Screen Printing/Silk-Screen Printing

[Cesk]

This is the thread where you shall discuss anything screen-print/silk-screen related.

Enjoy!

How To Screen Print.

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First you cover up any part of the screen you don't want printed with tape and cardboard, this will make clean up easier.

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I recommend you get some acetate and tape one side (the oposite side of the part of the screen where you're printing on) later on you'll see why.

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Also, if you're a cheap mofo like me and cannot afford adhesive spray just tape a piece of tape sticky side up so that can hold your sticker.

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So now with a piece of cardboard or a pencil mix your ink and apply it on top of your design and not directly.

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Now with very little pressure scoop the ink across your image, make sure most of it is covered.

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Now the way to get a clean print is to use the edge of the squeege to press down and not with the bottom of the squeege, with the bottom you'll get a sloppy print and with the edge you can carry all the ink and quickly move it back to where you first applied the ink.

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I printed on the acetate so that it will help me center my sticker into where the screen is going to be printing. So before you print eye-center your sticker and then put the acetate on top and make sure it's in place.

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Now start printing.

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Usually prints take 3-5 minutes to dry on paper or vinyl.

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When your done with a piece of thick paper (usually bussines cards work swell) take out all the ink left on the screen and put it back on your ink bottle.

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Now with the tape and cardboard method you just take that out and leave it to dry so that you can use it on your next print. And now thatll make cleaning a lot easier.

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To clean up just get some vinyl solvent and paper towels, wet a block of paper towel with your solvent and wash around the left over ink until most of it is gone. Make sure the top is clean then there should be a bit at the bottom of the screen that you can clean up with another block of paper towel with solvent and apply a bit of pressure to get the ink off. After that get some piece of cloth (a sock in the picture haha) and wash off more left over ink until its done and then you can just wash it with water to get the solvent off.

[Werse]

Thanks youuuu.
Btw empty your pms so I can send you my address.

[NouveauP]

I just printed my first shirt today. New jobs rule.

[peacebomb]

Thanks so much for making this Cesk! I just got into it. So much fun wayyyy better then printing your shit.

[zenne]

lol come on mods. i tried making this thread like a week ago and it never got approved >.<

while we're on the first page, can someone post some guides or tips or something?

[TESTER]

http://www.silkscreeningsupplies.com/site/799934/page/513584

watch these video's basic how to do

[tha wite rabbit]

just finnd my first silkscreen print today ill have flics 2morrow, its easy as hell just time consuming

[wired_615]

i never heard of this before? what is it

[Chocolate Icing]

Wired use Google.

What are other ways to wash out a screen after using it without using emulsion remover?
How long should it take to burn a screen with direct sunlight?
Is it easy to apply emulsion with a squeege? Or is it really hard unless you have an emulsion spreader thing?
How longish does a bottle of ink last sticker wise?
Do you apply the emulsion to both sides of the screen?

Anybody that can help me out here, thanks :D

[Werse]

Bleach and water 1:1
Dont know
No get a scoop coater.
Not sure, but if your not on vinyl use arcylic paint.
emulsion only goes on the back.

[Cesk]

Wired use Google.

What are other ways to wash out a screen after using it without using emulsion remover?
How long should it take to burn a screen with direct sunlight?
Is it easy to apply emulsion with a squeege? Or is it really hard unless you have an emulsion spreader thing?
How longish does a bottle of ink last sticker wise?
Do you apply the emulsion to both sides of the screen?

Anybody that can help me out here, thanks :D

1) -
2)Give it 45 minutes to an hour.
3) should be easy just try to apply the same amount of pressure on the whole spread. I would recommend you make a cheap spreader with some cardboard or bristol board.
4)All depends, but tbqh like a quarter of ink should like last you 400-500 sticks if its a simple char. Usually bright ink wastes less. If you run low you can use some vinyl solvent and put some in your ink bottle shake it around and youll get like 30 or 40 more slaps depending on how much you add.
5)One side, the bottom and the top is optional, but if you do it on the top chances are it might come off over time with the squeege pressure.

(:

[Cesk]

BTW:
If my father can get me some adhessive paper during the week I'll post a how-to print tutorial with pics and everything soon.

[skull-e]

beautiful, thank you

[zenne]

BTW:
If my father can get me some adhessive paper during the week I'll post a how-to print tutorial with pics and everything soon.

thatd be great. online tutorials are too vague.

[Lady LSD]

screen and silk is it like the Andy Warhol method?

didnt understand, its like you paint something then you burn something like a drawing on it?

[xBOTOMx]

i have a screenprinting business

http://www.myspace.com/disgrafia

Some of my works here (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=350738578&albumId=772606)

If someone need tips ... PM

[Germz Yo]

thanks for starting this cesk!!
props to the silk screening wizard :D

[Chocolate Icing]

Thanks for answering my questions! :)

[JayAyDubZed]

I do this in art class haha.
I'm doin a graff mural with silk screen, dry point etching and wood etching and lithograph. Ima post it up here when I'm done.

["Mafi"]

i have a screenprinting business

http://www.myspace.com/disgrafia

Some of my works here (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=350738578&albumId=772606)

If someone need tips ... PM
Your stuff is ridiculous.............ly awesome
Haha I dig it a lot.

[OctoVenom]

how to remove the screen filter

[Cesk]

how to remove the screen filter

Scrub the side with the screen filler with paint thinner with a cloth or something.

[ReKoNe~!]

im gonna go get some screen printing shit to make some shirts today, also.. can you make hats? hha

[OctoVenom]

Scrub the side with the screen filler with paint thinner with a cloth or something.
ok thanks i try that ok

[Vagrant]

i picked up some supplies at hobblelobble yesterday.
i'm going the route of "the cheaper the better" and using drawing fluid and screen filler, not photo emulsion.
using drawing fluid won't give you as good a print as photo emulsion, but i don't really care. i like dirty grimey prints anyways.

i'll take some pictures and post a step-by-step as i make my first screen

[Cesk]

Noice.

Good luck vagrant.

I'm expecting your pack with a boner.

:D

[H3TT1NG3R]

could i use homemade ink if i really wanted to? like whats so special about screen printing ink?

[zenne]

im wondering if i can use acrylic/oil paint...

[H3TT1NG3R]

yea same, because it would clearly flow through i'd think

[peacebomb]

The normal ink you buy in the tubs is acrlyic based.....

[zenne]

hah, pimp. im loaded with acrylic, im setting up a screen print thing this summer in that case.

where do i get the screen and what mesh size should i be for oil/acrylic?

[Cesk]

could i use homemade ink if i really wanted to? like whats so special about screen printing ink?

Just make sure it's fairly thick. Thing is screen printing ink is made so that it wont like clug the screen.

Oil based acrylics should work.

Just remember if the ink is too thin you'll just make a big mess and youll get bad prints.

[zenne]

no i mean like oil paint, i dont think its acrylic based... and how does it stand in the weather(acrylic and oil...)?

[Proper]

Cesk: I'm going to merge the original post with the post of the tutorial.
Edit: I cannot merge the post at this moment. The action will be performed later.

[xBOTOMx]

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/66/l_225c3511c7074f02867d8b6dc31ae3b9.jpg

CRUDOS !

[explosivo_420]

Another idea, aside from how to print and such. I went to school for this for sometime, although theres no jobs, or openings. Printing is a dying art. What I did, and you can try....

If you know of a company that could use t-shirts/uniforms/apparel. Take some time to come up with a design they'll like. If its a company and uniforms, you'll be in luck with simplicity. Make a sample, show it to them. When someone has product in their hand, they're more likely to buy it than just telling them what you can do.

When I had access to machines and all the materials for practically free (One low class fee) I did all sorts of random shit for grades, and ended up supplying 3 stores with uniforms, and an assload of friends and girls with homemade gear. Great way to make some money.

[fnt]

faric ink is good, you have to heat seal it, but it's pretty much just plastic.

[zenne]

thanks proper :]

[zenne]

cesk your tutorial is confusing... how do you hold the design in the screen... like theres no bridges or nothing to hold all the triangles, so wtf is going on here...

[OctoVenom]

he used photo emulsion then place it in the sun or under a really bright light bulb

[Werse]

Zenne what are you going to screen print. You cant even draw a sticker.

[zenne]

how bout, fuck off and mind your own business. and as far as i can see, neither can you, so get off your high horse cause your not as good as you think you are.

[Werse]

Wait... what?
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv82/phyzik1/Photo47.jpg

[OctoVenom]

hahahaha shit that wack as fuck sorry bro but that is lame.
can i get banned for this comment?

[Werse]

No but zenne should get banned for drawing that.
No beef though.

[OctoVenom]

here what i did my first prints hope you like them
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn61/cyber_kaos/SDC10295.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn61/cyber_kaos/SDC10299.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn61/cyber_kaos/SDC10301.jpg

[zenne]

ok, i was bored as shit, and i even said that was shit, read the comment i made about it. i picked up a pen and started writing. dude. you made shitty pandas that consisted of a bunch of circles. your soo pro dude, please, teach me everything.

and because i drew some gay shit like that doesnt mean you have to go digging up old shit from the past like youve been doing every time somebody attacks your shitty stickers.

for the last time, fuck you.

[Werse]

I will give you a tip.

consisted of a bunch of circles.
Simplicity. You don't have to get all pissy I just want to know what your gonna screen for stickers.

[zenne]

simplicity=toy thread. we welcome you. wait... no, no we dont. just fuck off.

[Werse]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Foolish.

[zenne]

thats the best come back you can come up with? thats cute. no boyfriends from the sticker thread to help you? pathetic.

[Werse]

No, thats topped it off for me man, get make a book and some more racking vids.

[zenne]

aha, look little bitch, this isnt some little playtime bullshit for me.this is a career. im sorry you dont have any plans for your future, but dont talk down on me like your actually gonna be somebody in life just because im trying to be.

/argument.

[zenne]

here what i did my first prints hope you like them
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn61/cyber_kaos/SDC10295.jpg


and bitch, dont come at me with that shit, cause thats trash too.

[Werse]

Oh you mean me working 40 hours a week at a print shot at 16 years old, and training to become a full time firefighter for the past two years. Looks like i'm destined for the streets eh?

[zenne]

hey, you can do what you want, thats fine by me. but dont expect me to respect somebody who puts another person down for trying to get some work done in the world.

[Werse]

Just don't call your art a career then try to tell me I'll go nowhere in life.

[Cesk]

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK





IM THE GAY ONE HERE AND I DONT SNAP THAT MUCH


BOTH OF YOU

STFU

WERSE ENJOYS WHAT HE DOES KEEP ON DOING IT BRO

ZENNE ENJOYS WHAT HE DOES KEEP ON DOING IT TOO

BOTH ARENT THE GREATEST

BUT DEFF NOT THE WORST.

-

@ Octo Venom


Im glad you used the sticky side up tecnique

(H)

[zenne]

cesk, thats one thing i didnt have to know about you, bro. lol.
werse, if your saying my art career is going no where, then you need to pull your head out of your ass. im new to graff, but ive been drawing my whole life, all day, every day. art is a spectrum not limited to only graffiti, remember that.

cesk, where the fuck can i find photo emulsion (not online)?

[birdshit]

hey ive been doin stickers for years, hand drawn ones, and am seriously interested in making massive amounts because ive got access to alot of quality vinyl, so
is there a difference between silkscreening and screenprinting?

and ive googled it but cant find a basic fucking tutorial.

anyways, any help would be greatly appreciated?

[OctoVenom]

and bitch, dont come at me with that shit, cause thats trash too.
Zenne: STFU putt work in then you might get respect from other. Dont post shitty sticker and try to say my life is graffiti and i being doing drawing my whole life!!! ***** your just a horny teen that's not your whole life. :) NO BEEF K:D

[zenne]

i never said graffiti was my life, are you retarded? i just said that i just got into graffiti you fucking faggot. you dont know me, i have been drawing my whole life, this shit is different. wow seriously, some of the people on this site just need a mental check...

and another thing, dont talk to me about shitty stickers, because i seriously lol'd when you posted that garbage and said your better than me.

[OctoVenom]

i never said graffiti was my life, are you retarded? i just said that i just got into graffiti you fucking faggot. you dont know me, i have been drawing my whole life, this shit is different. wow seriously, some of the people on this site just need a mental check...

and another thing, dont talk to me about shitty stickers, because i seriously lol'd when you posted that garbage and said your better than me.
n1gga where in my post said im better than you huh like i said post up or shut the fuck up. mental check wow calm ur 14 year old ass.

POST FLICK NOW!!!! OF YOUR "DRAWINGS" THAT YOU BEIGN DOING "YOUR WHOLE LIFE"

cesk:sorry for blowing your thread man n1gga like these piss me off real quick

[zenne]

hahahaha shit that wack as fuck sorry bro but that is lame.
can i get banned for this comment?

=you talking like your better than me.
+ im 16, and ill bet im older than you.
and dumbass, that would be thousands of pics you dumb fuck.

ON WITH THE FUCKING SCREEN PRINTING.

[Proper]

thanks proper :]

You're welcome.

[El Chupacabre]

i never said graffiti was my life, are you retarded? i just said that i just got into graffiti you fucking faggot. you dont know me, i have been drawing my whole life, this shit is different. wow seriously, some of the people on this site just need a mental check...

and another thing, dont talk to me about shitty stickers, because i seriously lol'd when you posted that garbage and said your better than me.

You sir, are a huge faggot.

[zenne]

eat a dick, pussy.

[birdshit]

your both ruining this thread noone cares about ur jibber jabber

do you hear me, NO ONE so shut up.

[zenne]

your both ruining this thread noone cares about ur jibber jabber

do you hear me, NO ONE so shut up.

bitch who the fuck do you think you are? you werent around when the thread was good, so YOU shut the fuck up. the thread is dead anyway, this is like the underground beef thread. so fuck you!

[skull-e]

stop retaliating witha new post everytime someone pokes fun at you, all it does it make you look like an insecure newfag.

on that note, pm me for stikur business.


zenne that is

[skull-e]

Does anyone who knows what their doing when it comes to this stuff have msn?

edit* sorry for the double post

[peacebomb]

I know what im doin but i only gotz ta AIMZ

[Werse]

Anyone have tips on printing with thinner lines, cause im worried about the 'Onion' in the cubes...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3371/3647610168_9c09b6d7d6_b.jpg

[Cesk]

Does anyone who knows what their doing when it comes to this stuff have msn?

edit* sorry for the double post

Nullox@live.com


Anyone have tips on printing with thinner lines, cause im worried about the 'Onion' in the cubes...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3371/3647610168_9c09b6d7d6_b.jpg

I don't see what can go wrong..

Should show up on emulsion just fix the fuzzy part of the onion...

[Werse]

Yeah I got rid of that part all together

[zenne]

werse, like i stated in the sticker thread, you should put more of the smaller cubes on the page. you could probably fit 3 or 4 more on there. save some paper.

[Werse]

Im making a screen out of that, then I can fit as many as I need on the vinyl.
I want room to work so its not all crowded.

[H3TT1NG3R]

i dont have acetate paper, so would it be alright if i just did my design on glass, and used that? i'd do it on the bottom side so that theres no liek shadow, but that will wokr right?

and for the photo emulsion, it says after i sensitize it, it will only survive for like 4 months if i refridgerate it? wtf? can i sensitize liek haf or no?
cuz i gotta mix water with the sensitizer to make that work, but would that stay good it i keep half the sensitizer already sensitized?

[H3TT1NG3R]

heres my design, it has 3 layers, the middle one goes fist, for the color, then the top outlines, then the bottom forcefield and type
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/4554/arrowdesign.jpg (http://img194.imageshack.us/i/arrowdesign.jpg/)

[fnt]

I feel like if after mixing the sensitizer with water in the little bottle, you poured it out and only used half with half of the emulsion it would work, but I've never tried it. Sorry I can't be of more help.

Acetate is the same as overheads they have it at any office supply store, but if you really don't want to use it, a piece of glass should work fine. You just need to think about how you're trying to block the light from hitting the emulsion.

Also I don't know if you've looked into using drawing fluid and screen filler, but thats a simpler way to make a screen.

[H3TT1NG3R]

yea ive been using the filler, but you cant get crisp[ lines well.

i got some window cling shit, thats clear and you can print on so ima use that.

[$IN30NE]

hey so i wanna get into screen printing and all but i dont know where to get the right equipment..
theres a beginer screen printing kit at michaels but it costs 250 dollars..and im definitely not buying that
so could anyone help me out with where to get some equipment?

[YOLK01]

Make it your self its not that hard. The most expensive thing is the emolsion.

[zenne]

dude, you could probably dumpster dive for everything you need cept emulsion and paint. just get some cardboard and shit, and get a screen and some duct tape, and your all set.

[$IN30NE]

alright coool,,thats pretty much what i wanted to know cause there is no way i was gonna spend a whole bunch of money on this..
im gonna do some research on how to make a homemade one..
but could one of you guys explain how to make one?

[rawr]

dude, you could probably dumpster dive for everything you need cept emulsion and paint. just get some cardboard and shit, and get a screen and some duct tape, and your all set.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read. O_O

@Guy above me,
Buy the shit, trust me, unless you have proper screen print mesh, your homemade screen will fail.

If you want to start off, start with bought stuff and as you move on do home made shit.

[H3TT1NG3R]

yea ur not gunan find a screen in any dumpster, dont buy that kit heel no, but just go and buy a sceen for liek 10-20$, and then buy a squeegee and some ink for like 10-20$, and then some emulsion stuff or some screen filler

[$IN30NE]

alright cool..im almost positive they sell the screen and squeegee seperately at the michaels i go to so ill try to buy them
thanks for the help

[m.ziggy]

i have been using stencils instead of emulsion just cause i dont know how to use emulsion. anyone have tips on it or information on it?

[H3TT1NG3R]

its easy.
just buy the emulsion, teh sensitizer

then just spread the emulsion thinly on both sides, let it dry (do all of this in a dark place)

then once its dry, get some transparency paper, and draw ur image or print it on there

then put the transparency paper ontop of the screen, and put it under a light bulb for a certain amount of time(look up thw times online)

[toxus]

is there any spray i can use?

[Roo]

Hey guys,

I know I'm new to the forum and all that but I've got 5 years experiance doing printmaking, this serigraphy thing isn't that bad to start if your on a budget but it really does come down to if your serious, pay the money and go for the big stuff.

Making a screen out of framing wood from an art supply store, then stapling silk screen tight on the one side makes the easiest frame I find.
The problem with a screen like this is ink will leak under the sides if you didnt seal them off. Its not that bad a problem though as long as your image is smaller then the screen.

Acetate is very helpful for lining layers of a pic up. Mylar also works and if your really desperate, pretty much anything see thru and fairly solid works.

If you only have one layer to print and want every print after that to be in the same place just tape around the outside corners of your sticker and then print, remove the sticker off and line the new one up within the tape. Simple and no messing around with acetate. :)

I can go into more detail on things if you want me to, I also will try to get pics of my tags up in here as soon as I can actually get a camera :S

[tuximpcli]

The other were full of bullshit talking. The first page has all the info you need, keep it that way. Fill this thread up with flicks, if you love wheatpaste so much, you should show us your pastes, not just your info. Any pointless talking will be deleted, if you have something you would like to share, we'll put it on the first page.
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[FrEEk_nine-o-fizzle]

got me some questions. what do i use to print onto vinyl?
i dont use photo emultion. been taping acetate to the bottom of my screens. problem is every time i try and print, the paint (acrylic) im using bleeds ALOT. how do i stop this, is my paint to thin?