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Neer1
08-07-2006, 11:35 PM
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n24/_Cian_/Picture48.jpg
Critz b4 colour

Stevie
08-07-2006, 11:49 PM
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5360/politiksketchfv1.jpg
my first sketch after going through the "New 2 Graff? Start Here." thread, it helped me a lot.. tell me what you think (keep in mind i'm still a major toy)

lost_for_evex
08-08-2006, 01:33 AM
quickie

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/ever_ebk/Picture083.jpg

d_g
08-08-2006, 02:28 AM
Originally posted by d_g@Aug 7 2006, 09:40 PM
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3630/560a0369ky6.jpg

I'm not happy with it, I know it needs work.

CC/tips/advice would all be good. Am I on the right track?
Bizzump.

Bowser
08-08-2006, 04:13 AM
^ I'd say try to make them a little more bubbley, with a littlepoint on eacht corner and youll have your self a nice throwie.

si0n
08-08-2006, 04:29 AM
is that supposed to be 3d or shadow, if so it looks real bad. you need to fix that but the letters look good

some_one
08-08-2006, 04:35 AM
that evex is nice, it looks like you used a ballpoint?? And i like the handstyles onit.

that mrceb stuff isent toy.

http://photos.yafro.com/pics3/i/20060808/02/3/8/b/38ba4b78274bbece5781b3286c7c7913200608080_full.jpg
comments please?

Seti
08-08-2006, 06:09 AM
beauty... i love the curves on the a and u, colours didnt scan well cuz ther baby blues and pinks, crits welcome
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b144/nightbreedkru/Image049.jpg

Code
08-08-2006, 06:13 AM
Here is something new i came up with, still on the simples, so just tell me what you think. And sorry for all the little smudges wasent able to clean them offf



http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1305/simplefb9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Code
08-08-2006, 06:14 AM
sorry about the size lol :P

-=AgA=-TrAnCe
08-08-2006, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by lost_for_evex@Aug 8 2006, 01:33 AM
quickie

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c302/ever_ebk/Picture083.jpg
:o super nice, this burns some shit in the bbook thread!!!

obseen
08-08-2006, 08:33 AM
dope evex, i love the freestyle look

AoAssis
08-08-2006, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by Seti@Aug 8 2006, 06:09 AM
beauty... i love the curves on the a and u, colours didnt scan well cuz ther baby blues and pinks, crits welcome
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b144/nightbreedkru/Image049.jpg
I feel good cuz I could actually read this one till it came down to the T and Y but I think I found them. Keep it up man.

NICCSACC
08-08-2006, 09:31 AM
http://graffitispot.com/upload/uploads/ec9008ea49.jpg

some guy from NCI...
08-08-2006, 09:40 AM
Niccsacc, I feel to start some donation fund and put it towards a new camera for you :(

Necro-
08-08-2006, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Code@Aug 8 2006, 06:13 AM
Here is something new i came up with, still on the simples, so just tell me what you think. And sorry for all the little smudges wasent able to clean them offf



http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1305/simplefb9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
first thing, resize your images please. it doesnt take much time and it makes pics much much easier to look at.

keep ALL of your letters the same size. and keep them even, dont have them going up and down like you have.

the 3D should not go that far around the bottom side of the O's.

when you are outlining a sketch learn not to use a bunch of little strokes to make one line, i used to do this and once i stopped my sketches looked a lot cleaner. you'll get better at outlining and coloring with practice. i find it fucking helluh hard to outline because i cant keep steady, and ive been drawing for years and years (not graff).

its really sloppy looking. if you get a white gel pen or even some whiteout you can clean up a ton of that shit on your sketches.

there's some tips, but you dont have to really listen to me ive only been writing for 3 months and i may be wrong.

Stevie
08-08-2006, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by Stevie@Aug 7 2006, 11:49 PM
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5360/politiksketchfv1.jpg
my first sketch after going through the "New 2 Graff? Start Here." thread, it helped me a lot.. tell me what you think (keep in mind i'm still a major toy)
critique

NICCSACC
08-08-2006, 09:53 AM
http://graffitispot.com/upload/uploads/46d2034537.jpg

Necro-
08-08-2006, 09:58 AM
stevie, overlap your letters more, and try to keep the parts of them the same thickness.

remove the random looking addons. the left side of the O, the bottomright part of the T, the arrow in the K.

all of your letters are bending the opposite way of the P.

and try some 3D

NICCSACC
08-08-2006, 10:29 AM
http://graffitispot.com/upload/uploads/7218749ed9.jpg

mrceb
08-08-2006, 10:33 AM
nice stuff venom likng the struct

prank
08-08-2006, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by Seti@Aug 8 2006, 06:09 AM
beauty... i love the curves on the a and u, colours didnt scan well cuz ther baby blues and pinks, crits welcome
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b144/nightbreedkru/Image049.jpg
DUde that aint toy!!!!!

prank
08-08-2006, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by some_one@Aug 8 2006, 04:35 AM
that evex is nice, it looks like you used a ballpoint?? And i like the handstyles onit.

that mrceb stuff isent toy.

http://photos.yafro.com/pics3/i/20060808/02/3/8/b/38ba4b78274bbece5781b3286c7c7913200608080_full.jpg
comments please?
thats a dope throw

NICCSACC
08-08-2006, 11:02 AM
http://graffitispot.com/upload/uploads/27f97ff154.jpg

some guy from NCI...
08-08-2006, 11:21 AM
Niccsacc I'm lovin all of it!

alive
08-08-2006, 11:55 AM
nicc- it gets better and better. the last one is fire.


someone- i love love love that throw. can we exchange?

seti- i cant read that style for my life, u showed me the letters once for one of your pieces, and i got it then, but im losttttttt. but thats my problem, your problem is that your in the wrong forum, none of us can help you.

my most recent, crits would make my day.


http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02563.jpg


and my very first real sticky! on my blackbook that i never use cuz im afraid to fuck it up. lol.


http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/71418ea3.jpg




help me!
peace.

some guy from NCI...
08-08-2006, 12:05 PM
If you got a blackbook, use it. Unless you're starting a passaround book and gettin loadsa good artists to piece it up, then dont worry about what's inside it. Your BB is gonna get messy, and you're gonna end up gettin a few.

alive
08-08-2006, 12:12 PM
haha alright alright ill start it up 2night. but can u give me any crits on my work?

alive
08-08-2006, 02:18 PM
sry for double post
10 minute pen freestyle for the next toy battle. not an entry, just a layout for if i decide to enter. practice.


crits please!!!!


http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/7a1dcf81.jpg




peace.

Suv
08-08-2006, 02:26 PM
no critz, but i really like that D. :D

sky 5
08-08-2006, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by Stevie@Aug 7 2006, 11:49 PM
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5360/politiksketchfv1.jpg
my first sketch after going through the "New 2 Graff? Start Here." thread, it helped me a lot.. tell me what you think (keep in mind i'm still a major toy)
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7595/1171780ah5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

politik - when ever you have a a dominant north south line in a letter (like a P, B, D, E, F, I, L, R, T) and your trying to do a bar style there are 3 ways i look to bend it. either leave it straight northsouth, bend the line out like the first P, or bend it in like the second P . . . that K needs some work, i did a quick one for you so trace that for 30 secs to get a good feel/flow for the bars then try a skecth ... its looking lke you have some style in ya thoo . . .

sky 5
08-08-2006, 02:34 PM
alive - thats looking like a good start . . . im not feelin the top of the A and maybe try to shoot the top (west to east) bar/line of the E strainght across instead of at that downward slant/angle . . . .

alive
08-08-2006, 02:36 PM
sky i cant see that pic so i doubt he can either. just a heads up. but do u think u can give me some crits on everything i posted up there? would mean a lot to me.

thanks so much
peace.

Seek139
08-08-2006, 02:36 PM
http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc02182zd3.jpg
quick d tryin to get back into graff...

sky 5
08-08-2006, 02:46 PM
yeah man ill pm you somethin in a couple mins . . . your progressin nicely thoo so i dont wanna stear you away from where your going . . . .

some guy from NCI...
08-08-2006, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by sky 5+Aug 8 2006, 02:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sky 5 &#064; Aug 8 2006, 02:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Stevie@Aug 7 2006, 11:49 PM
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5360/politiksketchfv1.jpg
my first sketch after going through the "New 2 Graff? Start Here." thread, it helped me a lot.. tell me what you think (keep in mind i&#39;m still a major toy)
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7595/1171780ah5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

politik - when ever you have a a dominant north south line in a letter (like a P, B, D, E, F, I, L, R, T) and your trying to do a bar style there are 3 ways i look to bend it. either leave it straight northsouth, bend the line out like the first P, or bend it in like the second P . . . that K needs some work, i did a quick one for you so trace that for 30 secs to get a good feel/flow for the bars then try a skecth ... its looking lke you have some style in ya thoo . . . [/b][/quote]
bump... sky5 you&#39;re sketches and advice are a big help to everyone, keep em comin.

Stonk
08-08-2006, 03:28 PM
&#91;IMG&#93;http&#58;//img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/Canonfilmer/s.jpg&#91;/IMG&#93;

sorry about the size, i&#39;ll resize later... also this was done using my left hand because my right one is broken so that should explain some of the sketchyness. anyway critz pleaes

EDIT: When I say resize it doesn&#39;t mean just edit back to the way it was, it means resize it before you post it, or dont show it at all - Some guy from NCI...

-=AgA=-TrAnCe
08-08-2006, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by alive@Aug 8 2006, 02:18 PM
sry for double post
10 minute pen freestyle for the next toy battle. not an entry, just a layout for if i decide to enter. practice.


crits please&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;


http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/7a1dcf81.jpg




peace.
:o that "d" is fucking smoking man, nice shit

some guy from NCI...
08-08-2006, 03:41 PM
yeh that is a real nice freestyle alive... you&#39;re gettin ALOT better.

spuck
08-08-2006, 03:44 PM
and know, to bring things down to a MUCH lower skill level
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/21916411478.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/8/21916411478.jpg&s=f10)<<thumbnail
ideas for a little throwie...

yeah, its simple, but i like it, i went a little overboard with the bubbles, and in a perfect world, they would be pink.

Seek139
08-08-2006, 03:48 PM
their not the same size and your K isnt defined enough back the drawing board if u ask me

spuck
08-08-2006, 03:53 PM
well, also, that was a pretty fast sketch late at night in the dark with my mp3 player&#39;s backlight as my light source....

i think ima try to do it again, maybe try to get some prismas beforehand, and spend a little more time on it...

Seek139
08-08-2006, 04:03 PM
if u really want a styled throwie just go one letter at a time...for like 20 pages or more

spuck
08-08-2006, 04:11 PM
well, theres a certain line to be drawn i think. Granted, you dont want every toy who doesnt know shit to be out on the street. But then again, I dont wanna sketch in my notebook for fucking-ever and let my realitive lack of style keep me from doing anything. Im not some fucktard whose going to be going over burners and such, i know where my towel is. So regardless, im gonna keep sketching, but im also gonna hit the streets too, theres nothing wrong with being a newb if your not ignorant....

[/rant]

Seek139
08-08-2006, 04:16 PM
well toys wanting to squash have ruined most of nyc except south bronx from what i&#39;ve seen....

spuck
08-08-2006, 04:17 PM
thats the advantage of being upstate, theres hardly anything to ruin

alive
08-08-2006, 04:19 PM
firstly, thanks everyone for your comments&#33; those are the best reviews ive ever gotten here. im excited&#33; then. . .


mesk- ur letters shrunk a little as the throw progressed. its hard, but get that down. i want to suggest that at the moment u work on ur block letters and pieces, not ur throws, and at ur begining level, go on google, and artcrimes and the big boy thread etc, and look and study every single throw and piece with your letters. im glad u held back on colors, u dont need them yet, u need to focus on the letters, and i also want to suggest for u to stop fooling around with backgrounds at all. keep going


now heres another fast pen freestyle, this time with an extra red sharpie forcefield added at the end. i tried to pull the letters together a bit more and make them more dynamic as sky says i need to work on. its a bit sloppy, the strokes arent all quite the same size when they should be and such, but i like it.
thank you so much sky for the pm, and all of your advice. im gonna keep going.
crits apprieciated everyone&#33;


http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02565.jpg

---------------------------

btw, for all u real beginers out there i want to show u this. this is where i started out. actually i was worse then this for quite a while, but i dont have pics of my earliest, maybe ill get some. writing ALIVE, (thats where my username came from) and COERCE, which ive now shortened to COER. not that im that great now&#33; but definitely improved.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/25-11-05_1310.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/12-11-05_1742.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02441.jpg

peace.

nephs ike201
08-08-2006, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by spuck@Aug 8 2006, 04:11 PM
well, theres a certain line to be drawn i think. Granted, you dont want every toy who doesnt know shit to be out on the street. But then again, I dont wanna sketch in my notebook for fucking-ever and let my realitive lack of style keep me from doing anything. Im not some fucktard whose going to be going over burners and such, i know where my towel is. So regardless, im gonna keep sketching, but im also gonna hit the streets too, theres nothing wrong with being a newb if your not ignorant....

[/rant]
while you have the right idea, you still want to be at a certain point before you go out and paint illegally....you should have a descent simple style down before you go out and try to get known.....stick to the books for a little while longer

Seek139
08-08-2006, 04:30 PM
my piece again two letters almost done
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc02183ar6.jpg

alive
08-08-2006, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by alive@Aug 8 2006, 04:19 PM
firstly, thanks everyone for your comments&#33; those are the best reviews ive ever gotten here. im excited&#33; then. . .


mesk- ur letters shrunk a little as the throw progressed. its hard, but get that down. i want to suggest that at the moment u work on ur block letters and pieces, not ur throws, and at ur begining level, go on google, and artcrimes and the big boy thread etc, and look and study every single throw and piece with your letters. im glad u held back on colors, u dont need them yet, u need to focus on the letters, and i also want to suggest for u to stop fooling around with backgrounds at all. keep going


now heres another fast pen freestyle, this time with an extra red sharpie forcefield added at the end. i tried to pull the letters together a bit more and make them more dynamic as sky says i need to work on. its a bit sloppy, the strokes arent all quite the same size when they should be and such, but i like it.
thank you so much sky for the pm, and all of your advice. im gonna keep going.
crits apprieciated everyone&#33;


http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02565.jpg

---------------------------

btw, for all u real beginers out there i want to show u this. this is where i started out. actually i was worse then this for quite a while, but i dont have pics of my earliest, maybe ill get some. writing ALIVE, (thats where my username came from) and COERCE, which ive now shortened to COER. not that im that great now&#33; but definitely improved.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/25-11-05_1310.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/12-11-05_1742.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02441.jpg

peace.
bump. last fucking post on the page. i hate that shit.



peace.

spuck
08-08-2006, 04:53 PM
whoa, thanks for bumping that, i didnt even see it...

Seek139
08-08-2006, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by Seek139@Aug 8 2006, 04:30 PM
my piece again two letters almost done
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc02183ar6.jpg
bump

beefgerky
08-08-2006, 05:25 PM
seti? <_<

xAWOKE.925
08-08-2006, 05:26 PM
loll. chomped that whole 3d style shit.

alive
08-08-2006, 05:46 PM
it is similar, but there are other people who do 3d like that, and theyre are giant differences in style. not necessarily a bite. any crits for me though? posted some shit on the last page besides what i bumped too if u might care to look.


thanks
peace.

obseen
08-08-2006, 05:50 PM
the first one is the only one i like, cos i like the p and the a

spuck
08-08-2006, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by obseen@Aug 8 2006, 05:50 PM
the first one is the only one i like, cos i like the p and the a
i thought it was a d...

and that was the only one he wanted crits on, the others were just examples of his previous inexperience

alive
08-08-2006, 06:18 PM
lol its a D. its a quick sketch to give me ideas for the this weeks toy battle. thats the word, DALEK.

and as spuck said, the rest are from mad mad long ago to show improvement. read the whole post next time.

crits tho?


thanks
peace.

Necro-
08-08-2006, 06:28 PM
i really like the idea of a signature character. my favorite artist has one and ive been working on one of my own the past few days. it started as an ordinary black cat and here is where it is at so far. i think he&#39;s a cool little guy :lol: .

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k76/Saldort/development015.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k76/Saldort/development014.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k76/Saldort/development013.jpg

crits?

toon!..
08-08-2006, 06:30 PM
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3475/picture004jg5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

to clear this up im not from NYC, i just love NYC lol

spuck
08-08-2006, 06:34 PM
fan of anti-flag?

and i like the cat, it doesnt seem to fit with the last one tho

some guy from NCI...
08-08-2006, 06:34 PM
:wub: <3 the throw...

--

Necro whats with the anarchy symbol?

Fosale!
08-08-2006, 06:57 PM
the cat looks like the cat from trigun
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/AlexheartsJennifer/2fd17ef9.jpg

Seek139
08-08-2006, 07:05 PM
ACTUALLY ... my d isnt for the battle and yes seti is one of my influence&#39;s soo some of what i bring to table hes brought

Seti
08-08-2006, 07:50 PM
he he i neva been a good influence before, la la

Bowser
08-08-2006, 08:28 PM
heres a new throw up. I fuct up the pink stuff, what ever you wanna call it.

CRITZ...please?

http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/620/pinkthrowieje6.th.jpg (http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pinkthrowieje6.jpg)

Necro-
08-08-2006, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by spuck+Aug 8 2006, 06:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (spuck &#064; Aug 8 2006, 06:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>fan of anti-flag?
[/b]
yeah they were my fav band until they&#39;re latest fucking sellout album. but theyve been losing rhythm with each album ever since A New Kind Of Army. still a good band, but not my fav ne more.


Originally posted by Some Guy From NCI...@
Necro whats with the anarchy symbol?
just a sticker i did with a leftover square.

<!--QuoteBegin-Fosale&#33;
the cat looks like the cat from trigun[/quote]
the only resemblance i really see is that theyre both cats :P , lol. but my char started just as a black cat so its still a little similar it&#39;ll develop more i think. my favorite writer&#39;s char started out somethin like this:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k76/Saldort/devil_001.jpg

and now it&#39;s this:

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k76/Saldort/rghegh.jpg

alive
08-08-2006, 08:36 PM
thats ur fav artist? well to each his own i guess.


so heres the some updates on my pen freestyles, just added a little color. gonna start on a new one soon.

crits please&#33;

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02566.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02567.jpg



peace.

Seek139
08-08-2006, 08:40 PM
yo seti answer my f*****g pm&#39;s...gotta hit the books cause i&#39;m on the 6th month vacation shit sux

some guy from NCI...
08-08-2006, 08:53 PM
he lives in the uk you mug, so chances are he&#39;s probably asleep seein as it&#39;s 3am here

toon!..
08-08-2006, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by toon&#33;..@Aug 8 2006, 06:30 PM
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3475/picture004jg5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

to clear this up im not from NYC, i just love NYC lol
*cough*

some guy from NCI...
08-08-2006, 08:56 PM
hotness

Bowser
08-08-2006, 08:56 PM
nice work toon, really


http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/620/pinkthrowieje6.th.jpg (http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pinkthrowieje6.jpg)

cough-cough

Rane *DF* *HM*
08-08-2006, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by alive@Aug 8 2006, 04:19 PM
firstly, thanks everyone for your comments&#33; those are the best reviews ive ever gotten here. im excited&#33; then. . .


mesk- ur letters shrunk a little as the throw progressed. its hard, but get that down. i want to suggest that at the moment u work on ur block letters and pieces, not ur throws, and at ur begining level, go on google, and artcrimes and the big boy thread etc, and look and study every single throw and piece with your letters. im glad u held back on colors, u dont need them yet, u need to focus on the letters, and i also want to suggest for u to stop fooling around with backgrounds at all. keep going


now heres another fast pen freestyle, this time with an extra red sharpie forcefield added at the end. i tried to pull the letters together a bit more and make them more dynamic as sky says i need to work on. its a bit sloppy, the strokes arent all quite the same size when they should be and such, but i like it.
thank you so much sky for the pm, and all of your advice. im gonna keep going.
crits apprieciated everyone&#33;


http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02565.jpg

---------------------------

btw, for all u real beginers out there i want to show u this. this is where i started out. actually i was worse then this for quite a while, but i dont have pics of my earliest, maybe ill get some. writing ALIVE, (thats where my username came from) and COERCE, which ive now shortened to COER. not that im that great now&#33; but definitely improved.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/25-11-05_1310.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/12-11-05_1742.jpg
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02441.jpg

peace.
wow... you are def getting tons better. now its just a matter of developing your style more, and taking it to the public. good work.

spuck
08-08-2006, 09:06 PM
http://f10.putfile.com/thumb/8/21922052354.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=main/8/21922052354.jpg&s=f10) < thumbnail...


not really looking for crits on style (or lack thereof) but more technical kinda stuff.

i tried my best to make sure that the letters were the same width and height and such, evidenced by the little pencils lines....


edit : why does it ALWAYS look shittier after ive gone and posted it, does that happen to anyone else?

just some things that i notice that are bugging me.
the s extends back a little too far
the k is just a complete pile of shit
the right side of the m isnt quite right...


i need to spend more time on my sketches.... its just hard, im not a very patient person...

for tommorrow i think ill post another effort, but try to put atleast a half hours work into it, instead of like 5 minutes...

alive
08-08-2006, 09:11 PM
thanks rane&#33; :D means a lot

now spuck, thats good with the height, but go ahead and erase the lines afterwords. i really, really think you should work on blockbusters right now, throws&#33; if u listen to me i swear i will help you as much as i can every step of the way&#33; but if not, ill still try to help, so for now, keep your letters the same width as well as height&#33; and i told you before, quit fucking around with the backgrounds, they dont matter right now. the letters matter. make the e look like an e, not a circle with a line and a dot. dont stop.


peace.

ps. just saw your edits, look, all im gonna say now is please just trust me. blockbusters will help you with everything. you can pm for extra crits if want and u work on blockbusters btw.

spuck
08-08-2006, 09:14 PM
i liked the line and the dot :(
but yeah, i see what your saying...

i wasnt trying to do any backgrounds there, i just didnt erase after &#39;checking my work&#39;...

i did some block busters before, but with a different name, but i should still do more i guess. Its just getting dull, but i suppose it&#39;ll be worth it in the end...


man, i said &#39;but&#39; alot towards the end there....


edit : i saw your edit, i will, and thanks

alive
08-08-2006, 09:24 PM
lol sry abt that. o i thought with the rectangle things it was supposed to be a background. no worries.

blockbusters do suck, but exactly, itl be worth it in the end. its important that you do em for your current name at ur lvl.

i look forward to ur pm.


peace.

Necro-
08-08-2006, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by alive@Aug 8 2006, 08:36 PM
thats ur fav artist? well to each his own i guess.


hell yeah. he&#39;s got a really unique style and i love his stuff. here&#39;s a couple of his pieces ( i prolly shouldnt post pics here but if the Mods dont like it then they can delete, i suppose.)

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k76/Saldort/kukuu.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k76/Saldort/fuul_smaal.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k76/Saldort/saim.jpg

inspiring

uhhh
08-08-2006, 09:38 PM
mann. that shits amazing.

is it jusyt me or was the page count around 1200 not too long ago?

Stonk
08-08-2006, 09:48 PM
Originally posted by Stonk@Aug 8 2006, 03:28 PM

&#91;IMG&#93;http&#58;//img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/Canonfilmer/s.jpg&#91;/IMG&#93;

sorry about the size, i&#39;ll resize later... also this was done using my left hand because my right one is broken so that should explain some of the sketchyness. anyway critz pleaes

EDIT: When I say resize it doesn&#39;t mean just edit back to the way it was, it means resize it before you post it, or dont show it at all - Some guy from NCI...
sorry about that anyway here we go. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/Canonfilmer/sensketch1.jpg

magic nyc
08-08-2006, 09:57 PM
This thread grows by like 5 pages a day and 10 on weekends.

sublimestyle
08-08-2006, 10:03 PM
PLEASE let me know what you think I should do with this.. Like you know, make it taggable. any crits would be sick
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m171/sublimestyle514/054d48ee.jpg

[]RENT[]
08-08-2006, 10:07 PM
what you should do? practice, basics

Its not a tag so its not taggable, I wouldnt suggest painting it

Get rid of all those things coming off the ends of your letters, you have to learn how to add those types of things properly, and just coming off anywhere doesnt look the best. Not alot of crit as there isnt much i can say

NICCSACC
08-08-2006, 10:07 PM
yikes&#33; resize it first.

RaZeRoCkS
08-08-2006, 10:07 PM
blocks man

lost_for_evex
08-08-2006, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by Bowser@Aug 8 2006, 08:28 PM
heres a new throw up. I fuct up the pink stuff, what ever you wanna call it.

CRITZ...please?

http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/620/pinkthrowieje6.th.jpg (http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pinkthrowieje6.jpg)
iv seen this shit like 100 times..stop fuckin repostin it if no one crits it sketch again.

ShIfTeD
08-08-2006, 10:36 PM
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/1876/liezff2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

gigadee gigadee

Nyc Sno
08-08-2006, 10:56 PM
fucking dope bro def not toy bbook worth ;-)

alive
08-08-2006, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by alive@Aug 8 2006, 08:36 PM
thats ur fav artist? well to each his own i guess.


so heres the some updates on my pen freestyles, just added a little color. gonna start on a new one soon.

crits please&#33;

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02566.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02567.jpg



peace.
bump&#33; i need crits&#33;


shifted, it looks cool, but i cant read it at all.

sublime, im sry, i cant deal with the size. now ur in the right thread, but make it smaller for me to give u crits.

stonk, make me some blockbusters and ill help you from there.



anyone who would like some extra help can PM me, but only if u commit to taking my advice. i will do my best to help you get as far as i am, not that im expert.

slEEt
08-08-2006, 11:19 PM
Latest bullshit:

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4530/blah007mediumhz7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Crits.

prank
08-08-2006, 11:19 PM
first bnlock busters

ill keep working it

what should i concentrate on?

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7016/image59cq1.jpg

slEEt
08-08-2006, 11:41 PM
^I say focus on everything being equal in length and width, such as the bottom of the Y seems a bit smaller/thinner than the top of it. Same goes for the bottom right of the K.

eype
08-08-2006, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by slEEt@Aug 8 2006, 11:19 PM
Latest bullshit:

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4530/blah007mediumhz7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Crits.
dude, thats definitely estos e and s

[]RENT[]
08-08-2006, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by eype+Aug 8 2006, 11:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (eype &#064; Aug 8 2006, 11:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-slEEt@Aug 8 2006, 11:19 PM
Latest bullshit:

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4530/blah007mediumhz7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Crits.
dude, thats definitely estos e and s[/b][/quote]
no.. not really, thats his, this is estoes

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/EKOSIZKING/DSCF1226Medium.jpg
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/EKOSIZKING/DSCF1211Medium.jpg

that looks nothing like it

ShIfTeD
08-08-2006, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by alive+Aug 8 2006, 11:12 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (alive @ Aug 8 2006, 11:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-alive@Aug 8 2006, 08:36 PM
thats ur fav artist? well to each his own i guess.


so heres the some updates on my pen freestyles, just added a little color. gonna start on a new one soon.

crits please&#33;

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02566.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02567.jpg



peace.
bump&#33; i need crits&#33;


shifted, it looks cool, but i cant read it at all.

sublime, im sry, i cant deal with the size. now ur in the right thread, but make it smaller for me to give u crits.

stonk, make me some blockbusters and ill help you from there.



anyone who would like some extra help can PM me, but only if u commit to taking my advice. i will do my best to help you get as far as i am, not that im expert. [/b][/quote]
thanx man says liez

clean it up a bit, and i dont know if the pen scribble for the 3d shadowing is lookin iight or not

keep it up man, eventually it will look a o k ;)

slEEt
08-08-2006, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by eype@Aug 8 2006, 11:42 PM
Dude, you can scroll through this thread and see that i&#39;ve posted a new version of this throw almost every night changing a little bit at a time, have fun.
Dude, you can scroll through this thread and see that i&#39;ve posted a new version of this throw every night changing it, have fun.

Necro-
08-09-2006, 12:07 AM
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k76/Saldort/development018.jpg
http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k76/Saldort/development017.jpg

i hate all of my V&#39;s, i can never seem to find one that matches style and still looks good. im likin my A&#39;s a lot tho.

RaZeRoCkS
08-09-2006, 12:09 AM
where is the a at

Necro-
08-09-2006, 12:12 AM
middle letter

eype
08-09-2006, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by &#091;
Latest bullshit:

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4530/blah007mediumhz7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Crits.
dude, thats definitely estos e and s[/b][/quote]
no.. not really, thats his, this is estoes

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/EKOSIZKING/DSCF1226Medium.jpg
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/EKOSIZKING/DSCF1211Medium.jpg

that looks nothing like it[/b][/quote]
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2023/dscf12732wincect5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

shazzam&#33;

RaZeRoCkS
08-09-2006, 12:14 AM
o my bad, it looked like a r to me. try to make the right side of it straighter.

enorganik
08-09-2006, 12:15 AM
Black marker wason the fritz in some spots so bleh. I&#39;m rly just messing around I don&#39;t like it much.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/enorganik/08-09-06_0110.jpg

RaZeRoCkS
08-09-2006, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by eype+Aug 9 2006, 12:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (eype @ Aug 9 2006, 12:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-&#091;
Latest bullshit:

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4530/blah007mediumhz7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Crits.
dude, thats definitely estos e and s[/b][/quote]
no.. not really, thats his, this is estoes

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/EKOSIZKING/DSCF1226Medium.jpg
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k138/EKOSIZKING/DSCF1211Medium.jpg

that looks nothing like it[/b][/quote]
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/2023/dscf12732wincect5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

shazzam&#33; [/b][/quote]
haha

Eype: 1 Sleet: 0

slEEt
08-09-2006, 12:33 AM
Is that person on this forum? now I need to change my shit up again ;/

Sorry about that.

fukbuff124
08-09-2006, 01:21 AM
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k319/OTRwriter1/SEKONE.jpg

any crits?

doomsayer
08-09-2006, 03:56 AM
hah, I can see it much better, looks pretty cool man, i dont like the E that much tho

ShIfTeD
08-09-2006, 04:08 AM
damn havnt i seen that sticker like 10 times before?

doomsayer
08-09-2006, 04:26 AM
any crits:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/surfgrommit/8e47d05a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/surfgrommit/truth.jpg

Krash
08-09-2006, 07:14 AM
Originally posted by doomsayer@Aug 9 2006, 04:26 AM
any crits:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/surfgrommit/8e47d05a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/surfgrommit/truth.jpg
doomy,those are alright for simples,but the thing is,you&#39;re adding little buldges and bits,when yu shouldn&#39;t.also,keep your letter width the same :)

Zire
08-09-2006, 07:56 AM
Why did u repost the post directly above u?

alive
08-09-2006, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by ShIfTeD+Aug 8 2006, 11:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ShIfTeD @ Aug 8 2006, 11:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by alive@Aug 8 2006, 11:12 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-alive@Aug 8 2006, 08:36 PM
thats ur fav artist? well to each his own i guess.


so heres the some updates on my pen freestyles, just added a little color. gonna start on a new one soon.

crits please&#33;

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02566.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02567.jpg



peace.
bump&#33; i need crits&#33;


shifted, it looks cool, but i cant read it at all.

sublime, im sry, i cant deal with the size. now ur in the right thread, but make it smaller for me to give u crits.

stonk, make me some blockbusters and ill help you from there.



anyone who would like some extra help can PM me, but only if u commit to taking my advice. i will do my best to help you get as far as i am, not that im expert.
thanx man says liez

clean it up a bit, and i dont know if the pen scribble for the 3d shadowing is lookin iight or not

keep it up man, eventually it will look a o k ;) [/b][/quote]
well, it was a pen freestyle, so its rele hard to make it look clean. the red sharpie was just an afterthought. took me abt 10 minutes. but to be honest, my ten minute freestyles are generally better then when i work pencil first. dont know why.

DOOM: have you perfected your blockbusters yet? your letter structure is weak. keep all the strokes of the letter the same width. use BARS.

fukkbuff- i like the s, hate the e, keep workin on it.

esol, its looking better, to bad its a fucking BITE&#33; haha dont worry, i believe that it was an accident. . . but fix it up.

crits still welcome
peace.

Fosale!
08-09-2006, 10:50 AM
shit i did in the car on the way to camp
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/AlexheartsJennifer/ba0f7c80.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/AlexheartsJennifer/761dc3e2.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/AlexheartsJennifer/c57242d8.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/AlexheartsJennifer/abfb15f1.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/AlexheartsJennifer/d3b808bb.jpg
didn&#39;t finish in time for the battle so i finished it at camp, yeah i know i suck at fake drips.
Before camp junk
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/AlexheartsJennifer/ca27ebb8.jpg

Crits?

spuck
08-09-2006, 10:54 AM
resize

alive
08-09-2006, 11:17 AM
resize damnit&#33;


new pen freestyle with a red sharpie outline. says LUSTER.


http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02568.jpg

please critique&#33;



peace.

slEEt
08-09-2006, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by alive@Aug 9 2006, 11:17 AM
resize damnit&#33;


new pen freestyle with a red sharpie outline. says LUSTER.


http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02568.jpg

please critique&#33;



peace.
I like it, pretty dope.

eype
08-09-2006, 12:09 PM
much better

magic nyc
08-09-2006, 03:05 PM
Stop progressing ahead of me....alive thats dope

-=AgA=-TrAnCe
08-09-2006, 03:07 PM
&hahah, i think i got a nice new throwie, pics soon hopefully.

Quake
08-09-2006, 03:59 PM
http://photos.yafro.com/pics3/i/20060809/13/3/0/6/3066b6553a9af4fa590ec9a097b5566f200608090_full.jpg

whitch "k" is best, do you think^^

and comments on the thow please&#33;&#33;

sky 5
08-09-2006, 04:16 PM
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/236/1171784tz0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

second or thrid K, not feelin the first one . . .

alive
08-09-2006, 04:46 PM
fire sky. but i cant quite make out what it says? i def see an R. and an E. and then im pretty sure a K. but the im a bit lost. i can make out what could be an S, or a K, or a crazy B. but that doesnt make sense. but its dope.

kwake, i say the second.

thanks every1 for ur compliments&#33;, ne1 have any ideas for improvement though? heres an updated version. was a black pen freestyle, with a red sharpie outline. got a new black outline on the letters, and some blue for the 3D. sloppy but o well. was fast. sadly i cant seem to do much better when i take my time.

luster for luster
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/32335411.jpg

and haha, again to show improvement, from a few months ago, my first LUSTER piece.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02444.jpg

crits please&#33;


peace.

alive
08-09-2006, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by alive@Aug 9 2006, 04:46 PM
fire sky. but i cant quite make out what it says? i def see an R. and an E. and then im pretty sure a K. but the im a bit lost. i can make out what could be an S, or a K, or a crazy B. but that doesnt make sense. but its dope.

kwake, i say the second.

thanks every1 for ur compliments&#33;, ne1 have any ideas for improvement though? heres an updated version. was a black pen freestyle, with a red sharpie outline. got a new black outline on the letters, and some blue for the 3D. sloppy but o well. was fast. sadly i cant seem to do much better when i take my time.

luster for luster
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/32335411.jpg

and haha, again to show improvement, from a few months ago, my first LUSTER piece.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g121/coercethemasses/DSC02444.jpg

crits please&#33;


peace.
last post on the page. i hate that. so bump.

Socrates
08-09-2006, 04:54 PM
allright you&#39;ve improved
shut the fuck up already, goddamn

ZOMone
08-09-2006, 04:55 PM
testing out sharpie ultrafine pens... http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/7761/picturepp9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

alive
08-09-2006, 05:34 PM
haha sry&#33; didnt mean it to brag. just thought that it might be interesting for some1 to see. im still not that great anyway. and id stilll love some crits. havent gotten any on this, though the complements ar much appriciated.

ZOM- is is supposed to say something? if so, i suggest you start on some blockbusters. if not. the character is hott. i could never shade like that.



peace.

ZOMone
08-09-2006, 05:43 PM
yea, its a style im working on, the left one is a z and the right is supposed to be an m but i messed it up, i was mainly just messing around with my new markers. thanks for the feedback

ZOMone
08-09-2006, 05:46 PM
heres one of my pencil sketches
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4421/graff002as7.jpg

Kombo
08-09-2006, 05:55 PM
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6532/wuntewie5.jpg
Crits Please ;)

Socrates
08-09-2006, 05:56 PM
some crits. havent gotten any on this,

make your letters flow more, they look like the&#39;ve all had siezures.
Get rid of those pointless squares. get rid of the points for example on the e


overall your s is your worst letter, looks like a broken spinal column.

keep drawing and dont repost your shit so much. its not at a level where its enjoyable to see


Zom- what the fuck is it supposed to say??

alive
08-09-2006, 06:00 PM
haha fuck you. serveral people here enjoyed looking at it vry much thank you. look on the last page. but ill take ur crits into consideration. i think the black outline made it look a lot worse. o well. freestyled anyway. i know damn well im still vry toy. someday tho.


lets see some of your work hmmm?



peace.

Socrates
08-09-2006, 06:05 PM
i hate reposting shit but why not
gotta imitate evex coz he be thee man
and by the way, this is the toy thread. dont take compliments that you are given here seriously, because they mean jack shit


http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1259/4596805/9654950/172600535.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1259/4596805/9654950/172600529.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1259/4596805/9654950/172600519.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1259/4596805/9654950/172600500.jpg
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1259/4596805/9654950/173653437.jpg
fucked up on the w, but whatever

slEEt
08-09-2006, 06:11 PM
^ I really like the first one and last one.

alive
08-09-2006, 06:16 PM
haha thats a very good point. and damn, wait, so ur MSE? new accnt?
or am i confused.

ill shut up now, and go work some more. those sketches earn my respect.



peace.

sublimestyle
08-09-2006, 06:17 PM
crit this throw up, BIATCH. i did some re-working.. hope you likey
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m171/sublimestyle514/DSCF0010-1.jpg

alive
08-09-2006, 06:20 PM
i need all your letters the same size and height. dont oeverlap so much either. also, pick up a pencil and one black marker and forget you own anything else. focus on the letters. put each letter into a square.


keep going,
peace.

Socrates
08-09-2006, 06:23 PM
i dont like it
keep sketching your on the right track
dont over complicate things, dont over simplify shit either
or youll get euro bullshit (the irony of this statement is, i live in europe)


and alive yes, one of the people who knew my password for mse changed it
they refuse to tell me what it is now

>PhAzE<
08-09-2006, 06:25 PM
No, BIATCH...you dont deserve it.

magic nyc
08-09-2006, 06:26 PM
yo,........................... 7more sketches till 8765exp and i can level up to graffiti master lvl 47

sublimestyle
08-09-2006, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by >PhAzE<@Aug 9 2006, 06:25 PM
No, BIATCH...you dont deserve it.
Hey motherfucker, what the fuck is your problem. Did I come on to this forum to be bitched at by some asshole whos got nothing better to do, or try to get better at graf. I hope you get raped in the ass, PHAZE.

As to the rest of you, thank you for your help. You seem to be much more useful then this fuckin jerk.

extirpate
08-09-2006, 07:05 PM
for toy battle , not done but what you think so far?
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1102/dalekel9.jpg

alive
08-09-2006, 07:12 PM
haha i think ive got you beat, thats what i think. but good luck&#33; i would add some 3d. and u shoulda made all ur letters the same size. and tighter togther. theres too much white space. also watch how you letters drifted down. . .


peace.

spuck
08-09-2006, 07:21 PM
Originally posted by sublimestyle@Aug 9 2006, 06:17 PM
crit this throw up, BIATCH. i did some re-working.. hope you likey
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m171/sublimestyle514/DSCF0010-1.jpg
it looks like you just took a bubble throw-up and straightend the edges...

dont do anything complicated early on, i can show you some horrible pictures i drew, i mean they were BAD. i tried to do wild stuff and it turned out like shit. SO its simples for me untill i get alot better

sor
08-09-2006, 07:52 PM
haha squaremaster throwie

NICCSACC
08-09-2006, 08:58 PM
should i enter this or come up with something else? its for the DALEK thing...

http://graffitispot.com/upload/uploads/bebd015574.jpg

uhhh
08-09-2006, 09:40 PM
dammmn. even that simple has mad style. nice.

well enter what you want. image uploading isn&#39;t working so i can&#39;t show you what i got so far. but i&#39;ll probably redo it cuz the color job is pretty sloppy.

757
08-09-2006, 09:55 PM
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8025/p8090134kr1.jpg

MF Feed Letter
08-09-2006, 10:04 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/four420twenty/IMG_1657.jpg

The Stig
08-09-2006, 10:09 PM
i like that throwie

Kombo
08-09-2006, 10:21 PM
For the toy battle
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/4319/daleklz4.jpg
Whatcha think?

@MF I think you forgot an "S"
Other then that its pretty sick ;)
Edit: Nevermind I see what u did :rolleyes:

MF Feed Letter
08-09-2006, 10:27 PM
the names vanessa...spelt it vanesah

Kombo
08-09-2006, 10:27 PM
I kinda realized that after i posted :rolleyes:

nerdx
08-09-2006, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by NICCSACC@Aug 9 2006, 08:58 PM
should i enter this or come up with something else? its for the DALEK thing...

http://graffitispot.com/upload/uploads/bebd015574.jpg
i wouuld redo it on a bigger page then enter it.

sor
08-09-2006, 10:44 PM
ya i agree

sor
08-09-2006, 10:44 PM
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/648/dsc02501uo1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
what you guys think about this?

slEEt
08-09-2006, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by Kombo@Aug 9 2006, 10:21 PM
For the toy battle
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/4319/daleklz4.jpg
Whatcha think?

@MF I think you forgot an "S"
Other then that its pretty sick ;)
Edit: Nevermind I see what u did :rolleyes:
I love the pattern.

sor
08-09-2006, 10:54 PM
whatcha think of my shit?

757
08-09-2006, 11:08 PM
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8025/p8090134kr1.jpg
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/4383/p8100130hk5.jpg

sublimestyle
08-09-2006, 11:09 PM
Another crappy attempt. Dont rub it in.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m171/sublimestyle514/DSCF0003.jpg

slEEt
08-09-2006, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by sor@Aug 9 2006, 10:54 PM
whatcha think of my shit?
Kinda hard to read for me, but I love the fills and the drips.

slEEt
08-09-2006, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by 757@Aug 9 2006, 11:08 PM
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8025/p8090134kr1.jpg
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/4383/p8100130hk5.jpg
Se?

slEEt
08-09-2006, 11:13 PM
Originally posted by sublimestyle@Aug 9 2006, 11:09 PM
Another crappy attempt. Dont rub it in.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m171/sublimestyle514/DSCF0003.jpg
Try going more simple, either block letters or just simple bubble letters.

757
08-09-2006, 11:19 PM
sc, not se

fukbuff124
08-09-2006, 11:22 PM
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k319/OTRwriter1/SEKONE.jpg
crits?

ShIfTeD
08-09-2006, 11:26 PM
STOP POSTING THAT&#33;

youve posted that to many times, and yet everyone gives you crits

make somthing new, and stop reposting that for crits

CrowdKiller
08-09-2006, 11:26 PM
yeh, go simple you should start off with doing just simple straight letters and then build on that and develop a style andconsistancy... the letters should be the same thickness all round and lose those detatchments (middle of the s, top of the e, bottom of the e, etc etc.) and the highlights or whatever theyre supposed to be are off.

fukbuff124
08-09-2006, 11:27 PM
i&#39;ve only posted it twice and the first time you said you couldnt see it then the second no one gave me any advice so i thought maybe i&#39;d get some feedback this time but uhh yeah

fukbuff124
08-09-2006, 11:28 PM
thanx crowdkiller

MF Feed Letter
08-09-2006, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by MF Feed Letter@Aug 9 2006, 10:04 PM
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/four420twenty/IMG_1657.jpg
bump for critssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss......... mf feed letter rolls the weed better ...

d_g
08-09-2006, 11:30 PM
^^ It&#39;s hot.

C3ZR ONE
08-09-2006, 11:33 PM
That shits always hot MF. Not much too crit except the tag&#39;s a little wack, but I&#39;d trade a good tag for those letters anyday.

Are you gonna hook up that thread or what? I&#39;ll name my first born Yaser....

bouncingsoul
08-09-2006, 11:38 PM
Yo, I&#39;ve been trying out new things with my letters like connecting them and stuff. And I wanted to make like the whole piece as one instead of overlapping letters and here&#39;s what I came up with... I was gonna ink it heavily like I used to (like Askew&#39;s sketches)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g314/poopdepants/07b7e29c.jpg

I love bits haha

slEEt
08-09-2006, 11:39 PM
I still can&#39;t come up with a decent E ;/

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5713/blah013mediumij9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

d_g
08-09-2006, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by bouncingsoul@Aug 9 2006, 11:38 PM
Yo, I&#39;ve been trying out new things with my letters like connecting them and stuff. And I wanted to make like the whole piece as one instead of overlapping letters and here&#39;s what I came up with... I was gonna ink it heavily like I used to (like Askew&#39;s sketches)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g314/poopdepants/07b7e29c.jpg

I love bits haha
Mean, you know fo Askew, where are you from?

RaZeRoCkS
08-09-2006, 11:47 PM
nice shit dude

MF Feed Letter
08-10-2006, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by C3ZR ONE@Aug 9 2006, 11:33 PM
That shits always hot MF. Not much too crit except the tag&#39;s a little wack, but I&#39;d trade a good tag for those letters anyday.

Are you gonna hook up that thread or what? I&#39;ll name my first born Yaser....
i know i suck at handys but ya what do you want me to do for the thread?

C3ZR ONE
08-10-2006, 12:12 AM
Do whatever you feel. Whatever you want to teach, or whatever you want cats to learn. Preferably a pic tutorial with flicks at different stages of progression or whatever. And thank you&#33; I&#39;m looking forward to seeing your presentation. I know it will be ill.

sky 5
08-10-2006, 12:28 AM
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9566/1171787rf3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

"dalek"

slEEt
08-10-2006, 12:45 AM
Some more shit, please crit ;/

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/4966/blah014mediumqw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/9971/blah015mediumpd4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

C3ZR ONE
08-10-2006, 01:02 AM
Sleet- I&#39;m gonna be brutally honest with you homeboy. You should probably draw more and post less. The reason I say that is because I&#39;ve seen you post this throwie almost identically over and over again and there hasn&#39;t been much progression to it, nor does it have much to critique. It&#39;s basic, but you&#39;d probably be better off going even more basic, because it just looks sloppy and it doesn&#39;t look like you&#39;re familiar with your letters yet. You haven&#39;t really pulled any flair out of them. I&#39;d probably work on blocks for a while, or at least something other than that throwie, cuzz it just ain&#39;t workin.
On the bright side tho, your tag is coming along&#33; ;)

sky5- That&#39;s beautiful.

bouncingsoul
08-10-2006, 01:13 AM
Yo cezr what about mine?

And to d_g, I&#39;m not even close to New Zealand, I can tell you that

C3ZR ONE
08-10-2006, 01:18 AM
I thought it was a pretty nice step forward for you bounce. The 3d really pushed it out and I loved the bits.

I&#39;m a sucker for bits...

Tode
08-10-2006, 01:22 AM
Originally posted by sky 5@Aug 10 2006, 12:28 AM
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9566/1171787rf3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

"dalek"
looks sick but..lil over kill on the arrows

bouncingsoul
08-10-2006, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by bouncingsoul@Aug 9 2006, 11:38 PM
Yo, I&#39;ve been trying out new things with my letters like connecting them and stuff. And I wanted to make like the whole piece as one instead of overlapping letters and here&#39;s what I came up with... I was gonna ink it heavily like I used to (like Askew&#39;s sketches)

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g314/poopdepants/07b7e29c.jpg

I love bits haha
bump

Thanks cezr haha

Shit just realized I missed some 3d on some of the bits... Oh well

d_g
08-10-2006, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by bouncingsoul@Aug 10 2006, 01:13 AM
Yo cezr what about mine?

And to d_g, I&#39;m not even close to New Zealand, I can tell you that
Oh yup, just that he&#39;s an NZ&#39;er (unless you&#39;re talking about someone else) didn&#39;t know how well he was known outside of NZ.

bouncingsoul
08-10-2006, 01:56 AM
Yeah, I just found the SUK site one day and that&#39;s how I knew about him

NICCSACC
08-10-2006, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by Tode+Aug 10 2006, 01:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tode @ Aug 10 2006, 01:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-sky 5@Aug 10 2006, 12:28 AM
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9566/1171787rf3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

"dalek"
looks sick but..lil over kill on the arrows [/b][/quote]
that shit is picture perfect broham

damn imma try real hard on that dalek battle now this shit actually inspired me.
thats the perfect style. mucho props ese
pz

d_g
08-10-2006, 06:09 AM
Originally posted by bouncingsoul@Aug 10 2006, 01:56 AM
Yeah, I just found the SUK site one day and that&#39;s how I knew about him
Oh yup.

The other crew Askew is in, TMD (a New Zealand crew) just won the writ4gold worl champs.

Anyways...back on topic.

bouncingsoul
08-10-2006, 06:47 AM
I&#39;m pretty sure it&#39;s the same dude... Yep, it says he&#39;s in TMD too.

:edit: Does TMD have a website? I wanna check out more of their stuff

bouncingsoul
08-10-2006, 09:43 AM
Sorry for the double post but I&#39;m sorta in a hurry and don&#39;t want to edit my other post... New sketch here it is... I hated my X in this one though. Shitty bits I know... I was bored

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g314/poopdepants/24d9e4b9.jpg

MF Feed Letter
08-10-2006, 09:54 AM
the only thign i kinda like is the x..except for its extension at the end. the e is all right just looks a litte squished but that h is realy outta uniform
as for your "bits" they should come off of places it kinda just looks like you have random ones everywhere

nerdx
08-10-2006, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by NICCSACC+Aug 10 2006, 02:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (NICCSACC @ Aug 10 2006, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Tode@Aug 10 2006, 01:22 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-sky 5@Aug 10 2006, 12:28 AM
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9566/1171787rf3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

"dalek"
looks sick but..lil over kill on the arrows
that shit is picture perfect broham

damn imma try real hard on that dalek battle now this shit actually inspired me.
thats the perfect style. mucho props ese
pz [/b][/quote]
it looks really good, i just think the K kinda of got a little lost in there.

bouncingsoul
08-10-2006, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by MF Feed Letter@Aug 10 2006, 09:54 AM
the only thign i kinda like is the x..except for its extension at the end. the e is all right just looks a litte squished but that h is realy outta uniform
as for your "bits" they should come off of places it kinda just looks like you have random ones everywhere
Yeah, I just put a ton of random bits all over the place in this one cuz I wanted to do something but I didn&#39;t want to start a whole new sketch haha... And it was squished because I&#39;m not really used to drawing with the book horizontal... My stuff looks free-er when I turn it sideways... I&#39;ll get some more sketches tomorrow

slEEt
08-10-2006, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by C3ZR ONE@Aug 10 2006, 01:02 AM
Sleet- I&#39;m gonna be brutally honest with you homeboy. You should probably draw more and post less. The reason I say that is because I&#39;ve seen you post this throwie almost identically over and over again and there hasn&#39;t been much progression to it, nor does it have much to critique. It&#39;s basic, but you&#39;d probably be better off going even more basic, because it just looks sloppy and it doesn&#39;t look like you&#39;re familiar with your letters yet. You haven&#39;t really pulled any flair out of them. I&#39;d probably work on blocks for a while, or at least something other than that throwie, cuzz it just ain&#39;t workin.
On the bright side tho, your tag is coming along&#33; ;)

sky5- That&#39;s beautiful.
Werd man, thanks alot.

757
08-10-2006, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by 757@Aug 10 2006, 12:08 AM
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8025/p8090134kr1.jpg
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/4383/p8100130hk5.jpg
jump.

what do you think of this throwup.

ras
08-10-2006, 11:45 AM
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7918/rainrc2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

critz and comment plz ?

oh...cannot think of different fill-in designs , any tips , thanks ?

DJLotus
08-10-2006, 11:59 AM
Jesus so many arrows....

DJLotus
08-10-2006, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by 757+Aug 10 2006, 11:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (757 @ Aug 10 2006, 11:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-757@Aug 10 2006, 12:08 AM
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/8025/p8090134kr1.jpg
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/4383/p8100130hk5.jpg
jump.

what do you think of this throwup. [/b][/quote]
Is that an attempt at 3d ? on the left side of each letter?

757
08-10-2006, 01:01 PM
no, its a shadow.

spuck
08-10-2006, 01:06 PM
ok, im gonna be honest here, i dont like it at all...

first off, the s looks alot like a 5.
second, the c, well the c just looks like some huge bubble.
i would definitely advise that you do something different with the tops of the letters. That crew cut thing just isnt attractive...

and lastly, those shadows dont look right to me at all...

but thats all just me, hope i was helpful

757
08-10-2006, 01:15 PM
hahaha...you&#39;re not having sex with it...thanks though. anyone else? :)

DJLotus
08-10-2006, 01:27 PM
Either fix the shadow or just completely take it off because it looks horrible.

NICCSACC
08-10-2006, 01:28 PM
id add another letter cuz theres mabye 700 billion SC&#39;s running around.
also, change the tops i bet you use your wrist more than your arm too. just an observation... upgrade ya game, player.

spuck
08-10-2006, 01:36 PM
if i remember correctly, hes the one who writes santa claus, so the SC has a signifigance, you cant just up and add a letter, still a valid point however

NICCSACC
08-10-2006, 01:40 PM
yeah im saying tho, he should just tag up with SANT or some shit cuz his "s&#39;s" and "c&#39;s" are really bad in general. plus, it&#39;s only 2 letters... he needs more to work with. basically, it needs a style transfusion. no beef just my 2 cents.

sor
08-10-2006, 01:51 PM
haha i agree with niccsac man you need to have more letters for a throwie what you guys think about this???
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/2177/dsc02498jp5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

DJLotus
08-10-2006, 02:06 PM
Just my 2 cents but... I think it needs a little more letter definition. Kinda hard to spot our your letters in that.

sky 5
08-10-2006, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by sky 5@Aug 9 2006, 04:16 PM
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/236/1171784tz0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

second or thrid K, not feelin the first one . . .
bumpin this b/c for no real reason i decided to draw an oval then try to keep the letters within the oval while filling up the inside . . . . . . i learned alot from it so if your having trouble keeping your letters proportional (mine arent but i was going for the lil to big to lil) or if a huge blank sheet of paper thorws off your focus then draw a rectangle, circle or oavl and try to keep your letter structure within the lines . .

clockworkfuse
08-10-2006, 02:41 PM
is this arm wrist ting only for throwups?

spuck
08-10-2006, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by clockworkfuse@Aug 10 2006, 02:41 PM
is this arm wrist ting only for throwups?
say what?

clockworkfuse
08-10-2006, 03:23 PM
he said hes probly using his wrist and not his arm

NICCSACC
08-10-2006, 03:30 PM
naw man when i say use your arm not your wrist its mainly for throwups and tags but i dont use my arm too much on peices unless its a tight bend. its good if you can just "wing" it ya dig what im sayin? cuz when you draw with your wrist you lose alot of motion. results vary tho so...

heres my 2nd attempt at DALEK not usin it tho... figured id share it.

http://graffitispot.com/upload/uploads/03a3fdb57c.jpg

spuck
08-10-2006, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by NICCSACC@Aug 10 2006, 03:30 PM
naw man when i say use your arm not your wrist its mainly for throwups and tags but i dont use my arm too much on peices unless its a tight bend. its good if you can just "wing" it ya dig what im sayin? cuz when you draw with your wrist you lose alot of motion. results vary tho so...

heres my 2nd attempt at DALEK not usin it tho... figured id share it.

http://graffitispot.com/upload/uploads/03a3fdb57c.jpg
i like it, but i think the L could have been better, its kinda like a C the way it blends into the E at the top...

that k however, is, how-you-say, &#39;proper dope&#39;.


damn, its tough using complex sentence structure on a forum, look at all those commas...

NICCSACC
08-10-2006, 03:36 PM
yeah that damn L is a pain in the ass trying to fit it to the a and e. im feeling my E tho. hate the K glad you liked it. ill have something better for the actual battle. just playing with ideas i wanna keep it classic. pz

ras
08-10-2006, 03:37 PM
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/5499/lastscanvv2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I only really concentrated on the karak and not the throwie....scanner took away nearly all the cula onit too :angry: ...... cirts comments ?

spuck
08-10-2006, 03:42 PM
hate the K glad you liked it.

it looks like its dancing, or rearing up to kick something in the face

-=AgA=-TrAnCe
08-10-2006, 03:43 PM
^charack is fliying lol. his gay lips arnt.


piece needs mork. even it out more.

NICCSACC
08-10-2006, 04:04 PM
dalek #4...
http://graffitispot.com/upload/uploads/db139bfe74.jpg

ras
08-10-2006, 04:04 PM
http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/1162/throwietx0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Quick throwie....crits comments :D

NOMX
08-10-2006, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by NICCSACC@Aug 10 2006, 04:04 PM
dalek #4...
http://graffitispot.com/upload/uploads/db139bfe74.jpg
make the d more defined and make it bigger, get a better camera too

NICCSACC
08-10-2006, 04:11 PM
i like the "n" at the end. its different from what i usually see...
pretty dope son

sor
08-10-2006, 04:19 PM
nicsac your karaks look like homies haha did you copy those?

ras
08-10-2006, 04:21 PM
its menna be a gangster/homie kinda guy but i aint copied it ......

spuck
08-10-2006, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by sor@Aug 10 2006, 04:19 PM
nicsac your karaks look like homies haha did you copy those?
those little dudes you can get in the quarter-vending machine things?

haha, i had a friend who collected tho, he had a fucking army

ras
08-10-2006, 04:25 PM
they dont have them in England ... well what i know off they dont ..

sor
08-10-2006, 04:30 PM
haha ya check out this peice i did
letters are more defined i hope what you guys think???
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/162/dsc02494ab3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

sor
08-10-2006, 04:30 PM
supposed to say meso

ras
08-10-2006, 04:32 PM
the "o" looks like a "t" but i like the "m"

spuck
08-10-2006, 04:33 PM
eeeeehhh...

those extentions are kinda wack, especially the one on the o, i never woulda guessed that was an o. have you looked at the &#39;new 2 graff" thread? it has some REALLY helpful letter structure tuts and extention addition tuts...

sky 5
08-10-2006, 04:34 PM
fugly sorry sor . . .

ras
08-10-2006, 04:56 PM
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9541/rainuf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

i posted this erlier but nether got any critz ... critz comments please ?

im also struggling on fill-in idea&#39;s...any tips for me will be appreciated ? ;) :)

NICCSACC
08-10-2006, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by sor@Aug 10 2006, 04:19 PM
nicsac your karaks look like homies haha did you copy those?
hell naw its my shit.

NICCSACC
08-10-2006, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by ras@Aug 10 2006, 04:56 PM
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9541/rainuf6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

i posted this erlier but nether got any critz ... critz comments please ?

im also struggling on fill-in idea&#39;s...any tips for me will be appreciated ? ;) :)
its a 50 footer...

it looks dope as hell from 50 feet away then you get closer and notice alot of flaws. the colors are great IMO just the structure of the letters are whacked. still, a dope burner

spuck
08-10-2006, 04:58 PM
id suggest looking at other stuff if you need fill ideas, maybe browse the picture forum...

some guy from NCI...
08-10-2006, 05:00 PM
hahaha fills are the one thing he doesn&#39;t need

ras
08-10-2006, 05:01 PM
i agree niccsacc

Mugyver
08-10-2006, 05:01 PM
some simples. a little out of practise on one of them.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/Mugyver/simple-elect.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b59/Mugyver/ish.jpg

cess!
08-10-2006, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by nerdx+Aug 10 2006, 10:55 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (nerdx @ Aug 10 2006, 10:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by NICCSACC@Aug 10 2006, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by Tode@Aug 10 2006, 01:22 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-sky 5@Aug 10 2006, 12:28 AM
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9566/1171787rf3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

"dalek"
looks sick but..lil over kill on the arrows
that shit is picture perfect broham

damn imma try real hard on that dalek battle now this shit actually inspired me.
thats the perfect style. mucho props ese
pz
it looks really good, i just think the K kinda of got a little lost in there. [/b][/quote]
the k isnt lost, its obvious

awesome style, this shit more developed will be one the the best styles iv seen..

shifty!
08-10-2006, 05:04 PM
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9823/sh018uw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6653/sh020oq6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8033/sh019xd0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
crits pleasee, tryin to get a better throwie

NICCSACC
08-10-2006, 05:04 PM
rise: scribbling is good for sketching keep it a solid fluid line when you ink it. you scribbled every single line to hell. and id add at least 1 color till you get better gee. pz

by the way, ive seen alot worse if that makes ya feel any better...

ras
08-10-2006, 05:04 PM
yeah .. that dalek is ace

magic nyc
08-10-2006, 05:06 PM
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9668/1031788108lbg9.jpg


Crits my *****

ras
08-10-2006, 05:08 PM
i like the layout ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

magic nyc
08-10-2006, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by magic nyc@Aug 10 2006, 06:06 PM
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9668/1031788108lbg9.jpg



One problem I always have is keeping the same letter style while doing my whole name. I tend to write the MA one way and the GIC another without intending to. Any advice?

lost_for_evex
08-10-2006, 05:36 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

magic u start shit with everone and look at ur work.

d_g
08-10-2006, 05:44 PM
Originally posted by bouncingsoul@Aug 10 2006, 06:47 AM
I&#39;m pretty sure it&#39;s the same dude... Yep, it says he&#39;s in TMD too.

:edit: Does TMD have a website? I wanna check out more of their stuff
Not that I know of.

But there is a thread on HipHopNZ forums with heaps of TMD stuff in it.

http://hiphopnz.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t...4&postorder=asc (http://hiphopnz.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=39234&postorder=asc)

shifty!
08-10-2006, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by shifty&#33;@Aug 10 2006, 05:04 PM
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/9823/sh018uw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/6653/sh020oq6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8033/sh019xd0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
crits pleasee, tryin to get a better throwie
crits...

sky 5
08-10-2006, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by lost_for_evex@Aug 10 2006, 05:36 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

magic u start shit with everone and look at ur work.
why the f you always runnin your mouth startin ish . . . . spend more time doing graffitti instead of tryin to sound and look it sucka . . .

ras
08-10-2006, 05:54 PM
just a small peice....tryna use new 3d&#39;s and shit....and grasp diff&#39; letter sturture&#39;s.....critz an&#39; comment&#39;s would be helpful ?? :D

ras
08-10-2006, 05:55 PM
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8060/raug1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)