ZOMG!!!11!!!!1 Shepard Fairey is a biter....

[Kayone707]

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6999/obamaid1.jpg



NEW YORK – On buttons, posters and Web sites, the image was everywhere during last year's presidential campaign: A pensive Barack Obama looking upward, as if to the future, splashed in a Warholesque red, white and blue and underlined with the caption HOPE.

Designed by Shepard Fairey, a Los-Angeles based street artist, the image has led to sales of hundreds of thousands of posters and stickers, has become so much in demand that copies signed by Fairey have been purchased for thousands of dollars on eBay.

The image, Fairey has acknowledged, is based on an Associated Press photograph, taken in April 2006 by Manny Garcia on assignment for the AP at the National Press Club in Washington.

The AP says it owns the copyright, and wants credit and compensation. Fairey disagrees.

"The Associated Press has determined that the photograph used in the poster is an AP photo and that its use required permission," the AP's director of media relations, Paul Colford, said in a statement.

"AP safeguards its assets and looks at these events on a case-by-case basis. We have reached out to Mr. Fairey's attorney and are in discussions. We hope for an amicable solution."

"We believe fair use protects Shepard's right to do what he did here," says Fairey's attorney, Anthony Falzone, executive director of the Fair Use Project at Stanford University and a lecturer at the Stanford Law School. "It wouldn't be appropriate to comment beyond that at this time because we are in discussions about this with the AP."

Fair use is a legal concept that allows exceptions to copyright law, based on, among other factors, how much of the original is used, what the new work is used for and how the original is affected by the new work.

A longtime rebel with a history of breaking rules, Fairey has said he found the photograph using Google Images. He released the image on his Web site shortly after he created it, in early 2008, and made thousands of posters for the street.

As it caught on, supporters began downloading the image and distributing it at campaign events, while blogs and other Internet sites picked it up. Fairey has said that he did not receive any of the money raised.

A former Obama campaign official said they were well aware of the image based on the picture taken by Garcia, a temporary hire no longer with the AP, but never licensed it or used it officially. The Obama official asked not to be identified because no one was authorized anymore to speak on behalf of the campaign.

The image's fame did not end with the election.

It will be included this month at a Fairey exhibit at the Institute of Contemporary Art in Boston and a mixed-media stenciled collage version has been added to the permanent collection of the National Portrait Gallery in Washington.

"The continued use of the poster, regardless of whether it is for galleries or other distribution, is part of the discussion AP is having with Mr. Fairey's representative," Colford said.

A New York Times book on the election, just published by Penguin Group (USA), includes the image. A Vermont-based publisher, Chelsea Green, also used it — credited solely to Fairey_ as the cover for Robert Kuttner's "Obama's Challenge," an economic manifesto released in September. Chelsea Green president Margo Baldwin said that Fairey did not ask for money, only that the publisher make a donation to the National Endowment for the Arts.

"It's a wonderful piece of art, but I wish he had been more careful about the licensing of it," said Baldwin, who added that Chelsea Green gave $2,500 to the NEA.

Fairey also used the AP photograph for an image designed specially for the Obama inaugural committee, which charged anywhere from $100 for a poster to $500 for a poster signed by the artist.

Fairey has said that he first designed the image a year ago after he was encouraged by the Obama campaign to come up with some kind of artwork. Last spring, he showed a letter to The Washington Post that came from the candidate.

"Dear Shepard," the letter reads. "I would like to thank you for using your talent in support of my campaign. The political messages involved in your work have encouraged Americans to believe they can help change the status quo. Your images have a profound effect on people, whether seen in a gallery or on a stop sign."

At first, Obama's team just encouraged him to make an image, Fairey has said. But soon after he created it, a worker involved in the campaign asked if Fairey could make an image from a photo to which the campaign had rights.

"I donated an image to them, which they used. It was the one that said "Change" underneath it. And then later on I did another one that said "Vote" underneath it, that had Obama smiling," he said in a December 2008 interview with an underground photography Web site.

[vegimite on toast]

who cares

[LostYouth]

thats not biting
thats copyright infringment
i read that article

[FuckDaFakes]

Fuck the media !

[Kayone707]

ZOMG!!!!!1!!!!11 the first two posters are haters

[vegimite on toast]

who cares?

[Kayone707]

double post?

[vegimite on toast]

ya man

[Kayone707]

Feels Good man

[vegimite on toast]

totally

[JETPACK!!]

this guy isnt even a writer, never has been. a stencilin, wheat pastin art faggot with a tag.

plus his name his shepard fairey. fuckin basehead parents..

[stevefrench]

im stealing this comment from 12oz.

"theres actually something called fair use in transfer of medium, where you can legally make paintings/prints/stencils/whatever of other peoples photos... same law that andy warholl beat campbells soup with"

[Slushi]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/9/9b/CourageWolfObama.gif

Courage Wolf, anyone?

[computer rock]

this guy isnt even a writer, never has been. a stencilin, wheat pastin art faggot with a tag.

plus his name his shepard fairey. fuckin basehead parents..

Not all artist are writers and yes even tho his name is shepard fairey he's known as obey to other artist..I think u need to learn sum respect and sum history because before obey it was bansky who was a writer turned stenciler..n I'm from LA n we got mad love for obey.
Just cuz u dnt have the balls n skills to make huge obey giant wheat pastings n highly populated areas doesn't give u the right to b a hater

[B.S. POLICE]

i see where jet is coming from, obey isnt a real writer in our terms and to be honest with you i didnt like him for the same reason, his become the "posterboy" for graffiti taht he doesent do. BUT you have to respect other mediums and ideas, and his had the same issues with cops that any of us had, the dude deserves respect even if hes gone mainstream

[JETPACK!!]

Not all artist are writers and yes even tho his name is shepard fairey he's known as obey to other artist..I think u need to learn sum respect and sum history because before obey it was bansky who was a writer turned stenciler..n I'm from LA n we got mad love for obey.
Just cuz u dnt have the balls n skills to make huge obey giant wheat pastings n highly populated areas doesn't give u the right to b a hater

oh yeah, i forgot how much balls it takes to draw a poster or cut out a stencil in the safety of your own home. then invest 5 minutes into pastin it on a wall. get outta here...

and thanks for telling me what he used to write. the presidents campaign designer? the fuck is that? how can you call yourself a writer when you dont WRITE shit. drawing and writing are different things. a WRITER writes on walls. an "ARTIST" draws pictures and glues them to a wall

thats just my opinion. im tired of the amount of lousy obey and banksy inspired stencils i see in my city. you know how many little girls/ballons/osama bin ladens/bush's/soilders and other wack political garbage i see on a daily basis? enough to make me dislike the people who inspired them to do that garbage.

not hatin on banksy or obey, their doin their thing. my rants just to try an clear up the misconception of "writer" and "art fag who likes to vandilise"

[Slushi]

Originality is truely dead

[computer rock]

oh yeah, i forgot how much balls it takes to draw a poster or cut out a stencil in the safety of your own home. then invest 5 minutes into pastin it on a wall. get outta here...

and thanks for telling me what he used to write. the presidents campaign designer? the fuck is that? how can you call yourself a writer when you dont WRITE shit. drawing and writing are different things. a WRITER writes on walls. an "ARTIST" draws pictures and glues them to a wall

thats just my opinion. im tired of the amount of lousy obey and banksy inspired stencils i see in my city. you know how many little girls/ballons/osama bin ladens/bush's/soilders and other wack political garbage i see on a daily basis? enough to make me dislike the people who inspired them to do that garbage.

not hatin on banksy or obey, their doin their thing. my rants just to try an clear up the misconception of "writer" and "art fag who likes to vandilise"
So ur hating because he found a way to make money and provide for his family while still doding wat he loves to do?
Revok has a website,saber gotta website,rime does his stuff in art galleries,cope does pieces for money,and augor move from la and also started making money.
My point is that u can't stay a 16 year old badboy for ever.sooner or later ur gonna get 2 slow to out run,to old to climb and ur gonna need money to pay the rent.
And I guess u only see the comercial obey stuff cuz wat we see out here is on a whole diff level.
From the stickers everywhere to the wheat pastin on the side of the downtown skyscrapers.and obey has been arested like 13 times so he goes throw da same shit we go through
N look up MICROBO,D*FACE,and the KAMIKAZE CREW,and that's not talent.n if u do dat means ur no better then the ppl who dnt consider graff as real art.

[Slushi]

So ur hating because he found a way to make money and provide for his family while still doding wat he loves to do?
Revok has a website,saber gotta website,rime does his stuff in art galleries,cope does pieces for money,and augor move from la and also started making money.
My point is that u can't stay a 16 year old badboy for ever.sooner or later ur gonna get 2 slow to out run,to old to climb and ur gonna need money to pay the rent.
And I guess u only see the comercial obey stuff cuz wat we see out here is on a whole diff level.
From the stickers everywhere to the wheat pastin on the side of the downtown skyscrapers.and obey has been arested like 13 times so he goes throw da same shit we go through
N look up MICROBO,D*FACE,and the KAMIKAZE CREW,and that's not talent.n if u do dat means ur no better then the ppl who dnt consider graff as real art.
Are you reading the same thread?

[JETPACK!!]

your honestly trying to compare obey to msk and cope? get the fuck outta here, hahahaha.

read my post again, then yours.

[computer rock]

O and ur opinion doesn't matter cuz wen u apear in front of a judge no matter if u was writting,stencilin,wheat pastin its all considered vandalism to the city.

[whahappen?]

good maybe then hell stop making played out shitty stencils and acting like he's actually down with anything related to graffiti

[Jet]

shepard fairey has been doing this his whole carreer. this is actually not even close to how hard he bites shit. he literally cuts and pastes all his stuff:

http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htm


make art not photocopies

[JETPACK!!]

i dont give a fuck about the cities point of view. smashing windows and kicking mirrors off cars is vandilism too. would you call that graffiti?

good find jet

[computer rock]

your honestly trying to compare obey to msk and cope? get the fuck outta here, hahahaha.

read my post again, then yours.

I'm not tryna compare em even tho I did get off topic but wat I'm tryna say is y shud u care n talk shit abt obey for wanting to make money wen msk n cope doin the same thing.

[JETPACK!!]

holy fuck, what was your mom smoking when she was pregnant?

im done with this. you must be fresh off the boat an illiterate or some shit.

[Jet]

and another thing, obey doesn't do any, i mean ANY of his work in the street anymore, in boston before his big bullshit museum show a ton of obey work went up and 100% of it was done by street teams with permission and the whole 9 yards. I personally watched different groups of dudes put up posters in 3 different sections of the city in the same day.

homie won't do shit that doesn't end with him getting a fat check anymore

[B.S. POLICE]

gayyyyyyyyyy, i hope he reads this.


do work or go home

[-Last-]

like my n+gga nasty nesar would say
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9669/n6703305329969wn5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[kinglerxst]

I dont really give a shit about the subject but I just thought I should leave this here
http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htm
This proves that OBEY has never really created his own images

I understand he uses old propaganda in his art and that that is his style, but I dislike how he passes everything off as is own and never makes is own fuckin images (except for Andre)

Im not here to fight, just show evidence to let retards fight

[Capo Izi]

and another thing, obey doesn't do any, i mean ANY of his work in the street anymore, in boston before his big bullshit museum show a ton of obey work went up and 100% of it was done by street teams with permission and the whole 9 yards. I personally watched different groups of dudes put up posters in 3 different sections of the city in the same day.

homie won't do shit that doesn't end with him getting a fat check anymore

Actually he got arrested the night before Obama's Inaguration for wheatpastin in DC......so yeah, I'm not on anyone's side, just putting it out there. It was in the Boston Globe...big article about him and the Obama-Change poster thing.

[computer rock]

I dont really give a shit about the subject but I just thought I should leave this here
http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htm
This proves that OBEY has never really created his own images

I understand he uses old propaganda in his art and that that is his style, but I dislike how he passes everything off as is own and never makes is own fuckin images (except for Andre)

Im not here to fight, just show evidence to let retards fight
Damn...I guess its easier to talk shit wen ur on the computer then in person..I gotta finish my piece b4 it rains tomorrow
Peace..

[Speedy]

Jetpack I know what you're saying with him not actually writing. He does deserve a lot of credit though. He's probably the most up street artist in the U.S.. Even if a lot of it is through other people, he's still extremely accomplished. And still very talented even though he doesn't actually write. One thing that makes me like him a lot more is even though he's famous, he still destroys. It'd be so easy just to kick back and enjoy his riches. But he's still committed to the streets. And computer rock I agree with you but you're not going to get through to many people with fucking grammar like that. You could be the most intelligent person in this world and be completely ignored because it looks like you typed with your dick.

[Bazer]

this thread sucks... well, the posts in this thread suck.

[Black Flag]

I hate both people, shep and obamer.

But nice article though.

[bANshee]

im writing about this for english.

[SAR<---]

http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htm

[Stussy]

how about Shepard being on a USA commercial lol

http://www.usanetwork.com/characterapproved/honorees/fairey/video.html

the way i look at it... its not biting, its just how it is... i mean tons of street artists and artist take ordinary shit and change it up...
and in graphic design... you kinda need a picture to make a vector... so thats what he did

[GaZm13]

gayyyyyyyyyy, i hope he reads this.


do work or go home

Im sure Shepard Fairey has plenty to do than get on a forum with a bunch of 15 year old wanna be graff writers. Half of you guys don't even write. Just cuz you're on a graffiti forum doesn't make you a graffiti artist. I don't recall Shepard ever saying He was a graffiti "Painter". Street art is street art whether its painted, stenciled or shit into a little pile next to a Starbucks.
This does not apply to everyone on here. I know a lot of you are legitimate writers. The rest can Fuck off. Art is everywhere you look.

[RetroLikeWhoa13]

all i know about the man is that he is from my state.
i dont mind his work. sometimes i enjoy it.

[Terrible N]

this guy isnt even a writer, never has been. a stencilin, wheat pastin art faggot with a tag.

plus his name his shepard fairey. fuckin basehead parents..What he said.

[Lunchbox]

I dont have a thing against stencilers(I think what banksy does is badass to the 3rd degree) but when I read that article, I just lost all respect for Obey. Personally I already thought that clothing line sucked, but he copied all that art.....and doesnt even add any STYLE. I thought STYLE was pretty much what defined "good" graff from, "toy" graff. Dont say "Oh, hes a stencil dude, he doesnt 'do' style". Bull, Shit. Lots of stencilists have a personal style, this guy doesnt have any. Massive loss of respect for the guy here.

[Terrible N]

Speaking of Shepard Fairey's clothing line, the token gay kid at my school was wearing an Obey shirt the other day.

[LostYouth]

shepard fairey has been doing this his whole carreer. this is actually not even close to how hard he bites shit. he literally cuts and pastes all his stuff:

http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htm


make art not photocopies
dude i didnt even read this article that good
i just skimmed it
and i was amazed how blatant of a biter this guy is

[vegimite on toast]

haha from that article

"Spotting Mederos’ stolen poster image on the bombingscience.com website where Fairey’s clothing line is sold, Cushing wrote the outlet the following e-mail:


"Please be advised that the 'Cuban Rider' t-shirt you have listed for sale is a direct copy of a poster by Cuban artist Rene Mederos, and is an unauthorized violation of his work. I work closely with the Mederos estate and have represented them in several arrangements for use of his work. Given that your item is violating the intellectual property rights of another artist, you can do one of two things - either negotiate with Rene Mederos' estate for a fair royalty (assuming that they will grant it) or you can immediately stop production of this item and remove advertising from the public. Please let me know how you wish to proceed."

[Scino & Spank]

I dont understand where you get biting from? He uses photoshop n other tools to make posters. Thats what most posterboys do, isnt it?

[Scheme*119]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/9/9b/CourageWolfObama.gif

Courage Wolf, anyone?

that shit helped me beat depression again, lulz.

[Speedy]

A lot of those things he pretty much had to make direct copies of or they would have lost intended meaning. Like the big brother one for example. He wanted the theme to be big brother. If he would have just drawn up some random face, it would have been just some random face, NOT big brother. It would have been pointless.

[Lunchbox]

Yeah, but the point is he bites everything hes ever done. What would you think of a writer that got really famous and everyone thought he was awesome, then someone comes along and proves that everything he did to get famous and everything he has been doing he bit from someone elses style? I'd slash the guy.

[Slushi]

that shit helped me beat depression again, lulz.
LOL. It's pretty fucked up that this stupid meme actually makes people feel good about themselves.

[.HATESONE.]

I'm not tryna compare em even tho I did get off topic but wat I'm tryna say is y shud u care n talk shit abt obey for wanting to make money wen msk n cope doin the same thing.

the difference is....those people got up.they ACTUALLY write.posterboys arent writers.and what the fuck r you talking aobut the same risks? how long does a poster take to but up? not very long.id venture to say between 3 and 5 minutes.not only that but people are less likely to freak out on a poster than someone using paint.idk man all im saying is...hes a fag.thats it.obey hasnt contributed anything to graffiti,and the stuff hes given to art is all stolen anyways...also this thread is a failure and someone should close it...

[Scheme*119]

LOL. It's pretty fucked up that this stupid meme actually makes people feel good about themselves.

thats exactly what i say, but it really does help, it doesnt motivate me, that shit just makes me laugh

[pandemik]

oh yeah, i forgot how much balls it takes to draw a poster or cut out a stencil in the safety of your own home. then invest 5 minutes into pastin it on a wall. get outta here...

and thanks for telling me what he used to write. the presidents campaign designer? the fuck is that? how can you call yourself a writer when you dont WRITE shit. drawing and writing are different things. a WRITER writes on walls. an "ARTIST" draws pictures and glues them to a wall

thats just my opinion. im tired of the amount of lousy obey and banksy inspired stencils i see in my city. you know how many little girls/ballons/osama bin ladens/bush's/soilders and other wack political garbage i see on a daily basis? enough to make me dislike the people who inspired them to do that garbage.

not hatin on banksy or obey, their doin their thing. my rants just to try an clear up the misconception of "writer" and "art fag who likes to vandilise"

I agree to a certain extent, but their art is till subversive, and it is still a form or graff.

[TylerDurden]

fairey just got roped in beantown

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090208/ts_alt_afp/usobamaartcrime

[B.S. POLICE]

how are his charges a misdemeanor? graffiti in mass is a felony

[Scino & Spank]

Doesn't a throw-up only take 2-5 minutes...?

[TylerDurden]

Doesn't a throw-up only take 2-5 minutes...?

thats longer than it takes me to bust inside yer mom

[Scino & Spank]

two pump chump?

[B.S. POLICE]

i wish a throw up took me 5 mins..

[its all good till the cops come]

idk why everyones hating on him...sure its not graff...its a whole different game..but big deal..hes still putting his ass on the line to get his message out...u can pick him apart all u want...its fuckin immature..

[Jet]

how are his charges a misdemeanor? graffiti in mass is a felony

cause its a publicity stunt

homie got stopped on the way to the opening at the ica, trust me he wasn't arrested putting in work.

[Slushi]

When did publicity stunts become illegal?

[Lunchbox]

When you bite the shit out of whatever you'r publicizing :p

[NoCanControl]

didn't he bite tloko's something. or war42's somthing idk. i heard something from tko.

if you know. please post.

[Lunchbox]

I dont know if he bit from writers, he did bite a buttload of paintings and such

[wiserism]

and another thing, obey doesn't do any, i mean ANY of his work in the street anymore, in boston before his big bullshit museum show a ton of obey work went up and 100% of it was done by street teams with permission and the whole 9 yards. I personally watched different groups of dudes put up posters in 3 different sections of the city in the same day.

homie won't do shit that doesn't end with him getting a fat check anymore
dude deff did nd still does put in werk weatha u like it or not he did wat u cant n thas have every graff artist around kno yur name for fuckin up ppls shit
n btw if he dosent put in werk then y about a week ago he went to risd for 1 day n then went back to boston n kno that whole area is bombed with stickers n now there are wheat pastes also that are in high traffic areas...even sidebashed me on highway visible spots so dnt sit hea n yap at the mouth that he aint real or does his shit

[Vagrant]

this thread should be renamed "Writers VS. Wheatpasters"

http://www.stud.tu-ilmenau.de/~haku-in/pics/retarded.jpg

[B.S. POLICE]

dude deff did nd still does put in werk weatha u like it or not he did wat u cant n thas have every graff artist around kno yur name for fuckin up ppls shit
n btw if he dosent put in werk then y about a week ago he went to risd for 1 day n then went back to boston n kno that whole area is bombed with stickers n now there are wheat pastes also that are in high traffic areas...even sidebashed me on highway visible spots so dnt sit hea n yap at the mouth that he aint real or does his shityour english skills are god awful

[Speedy]

I second that. I'm going back 2 pages here and quoting myself. 4 evr1 dat type lyk dis, you could be the most intelligent person in this world and be completely ignored because it looks like you typed with your dick.

[LostYouth]

anyone else notice this big obey fad all of a sudden to???
you see like preppy little azn girls with a obey shit
it gives me the lols
i dont like this guy anymore

[Lunchbox]

Lol yeah, he has ad's on fucking ABC now...........fucking corpo pathetic fad bullsh*t....

Sorry bout that ^ I think I needed that out of my system :p

[Teez-EmM!!!]

anyone else notice this big obey fad all of a sudden to???
you see like preppy little azn girls with a obey shit
it gives me the lols
i dont like this guy anymore

not hating on obey, but this is too true

[Ume]

You guys talk shit about not only obey, but anyone else who becomes famous, why? isen't that what your trying to do by putting your names on walls? "free canvas so people can see my work!11", oh right, your all hardcore street bombers, your not in it for fame.
The guy's making money and getting recognized for it, wheat pasting is different then using spray paint so the way I see it, this whole biting thing isen't really a HUGE factor to it, he's using imagery most people can associate with.

From what I've seen, he has paid his dues(as you kids say) he didn't just bust out on the scene and get famous.
Again, if you complain that he got famous in this "game", then look at yourself and the reasons why you do it.

"Steven, I didn't sell out son. I bought in. Keep that in mind." Dad from SLC Punk!

[Speedy]

They're doing the same fucking thing with K'naan on MTV. I hate that shit. He used to rap about really deep shit. They better not turn him into a god damn puppet like everyone else.

[Cesk]

You guys talk shit about not only obey, but anyone else who becomes famous, why? isen't that what your trying to do by putting your names on walls? "free canvas so people can see my work!11", oh right, your all hardcore street bombers, your not in it for fame.
The guy's making money and getting recognized for it, wheat pasting is different then using spray paint so the way I see it, this whole biting thing isen't really a HUGE factor to it, he's using imagery most people can associate with.

From what I've seen, he has paid his dues(as you kids say) he didn't just bust out on the scene and get famous.
Again, if you complain that he got famous in this "game", then look at yourself and the reasons why you do it.

"Steven, I didn't sell out son. I bought in. Keep that in mind." Dad from SLC Punk!

(L)
Finally, thank you, after having lurked this thread for long enough I finally found a post that had any thought put into it.

People just think that he did the clothing line and sold his work and bam he's famous.
No......
Way before that he was doing a fuckload of work.

People are just hating because to them he's a sellout but we all know we'd do the same in his position.

Once graffiti becomes about money you can't really complain.

[Terrible N]

Speaking of Shepard Fairey's clothing line, the token gay kid at my school was wearing an Obey shirt the other day.


anyone else notice this big obey fad all of a sudden to???
you see like preppy little azn girls with a obey shit
it gives me the lols
i dont like this guy anymore

Told ya.

[Terrible N]

Once graffiti becomes about money you can't really complain.
Bullshit, yes I can, graffiti is made to be on the streets, not on some goddamn corporate company's t-shirt line. Do you really want what happened to skateboarding to happen to graff?

[B.S. POLICE]

wtf happened to skateboarding? you mean the kids out there that have been breaking limbs for god knows how long are finally getting paid the money they deserve? yeah real tragedy

[K91]

Bullshit, yes I can, graffiti is made to be on the streets, not on some goddamn corporate company's t-shirt line. Do you really want what happened to skateboarding to happen to graff?



FER REAL ARE YOU ON CRACK you know cocaine is one hell of a drug :)
you kno how many buisness opportunities skateboarding has opened up from boards to clothing lines to parks. u fucking out of you mind u street sidewalk lurking mother fucker man u think everyones out to get you oh corporate this and that and the other thing man step up this is the real world GO BIG OR GO HOME be somebody. ur the one that saying o it needs to stay in the streets ur wrong yea it would be nice but thats not where the worlds at money makes the world go around not the streets. shepard fairey made something out of himself him and his friend kicked back laughing his friend wanted to make a stencil fairey said how bout this and that ended up being obey common kids get with the program learn ur history and hes a graphic artist u use other images and ur own to pass a message like he said upto it wouldnt have ment anything if he would have drawn any face for big brother he did that one for a reason not just to bite the orginal man yinz haters fer real get off the dudes cock grow up and hope u kids make it in this world cuz it seems yinz haters cuz oh he didnt put in wrk yea he did he is one of the most credited street artist out there so buckle up u kids got a rude awakenin

[Cesk]

Bullshit, yes I can, graffiti is made to be on the streets, not on some goddamn corporate company's t-shirt line. Do you really want what happened to skateboarding to happen to graff?

Doesn't really fucking matter. People made money, that's how things work.

If I'm going to to be spending all my fucking life doing graffiti I at least want some fucking money.

I'm 110% sure that if someone wanted to buy a canvas piece of yours you'd sell it.

I don't care if everyone is making money off graff, I don't make money with my graff, I just lick balls at a graff shop and make decent money.

[BIGel]

once graffiti becomes about money you can't really complain.

literally everything i hate about graffiti and graffiti culture summed up in one sentence.

[Ume]

literally everything i hate about graffiti and graffiti culture summed up in one sentence.
I agree with this, but at the same time I have the agree with cecks.
I don't think you should do graffiti for the money because you might see some others making money with it. If you TRULY do love graffiti and do happen to be good at it, paid your dues and actually made money off it to support yourself, then I don't see the problem, if you do something you LOVE, then I see it as win win.

Look at people like Pablo Picasso, at first he wasn't accepted because his art was "different" then what the people at the time were doing, and now he's celebrated as one of the more known and famous painters of that time.

If you love it keep doing it and maybe others might catch on, but if not, don't change everything about yourself to make a buck.

[MiggityMAK]

so this mysteriously popped up in my area a couple days ago... sidebashed the homie grose...

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/bekonerr/NicksPictures065.jpg


idgaf what anyone says, thats GRAFF to me.

[LostYouth]

the big thing with me now is that he is a straight fake ass biter now
let him get his papa and blah blah, let him play that system
but hes wackkk

[MiggityMAK]

i know what you mean, but im pretty sure you havent sen the HALF of his shit, he doesnt copy EVERYTHIng he does, but for some, YES and most of them you can tell that hes using the image to send a message... heel use the image and change it about to make it mean something completely different... everyones got their opinion but i got respect for the guy.

[Slushi]

It doesn't matter. I don't like him, therefore he's a faggot

[SAID]

Who cares if he's considered a writer among the internet.

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/9431/dscn0228ir2.jpg

[Lunchbox]

Because the interwebs has many powazzzzzzzzz......... Just kidding :p

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Or am I?

[SAID]

Shut up

[skull-e]

Who cares, you're an artist regardless the medium you choose

[LostYouth]

yeah hes dope
a dope ass biter
half of his shit is stolen (at least from the website that was provided here) and that makes him unorginal
plus slushi doesnt like him therefore he is a faggot
i mean hes OK, but thats it for me

[SAID]

(L)

People just think that he did the clothing line and sold his work and bam he's famous.
No......
Way before that he was doing a fuckload of work.

People are just hating because to them he's a sellout but we all know we'd do the same in his position.

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[wiserism]

so this mysteriously popped up in my area a couple days ago... sidebashed the homie grose...

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo161/bekonerr/NicksPictures065.jpg


idgaf what anyone says, thats GRAFF to me.
better flick in mmy opinion...

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r162/wiser_tka/IMG00175.jpg

[fumes and shit]

pasting a poster to a wall isnt graffiti, once the rock rocks a burner , throwie , or even a fly scribble it will become graffiti, till then.... any idiot can take a picture and turn it into a poster/stencil on photoshop...not any idiot can rock a fresh piece in an illegal spot

[Cesk]

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[Syke1FTP]

Shut up

ey dont tell lunchbox to shut up....hes a homey
you shut up

[Cesk]

Uh ohhhhhhhhhh
some shits gonna go down!!!!!!!!!!!

[skull-e]

pasting a poster to a wall isnt graffiti, once the rock rocks a burner , throwie , or even a fly scribble it will become graffiti, till then.... any idiot can take a picture and turn it into a poster/stencil on photoshop...not any idiot can rock a fresh piece in an illegal spot

So you're saying that he hasn't taken any risks to get up? sketchy ledges? street spots?


ona a lighter note, Do wheatpastes cost more to take down than paint? I mean, they use wheat paste and shit, and that shits hardcore

[Bink1]

jeez ppl who hates street artists are gay! street art makes the walls look fkin cool all the wheatpastes and slaps fuck yeah.

oh fuck this.

[Terrible N]

Doesn't really fucking matter. People made money, that's how things work.

If I'm going to to be spending all my fucking life doing graffiti I at least want some fucking money.

I'm 110% sure that if someone wanted to buy a canvas piece of yours you'd sell it.

I don't care if everyone is making money off graff, I don't make money with my graff, I just lick balls at a graff shop and make decent money. If you really liked graff the only reason you would do it is for the sake of doing it, cause its a passion. If you do shit for money its an occcupation. I'm pretty sure vandalism isn't an occupation.

[Bink1]

If you really liked graff the only reason you would do it is for the sake of doing it, cause its a passion. If you do shit for money its an occcupation. I'm pretty sure vandalism isn't an occupation.

making money with graff is pretty pussy, u can do pieces for ppl who want their rooms to have a graff piece in or anything else, but i dont think u should take money for work. (they should get u cans or sumtin tho. :D)

[NoCanControl]

http://www.art-for-a-change.com/Obey/index.htm

yes yes. we all know now. but idgaf. everyone knows thats legit.

BAK TO him biteing tko or something of the matter. i need sauce.

[soath]

just saw the colbert report about this, fucking hilarious. i have always used the 75% rule when it comes to graphic design, if you change the OG at least 75% it's not a bite. he's never claimed to be a writer recently either. wot I love it the obey pentagrams that are imbedded in the background of the original that the barack campaign bought, also the balls it took the campaign to buy from a notorious vandal.

[Cesk]

If you really liked graff the only reason you would do it is for the sake of doing it, cause its a passion. If you do shit for money its an occcupation. I'm pretty sure vandalism isn't an occupation.

It sure as fuck is an occupation, AMAZING example THE PERSON THIS FUCKING THREAD IS ABOUT.

If I'm going to dedicate myself to graff I atleast want to make enough money to eat.

[Terrible N]

You are an idiot. Shepard Fairey isn't graff, and he is a bitchy sellout/biter. The whole point of graff is to be illegal and grimy, not clean and made for the public's eye. Know what, I can tell you're one of those sellout guys that's never really wanted to do actual graffiti. So I'll just say this: your a fucking idiot that doesn't know dick about graff.

[SAID]

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I used your paragraph cause it was the perfect response to the post before mine.
Well fuckin said by the way.


ey dont tell lunchbox to shut up....hes a homey
you shut up
You sound like your 5, stop embarrassing yourself.


You are an idiot. Shepard Fairey isn't graff, and he is a bitchy sellout/biter. The whole point of graff is to be illegal and grimy, not clean and made for the public's eye. Know what, I can tell you're one of those sellout guys that's never really wanted to do actual graffiti. So I'll just say this: your a fucking idiot that doesn't know dick about graff.
Quit fuckin dissing, Cesk`s just giving his opinion for fucks sake.
And OMG YEAAAHH, HE`S A SELLOUT! -_-
He`s paid his dues, and put in work.

[Lunchbox]

He hasnt done half the shit other writers have done, there are guys out there doing 3 hours on one piece for mad ups, and he spends maybe an hour at the MOST on his stencils and wheatpastes. Saying he's as dedicated or has put in as much work as any decent piecer is just bullshit.

[SAID]

Have you ever done wheatpaste?

[Lunchbox]

Yep, but forget it this thread is fail anyways XD

[Cesk]

You are an idiot. Shepard Fairey isn't graff, and he is a bitchy sellout/biter. The whole point of graff is to be illegal and grimy, not clean and made for the public's eye. Know what, I can tell you're one of those sellout guys that's never really wanted to do actual graffiti. So I'll just say this: your a fucking idiot that doesn't know dick about graff.

The whole point of graffiti isnt illegal and grimy dipshit, maybe yours sure, so speak for yourself. Learn about your own culture before you comment on it defending something that you don't even know about.

Listen dick you don't know me so don't talk about me kid. For starters if I was one of those sellouts I wouldn't be as fucking broke as I currently am, like I said, the only time i make money off graff is working for a graff shop.

Just cause people make money for something they obviously enjoy doing doesn't make them a sellout, usually the people who call them sellouts are usually broke and jealous motherfuckers.

Don't fucking talk about me if you don't know shit, first call out.


I used your paragraph cause it was the perfect response to the post before mine.
Well fuckin said by the way.
That came to my mind lol, thanks brawh :]


He hasnt done half the shit other writers have done, there are guys out there doing 3 hours on one piece for mad ups, and he spends maybe an hour at the MOST on his stencils and wheatpastes. Saying he's as dedicated or has put in as much work as any decent piecer is just bullshit.

LOL have you ever actually done street art (wheatpate,posters etc etc)
Dude,
An hour at the most on his stencils is actually impossible. Looking at his stencils it should take 2.5 hours minimum.
And his multi layers seem impossible to a common stencil artist.
Hows you actually learn what you're talking about before you start yapping your fucking mouth.

You don't know how much work Faireys put into what he's done, he's been in the game for longer that you've been born.

Seriously, learn about what you're talking about before you come here bitching.

[Ume]

Have you ever done wheatpaste?
That, or even trying to cut a huge stencil? that shit takes time trying to get it looking right, and when something rips enough that you have to start over again, it sucks.


making money with graff is pretty pussy, u can do pieces for ppl who want their rooms to have a graff piece in or anything else, but i dont think u should take money for work. (they should get u cans or sumtin tho. :D)
Just wait till later on in life when you have bills to pay and a family to support, if your making money doing something you love, then it's better then a job. Keep living your super duper graffiti bomber lifestyle and get all those fines and criminal records so later on in life you can still be bombing and supporting yourself on that $5 an hour job at Mcdonalds instead of ONLY focusing on your graffiti career WHILE making money from it.

I used to think like some of you, but then I grew up and figured out I'd rather get paid doing something I love.

[Cesk]

It makes me happy that there are still people who still use their brains on these forums.

[Black Flag]

Yeah feel free to burn shep, cause the guy is just a faggot. But leave pasters out of this lol.

[Terrible N]

It makes me happy that there are still people who still use their brains on these forums.
Your a tool, graffiti IS supposed to be illegal, that's what makes graffiti what it is. You need to wake the fuck up.

[SAID]

You need to shut the fuck up.

[Terrible N]

How can you type with 12 dicks in each hand?

[Cesk]

Your a tool, graffiti IS supposed to be illegal, that's what makes graffiti what it is. You need to wake the fuck up.

No it's not.
So every legal mural is just not graff?
Thanks for telling me :3


How can you type with 12 dicks in each hand?

As easily as you talk with 8 dicks in your mouth.

[Terrible N]

So every legal mural is just not graff?

Not particularly, legal walls are like the bastard child of vandalism and art.

[Cesk]

Not particularly, legal walls are like the bastard child of vandalism and art.

No they fucking aren't you dipshit.
Okay.
Just stop.
Just.
Shut up.
Your little knowledge just makes want to hurl.

[Terrible N]

Yea, I guess they are a part of graffiti, but thats just the fucking icing.

[Cesk]

Yea, I guess they are a part of graffiti, but thats just the fucking icing.

Your stupidity just doesn't ever give up!

I think you're just complaining cause you cant piece and all your work looks like shit.

[Terrible N]

I'm complaining cause I can piece? Your a ho, man, I just agreed with you little bitch. Graffiti is made to be illegal, if you piece illegally, which some people do, then you have nothing to worry abou, but hos like Daim and all those "artist" can go fuck themselves.

[GraffitiZoo]

you two are both retarted please kill yourselves

[Cesk]

I'm complaining cause I can piece? Your a ho, man, I just agreed with you little bitch. Graffiti is made to be illegal, if you piece illegally, which some people do, then you have nothing to worry abou, but hos like Daim and all those "artist" can go fuck themselves.

Kay I typod you just made a whole argument based on a typo, I hope you feel proud :)

So basically every real legal piecer can fuck themselves?
Wow.
Learn about graff culture before you come here talking shit.


you two are both retarted please kill yourselves

Noone asked you.... wait.... who the fuck are you... like your nothing to these forums so your opinion is just as important as someone with 1 post.

[Batman_Onest]

Edit: your post count doesn't make your opinion any more or less valid; the validity of your opinion makes your opinion more or less valid.

[Cesk]

this thread sucks... well, the posts in this thread suck.

Kayone707?

[Batman_Onest]

No, the other mod with the giant post count.

[Cesk]

No, the other mod with the giant post count.

1nOnly Baze?

<3

[Batman_Onest]

The one with the biggest post count.

[Cesk]

The one with the biggest post count.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8949/1231347461235qj5.jpg

[GraffitiZoo]

excuse me for not having a thousand+ posts...but that dosent change the fact you two are morons

[Cesk]

excuse me for not having a thousand+ posts...but that dosent change the fact you two are morons

Once again you're a nobody, so that relates to your opinion.

[GraffitiZoo]

your right im nobody on bombingscience...maybe im the one who should kill my self. or celebrate

[Cesk]

your right im nobody on bombingscience...maybe im the one who should kill my self. or celebrate

No just shut the fuck up and mind your own business....

[Ume]

Yea, I guess they are a part of graffiti, but thats just the fucking icing.
See, they are part of it, so the people saying legal pieces aren't graffiti are just those hardcore bombers, without learning graffiti illegally you won't be doing legal pieces for free or getting paid, it's the big productions that the average joe likes to see, and if their willing to shell out cash for it, I'd jump at the oppertunnity, you can call me a sellout for that if you want to, but I have to think of my economic status before hand. I could have an illegal peice at the spot for awhile, but eventually it'll get buffed, or I can grab the cash, do something nice without having to worry about getting busted and not have to worry about it later if someone goes over it, yes sometimes it's lame, and illegal pieces appeal to me more knowing the situtation you had while painting it, but if it's a choice between starving just so I can be a "hardcore" bomber, I'll choose to eat.

According to the law defacing any public surface is considered graffiti, so stencils, posters, stickers, etc, are all a part of the "graffiti family" if their done illegally, if it's not illegal, it's graffiti inspired art, but still part of the whole graffiti scene.

And Cesk, you don't have to freak out at people if they don't have the same opinion.

[LostYouth]

the only good post in the last couple pages belongs to you ume

[GraffitiZoo]

No just shut the fuck up and mind your own business....

suck mi balls

[Cesk]

suck mi balls

that was clever :]

[Lunchbox]

Haha, this is like a beef battle between regular toys, and stencil toys XD

Jk,

I think everyone needs to kindly shut the fuck up, because whether or not he has good stencils is not what the thread is about. Point is, hes a biter, and he may make decent stencils and posters, but the point is he stole a lot of his commercial ideas. I dont know about you, Anonymous Users of BS, but that is a load of bullshit in my eyes.

[.HATESONE.]

it's the big productions that the average joe likes to see, and if their willing to shell out cash for it, I'd jump at the oppertunnity,

i agree with you there.money makes the world go round...

my opinion on obey is.....he isnt a writer.and i personally dont care for his stencils/posters either.not my taste.

[SAID]

Just because it's not your taste, that doesn't make him a writer?
Ignorant.

[GraffitiZoo]

that was clever :]

I know

[Ume]

i agree with you there.money makes the world go round...

my opinion on obey is.....he isnt a writer.and i personally dont care for his stencils/posters either.not my taste.

If you were being sarcastic about agreeing with me, that's fine with me, I'm not going to live off food stamps. I've been poor and still am somewhat poor, and I can tell you, being poor doesn't buy happiness.

[LostYouth]

i just saw this guy on USA while watching monk on a commerical
he kinda pissed me off for some reason, so i still consider this guy lame
and plus slushi doesnt like him,
so therefor he is a faggot

[SAID]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PaHcZUHI00
hahahahaaaaa
I kid man.

[Cesk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PaHcZUHI00
hahahahaaaaa
I kid man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rai9SiBRv50&feature=related
IM NOT KID
>8(

[Terrible N]

So basically every real legal piecer can fuck themselves? If your talking about Daim, then yes. But, if somebody still gets up illegally, and has an extensive bombing career, then no.

[.HATESONE.]

Just because it's not your taste, that doesn't make him a writer?
Ignorant.

no my taste has nothing to do with it.i dont consider him a writer becuasse i dont consider stenciling and posters as writing.its not the same thing to me its a different world....thats just my opinion though.you can take it or leave it i dont really care.


If you were being sarcastic about agreeing with me, that's fine with me, I'm not going to live off food stamps. I've been poor and still am somewhat poor, and I can tell you, being poor doesn't buy happiness.

que? i was agreeing with you i dont see where your coming up with sarcasm...i mean being poor sucks i know ive been there.i dont have a problem with people making money off there work to an extent unless they become a whore about it like some cats...whatever tho.

[sallybsk]

Im sure Shepard Fairey has plenty to do than get on a forum with a bunch of 15 year old wanna be graff writers. Half of you guys don't even write. Just cuz you're on a graffiti forum doesn't make you a graffiti artist. I don't recall Shepard ever saying He was a graffiti "Painter". Street art is street art whether its painted, stenciled or shit into a little pile next to a Starbucks.
This does not apply to everyone on here. I know a lot of you are legitimate writers. The rest can Fuck off. Art is everywhere you look.

YEAAA. This man speaks the truth, he can call himself a street artist, good for him. He should know his roots in graffiti. But if I ever hear someone or himself call him a "graffiti artist" then he can go take two shits. That's what I don't like about the news reporting on shit like this... sure these street artists have some representation of graffiti(key word being SOME)... but not for your local scene, not for the kids who bomb everynight, not for most writers.

[medacog1]

wanted to bring this thread back!...because it ruled

[Baron]

It died months before you joined.

[medacog1]

O man sarcasm lol