flippinchickens/DSCN1797.jpg

Duped
11-30-2008, 06:14 PM
^ does that actually say something?

Each
11-30-2008, 06:17 PM
flippin chicken- are you just stoned out of your mind when you draw stuff? doesnt really make sense

skin- nice shit dude. really feelin it. thats a nice style

hAveK x
11-30-2008, 07:16 PM
yeah skin thats dope man.. should post it back up when its colored.

need some crits on this one..
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/820/sykeaa2.png

synps
11-30-2008, 07:20 PM
Skin- People are saying to go simpler because you're losing some of your basic structure and trying to extend to hard. I think your problem in your structure is your width of your bars look I'll show you what I think you need to fix
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/kennysphotos/skin.png
If you do that and then work on your flow and extensions from there it will look better. I hope that helped

Heres a quick simple. Ignore the unclean lines and crap 3d.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/kennysphotos/1130081858-00-1.jpg

-Wings-
11-30-2008, 07:33 PM
If you realized mate, the whole thing about my style is theres 2 widths. While the thick widths are all the same then I have the small bars which are the same as other small bars in the piece. Its not that I dont know bars and widths, Because I do. Its just my style and the way I see/like my letters.

Also I goto puregraffiti, here, 12oz (alot of people here go there), lounge37, and some side sites which have subforums for graffiti. And this site is the only one who says bad stuff about my stuff, well occasionly. I get comments that my stuffs dope, but the usual fiew here say its suck. Now Im not saying my stuffs the tightest shit ever, but the comment 'go simple' drives me nuts because I dont need to im still progressing the way im going if you havent noticed.

Anyways im done ranting, no beef intended!

synps
11-30-2008, 08:00 PM
Yeah no beef here either. And I know you do two widths I just think that maybe you're skinny width is just a little to skinny like you dont have to make it the same width as the rest but just a little bit fatter and it would look dope.

NoCanControl
11-30-2008, 08:20 PM
If you realized mate, the whole thing about my style is theres 2 widths. While the thick widths are all the same then I have the small bars which are the same as other small bars in the piece. Its not that I dont know bars and widths, Because I do. Its just my style and the way I see/like my letters.

Also I goto puregraffiti, here, 12oz (alot of people here go there), lounge37, and some side sites which have subforums for graffiti. And this site is the only one who says bad stuff about my stuff, well occasionly. I get comments that my stuffs dope, but the usual fiew here say its suck. Now Im not saying my stuffs the tightest shit ever, but the comment 'go simple' drives me nuts because I dont need to im still progressing the way im going if you havent noticed.

Anyways im done ranting, no beef intended!

hahah. you do need to understand the foundation of a letter. thats why you need to learn simples. your s is horrible. it has very generic bends. as the k also.

NoCanControl
11-30-2008, 08:23 PM
oh yea. and the only peps who think your shi is tight is new member.

hAveK x
11-30-2008, 08:39 PM
yo wat u think about mine...

NoCanControl
11-30-2008, 08:42 PM
go symple ahhahaha. you don't know how to control the extentionz bro

FlippingChickens
11-30-2008, 08:59 PM
flippin chicken- are you just stoned out of your mind when you draw stuff? doesnt really make sense


ahhh well it dont matter instead of saying it doesnt make sence u can giv me someshit to work on
BUMP MY SHIT MORE PPL CRIT!!

BOMiT
11-30-2008, 09:00 PM
Two letter i did in school.

I went back to my original tag MONAS

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6406/php9okwxwpmfq8.jpg

Baron
11-30-2008, 09:06 PM
New to graff thread is that way ----> http://www.bombingscience.com/graffitiforum/showthread.php?t=2185

Edit- directed toward chicken

Snew
11-30-2008, 09:18 PM
leak- bars just need a bit of tweaking. keep em flowing strait and try to fix the gap between your L and E. L's are a bitch to make flow from what i know.. but keep workin on them simps.. lookin good.
Zade- the letters are a bit illedgible.. just go a bit simpler and define youre letters a bit more.
Monster- keep workin with what youve got. it is a style.. but define your letters a bit more. its hard to read. but keep it up.. also your letters get lost in the background.

anyways.. ive been black bookin alot more lately. so here it is..
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f90/goonies3845/Photo44.jpg
crit cratz-

bump for more crits..

skin everyone is saying it because if you jump into a style with no understanding of where it comes from you just making a jumble of letters that have nothing in common.. no beef... i would think it was cool.. if i didnt understand the little bit about letter structure that i do. asthetically it is pleasing tho..

FlippingChickens
11-30-2008, 10:07 PM
new to graff thread is that way ----> http://www.bombingscience.com/graffitiforum/showthread.php?t=2185

edit- directed toward chicken

eyy buddy who the fuck do u think ur talking to
ive been up 10 times more than u get the fuck out of here ill kill u

Noddles912300
11-30-2008, 10:45 PM
LOL Chicken makes me giggle like sally. Let me guess your the new Revok or Saber? Maybe the new JA or Cope?Go simple
Snew-Dont like the extention on the N and W. Good bars though.
Bomit-I suck wit throwies but I like the look of it.
Syn-Sweet bars, keep it up.
Havek- Clean lines, but use bars and tone down the extention.
Skin-Bit over board on the add ons, maybe lengthen or thicken your "small bar". Feels unbalanced.

librelikespie
11-30-2008, 10:47 PM
eyy buddy who the fuck do u think ur talking to
ive been up 10 times more than u get the fuck out of here ill kill u

STFU nub, dont talk shit when your steeze is that wack


skin - try some totally different styles nah mean?

silentchaos14
11-30-2008, 11:04 PM
libre you scrotem hugger

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x65/silentchaos14/MOR.jpg
meh just some shit, never even finished.

-sense-
11-30-2008, 11:06 PM
haha i dont thinks skins shit has "generic bends"
most fuckin throw ups are the same generic style
so whos to say whats generic?
silent-im not really diggin the arrow or the M and the fade needs some work, even it out.

just fuckna round

http://i36.tinypic.com/21ovrbk.jpg
doPE
http://i38.tinypic.com/152c6sk.jpg
DOpe

acereborn
11-30-2008, 11:22 PM
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e357/LockDown2/CCF30112008_00000-1.jpg

for anyone whos going to say go simple, bombing science seems to be the only place who says that.

This is one of your better pieces, but don't be afraid to overlap letters. Looks kinda boring with letters like that, but having them spaced out.


i feal stupid for taking so much time doing this bullshit
http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq287/flippinchickens/DSCN1797.jpg

You should. I can only decipher the F and the E (if that's what they are) Stop trying to combine 30 styles, and putting characters and colors in... Take a black pen, and do simple outlines without 3d.


yeah skin thats dope man.. should post it back up when its colored.

need some crits on this one..
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/820/sykeaa2.png

Go back to simples, and make sure your extensions don't get bigger than your actual letters.



Heres a quick simple. Ignore the unclean lines and crap 3d.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/kennysphotos/1130081858-00-1.jpg

You already realized it's a fucked 3d, so I'll ignore it. Pretty solid piece anyways, but you might as well put cracks in all the letters if you're going to do it in one.


Two letter i did in school.

I went back to my original tag MONAS

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6406/php9okwxwpmfq8.jpg

I don't like the top right part of the M, it doesn't look right going upwards to the right. Let's see a full monas? Keep working it.



anyways.. ive been black bookin alot more lately. so here it is..
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f90/goonies3845/Photo44.jpg
crit cratz-

I don't really like this, instead of trying to add extensions and getting more wild, try adding "funk" to your letters. Just bend 'em around, making them rounded, etc etc. You obviously have straight simples down, just play with them.


libre you scrotem hugger

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x65/silentchaos14/MOR.jpg
meh just some shit, never even finished.


What the fuck is the one arrow at the top left doing? lol




http://i36.tinypic.com/21ovrbk.jpg
doPE
http://i38.tinypic.com/152c6sk.jpg
DOpe

Back when I started writing, I was doing the same kinda stuff. You can't read it though, if you didn't tell us it said dope noone could read it. Just go simpler.

Anyways, peace guys. Keep at it

osnapizzel
11-30-2008, 11:48 PM
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5756/screencapture25qj4.png

for a band i know



synps i liek your shit, reminds me some shit i used to do. not callin bites just pointing out proper bar work

thebaconator
12-01-2008, 01:00 AM
mor- take out the ekstentions
snew- thats damn clean, i like it all but the bottom of the W
syn - i hate that N

crits crits
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r13/onedayafter3/DSC03180.jpg

IlikePie
12-01-2008, 03:45 AM
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i217/Supermanexists/1228087356.jpg

Been a while since I've actually posted anything. Just for a buddy, class of 2010. Chuhh... I don't sketch often :(

Zade- Cut off those little blocks at the ends of your letters. Kill the bubbles, and get rid of those lines that are on your Z and D.
OhSnap-Oh Snap!
Sense-What is it?
Silent-lurk moar

And yes, my $ signs are baller as fuck.

jester.onest
12-01-2008, 04:00 AM
thats really nice ilikepie. if you don't sketch often, then you should, because thats sweet.

IlikePie
12-01-2008, 04:08 AM
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i217/Supermanexists/1228122326.jpg
I'd clock the pencil outline at around 1 minute 30 seconds tops on this puppy.

librelikespie
12-01-2008, 08:08 AM
i just love pie, dont you :P
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t175/mud_aura/S290373.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t175/mud_aura/S290374.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t175/mud_aura/S290369.jpg

and yes there is a syringe in these pics

fonone
12-01-2008, 09:00 AM
defs the sixth biggest gangster on the internet

-Wings-
12-01-2008, 09:39 AM
STFU nub, dont talk shit when your steeze is that wack


skin - try some totally different styles nah mean?

No I like my style. I know what styles I like, and my style is basicley a mixture of a bunch of styles ive been inspired by. Im not changing it for a couple people on a site. No offence, anyways yeah not only the new members say my stuffs dope.

Snew
12-01-2008, 11:09 AM
i promise the people who inspire you started with the saaaame system.. and trust me i get inspiration from a few writers but id rather start so i understand the style more than just mimicing what i think is right.

jupsick
12-01-2008, 11:17 AM
No I like my style. I know what styles I like, and my style is basicley a mixture of a bunch of styles ive been inspired by. Im not changing it for a couple people on a site. No offence, anyways yeah not only the new members say my stuffs dope.

i want truf that a writer that writes over 1 year and knows basic shit told u that ur stuff is dope..

Bonus
12-01-2008, 12:38 PM
lol!

La Coka Nostra
12-01-2008, 12:49 PM
pie, the 2010 looks like 2.1.
make the 0's bigger.

and libre, i love your sloppy style. on the top one, the N could use some work, and on the bottom one, the N is kinda fucked up.

respERATION
12-01-2008, 01:23 PM
pie-maybe fatten up the right leg of the R and loose the swirly?...other than that its doap ;)
libre-i love you stuff.....exchange?
the baconator-try and keep all your letters leaning to one angle rather than 3 different and maybe loose the lines inbetween the letters and not make the edges so pointy?oh and maybe draw some guidelines to help you make all your letters the same size
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/counciling.jpg

crits before i do a reall sketch?

osnapizzel
12-01-2008, 01:41 PM
i get no critts mad gay


pie your letters are dope especially the a, i would bite that shit all day lol

respERATION
12-01-2008, 01:59 PM
only thing i have against yours is maybe extend the middle bar of your E's and loose the quotation marks.....what about m,e???:(

osnapizzel
12-01-2008, 02:04 PM
the piece looks like its says rese, and the bottom simp kinda looks like pie ish, no beef just my opinion. and your throw need work

respERATION
12-01-2008, 02:36 PM
your not the first person to say about it looking like it says rese......i'll do another one later...and oh? :(

osnapizzel
12-01-2008, 02:39 PM
meh just something for you to think about.....


you kno....

Subconcious
12-01-2008, 02:42 PM
Resp, I don't like the bottom simp either. As for the bigger one, the new S looks alot better and as for the P, instead of curving the bottom to the right, try curving it back in to the left to make it look more like a P.

respERATION
12-01-2008, 02:46 PM
hahaha don;t worry i don;t think the simp is anything special...

as for the P....i'll give it a go.....but i'm not sure if that'll mess with the flow?

Mass Appeal
12-01-2008, 02:51 PM
If you realized mate, the whole thing about my style is theres 2 widths. While the thick widths are all the same then I have the small bars which are the same as other small bars in the piece. Its not that I dont know bars and widths, Because I do. Its just my style and the way I see/like my letters.

Also I goto puregraffiti, here, 12oz (alot of people here go there), lounge37, and some side sites which have subforums for graffiti. And this site is the only one who says bad stuff about my stuff, well occasionly. I get comments that my stuffs dope, but the usual fiew here say its suck. Now Im not saying my stuffs the tightest shit ever, but the comment 'go simple' drives me nuts because I dont need to im still progressing the way im going if you havent noticed.

Anyways im done ranting, no beef intended!

It isnt your style. Style takes years to develop.

If the person who says its " dope " is " dope " himself , then take notice but if its some whack bitch toy like SilentChaos ... dont get to hyped .. cos the chances are they dont have a fuckign clue what theyre talking about .. because i know ... i used to have tons of people telling me my shit wildstyles with 1837 arrows on each and every letter was dope .. and i was like fuck yahhhhh ... then the people who actually know what theyre talking about gave me a BIG JUICY SEXY REALITY CHECK .. that im not actally dope .. its just that people who are toy think that other toys work is sick.

I dont necessarily like your stuff , but i dont think its good , its like .. half SUCK half OKAY .. so its ... Sukay .. but i do think your kinda ahead of your game abit ... talking abut your style , people think its dope , etc. etc. and thats what gets me about you .......

........this comment here ... thats what progression is ... simple ... simple is progression ... its impossible to progress letters without doing simples ... because thats the stage your at ... your still finding decent letters to start off with to progress onto ... your letters at the moments in my opinion arnt all THAT good ... they need tweaking ... alot ... because your jumping the gun with extensions before even thinking about adding F L O W to your letters ... its like this ... SIMPLE LETTERS , SIMPLE LETTER WITH BENDS , SIMPLE LETTER WITH SMALL ADDONS .. then thats when your begin to reach a consistant flow in your peices ... THEN moving onto extensions is a completly different kettle of sharks ... because theres is tons to take into consideration with extensions ... i for one have never been too big on them .. i rarely ever add them to the letters i do ... but knowing where , when and how to add extensions to a letter without making your peice overcroweded , ugly , unproportionate and above all most , lacking an overall flow is a different ball game to learn.


You better fucking take note on what i just typed here .. its probably the biggest essay iv ever done in my life .

Btw how old are you ?

osnapizzel
12-01-2008, 02:55 PM
fuckin nice

Subconcious
12-01-2008, 02:55 PM
Resp: I don't think so, the R curves back in to the left, so I think it'll be fine if the P does also.

respERATION
12-01-2008, 02:59 PM
pie-maybe fatten up the right leg of the R and loose the swirly?...other than that its doap ;)
libre-i love you stuff.....exchange?
the baconator-try and keep all your letters leaning to one angle rather than 3 different and maybe loose the lines inbetween the letters and not make the edges so pointy?oh and maybe draw some guidelines to help you make all your letters the same size
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/counciling.jpg

crits before i do a reall sketch?

bump to new page :)

mass is getting serious :P

Subconcious
12-01-2008, 03:00 PM
Haha, that was beautiful, Mass.

osnapizzel
12-01-2008, 03:14 PM
.
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bumping these cause i started a new page,and i want soem crits


http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5756/screencapture25qj4.png

for a band i know



synps i liek your shit, reminds me some shit i used to do. not callin bites just pointing out proper bar work

bumpppp

Subconcious
12-01-2008, 03:19 PM
The Ls don't match. Intentional? Even so, I think it would look better if the two Ls matched.

Mass Appeal
12-01-2008, 03:44 PM
Wha yous mean by beutiful ?
He just reminds me of how i was when i was at his stage.
I sure hope hes younger than me though haha.

Subconcious
12-01-2008, 03:47 PM
lol, by beautiful, I mean that was a well put-together crit. Very nice, very nice. If you had written that for a school paper, I'd have given you an A+

Mass Appeal
12-01-2008, 04:56 PM
well .. i did get an A in English Media

b SQUARED 08
12-01-2008, 05:05 PM
Resp: As already said, your P looks like an e. Other than that, I like the style of your letters with that shading and whatnot.
OhSnap: Your letters look great as usual. Is that a musical note on the right side of this one? Colors are dope, too.

This sketch sucks, but I'm still playing around with the structure on these letters. Crits are appreciated.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k98/BBp8ntballaLP508/VideoSnapshot-1-5.jpg

Epoc
12-01-2008, 05:15 PM
saje - keep working it, your progressing. Tips* make bars more consistent for now, and a bit more flow.
mass - my thoughts exactly
ohsssnaaaap - nice...as usual. Only thing I'd really say is a dif colour scheme, at least for a band. The brown is kinda boring. What type of white paint pen did u use for highlights?
resp - not a fan of the fill, it clean though.

my ish.
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/4196/dsc01098ef3.jpg

Mass Appeal
12-01-2008, 05:48 PM
Sick man ^

librelikespie
12-01-2008, 05:52 PM
i just love pie, dont you :P
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t175/mud_aura/S290373.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t175/mud_aura/S290374.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t175/mud_aura/S290369.jpg

and yes there is a syringe in these pics

bamp, mass appeal you are so learned :)

may i bask in your knowledge like roadkill in the sun.

scouler - try get the rest of your letters, besides the O, to flow with our s and c

IlikePie
12-01-2008, 06:06 PM
He just reminds me of how i was when i was at his stage.


Oh how I miss Ras :)

Stussy
12-01-2008, 07:01 PM
http://i34.tinypic.com/2nate0i.jpg

emaf816
12-01-2008, 08:14 PM
http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/5756/screencapture25qj4.png

for a band i know



synps i liek your shit, reminds me some shit i used to do. not callin bites just pointing out proper bar work


extension on the top of the L in LOVE looks ALMOST like a Z, not that much, but almost.


the E in LOVE, the middle bar is shorter than the other E,

the green around the T in THE is also kind of fucked ,it doesn't follow the 3d of the letters .. like the music icon, you see what i'm talking about?


maybe it's just where you put the green in the 3d, but it looks kind of off..

V is pretty round , looks like a U

ZOUE

:P


great bar work though


were you trying to fade the bottom into the top? i can see on some letters where you should've blended more, but still, good work

militia
12-01-2008, 08:15 PM
http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo275/militia-smak/IMG_1587.jpg

http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo275/militia-smak/IMG_1529.jpg



Resp- That S is really looking better and helping the flow, but i agree that the P looks like an e, it does need something there to not kill the flow, not sure what though

Osnap- the paint splatter on the outside looks the same every time, the one big, one medium and one small in like a triangle, dont get me wrong its dope, and most of your shit is sick, but thats just the oppinion of a toy :D

osnapizzel
12-01-2008, 08:20 PM
sorry taht wasnt for you

and yeah thats the kind of splatter i always do

Speedy
12-01-2008, 09:14 PM
Nice letter constancy Smak. Sorry I haven't been around for a while everyone. Here's a new sketch.
http://i35.tinypic.com/2a7j5aw.jpg

NoCanControl
12-01-2008, 09:55 PM
drawing on a pair of chuck taylors for my chick for xmas. thinking about something along these lines. of course the flow is going to be different since it has to fit the flow of the shoe. and etc.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c22/xmm89/IMG.jpg

nene. running before walking? let me kno.

ummm. snaps. youre E middle piece is wierd. should be a little bigger or parrrellel.

jask. great job. really tight. keep doing that.


smak. do simples. no three d yet. more focous on letters.

b SQUARED 08
12-01-2008, 09:56 PM
Smak: Can't say that I'm really feeling the cuts in the letters on that first one, but the second one is in pretty decent shape. Good bar consistency for the most part. The only letter that doesn't look so hot is the M
Speedy: I like it a lot. Nice and clean letters. Keep it up.

Here's a sketch I did directly after that last one I posted. Again, not too great, but I think I'm making progress. Let me know!
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k98/BBp8ntballaLP508/VideoSnapshot-2-2.jpg

emaf816
12-01-2008, 10:54 PM
thats just the oppinion of a toy


if you're gonna write off your own opinion then why would anyone else give it a chance

emaf816
12-01-2008, 10:57 PM
drawing on a pair of chuck taylors for my chick for xmas. thinking about something along these lines. of course the flow is going to be different since it has to fit the flow of the shoe. and etc.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c22/xmm89/IMG.jpg

nene. running before walking? let me kno.

ummm. snaps. youre E middle piece is wierd. should be a little bigger or parrrellel.

jask. great job. really tight. keep doing that.


smak. do simples. no three d yet. more focous on letters.


take your own advice... go simpler.. you need to focus on letter structure before you start trying to go complex

nice concept and all..

militia
12-01-2008, 10:58 PM
just didnt want beef with osnap

emaf816
12-01-2008, 11:08 PM
if you give constructive criticism to someone and they want beef, and especially internet beef, then they're retarded


and osnap's not retarded i don't think

NoCanControl
12-02-2008, 12:39 AM
a little simpler

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c22/xmm89/IMG_0001.jpg

emaf816
12-02-2008, 12:48 AM
keep going thicken the bars out

BIGel
12-02-2008, 03:08 AM
i like the flow and the gothic stylez of it.

http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs39/i/2008/337/7/6/the_crest_by_bigel.jpg

Mass Appeal
12-02-2008, 05:55 AM
Woah nice man ^

NoCanControl
12-02-2008, 11:47 AM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c22/xmm89/IMG-1.jpg

reall quickies. like all of em took about five mins quickies. and k is lacking.

that character is cool. i like the depth of lines. and shadowing. etc.

Stussy
12-02-2008, 12:08 PM
http://i34.tinypic.com/2nate0i.jpg

Bumpskies

Sanc_one
12-02-2008, 02:00 PM
a little simpler

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c22/xmm89/IMG_0001.jpg

I actually fucking love it :D...keep doing it !!

B.S. POLICE
12-02-2008, 02:21 PM
Bumpskies

stop biting its too obvious

respERATION
12-02-2008, 02:42 PM
milita-try and make your letters more blocky :)
speedy-the flow is runined by the bits that jut in the S :(
bigel,no can control-sexy handies

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/englishlit.jpg

JETPACK!!
12-02-2008, 02:55 PM
kans, im feelin the way your styles progressing. fresh.
resp, keep it up. your letters are forming nicely. the flow on that dark R isnt right, bring the top more to the left. it's similar to an A as well

im posting here for critism, telling me im not a toy isnt helping me improve my letters.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7118/rasek63it7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

revid!
12-02-2008, 02:56 PM
been tryin some 3d ish...
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/631/sspx0312xr8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/sspx0312xr8.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img133/sspx0312xr8.jpg/1/)
and this.. background was inspired, adopted from someone else
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6612/sspx0314xv4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/sspx0314xv4.jpg/1/w640.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img148/sspx0314xv4.jpg/1/)

respERATION
12-02-2008, 02:58 PM
thanks for the crit ;)

only thing i can pick out in yours is that you need to make the E as sharp and angled as the rest of your letters...and maybe put those drippy things the whole way through