Blackbooks

[dankbudz]

no one gives a shit about your lightning blue outline. last N wouldnt be THAT bad if it didnt have those random notches, but it still is smaller then the O. haha and i thought the second letter was a C. practice your simples, learn some letter structure.

Shroomsh- those names looking siick, i like that crazy hectic background you got going on.

FRY, dude, look at his letters, and notice how his are good and simple, but have style to it, because he tweaked them slightly and in the right places. he didnt add a shit ton of notches or extension connection wanna be wildstyle shit. practice your simples and itll pay off.

["FrY"]

cool, thanks for the tips guys (: ill start on something simpler in just a sec.

[dankbudz]

dont post it up right away. keep it. look at it. study it. ask yourself how you can improve it. Think, bar width, baseline, negativespace, consistency in letters basically. and post up once youve done ten hundred of them... haha nah, but do more then one. try to improve on your own a bit. you cant fuck up too hard if you just write it like NEON.

Edit:
god i am up way too late on this shit.

[DaFugg]

Haha you sound a bit cranky too haha.

["FrY"]

Alrighty then. Ill make a couple simple ones. The more I make, Ill try to improve on them. Thanks dank (holy shit i just rhymed).

[EWL24]

Shroomsh - thats sick i like the 2 Ts on trents name

dank- late? where do u live? for me its only 10 :D

[Rasm]

@Shroomish, nice work man. What pens did you use on that? The S on the Hoeski one is slightly squished but besides that it's pretty dope. I'm sure your friends will be impressed.

@Fry, man you need to lose the extra bits and notches. It says NEON? You need to make the middle bar of the E much more defined because it looks like a C. Actually, it is a C.

It's past 1am here but I couldn't sleep at this hour if I tried.

Here's some random bullshit for talking.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j89/fearophobia/imag088111.jpg

[Shroomsh]

thanks everyone
Rasm- i just used a blue felt tip or fineliner whatever you wanna call them, would of used black but i did it in internal suspension and i couldnt resource one aha.
i like the kash piece, but the a needs work, the k doesnt really look the part. without the k would look like a dope "ash" piece aha

[ribcage]

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/matthew1o/1111101453.jpg

this is just abstract broskis, yall cant read it because its not letters, just me fuxin around witta pencil... might do something piece related with it but I aint got the bars to paint somethin like this yet so it just playin for now

[DaFugg]

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Think I did pretty good on this personally, Things I noticed and am going to fix though: I foorgot the blue around the top left star thing (I know what it's called, not how it's spelled) . I bit the O from that Xerox peice which BTW I thought was dope. But I fucked it up filling over the "Exchange" I wrote in it. Pardon the angle of the shot.

Just a side note, those recognition pens from micheals are fucking amazing.

[FlatScank]

picked up a new sketch book, and one of those Copic markers.26572

[DaFugg]

I cant crit that, I really like it, I'm sure it's not flawless, but I have no complaints Flat, keep it up

[Rasm]

this is just abstract broskis, yall cant read it because its not letters, just me fuxin around witta pencil... might do something piece related with it but I aint got the bars to paint somethin like this yet so it just playin for now Actually it says KAP, just to let you know. :D

@DaFugg, You gotta push those letters closer together and stop biting haha. Looks like Seder influenced your E a little bit. Just keep pounding out simples.

@Flat, This is basically the same thing I always see from you. I wish you would lose the random extensions like the one on the bottom of the T, and never draw the heart-shaped bottom of the A again, but oh well. I'd widen the horizontal bar on the F a little bit and definitely work on those handies. It's not too bad overall though.



http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j89/fearophobia/imag0885.jpg

[.Cuore]

picked up a new sketch book, and one of those Copic markers.26572

Haha FLAT I love your pieces but the handy on the bottom..

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/41787_214277156210_9019_n.jpg

[Shroomsh]

ahah i always use the heart shapein my pieces, i used to despise it, but now its more like my message to all the tryhard toys that try to be brutal thinking the graffiti is violence related tell ing them that they will never be as good as me until they stop trying to be something they arent, or something like that

[Rasm]

Oh I mean if you have some sort of message you're spreading with it that's one thing, but for the most part it's just people biting the I from the Flava font on graffiticreator.net

Here's an unfinished freestyle sketch for talking.
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6690/imag088711.jpg

[aces]

yeah, i agree with rasm, if youre actually interested in becoming an artist, graffiticreators the worst place to go

I wish those fonts were displayed on the streets instead of the net where toys bite them and run wild.

hhahah too true

I wish those fonts would disappear lol

[aces]

for the kids that get me through hard times ♥
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For some reason the K's, R's, and S's are bothering me but I can't quite put my thumb on it...They just don't seem to fit well I guess but other than that it's nice and well put together.


^^^Oooo thats sexy. I like it. Keep it up mate.

Since my camera was made in mexico, you can't see that there's an outline. I had trouble making the n's similar, but after a few attempts I got them to be somewhat close. You like?
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Like everyone said lose the little notches, make the E more like an E and try to keep both the height of your letters the same throughout the piece as well as the width of your bars (at least for now...)


@Shroomish, nice work man. What pens did you use on that? The S on the Hoeski one is slightly squished but besides that it's pretty dope. I'm sure your friends will be impressed.

@Fry, man you need to lose the extra bits and notches. It says NEON? You need to make the middle bar of the E much more defined because it looks like a C. Actually, it is a C.

It's past 1am here but I couldn't sleep at this hour if I tried.

Here's some random bullshit for talking.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j89/fearophobia/imag088111.jpg
Not too bad there...Nice and simple (although I'm not really a fan of the box around the S you got going on there but other than that it's got potential :)



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this is just abstract broskis, yall cant read it because its not letters, just me fuxin around witta pencil... might do something piece related with it but I aint got the bars to paint somethin like this yet so it just playin for now

I could see this reading WLY haha but really you got potential with the whole 3D thing. I've tried for so long and I can do some "eh" 3D stuff but this is definitely way better...work some purposeful letters into a new 3D sketch and see how it goes!


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Think I did pretty good on this personally, Things I noticed and am going to fix though: I foorgot the blue around the top left star thing (I know what it's called, not how it's spelled) . I bit the O from that Xerox peice which BTW I thought was dope. But I fucked it up filling over the "Exchange" I wrote in it. Pardon the angle of the shot.

Just a side note, those recognition pens from micheals are fucking amazing.
To add to your list, the E looks really weird with with the top and bottom bars almost touching so try angling them differently. Also get your letters closer together and lose the scribbles over the red. Lastly work on keeping your 3D going in a uniform direction or to a vanishing point if you know how to do that (See the 3D on top of the vertical bar of the E compared to the 3D on top of your O? Notice the difference between a slant like "/" and one like "_". Glad to see you're at least keeping it simple though :)


picked up a new sketch book, and one of those Copic markers.26572
The bottom arrow on the F makes it look a bit like an S so consider dropping/adjusting that and the bottom arrow on the T makes it look either like a really shitty "h" or an alright "R" so work that out too. I'm not too sure about the extension off the right of the A either but don't really know what to do with it haha...


Actually it says KAP, just to let you know. :D

@DaFugg, You gotta push those letters closer together and stop biting haha. Looks like Seder influenced your E a little bit. Just keep pounding out simples.

@Flat, This is basically the same thing I always see from you. I wish you would lose the random extensions like the one on the bottom of the T, and never draw the heart-shaped bottom of the A again, but oh well. I'd widen the horizontal bar on the F a little bit and definitely work on those handies. It's not too bad overall though.



http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j89/fearophobia/imag0885.jpg
The top of the left part of the M looks really strange the way it connects, the U looks good though but then on the RPH they each have one part that doesn't flow with the piece. The R has the arrow like thing on the bottom, the P has the bar that angles in towards the vertical bar and the connector to the bottom of the R, and the H has that connector to itself on the left side...Other than that it's nice and simple and flows pretty well at least :)


Oh I mean if you have some sort of message you're spreading with it that's one thing, but for the most part it's just people biting the I from the Flava font on graffiticreator.net

Here's an unfinished freestyle sketch for talking.
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6690/imag088711.jpg

Looking pretty good but I don't really see a need for the horizontal bar on the middle left of the M there and the one under the C doesn't really fit with the style...The A on the end looks like it's trying to run away from the rest of the piece so push that closer in. All in all it's not bad but at a second glance the S, I, and C don't really flow with that style so just something to work on...

[ribcage]

^fasho breh I got an exchange in the works in my brothers book, its 1/4 done i'll have pic as soon as dank gets them shits I sent him

@rasm yo freestyles arent done in pencil first....

Lol ah font creators, I peeped game at a few way back iin the day, some of em are actually pretty cool if I remember correctly the ones that got some dope ass color scheme shits but etrocious letters

[Messer]

rasm-i'm digging the A,M and C, but the R is bugging me, idk, maybe try fattening up the loop and the leg connection, and erase the line separating the left leg. just my two cents.

decided to get all colourful and shit last night, i like how it turned out, excuse the shitty camera quality.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/DSCF0031.jpg

[Flawless Victory]

You should not do characters.
Or buckets.
You should also try adding some highlights to your pieces.

[Messer]

there are highlights its just my shitty camera doesnt show them. also, the bucket is bullshit i agree, i need to work on drawing shit 3D.alot. crits on the piece though? also, rather than telling me not to draw tell me what im doing wrong for next time, like constructive and shit ;)

[Rasm]

Aces, finally someone giving solid crits. Thanks man! I know that Murph piece has it's flaws. I definitely need to redo the bottom of the R and the P and the H would probably look better with that little connection filled in. As for the Rasmica one, I was planning on dropping the bar under the C anyways, and I think the angle of the A is what makes it look like it's running away so much.

@Messer, The character needs work and the bucket needs to be rounded off a bit in some places. I can't say much about that piece because I'm not sure what it says. Tell me what I'm reading and I'll try to throw you some pointers though.

[aces]

Thanks Rasm :) Oh and what Ribcage said is true...freestyles don't have erased pencil marks under them ;)

Messer - I'm not too sure what you're writing there but it looks something like HERTIES to me...I feel like you're hiding crappy letter structure by covering the piece in extensions...

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My Karcus piece for the battle...hasn't gotten a single vote but then again I finished the outline about 10 minutes before it was due and still had to throw the 3D on as well as the red accents in there. I'll color and finish it up later on tonight or maybe tomorrow and scan it so it's a clearer picture but anyone have any crits for me as it sits right now?

[Phat 2]

I can't see a single letter's shape in there

that should be enough crit for you


http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j89/fearophobia/imag088111.jpg

I had done something similar to this a while ago :

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/253651_224576370895686_202093693143954_947835_1860 843_n.jpg

just out of curiosity, did you take the idea for your S being boxed in the H from that flick?
I don't mean to be calling you out or anything, it's cool either you did or you didn't... I'm only curious, so don't get me wrong

[aces]

I can't see a single letter's shape in there

that should be enough crit for you

I guess you didn't learn how to read any graff that isn't strictly a keyboard letter then have you
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7325/karcuswithletterlinesin.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/405/karcuswithletterlinesin.jpg/)
That should help. I won't say that my piece is perfect and I can see how the R can get lost and maybe the U as well. I know I went overboard with the addons but fuck it you have to progress sometime...I've been doing simples for too long to never have thrown an addon in there (notice I joined in '06?). Try giving some real crits and being constructive and not giving me just one little snood remark or if you can't do that then just leave it alone and don't give me crits...

[Rasm]

Well I guess it wasn't a true freestyle then, oh well, I said that because I didn't put much thought into the letters and basically just went with the flow.

@Aces, that's pretty dope man. I feel like it would look way better if the letters were all along the same line instead of having the K on top of the A and stuff like that. People probably think it's a little too crazy the way it takes up the whole page. As far as the actual letters go, I like them. I would dig the R a little more if the right leg connected where the loop meets the left leg, but it's still solid. By the way, I had no problem finding the letters, although at first I thought it said Arcus because I didn't see the K.

And I'm with you about the add-ons. I almost always do simples... check out what I've posted in this thread. My sketches almost never have extensions and when I do feel like adding them I don't think them through enough for them to flow. I joined in '07 but never posted, but I started writing in '05. Problem was for years I only sketched off-and-on so I didn't progress very fast.

@Phat2, wow I've never even seen that pic before man. Did you post it in the painted pieces thread? It's pretty fucking crazy how yours is black and white and mine's a pencil sketch... and you have the the H forming the right side of the box and so do I. But yeah, no offense taken, I see why you were curious hahah

[aces]

Thanks Rasm yea the K on top of the A was supposed to end up looking like an S the way the letters flowed like this:
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/6645/karcuswithslineinblue.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/836/karcuswithslineinblue.jpg/)

Yea over the past year I haven't been sketching as much but up until then I had been sketching constantly (all throughout high school I'd usually bang out an piece every other class (2 hours). It took longer than usual cause I still paid attention in all AP classes and got B+/A-'s in all of em haha...it's just cause I didn't take notes I would just listen to the teachers and then kinda mindlessly do the pieces...

[Rasm]

Man I used to sketch in my AP classes too. Usually I'd choose a word that had to do with the topic we were learning about. High school was the shit; I miss being able to have a 4.0 with barely any effort.

Anyways, here's some more simple shit. Not my best and needs touch-ups, but today's been a long one.

http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/7051/imag0893.jpg

[Messer]

thanks for the crits guys it says HERPIES (like herpes). and yeah i know i need to work on my karaks alottttt, im not good at all that shit. oh and ignore the first E, i fucking hate it.

[Shroomsh]

aces? wtf is that, even when you put the letters in blue there i cant read it?? and i have a pretty abstract style myself.. my suggestion is the same as everyone else, untill you can rock a clean simple, do not try wild stuff

[Messer]

id agree, aqnd maybe put all your letters in line rather than all over the place.

[arsebanditskaelsucker]

Rasm- defo liking what i've seen so far
messer- i do actually like the concept of the crazy ass chick with her feet hacked off but i think it will look better with practice, but yeah draw whatever the hell your mind feels like drawing and just keep doing it
some of my bags of shite.....this is why i do characters better than letters....maybe i'm the kid that draws the charaters next to people pieces rather than does the letters lol
http://img38.picoodle.com/i574/potts/16fp_594_u905z.jpg (http://i.picoodle.com/639ieip6)
http://img38.picoodle.com/i574/potts/16fp_2d4_u905z.jpg (http://i.picoodle.com/b25ieipl)
http://img38.picoodle.com/i574/potts/16fp_84f_u905z.jpg (http://i.picoodle.com/2d3ieipr)

[One Evil]

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j89/fearophobia/imag0885.jpg
MURPH KEEP DOIN YO THING ITS LOOKIN GOOD... the RPH aint bad at all

phat im fuckin lovin this shit!!!!!!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/253651_224576370895686_202093693143954_947835_1860 843_n.jpg

[aces]

A compliment from the battle thread from someone's opinion I value more than yours:

SVEZAJEZA: Aces I think u needed a better photo of your sketch. its a good littles syle you got going there. THere is 3 different styles all going through this battle.

ME: Thanks Sveza! Unfortunately I didn't get to color it and my scanner was on the fritz...too bad I couldn't enter it like it is now (even though my red marker started dying on me haha):


Also I agree it isn't the best sketch I've done seeing as it's the first piece I've done in about a year...Oh and what makes you think I can't rock a simple? You haven't even seen one of them...

[ierkpeople]

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee433/ierkpeople/Warwick-20110704-00070.jpg

[DaFugg]

@DaFugg, You gotta push those letters closer together and stop biting haha. Looks like Seder influenced your E a little bit. Just keep pounding out simples.


I don't think it's fair to think he influenced it. They're just simples, I got plenty of absolute garbage from befre I went to this site, and the E is the same ( plus or minus shitty extensions. I think that's the first time i bit anything and it was just because how well it went I think. I'll definately be working on condensing my pieces =)

[DaFugg]

Aces, work on coloring in the lines man! I'm sure you spent time putting that thing together so when you color why isn't it as important? Your 3D is scibbled in.
Other than that, besides being a bit abstract not bad.
Erk, I always like seeing your drawings but that bottom bit is not so great imo.

[ierkpeople]

http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee433/ierkpeople/Warwick-20110704-00071.jpg my boy someone

[TastyMcNasty]

^^cool concept, would love to see that executed a bit better tho.

havent posted anything for a minute. heres a quick pen freestyle for the battle. sorry for the shit quality cant find my camera :mad:
crits always appreciated

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[DaFugg]

Kinda looks like BABDeB

[TastyMcNasty]

^ i dont see that, but youre right the O does look like a D

[DaFugg]

Well, I think the 3D makes the S look like a B because the empty space actually looks like the lower half of the bar of a B. The last letter looks like a large lower case E and then the extention on it looks like a little upper case B

[ribcage]

Aces, work on coloring in the lines man! I'm sure you spent time putting that thing together so when you color why isn't it as important? Your 3D is scibbled in.
Other than that, besides being a bit abstract not bad.

.....contrary to what you may believe, It sounds like you dont know wtf your talking about.....

@erk yikes, your boy gots no bars. You should redo that for him

[DaFugg]

Maybe maybe not, got any reason for it?
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Thats what I see

[TastyMcNasty]

well i see BASDE :3

[ribcage]

did you read the quoted words homie? or did you just read what I said and think it was directed towards something else?

I get the whole "help people out attitude", and its all good when its small things like what you posted about soars shit, but uh maybe slow it down and take crits you've got and worry about your own work until your good enough to actually help... and I hope you appreciate how incredibly nice im trying to be ;). Its hella annoying seeing people crit someones shit and tell them its good and nothing else when both parties shit straight sucks... it builds up egos and bah blah blah all that bullshit

[DaFugg]

Nah I know what I can and cant due. And to be honest crits on here are pretty much opinions. I stopped posting my sketches for now because I know where I am, and am not fucking up. Until I feel my shits perfect, in my eyes, I guess i don't need outside help. I'll post here and there to see if I'm on the right track, but till then I was just trying to crit, so I'm helping. and his peice was whack but he liked what he did. I don't like the fact that he put random letters all over the page. I didn;t like his structure or the way his bars didn't attatch in random areas but I was at an understanding that he did so I didn't mention it. So all I had left to say was that it looked like a 4 year old collored in his peice.

If you got a problem with a crit I give feel free to correct me or give him better advice because no doubt you're probably farther along than me with your shit. But it doesn't get shit done to try and scrutinize me, ya feel?

Also tasty I see what you see, I'm not trying to be picky cause i see that i's an S, it can pass for a B, the last entention on that E though, looks like a little B.

[ribcage]

I know some things you can and cant do and spelling is not one of them. You truly think telling him to spend even more time on his coloring is gonna help?! Critting on here for those who listen only helps when the crits have value.

It aint like im here to give you shit dude, and I definetly aint here to try and correct you or some shit but it also dont "get shit done" to say "you scribbled in your 3d" and just post crits which in your case are just your opinions, but I do come here to converse and peep game at pics and help those who listen, and when I do I would like it if I dont have to go through a bunch of bullshit posts to find one where the person knows what theyre talking about

[aces]

So ribcage would you mind giving me some solid crits? All I got so far is "I don't see a single letter, that should be enough crits for you." "Don't add extensions until you can rock a simple with style" (which was useless cause he's only seen that one piece that I did so he has no way to judge if I can rock a simple with style) and don't scribble in your coloring which I only feel I did in the crimson red parts on the extensions due to running out of my red marker and the poppy red in the 3D which was for the same reason, a dying marker...

I take any constructive crits but it seems like this section of the site has gone to shit and there's very few members giving solid advice because all I see over and over again is "do keyboard letters..." which for a lot of people that applies but for some people they are past that and for people who just put out way too complicated shitty work with no bar consistancy, 3D all over the place, and absolutely no concept of letter structure, constantly trying to tell someone better than them that they need to go back to (in my case) doing pieces like "SEAZ" it's annoying as fuck and I just want solid crits to improve my work from...

[TastyMcNasty]

okay rib, because i know you know, what youre talking about would you mind throwing me some crits?

[DaFugg]

Due, oh man that's emberassing.
Anyways, I see what you're saying but I meant well so chill.

[aces]

Nah I know what I can and cant due. And to be honest crits on here are pretty much opinions. I stopped posting my sketches for now because I know where I am, and am not fucking up. Until I feel my shits perfect, in my eyes, I guess i don't need outside help. I'll post here and there to see if I'm on the right track, but till then I was just trying to crit, so I'm helping. and his peice was whack but he liked what he did. I don't like the fact that he put random letters all over the page. I didn;t like his structure or the way his bars didn't attatch in random areas but I was at an understanding that he did so I didn't mention it. So all I had left to say was that it looked like a 4 year old collored in his peice.

If you got a problem with a crit I give feel free to correct me or give him better advice because no doubt you're probably farther along than me with your shit. But it doesn't get shit done to try and scrutinize me, ya feel?

Also tasty I see what you see, I'm not trying to be picky cause i see that i's an S, it can pass for a B, the last entention on that E though, looks like a little B.

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9535/dafugg.jpg (http://img52.imageshack.us/i/dafugg.jpg/)

This puts the icing on the cake as far as why I found that crit offensive...I mean look at the star and the asterisk especially much less the scribbles inside each letter. THAT is how a 4 year old would color in a piece. The only place that I see where you could find that my 3D looked "scribbled in" is the red that outlines the 3D which was only due to how low on ink the red pen was...other than that I think I know how to color in the lines so thank you for trying but your crit was basically useless...Oh and just because I've passed the point of keeping every bar the same width and keeping my letters in keyboard font doesn't mean that my letter structure is shit just FYI.

[ribcage]

@tasty what ive told you before applies to these letters as well, you need to make smooth transitions. I.e. make your bars connect a little smoother. Its hard to see on that one cause theres a lot of sketching lines still on it, but areas that connect like the extension from top E to D need to be either triaght or curved, pick one, dont make it straight and then at the last inch or so curve it in, also extensions like that dont make sense... That extension comes out of nowhere from that letter, work on the extensons from parts of the letters that have ends and then later down the road you can find places of movement in other parts of letters and add extensions there...if that makes sense.

@aces my comp is really slow and I already started this reply so I cant go back a page so bump/re-post your pic and ill crit a little later

@dafugg I meant well lol you shoulda chilled, but anyways that spelling thing made me lmao so I couldnt resist... spelling in a post clearly doesnt mean shit in any way...

[TastyMcNasty]

^^thanks, im mainly just experimenting with connections and extensions, but i'll take that into consideration.

finished, still cant find my camera
reads BASOE, screwed up the O and made it look like a D

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[nah!]

:P
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff497/NAHgraff/100_2327.jpg

[nah!]

bottom page bump
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff497/NAHgraff/100_2327.jpg

[TastyMcNasty]

^^thanks, im mainly just experimenting with connections and extensions, but i'll take that into consideration.

finished, still cant find my camera
reads BASOE, screwed up the O and made it look like a D

26808


bottom page bamp :3

[aces]

@tasty what ive told you before applies to these letters as well, you need to make smooth transitions. I.e. make your bars connect a little smoother. Its hard to see on that one cause theres a lot of sketching lines still on it, but areas that connect like the extension from top E to D need to be either triaght or curved, pick one, dont make it straight and then at the last inch or so curve it in, also extensions like that dont make sense... That extension comes out of nowhere from that letter, work on the extensons from parts of the letters that have ends and then later down the road you can find places of movement in other parts of letters and add extensions there...if that makes sense.

@aces my comp is really slow and I already started this reply so I cant go back a page so bump/re-post your pic and ill crit a little later

@dafugg I meant well lol you shoulda chilled, but anyways that spelling thing made me lmao so I couldnt resist... spelling in a post clearly doesnt mean shit in any way...

Here ya go thanks rib :D Oh and if you ever wanna do an exchange I'd be more than happy to :D
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[Ace.K]

@Nah: You changed to Menuer? That sounds like manure but I guess it works with that shitty throw.

[Strange Journeys]

yeah totally rework it menu

[aces]

bottom page bamp :3

I'd make the bottom bar on the B a bit bigger so it doesn't get confused for an R, The left bar of the A disappears and the same thing happened with the E so work on that, like you said, the O looks like a D, I don't really like that little B like extension, the little bits that come off in only like 3 places seem very out of place for the piece, the 3D could use some work in just a few places and lastky (although it is a very small detail) the blue bubbles don't seem to fit either but if you wanna keep it then I would suggest still outlining the whole piece rather than just where the bubbles are (ie. the top of the B, A and E. On the good side I'm glad to see you using bars even if they aren't the best I can tell you used them.

[ribcage]

@aces aight here we gooo...First things first, your going to want to thicken up your outline lines, making them thicker after you lay em all down can help you fix bar widths and staightness of the lines and all that jazz, makes it look like you used a ruler when you didnt ya dig? now Starting with zee K, the left vertical bar doesnt match up with itself and the right leg is kinda weird lol. The A isnt that bad, if you thickened the outline lines up itd be an aight A. The R is deformed, almost looks like an A, the right leg is fused with the top, making it look weird, so you need to cut something out inbetween to exentuaute the top from the bottom. The blue things coming out of all the letters are wack except for the ones coming from the middle of the C and the middle of S. On the C tho the blue thing is right in the center making it look like an E ya digg? I think what you were trying to do was make it look like a C with the orange and a C with the blue and it worked, but when you look at em togethor it lloks like an E because that middle blue bar changes it from a C to an E (C+- makes E). The S gets pretty thick at the bottom...idk really what else to say for that...

But uh yeah, breaking away from keyboard letters doesnt mean adding extensions! Cut out all that blue stuff and the minor extensions in yellow and your letters still break away from that simple keyboard letters. You can have good styled letters with absolutely no extensions at all. The yellow extensions are pretty subtle tho, so if your dying to do them go more for things like how you put a little kick on the bottom right leg of A and start with minor things like that, and then the larger more extravegant ones will come to you later but when they do you'll know where and where not to put them

@tasty aces is right, do a second outline/fourcefield or whatever yall call it on here to all your letters with a color that will contrast with your background color, itll mke it look better

[aces]

Thanks rib! I'll be probably sketching up some much more simple stuff as you said just by getting rid of the addons...I knew I went overboard but it was cause I liked the extensions (in blue) at the top left of the K and bottom right of the A so much I just kept adding them and it wasn't till I inked it that I realized just how overboard I went haha. Oh and as for the R I'm not trying to make an excuse but for me R is my devil letter...I have NEVER come out with a good looking R haha or a good U for that matter. I really think I need to do a full alphabet and keep working on every letter just so I have a good idea about how to construct all the letters not just the ones I like. Thank you for the crits again and trust me I will take them to heart and utilize them.

[TastyMcNasty]

@Nah: You changed to Menuer? That sounds like manure but I guess it works with that shitty throw.

hahahahahah ohhhh snaaap!!!

oh and thanks for the crits everybody :3

[H1P30N3R]

bottom page bump
http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff497/NAHgraff/100_2327.jpg
props on getting micheal j fox or muhammad ali to do your outline

[DaFugg]

All I have to say for yesterday was, it was the fourth of july and I live in the biggest party town in california. Hence the spelling and confrontation. Sorry Rib, but also Aces, I'm not gonna throw solid fills for an exchange, I learned. besides a black book is a place for experimenting, so forgive me if it looks like shit.

[Rezume_or_die]

26856 stickers on painted cans got more in the works

[Ace.K]

props on getting micheal j fox or muhammad ali to do your outline

I just shed a tear from laughing. Oh man.

[ribcage]

@dafugg where in cali do you live? If you dont live in the bay ima seriously doubt that you live in the "biggest party town" in cali

[Amends_Ego]

Thanks rib! I'll be probably sketching up some much more simple stuff as you said just by getting rid of the addons...I knew I went overboard but it was cause I liked the extensions (in blue) at the top left of the K and bottom right of the A so much I just kept adding them and it wasn't till I inked it that I realized just how overboard I went haha. Oh and as for the R I'm not trying to make an excuse but for me R is my devil letter...I have NEVER come out with a good looking R haha or a good U for that matter. I really think I need to do a full alphabet and keep working on every letter just so I have a good idea about how to construct all the letters not just the ones I like. Thank you for the crits again and trust me I will take them to heart and utilize them.

^this. In my original BB I have about 30 pages of the full alphabet built from bars, In my studio I have a fat poster with the whole alphabet in keyboard letters just for reference. Just remember that its never too late to bring that advanced steez, but usually to early to bring it. besides that rib got it covered.

[nah!]

@Nah: You changed to Menuer? That sounds like manure but I guess it works with that shitty throw.

no not menuer!!! menu like n u e m but the m goes first and the u goes last and the other letters go in the middle


and i dont write me|\|u anyway i stole the pic!! ;)

[pointman]

Sketched this up on the spot for a friend.. been so bored lately need to stop blazing soo much yoo
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[Messer]

rezume- do you do trades, im liking that can....

[.Cuore]

@dafugg where in cali do you live? If you dont live in the bay ima seriously doubt that you live in the "biggest party town" in cali

seconded. I'm pretty sure Santa Cruz is the biggest party town. Or Chico, just cuz of Cal State Chico.

[Strange Journeys]

nah why do you act so wack

[.Cuore]

woah. don't talk shit about nah. he's special.

[Messer]

i like the gay ass arrows, may connect them to the E and O though ?

[Shroomsh]

new name? reads Xist
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[Tempo718]

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[Strange Journeys]

Dam,n Xist is a tight name, but dont make the right side of the T touch the bottom, it looks like an n

[Mc Satan]

first time i ever try something, give my your worst. i'm messing around trying to find a way to write this would like to keep the arrow like S if possible any suggestions appreciated. once i get a concept ill start practicing to make it better adn add detail etc
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[extinct]

Ohhhhh damn... Xist that's second one is fresh dude... I wanna see more

[dankbudz]

Exist- the 2nd S is tight, but i just noticed the top extension is the I. The X on top is pretty boring, try making that right bar that looks like \ extend farther up and also down. And that T looks like a X, dont have that bar swoop down to the bottom, have it go up or something.
Tempo- didnt you post that before? like may 5th possibly..
McSatan- start with making your letters the same size. keep practicing and read those threads that are supposed to help people.

havent sketched in a bit, this is for that battle in the other section if there even is one in that other part of the forum.. shits so confusing.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/matthew1o/0707111113.jpg

[ribcage]

^extension on R should be a little bit bigger, dot on i should be lower and that right side of your S got dented or some shit

unfinished exchange with my bro kosher gotta cop another light blue and light green before I can finish it
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/matthew1o/1111101452.jpg

[Mc Satan]

thanks dank but at least the "C" id like to keep smaller, so it isnt pronounced as "emcee" but Mc like Mc donald. just trying to find a way to write it that looks good. that was one i was working with. also thinking the horizontal stripe in the "T" could be the vertical stripe for both "A" . I'm also partial towards that S always liked that when i sign my name in regular drawings ive always used that S

all letter more or less same size attempt any size difference mostly because im sitting on couch instead of table

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[Urbanosity Ltd.]

satan, i like the s, but with that arrow extension it just seems out of place with every other letter,, plus the T is fat, and the beginning m is really large compared to the letters that make up satan

[Mc Satan]

i kinda want to find a way to incorporate that s i use it in my signature when drawing so want to keep it that way, and the other things you mentioned i admit where just sloppiness. I'm just trying to figure out a way to write it, which i might like. so im not being to precise. I know having letters smaller than others is a no no but i kinda like the "M" and "C" combo from the first pic i posted.

[Ace.K]

Post your tag in the toy tag thread, satan. Let's see what you're working with.

[Mc Satan]

well that would mean me actually making one up right now. ill try and get a page or half a page of options than post it. in advance thanks for any help there is absolutely no graffiti here.

[dankbudz]

lame colorss, i had no green marker :mad:
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/matthew1o/0707111836.jpg

[Mc Satan]

im guessing green would have been what is now purple?

[dankbudz]

yeah, i probably woulda done some different colors though.

[Mc Satan]

maybe cause im partial to this particular color combo but letters in black ooze in neon green and 3d in a darker shade a green would look sick in my opinion

[Rasm]

@Dank, I actually kinda like that color scheme man. Looks like you took most of Rib's advice and it looks a lot better now.

@Mc Satan, For now learn how to draw the letters and then think about adding arrows and stuff. I know what you're trying to do with the S, but keeping it that way will prevent you from improving. Once you start drawing better letters adding an arrow to the S might look good, but right now it really doesn't. Also work on drawing better arrows. You didn't do that bad of a job of keeping your letters the same height (except for the C which should be slightly shorter) and width, but make sure you keep the bars that form the letters the same width. Notice how thick the bars on the T are compared to the other letters, especially that N.

[Mc Satan]

rasm thanks for advice and for now im just messing around trying to find a way to write my name with which im satisfied, so width height etc might be a bit sloppy at least untill i get it down to an idea i like. the arrow is actually something i do in my signature for all my drawings as i said so i kinda want to keep it. also is my original idea of a little "c" attached to the "m" that bad? cause i honestly kinda like it, allthough execution left something to be desired, once again i admit im working sloppy untill i get something i liek enough to practice on and eventually modify/stylize

[ribcage]

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bumps sinces Ise gots nos feedsbacks

*edit* nvm this new fucking bullshit reply system has got me all fucked up and wont bump my fucking picture or let me add it in through an attachment either so fuck it, this bump is to make yall look on the last page for my post :confused:

[TastyMcNasty]

lame colorss, i had no green marker :mad:
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/matthew1o/0707111836.jpg

bumping this, shits good mang! other than the extension on the top of the R (should be bigger), and the bottom bar of the E. and some of the drips are overdone, shouldve separated them a bit more

[Strange Journeys]

getting really abstract there eh rib. Looks tight so far, just maintain bar width and you should be good.

[ribcage]

lol uh how can I maintain bar width when its a 3dimensional piece

[Jokz]

just trying something simple, the fill makes it hard to see the actual letters, ill work on that.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5038/5914090047_43fb367588_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jokz/5914090047/)
Im back from Suffragette City (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jokz/5914090047/) by JokzOner (http://www.flickr.com/people/jokz/), on Flickr

c and c welcome

[ribcage]

really not all that bad for a simp, its the break in the O and the K that makes it hard to read though, not the coloring

[Shroomsh]

i didnt expect all the positive crits for my last two pieces :O will keep posting pieces ey

@Rib youve been improving a lot lately, good to see, i really like the 3d pieces, never been able to rock a 3d like that. keep it up!!

@Tasty your piece is also good, but make the outline thicker and it will make it look extra crispy :) that was probably the best thing i chose to do when working in blackbooks.

@Satan, practice inking a lot, your pen control is not the best, try not to use markers that soak into the page either, they make your pieces look cheaper

[sadgeh]

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/470/fightz.jpg

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3729/graffschetsen1007.jpg

Random shit.

[Mc Satan]

@ shroom, i know i dotn have the best material right now, will have to invest on that later on.
I'm still wondering about the whole big "M" little "C" attached to it thing though. Also i know im nto good enough to offer a trade, at least not writing, but is there anywhere i could ask to see other's take on my name?

[Mc Satan]

allright here is an attempt with more effort put into it. also i made a different lookign S on a different piece of paper and put it on. just to see which one you guys think look better


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[-Sinn-]

Mc Satan work on cleaning up your lines and thickening bottom of ur S you seem to understand the minimum requirements for simples now try makin em look pretty
Grimes only part im not feeling is bottom of the loop in the R and the top of the E try fattening em more next time other then that nicely done
Joks not really feeling any of it seems to bunched seperate it plus length of dif bars is throwing me off
Sadgeh - Make your letters bigger and do simps ur piece dont flow head more towards the look of your bloop sketchhttp://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture014-3.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture026-1.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture027-2.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture030.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture031-1.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture035-2.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture036-2.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture038-2.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture142-3.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture143-2.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture144-4.jpg

crits?

[Mc Satan]

thank sinn should i stick to the more straight edges "S" or the regular one? i tend to lean towards straight one. also of all the things you posted that raptor chick does not convince me neck to head connection looks weird and one shoulder is different height than the other. and this is just me wondering but why did you put such a gigantic cameltoe on her?

[sadgeh]

I know that it dont flow but I just want to know what the crits were.
But I posted it because I had only this two on the pc. So I check when I can upload other pics.

@Sinn that dragon girl the head looks in a weird direction the angle is a little too big or something (I have not much experience)
And props for the weed leaf.

[dankbudz]

Sinn- 2nd picture, both pages are dope, those weed leaf characters are tight.
and nice lizard women camel toe

skeetch for that basoe battle
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/matthew1o/0708111346.jpg

[Messer]

sin- i love your karaks and style...
dank- diggin' them simple rounded letters.
joks- try disconnecting those letters, they look like youre going for a tech style but it took me ages to realise what it said
mcsatan- drop the kiss/lighting bolt S and keep rocking them simples, try bringing them closer together and overlapping them a little.

doodled this at my mums house, might work on it and make it a karak:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/DSCF0032.jpg

pen ran out midway through this...payday tommorrow so im gonna pic up some cheap pens:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/DSCF0033.jpg

[ribcage]

@sinn good shit, post more. as for crits go, I think thicker lines like on the last 1 would do you wonders on the ones that have a lot of detail inside the letters like on the 2nd pic top right corner. That little SI on the 2nd to last pic at the top has got some simple steaz as well, woulda been dope if you did your wole word
-cheers

o yeah and this for the battle... im coloring it now... E's fucked so if you give me shit about it im going to murder your whole family
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/matthew1o/0707112044.jpg

[Messer]

yo,your E is fucked...

[ian]

yo ribcage that is good ma man, except that E. that extension from the bottom bar to make the middle bar is pretty fucked.
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been a while since i posted any pics, havent had much sketchin time. Crits on this bad boy?

http://cl.ly/2z373m0B09232O1t072u/Screen_Shot_2011-07-08_at_6.01.45_PM.png

[Mc Satan]

messer thanks for advice will try that later this is officially last appearance of lightning bolt "S" since i drew this before i read the post.
i thought i'd try something a little bit more stylized this time , and decided to try a 3d also
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[Ace.K]

A couple quick simples, not a lot of effort put in so if you want to crit just stick to the lettering I guess.

This one was bleeding throught the yellow highlight to the bottom sketch and got black and red in it. Self crits: The C is too small compared to the other letters and the E and K shouldn't have been connected that much.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/skier46/IMG00159-20110708-1703.jpg?t=1310162939

Self crits on this one: Top curve on C is bigger than bottom, the hole in the A is fucked up and the leg on the K is too short. I was more of trying to work with blending in fills on this one.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/skier46/IMG00158-20110708-1703.jpg?t=1310163003

[Mc Satan]

messer thanks for advice will try that later this is officially last appearance of lightning bolt "S" since i drew this before i read the post.
i thought i'd try something a little bit more stylized this time , and decided to try a 3d also
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bumping this cause i was last post

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[Ace.K]

Bring your letters in closer together^

[Mc Satan]

besides that what about the font and my first 3d attempt?

[ian]

yo ribcage that is good ma man, except that E. that extension from the bottom bar to make the middle bar is pretty fucked.
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been a while since i posted any pics, havent had much sketchin time. Crits on this bad boy?

http://cl.ly/2z373m0B09232O1t072u/Screen_Shot_2011-07-08_at_6.01.45_PM.png


bottom page bumpage


also, mc satan, make letters that are made from bars, consistent width, and close together. Also make them look like normal letters for now

[Mc Satan]

allrite first attempt at having the letters be slightly on top of each other plus 3d
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[ribcage]

@ian your a fuck face, and why is your O a U

[Rasm]

@Rib, I feel like the BA and the SE are two slightly different styles or something and it doesn't help the flow very much. The E isn't your best, as you know, but overall your letters are pretty solid. Not too sure I'm digging that disappearing extension off the top of the A though. I think it would be dope if you made it connect to form the crossbar of the A. And the O might be a little too small. Other than that, not bad. Good luck in that battle!

@Ace, The places where your letters connect in that top sketch look bad because your bars don't line up properly there. In that second sketch, the top of the A and the hole inside it are bad. You missed 3D on the inside of the E and the top left leg of the K, and overall it's not great. (Note the bottom right left of the K)

@Noise, Man, don't tell me that's not supposed to be an O. The N's style doesn't seem to match because it's all straight lines compared to your O, S, and E which are almost entirely curved. The bars on it are too wide too. I do like the fills and the clean outline. Keep working on that style you used for the S and the E because it does have some potential.

McSatan, I'm not going to draw your name for you because that's something you need to learn to do on your own. As for your latest sketch, keep the 3D going the same direction; they way you made it on the C isn't working. You're missing some pink on the bottom right side of the M, and the 3D on the top of the S is bad. Keep all the diagonal lines that form the 3D either parallel, or angled towards a vanishing point. It's called perspective. Also remember to watch your bar widths. Widen that S up and cross those A's.

[Mc Satan]

actually i wanted to try it out without the crosses on the A also i know i fucked the 3d on the C and the S. does someone mine doing an S and a C in simple format so i can see the 3d first hand. it's been bothering me

[Shroomsh]

Glad to say that this is where its at :)
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@satan, me doing you a piece would be the worst thing for you.. you would start to bite, not on purpose but you will. ya have to develop your own style

[Mc Satan]

well can someone just do a simple 3d s and c im fuckign them up badly need soem reference

[EWL24]

ian - like rib said ur O looks kinda like a U, but other then that i like it
Shroomsh - that looks sick, i really like the cracks in it

just colored this in, crits please
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[Mc Satan]

ok both S and C 3d went a lot better this time, but i feel like i may have messed up the T.
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[dankbudz]

Ace.k- thats actually not that bad, you coulda cleaned it up a bit more though
Shroomsh- lookin sick, maybe extend that bar on the X more downward. the one that goes like /
EWL- work on smoother lines and you are missing the 3d on part of the E, and that top bar is funky.
Mc Satan- practice more, dont overlap letters, if you do then make them consistent for each letter. , that S is funky and you should work on your lines.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/matthew1o/0708112209.jpg

[Mc Satan]

thanks im jsut trying out new things as i go along,i knwo i gotta work on my S for some reason its always ugly. now was i right about the 3d on the T looking odd or is it jsut me?

[dankbudz]

its always ugly cause you need to keep practicing.
the 3d looks weird cause of the angle. since you got all the negative space on the left and right it looks funny. and you are missing some on the S.

[Mc Satan]

oh yeah just realized that on the S oh well at least personally i feel improvement they are taking a lot less each time. gto any suggestions on anything else i should practice?

[dankbudz]

your letters. and take your time.

[Messer]

sin- i love your karaks and style...
dank- diggin' them simple rounded letters.
joks- try disconnecting those letters, they look like youre going for a tech style but it took me ages to realise what it said
mcsatan- drop the kiss/lighting bolt S and keep rocking them simples, try bringing them closer together and overlapping them a little.

doodled this at my mums house, might work on it and make it a karak:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/DSCF0032.jpg

pen ran out midway through this...payday tommorrow so im gonna pic up some cheap pens:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/DSCF0033.jpg

bump for crits, mcsatan bring your letters closer together and bulk 'em out...

[Mc Satan]

allrite thanks, just an idea i had but should i start moving the vanishing point around also? to try out different angles?

[ribcage]

...just when I thought nah! couldnt become any stupider, he goes and makes another stupid account... yo nah! youve already been banned twice you little ugly troll, your on the road to a permaban. We no wan that tho cause then who is gonna make me look good

im on a muthafucking posting frenzy cause my laptop is actually letting me use the internet...
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g388/ribcage22/0708111542.jpg

[Mc Satan]

ok tried bigger letters and switched up the vanishing point off a bit to the side instead of center. realized to late that the N was to far away but other than that im actually kinda satisfied.
what do you guys think?
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[ribcage]

yikes, you shouldnt be satisfied with that...

You need to start making smarter decisions with your letters. Thats a pencil up there right? Use that pencil bro. Lol I got jokes, but on the real take more time and sketch your shit out. then after you havesketched letters draw your 3d on w/ pencil so you can fix your fuck ups before you ink it. An example of making smarter decisions would be- if your going to do a vanishing point, pick a point or spot that doesnt give you an awkward 3d. Like how your 3d is different for your A and N then it is for the rest of the letters.

[Mc Satan]

i work with pencil first ten pass pen,also considering my other ones i'm actually satisfied so far. the vantage point i'm just kinda messing around with just moving it around to do 3d from various angles. that way i can hammer into my head the correct 3d for both the C and the S which i have problems with. also my S finally came out looking allrite. every other S ive drawn so far had tons of dents. so considering my previous ones yes im satisfied. also went with bigger fatter letter like i was told on previous page. gonna have something to eat and try something out without any 3d and try to get them closer together maybe lean to one side just to test out.

[DaFugg]

Don't lean, focus on simple SIMPLE letters. You shouldnt be happy with that S or any letter on there. Fix the width of your letters. it should all be even.

[Mc Satan]

made it clear where i fucked up on the M by coloring it, besides that i think the other letters went well. also since im tired of drawing letters today added a lil devil on top
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[SVEZAJEZA]

why u drawin straight letters like that anyways, thats why we have computers.

[ian]

yoooo ribcage i was just fuckin with ya my dude, that turned out sick. Don't know if you're lookin for crits on the REACH as well but if you are, the top of the R should be a bit bigger and those weird things on the bottom left of the R and A need to go and so does that funky extension on the H. Other than that, lookin good. tbh i don't even mind that E in the basoe too much. Your fills are always clean as anything as well, somethin i like about your work. Keep it up my dude.


Mc Satan, on the right track somewhat, although i think your A's need their middle lines. Also all your lines are shaky as fuck. Work quicker with the marker. Good to see youre usin bars though, keep it up


One last bump, any more crits? This thing took me so long to do I would work like 5 mins on it and then walk away from it for the longest time. Been hella busy. I know the O looks like a U. Still can't rock that style. I'll also be postin up a sketch im workin on for the battle shortly when i finish it.


http://cl.ly/2z373m0B09232O1t072u/Screen_Shot_2011-07-08_at_6.01.45_PM.png




EDIT::::
http://cl.ly/2s0v2I3o1o1p1C1E311l/Screen_Shot_2011-07-09_at_11.21.52_PM.png

for the battle, gonna ink and color it tomorrow. Hit me

[Mc Satan]

lines are shaky mainly cause of the pen if i go quick it doesnt mark it well, i just need to either get hang of the pen or get something else. also at least in this last one it kinda felt right not to cross the A's i know i fucked up that M but realized when i was to late. decided to point it out myself. and the devil cause i needed to draw something that wasn't bars today. always been drawing on and off never liked straight lines.

[Ace.K]

@ian: for the Noise piece, the N is overpowering the other letters, and the top curve of the E looks a little goofy. Otherwise nice work. You might want to revise that Basoe piece. The letters gradually get bigger and smaller with each other. Compare that A to the B and S. Its miniature to them. Good work on the extensions on the B though, they look natural.

Can I get some crits on my entry for the battle? Just the rough draft.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/skier46/IMG00160-20110709-2357.jpg?t=1310274017

[Urbanosity Ltd.]

ace, all i can see right now is the E is a little low and i think the S is going over the O a bit too much

[Rasm]

Mc Satan, stop asking people to draw your letters for you. If you can't even do that on your own good luck ever coming up with an original style.

And 3D is extremely easy to draw. All you need to do draw diagonal lines that are all the same length and parallel to each other. (Don't do perspective yet, you clearly don't understand the concept well enough to do that) Then connect the lines but make sure to keep the line that forms the 3D the same distance from the letter throughout. That's why the top of your C in that sketch with the yellow 3D is so fucked up.

Try playing around with the wordart feature on MS Word. It should help your understanding.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j89/fearophobia/msword.jpg

[Ace.K]

Fixed it and filled it. Any better guys?

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/skier46/IMG00162-20110710-0246.jpg?t=1310284693

[manik00]

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crits please

[Mc Satan]

allrite i did some sketches this morning thought i'd post em. i think im staying out of 3d for awhile and stick to drop shadows till i get better hang of it
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[Strange Journeys]

drop the mc. Mc Satan is a dumb name. That first Satan is alrite, just straiten up the S and move it closer

[Mc Satan]

i kinda like it plus it's something ive been called by friends for almost 10 years. before i started trying to write it i asked in the question forums and you are the only one who has said anythign negative about it. plus i think just satan sounds like 12 yr old trying to be hardcore

[DaFugg]

Mc Satan sounds like a 12 year old trying to be hardcore just as bad..

[Rasm]

McSatan, your 3D on that middle one looks terrible because your diagonal lines aren't even close to parallel.. The ones coming off the top of the C are going almost vertically downwards, while the one off the top of the second A is almost horizontal. You seem to have no hope.

[dankbudz]

Ace.k- thats a nice simp but... that arrow in the background is pretty gay, in my opinioin. the B is bulgy on the bottom part, and the E is too close to the O.
Manik- give your word a baseline, and dont extend the bars past it, like on the A and K. and pay attention to bar width.

dude mc satan is suck a rad name

[Mc Satan]

on a srs note how many ppl think mc satan is to long,if you don't liek the name i dont care it's length that has me doubting

[Phat 2]

ok, enough with the banter about mcsatan's name.

bottom line for mc satan: your name's no good for graffiti, it's too long and isn't fit to be a writer's name. your friends called you that for 100 years, that's cool, and you don't have to change it, but know that it sucks.

bottom line for everyone else: you're all still gonna go on with your lives if a kid's name sucks. no more discussions on that topic please, we all know that his name isn't gonna change shit, and it's his choice.

end of discussion. the person after me has to post a flick. no crits, no shit. flicks first. crits later.
thanky yu

[EWL24]

crits please
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[Rasm]

Phat2, don't kill me for this, but McSatan, if you plan on getting up illegally, it's a bad idea to write something that people call you. Other than that, do what you want. Maybe you could shorten it to McSat or simply McS because having a 7 letter name can be a little long.

Anyways, I here's a quick sketch I did of your name. Don't bite it because it's pretty whack, but maybe it can give you some inspiration.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5678/imag092411.jpg

[Ace.K]

Neses would be good. Lots of opportunity with those letters.

Pic for talking. Here's my Basoe entry as posted before and an exchange I did with a guy from another forum who goes by Poker but used to write Pocet. Self crits: The poker chip and the R suck ass.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/skier46/IMG00171-20110711-0039.jpg?t=1310362829

[Strange Journeys]

i dont like the arrow or color scheme on the first one and the second one has a lot of inconsistincies with bars, especially the K, and the hole in the p e and r are wack. why no 3d?

[Shroomsh]

the usual style
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@kils thats for the tags thread isnt it?

[Mc Satan]

here it is inked, im really proud of this one, so crits please
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[Urbanosity Ltd.]

mcsatan, i like the squid, but the actual word of squid kinda kills it.. its small and its just hard to make it look good. you can keep it and be fine, but i'd get rid of it

[Rasm]

Xist, that would look really dope on a wall with a crazy multi-colored background and then that painted over it, hollow. And remember there's an apostrophe in "we're." :D

[aaesoo]

http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i345/Wholigan420/07112011013.jpg

all my markers are dying so i'm being forced to do color schemes like this so i don't use a whole lot of any one colour. need to go rack.

[Rezume_or_die]

why else would you be on here if you weren't putting effort into it,
it looks good, color it.
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any things i should fix on the letters?

[Jokz]

Ewal: not bad, but you gotta watch your kerning bro

Ace: the Basoe looks good although im not a fan of the fill. The Poker id say all the letters need work.

Shroomsh: that shit looks mad dope, now go colour it or paint. it would look sick.

Mc Satan: that squid character looks pretty dope although as said before the word itself is too small.

Aaesoo: doesnt look too bad but you gotta fix the 3D and work a little more on the letters, overall not bad tho.

Rezume: shit looks dope, the character in the background looks insane although its hard to see. id try to work more on the "Z" and i wouldnt connect that extension of the "U" with the "E"

Here's a sketch i did, theres lots of things wrong with it and i messed up a couple of times too. im not really satisfied with the "Z" cuz it looks too much like a 2.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6006/5928360305_ddf1a2e665_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jokz/5928360305/)
trying new things (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jokz/5928360305/) by JokzOner (http://www.flickr.com/people/jokz/), on Flickr

crits please!!! anything helps

[Mc Satan]

crappy photoshop coloring job untill i can get some colors

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[Shroomsh]

@rasm, ay, thats what i was thinking keep it hollow with a shadow of the lines, and i know that theres ment to be a ' in were, hell forgot to put it in D:

[Messer]

for mcsatan, cause i felt like it:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/DSCF0036.jpg

finally getting around to finishing this off:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/DSCF0035.jpg

[ribcage]

your style is um... interesting...

[Messer]

hahaha good or bad interesting? also, i showed a similar peice to a nurse in a psych ward i spent some time in a few years back and she said the exact same thing. hahaha.

[Phat 2]

messer, you the fucked up kind of emo
this shit blows as graff

[Mc Satan]

thanks for the writing allthough not sure how that would work out as graff. also your anatomy is a bit off. i like gore but there are no guts in tits which is what it looks like you drew coming out of it. also that woman sure has some child bearing hips on her :P

[arsebanditskaelsucker]

Ewal- i think the end of the l is a needs to be a bit longer as teh rest of the letters look a bit wider but its clean yo!
ace- that basoe i likes, the arrow colour change bit works well :)
Shroom-tiiight! :)
aeso- think you could do a bit more with the 3d bit to bland for my liking
jokz- liking most the stuff your posting up
Rezume- i like everything on that except the gaps on the m
messer- you draw fucked up shit there buddy i like it my brain thinks like that too lol :) it kinda scares me sometimes tho lol
but i think if you get your actually people drawing skills tighter that fucked up imagery could be freaking dope in the background of a piece or as a character etc :)
Mcsatan-i like the squid, think satan would work better than the Mc but i'm not guna start that argument again, just my honest opinion :)
again will try to sit down n draw some shit up for ya'll to crit me on taa' :)

[Messer]

hahaha thanks bro, i just like gore.

edit: pshhhh emo can smd.

[nah!]

do you watch alot of guro??

[Mc Satan]

allrite just posting up a lil sketch,gonna ink it and color it in a bit.trying out these new watercolor pencils.

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[Jokz]

some old, some new

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6141/5934211663_909318d63a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jokz/5934211663/)
sketchmania (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jokz/5934211663/) by JokzOner (http://www.flickr.com/people/jokz/), on Flickr
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6129/5934776290_b01c3b67f9_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jokz/5934776290/)
old sketch (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jokz/5934776290/) by JokzOner (http://www.flickr.com/people/jokz/), on Flickr
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6148/5934214507_4586a70f1a_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jokz/5934214507/)
old outline, new colours (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jokz/5934214507/) by JokzOner (http://www.flickr.com/people/jokz/), on Flickr

crits please

[Mc Satan]

i like the horned jokz and the middle one although the K looks a bit odd to me

[Jokz]

yea the "K" on both those sketches sucks.

[EWL24]

Mc Satan - wow that is a huge improvement since the last thing u put up, keep up the good work

Jokz - the one with the antlers is cool, but like mc satan said ur K's are weird, the best K u have is on the one below the antler piece

[Jokz]

yea all those k's are old outlines. the one underneath the antlers is kinda the new stuff im trying... different style, im still having trouble tho. itll come along eventually

[Bilnek]

for mcsatan, cause i felt like it:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/DSCF0036.jpg

finally getting around to finishing this off:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/DSCF0035.jpg

biting gesus, if you bite don't put it up, leave it be in your blackbook where nobody sees it, tho i love the intensinegirl sketch

[The Silent One]

If you think that's a Gesus Bite you might as well call out anyone that does a simple for writing "Scene" Messer's been writing for a while, and developed that style purely off simps back @ Mindgem forums a few years ago

[Mc Satan]

ok guys all colored in, excuse anything that looks weird in the coloring this is the first time i use these watercolor pencils. also my inking was off today had horrible pen control today

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[DaFugg]

That's 1000 times better than any shit you posted before man good job but keep working. That P looks too small for all the other letters and I'm not really feeling that little I.
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Anyone mind criting a handstyle exchange? Never really done handstyles.

[Mc Satan]

i was a little bti to short i plan on keeping the phile name each designnew theme this oen was audio- phile
next is necro-phile and i got ideas for a pedo-phile one. pedo bears ftw! :P

never tried handstyle or id crit he

[Ace.K]

Are you trolling us Satan? You've improved greatly. Nice work and good color scheme. The one thing I notice is the letters all have different sizes to them i.e. your p is small to the h.

Rough sketch to my exchange with Slack. I'm gonna work on my S and K. Just can't get one I'm satisfied with on each.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p104/skier46/IMG00177-20110714-0202.jpg?t=1310627458

[-Sinn-]

Slack - Your C seems to have a bend in it that doesnt match the flow of other letters which throws it off try shorter
DaFugg - start with basic straight letters close together and slowly rub funk on till desired affect has been reached
Mc Satan - You're improving by leaps and bounds. Good work now Impress me again
Jokz - The page with the antler sketch has style up the wazoo i love it the one under kills aswell try working on the K tho if i may suggest a kickback on bottom leg then horizontal gives a nice bend affect
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture217-2.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture219-1.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture200-2.jpg
How I spent my weekend. Well that and endless nights filled with smoke crits?

[Mc Satan]

thanks guys and besides the H which i know i did to big, and teh I which i purposely made smaller, all letters follow a rough outline i sketched in. drew curved line from top and bottom of speaker up to other side of paper.
also since i decided to leave 3d out of it i concentrate more on actually drawing. plus not having to draw only straight letters helps. i get bored easily. also im working on necro- phile now started last night

[Messer]

do you watch alot of guro??

idk what guro is?


biting gesus, if you bite don't put it up, leave it be in your blackbook where nobody sees it, tho i love the intensinegirl sketch

dude, i havent bitten anyone, i can show you like 300 flicks of progression over like 3 years if you need proof, im not gonna lie, 666 among other crews and writers have inspired me, but if you compare that and any other piece ive done to gesus, you will see CLEARLY that i didnt bite, but thanks for the props on the girl. and thanks to the guys that had my back on this :D.

edit:crits.
joks- im loving that first piece on the bottom of the page, you should do more like that.
mcsatan-im not loving the speakers but some good progress, good job son.
sin-i love your shit, exchange?

[Mc Satan]

i know about the speakers im kinda meh on them myself, but when i got down to drawign them i had an hour long brain fart. also guro is ultra violent anime if im not mistaken. guro is japanese bastardization of the english word gore. on a sidenote cause im not sure you read it int he previous page. study a bti of anatomy tits dotn have guts,nothing will come streaming otu of it in chunks like you drew. also this is just me im not a fan of the lil broken heart pin thingy

[Messer]

haha i'll have to look that shit up then, and yeah just ftr, i started this canvas about a year back, and if you compare to the sketch i posted about a week or so back i think i have improved a little, i dont really draw straight from my head but ive been working on it recently, i usually do sketches of my friends when i have a picture to base it on...

anyways, started this just incase sin actually does want an exchange, crits would be greatly appreciated cause i like it so far, i'll post more of it in a bit:
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/DSCF0038.jpg
ik my camera sucks nuts, i'm saving for a new one...

[Mc Satan]

right horn looks liek it might need some more curving to me the fingernail on teh index finger is pointing a different direction than the finger is, pinky finger/ finger nail seems to disappear behind the writing from what i can see. besides that it looks cool. although i still have serious problems reading your stuff, nothing bad this is just something i realized. and i don't really like your N's

[Jokz]

Sinn: your work is sick bro, i love your style and colour schemes. not a big fan of that random arrow coming off the "S" in the first piece but besides that... MONEY

[-Sinn-]

yeah i was baked as fuck and teaching friends i was all like "You see this shit?!! Don't do that! See where did this big ugly fuck come from?!!!?" btw Messer ill take u up on the battle P.s the girl u drew might go with piece more if her titty was torn off instead of sliced makes for more disgust and shock value lol maybe ill do a goth exchange for ya go back to my roots

[Phat 2]

mcsatan, I'm gonna need you to cut back on the posting a bit mang. you don't need to reply to each and every single comment people give you... you don't wanna be a flooder
dont reply to this. thanks.

[Messer]

sin, heres yours :), crit would be cool too.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p157/best-BTK/DSCF0040.jpg
fucked up the wings.

[killamanilla]

http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq278/floridagraff/071111034735.jpg
http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq278/floridagraff/071311215355.jpg
http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq278/floridagraff/P1000591.jpg

[Jokz]

sick shit man, i really digg the second piece's 3D fill. overall nice letter structure, i dont know how i feel about the U's one long one small leg, and the E's having no hole. keep it up tho

[-Sinn-]

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture221-2.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/zinkery90/Picture220-1.jpg
Messer thanks alot man as for critts i say widen the top of the S as with the dot on the i and the top last part of the N

[TastyMcNasty]

sin your shit it dope as fuck! i love your characs

messer- weird style, but theres something i like about it. but i will say (other than the devil thing) your characs are pre wack. no beef

[Mc Satan]

as i was saying this is the necro-phile theme just drew reworked that woman on the right to many times, and letters are nto straight by the time i realized it i was almost done did not feel like redoing the whole thing
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[killamanilla]

http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq278/floridagraff/P1000593.jpg

[TastyMcNasty]

^^yo diggin that style alot, E's a little weird on that one, and i dont like the M to U connection. really good tho

[Mc Satan]

here it is inked and colored crit pls
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[Xstinkt1]

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In Progress....

Something Quick.27446

[Messer]

mcsatan- some nice improvement.
tasty- i know man, im working on it :).

more flicks later :)

[DaFugg]

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Drew these while at work. top one while i was at a register and bottom one while i was on break. Crits?

[Mc Satan]

^^ i got a crit for you, why are you drawing at work young man!!! :P
on srs note i dont particularly like the Y in the top one

[arsebanditskaelsucker]

defo better mcsatan..bit of mexican day of the dead going off there??

[Graff2k11]

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o411/tcoley13/IMG952841.jpg

Critss^
I know the bottom of the s could be tweaked.. t doesn't relly flow bf the extension on the n could use a little work. Anything else y'all see?

[.Cuore]

huge improvement mcsatan.

[kridabob]

sin ya shits dope.
dunno if my pics are gonna upload. crit me like crazy tho only really started writing a few months ago so i wana improve

[Mc Satan]

just a quick sketch i made from an idea i had, im pretty sure i messed up the H.
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[dankbudz]

try writing them on a straight line

quickie simp
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/matthew1o/0715112237.jpg

[Mc Satan]

whole idea was for it to spiral inward it was just a quik 10min sketch to see it on paper

[anime_amk]

Used to hit up the old mindgem forum back in the day most of this is few years old but meh sketch is a sketch.
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[TastyMcNasty]

yo dank, im digging your work lately, youre getting closer to the point when you can start playing around with connections/ extensions (etc.). keep it up

[ERAYS]

wow, I'm not even gonna try to give out crits because I'm probably worse at strait letters than all of the people on this page, but it would be nice if someone helped me out anyway.

This is my second straight letter ever...

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[upper90daynnight]

ay yo erays trust me ik when u start out doing graffiti you want to make the letters different because otherwise may aswell type it increase the font and print it, but letters wont look cool unless you get ur bar width and lengths down and then from there u tweak things a little bit at a time, shit takes time it will prolly be 3-4 months before your style shows through but its like riding a bike, no person hops on a bike for the first time and lands a front flip, because before they do all the flashy stuff, they need to master the basics like not falling off, got it?

[upper90daynnight]

hey user that shits dope, especially the color schemes and charcs on some of those peices keep it up bro

[ERAYS]

so basically what you're saying is keep doing straight letters and get the letter structure down?

[Rasm]

Just read this thread and look at the crits people are giving/getting. They're all the same. Get your bar widths down. Keep all your letters the same height and width. Keep them simple until you understand how they work, and eventually you'll be able to add connections and extensions that flow with the piece to give it your own style.

[Mc Satan]

after a few other attempts i realized the idea i had, and posted above was not working. so i decided to revive my squid, this time on a paper in which i could color it. crits please i think this may be more intricate thing i've tried so far. gonna wait for crits before i ink it.

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[Phat 2]

you've got the basic principles of bar usage down, but there still are some uneven places that need small tweaks. the 3D is fine more or less
The round part of the P is smaller than it should be, and the H is too wide, get the two vertical bars closer to each other next time.
also the 3D on the I's dot shouldn't have any angles
in general, I wanna give you props on the fast progress.
ink it, and keep it up

[arsebanditskaelsucker]

^^ agreed nice job mcsatan :)

[dankbudz]

yeah dude lookin good, diggin that character

crits?
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/matthew1o/0716111422.jpg

[Messer]

dope shit anime, amk reppin' <3

[Graff2k11]

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o411/tcoley13/IMG952841.jpg
Crits. ...SETN

[Mc Satan]

ok here it is inked
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[EWL24]

dankbudz - looks good

Mc Satan - u need to move faster with the marker, cause other wise the marker bleeds and the line looks blotchy

the top one i did yesterday but the bottom i did about a week ago
i wanted to try something different from what i have been doing crits please
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[toopski]

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7159/dsc0003se.jpg

not quite finished for the battle atm, but am sorta cbf so idk if ill finish it

[Mc Satan]

its actually a fine tip pen which is why it bleeds so much, still not quite used to it. here is the finished version getting the pink right is a pain in the ass. i srsly need to get job asap so i can order markers, this water color pencil thing is way to labor intensive,and un precise
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[DaFugg]

I don't think that lower case I really works. just looks out of place.

[Shroomsh]

exchange piece for "dzert" from canberra
Fuck i love female artists ♥
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[arsebanditskaelsucker]

^^ Tight shroom love your letter t's
exchange for mr slack....any crits please cuz i have been critting :)
http://img37.picoodle.com/i57h/potts/16fp_8bf_u905z.jpg (http://i.picoodle.com/03eifnz1)

[REVNoner]

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o411/tcoley13/IMG959583.jpg
critts^^^
REVN

[arsebanditskaelsucker]

^^ everythings a little too close together for me rev i do like the letters just spread them out abit for me personally :)

[REVNoner]

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o411/tcoley13/2011-07-17_14-32-24_672.jpg
Critts^^^
give me some feed back..
Revn.

[dankbudz]

SHROOMSH- that looks dope! but i feel like the T coulda been done differently. im not really feeling it with the whole piece.
REVN- Post yo ish in the right thread, son
but uh feedback... try smoothing your lines out and dont overlap those lines onto the letter before, and practice, and take your time.
also on the handy above that, dont try so hard to make it look cool, also dont worry about addons yet untill you can do good hands, itll just make ya look more toy.

colored this, i probably will eventually put a background, but i got lazy and stuck with solid color fill.
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q168/matthew1o/0717110119.jpg

[Graff2k11]

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o411/tcoley13/IMG959673.jpg
@hyphe looks a lot better colored.. but still no fan of straight letters. Check the new simp. Crits

[DaFugg]

The E is fucked up and none of the letters match, you need to practice straight letters to get your structure down.

[Rasm]

@McSatan, your stuff is coming along but if you keep spending all your time on drawing squid, you'll never improve your letters. Keep at it though.
@Xist, man, I like your stuff a lot, and that latest sketch is no different. And yes, there's nothing better than a female artist.
@Slack, those letters are pretty whack, so it could help to do a few simples to get some structure down. Make sure you keep all your 3D the same depth. As for the A, I can't really crit the character.
@Revn, seems like your hand is slightly shaky on that outline. I'd work on the top of the R if I were you. Besides that it's not that bad, just keep sketching.
@Dank, I feel like some of those letters, namely the Y and P, are a little too jagged or something in their top halves. I'm also not digging the middle bar of the E or the way both of the other horizontal bars are slanted towards the middle.

@hyphe looks a lot better colored.. but still no fan of straight letters. Check the new simp. Crits
Haha dude, you should start doing some straight letters because you could definitely use it. And the "new simp"? Don't tell me you plan on rocking that any time soon. The E disappears into the S, the drop shadow is fucked up, and the letters are different styles.

Here's something I did when the other night when I was wasted. I was choosing what letter to write as I went, and when I got to "KALNOR" I realized that it was almost Ironlak backwards, so I threw in an I at the end. It's whack as fuck but I wasn't in the mindset to care.
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3238/lakj.jpg

[Sors]

top piece by sors, bottom piece me [xist]
crits?
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[Phat 2]

are there any letters at all in there?

[Shroomsh]

Ahaha there was, but then i got cooked as usual, they read sors and xist but yeah dont give a fuck if ya cant read it, that wasnt the point of us doing this.

[arsebanditskaelsucker]

cheers for the crit rasm :) yeah to be fair i've not drawn a thing for a while so everything is a little rusty....just had fun with that one...did look good until i overcooked it with the white on the 3d n also the 3d just went a bit to far.....but least i drew something for once and actually had time to finish it lol
also the only thing i don't like or doesn't fit is the middle bar across the letter a on your backwards ironlak but other than that clean letter yo!
sors n shroom....i likes bit mental can't read a fucking on it but just to look at and admire...spot it buddy :)
danks- mega clean again bud i'd like to see you experiment more with the colour of your 3d and see if it will be trying to climb off the page lol
2k11- consider even gaps between the letters and letter over laying each other a little too much in places...general stuff like that i think
rev- agree with rasm neaten up those lines a little..needs to be a bit cleaner
and thats the world put to rights for today lol :)