well, call it what you want, I'm ignoring all the crap talk- cause it's not worth responding too.. I must say though, I will always make a serious effort to respect those who were bold with word-style spray paint art and sprayed it up wherever they wanted despite what anyone else thought about it. I did spend years of my life being bold and painting on whatever I wanted as well.. When I came to a realization that illegal painting wasn't for me anymore about 7 years later(which would be this year) I was in Atlanta and accidentally stumbled upon Totem who we can all agree expanded the 3-D style. Honestly I don't know much about Totem and who associates with him and whether or not they go out painting on whatever or they stick more to legals.. I was friendly, but Totem wasn't in a good mood when I met him so I just kept my distance while he painted ferociously to whatever music was pumping through his ear-buds. While I was watching his piece come together a friend of his (some black guy) came up who seemed to be just as serious of a painter as Totem, I shared my view on the scene and he told me his: He said that he paints to escape reality and all the crap that he has to deal with in reality, he got super offended and angry with me for sharing my view and I could tell he just wanted things his way or the highway and he wasn't going to give a crap about anything else or any other perspective on what he did. I learned through him that he and Totem were actually afraid that I was some undercover cop or some crap because a lot of writers are being busted in Atlanta for painting all over the city. I told him about the workshops I run in Florida and he thought it was real legit and then started encouraging me.. I have NO disrespect for anyone who's painting skillfully.. painting takes a load of time and effort so how could I just hate on you? I made this clear in this thread but people interpret my view on the illegal scene as if I look down on those who are deep in it, I don't, I simply am sharing my view, and in my view I don't find that it's for me for many reasons... I know I can die easily in a car wreck, but increasing risks through the way you choose to live is real and it happens to people every stinking day.. right here in my city, night clubs, people go there all innocent just expecting to not get too drunk and enjoy themselves, next thing you know someone is swinging on you cause they're so wasted and acting foolish.. if you don't go to the night club and chill at home with a friend then you don't risk the drunken-mobs annoying the heck out of you.. the idea is simple. I don't need anybody explaining what they like or don't like and calling me a cunt, cause none of that matters, what matters in here is what your views are, if writers are so weak-minded that they're just eating up my view and ceasing to paint all over then that's not my stinking problem, that's people being naive.. i mean why you wanna close this thread? If some members in this forum are enjoying it then live and let live.. and every person on this forum knows when something doesn't look "cool," even those who just started sketching letters know that their sketches look like crap and expect people to say that about them here, creating something that looks "cool" is kinda a gamble, many can think it looks cool and many may dislike it, the line is drawn when you have experienced writers saying it looks "cool," that's when you know you've got something.. I shared my blackbook work with Totem and his friend, they enjoyed seeing it, I consider that a good thing.. if they frowned and called it sh*t then I'd be taking steps backwards.. but my approach seems legit.. I always point out potential in what I see even if it looks scrappy as heck.. and to me painting is all about inspiring others with your message and/or imagery..
Last edited by scipl; 08-06-2012 at 08:30 PM.
THIS THREAD: All of us have views on life, and these views shape how we paint, why we paint, etc... This thread is a place to openly share your ideas about painting, it can be ANY ideas... where it's heading, why you paint and what you believe shapes your purpose for painting, your feelings about the illegal/legal scene, style, etc. etc. etc... I ask that we just share our raw thoughts with words, no need to analyze each other or hate on anyone because they paint for a completely different reason than you do... if someone wants a response to the thoughts they express then ask with Private Messages or make it clear in what you post with "?'s" .. respect is universal, everyone deserves it here unless their thoughts promote unnecessary death and destruction which is obviously not worthy of respect..
Last edited by scipl; 08-06-2012 at 08:28 PM.
more bullshit text that no one will read. cmon son, its the web. go somewhere else to share your super cool og graff legend stories, or start a blog. stop bumping a faggot ass thread with more faggotry.
Its like your trying to school a meteorologist on how to predict weather, when they already fuckin know. Its like, dude, shut the fuck up.
Last edited by scipl; 08-06-2012 at 09:19 PM.
well bump all the smack talk, I just wanna say that I really enjoyed reading the thoughts that aaesoo, MONSTER, lakim shabazz, so happy together, Theartofverb, and GuyGuyer of Guyland posted so far, like I mentioned earlier we all view things a little differently and it's nice to read raw uncut thoughts about graffiti from those who create it.. I invite others to share in here on this topic.. just be ready to at Ribcages useless retard talk.. seems it's here to stay..
scipl your views are biased and you are an arrogant fuck.
you are a unlikable person
maybe thats why you "lost friends"
.. Tempa, thanks for nothing... you just told a person over a forum that they're unlikable.. lol.. and honestly i've gained more friends.. I facilitate a workshop at a skatepark and teach folks how to paint.. and doing so has opened up my life to a ton of people.. My views are bias? Bias means that my views are in favor of one group over another.. to the point that it's unfair.. well, this will be the 3rd time that I ask you to quit being arrogant in here and having trouble with how others view painting.. instead realize that I don't treat anyone who paints any differently- but all the same, I shared my personal view, it belongs to me, and I made that clear, I don't paint anything that I'm not given permission to paint on, that's it.. I've shared videos, stories, etc. explaining my personal stance, it has nothing to do with bias and favoring one group over another, it's just me and my own exploration, if you take offense to it so much that you have to name-call and toss out foolishness at me then who's being arrogant?.. if folks would just stop exaggerating and making their feelings about my views such a big deal.. if instead you all would share your own views on painting then this thread would be decent again..
honestly Tempa you sound like someone I used to paint all over random stuff with, if you are.. then realize that this is a forum, if you come to one of my workshops on Sunday i'm not just gonna be some dumb-ass trying to shove all this philosophy down your throat, I understand that to properly conversate with someone you talk to them based on what they're interested in hearing.. I focus on can-control and techniques at the workshops, if someone asks me deeper questions about my painting lifestyle then I "briefly" explain my view, I've learned that respect is key, even in conversation... If someones face twists all up and they get uncomfortable with me then I don't bring it up again unless they show an interest again, I share my views in here freely in detail because it's a "forum" .. that's what this place is for.. you silly folks treat it like real-life.. please.. wake-up..
What I do here, if anyone gives a single fuck, let alone two or more, about the " JunkBox(R) Single Reply to Many Posts Using Trimmed Quotes(TM) Response Method ", is briefly read each post, hit 'Reply with Quote' and cut the text sometimes with a brief note on what I wish to say. When I get to the end of the new posts, my clipboard contains a sort of outline of what it is I want to respond to, this time I cut from the bottom and moved to the top so I'll be responding in backwards order (I haven't done this before so they may be out of order, I don't suppose it matters much).. Now I'll fully read the quoted posts, trim them to the content relevant to my opinions for the moment that I wish to express, then I'll wrap it all up and hit the ol' Post button... so, without further delay;
I'm wondering like... did you run into 'Totems Friend' as you put it, later somewhere in Atlanta? I just don't get how this came together... I do think its cool you offer kids a bit of uhmm... well the workshops, some background and direction, open them up to a different means of expression.. and its a way to sieze power, one's own potential (not power in the sense of something you can use to rise to a position where you can exploit the downtrodden for personal benefit).. ya know, born out of poverty its a tool for the poor (now, be it poor in the traditional financial way, or spiritually broke, or lacking self-confidence.. whatever it may be) to have a voice.. I've stated awhile back what I think about the legality or lack thereof when it comes to all this..
I just ran into some kid at the store an hour or so ago, in our brief conversation self-worth came up... just cause one experienced writer doesn't think your shit looks cool doesn't mean another wont.. I feel that perhaps its not about it looking good but it having, as you said somewhere, potential.. merit... I don't know man, I'm just ranting now but, a dope writer giving you props on a piece or whatever, thats a good boost in self-esteem
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junkbox(TM) " from (sometime last month) 'til infinity "
Originally Posted by Buck
i guess that saying 'it is what it is' comes into play (a tag alone could express the fact that someone want to be known, perhaps we could go deeper and hypothesize that its evidence the writer, feels powerless or something, wants notoriety) . Maybe I don't understand 'expression'... if you just fell in love and you paint these like, happy positive bright colored pieces or... you're at the moment into physical intimacy or something and your pieces reflect that with references to visceral shit, sex organs or something... if you're sad and you paint horrible shit, if you feel powerless and next to your piece quote a line that describes how you're feeling, if you're furious and choose a legible word for that and paint in whatever angry colors are to you... I see that as expression
Last edited by junkbox; 08-18-2012 at 02:59 PM. Reason: minor correction
junkbox(TM) " from (sometime last month) 'til infinity "
Originally Posted by Buck
thanks for sharing your thoughts junkbox, refreshing
holy fuck, i thought i was curious about this thread. turns out it's just some ego inflation trip by an upper middle class white kid. would have been cool if cats summed their shit up in aphorisms. just saying, reading page long posts by some cat who's been painting for 8 years and who's pieces still look like grade school shit, i don't care about the philosophy behind your street painting, your pieces still look like curly turds... we came on here for graff talk, i read sartre, nietchze, and wittgenstein when i want to think. dude, i'm all for free speech, so i think i'll steer clear of this thread. peace
this thread is what you make it.. feel free to share whatever thoughts you want about graff or street art, whatever you want to call it. I haven't had someone personally tell me that my style looks like turds.. and honestly if it does look like turds then maybe you could offer me some pointers..? If you want though we can battle on paper and decide? I admit that I haven't painted a whole lot and that I can't paint my style yet, if I show my work to other painters and they seriously think it's decent and that I'm very decent on paper then that counts for something and tells me something. I'm never gonna tell you that your work looks like turds.. I may say you're using bad color combinations, your letter style is weak and choppy and your 3D isn't in perspective.. people who talk junk about others used to have a super junky style themselves.. if you don't care to share your views on life and how your views on life determine how you will paint in this life then move on.. but if you wanna come in here and talk trash then I will call you out cause talking trash just wastes space in here and wastes peoples time who actually want to read our philosophies... you can go ahead and keep your philosophy to your self, or share your ideas so that others can understand you and enjoy knowing how you go about painting and living.. yes?
Writing doesn't need a philosophy. It isn't street art. Jesus, guy. Its people writing on stuff. Why can't it be left at that? There's no call to come on here and make it into a heartwarming childrens activity. Also, you teaching a bunch of kids about writing in your little workshops, contributes to the decline of a subculture that is already on life support. Tell me why you are doing it at all when you even said yourself that you can't paint??
I second the motion to shut down Mr. Rodger's artfag appreciation thread
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i dropped my personal philosophy by saying that philosophy should be outside of the sphere of graff. you are excluding a whole range of ideas by saying that the point i made has nothing to do with what this thread is about. way to go... graff is a form of typography, you want to engage in a discussion about the semiotics of typography, go for it. otherwise... Philosophy has nothing to do with graff. i think the majority of cats in here would tell you that they write to explore freedom of creativity. thinking about what creates the drive to destroy (or mark a surface with your name) too hard would kill your drive to continue fucking shit up. go work for the government...
^p.s. this seems like a street art thread to me too.
i would be happy to battle you, i hope the mastah can choose a word for me to destroy with my shitty color combos, weak perspective, and poor letter form, and for you to turn into a four foot long, thin, curly turd or whatever it is you think is good letter form.
so.. everyone has a reason "why" they paint.. you don't just paint for no reason.. If you think about it for at least 5 minutes you will realize while sitting there why you choose to paint.. we all view our world in some way, it's unavoidable, we can't help but view the world around us a certain way and do what we do in it for some certain reason... This reason is called your philosophy.. You all seem to think you can just dance around it, but you can't.. If you don't want to share though then I don't care! If you do want to share, then share and quit wasting space with reasons why this thread shouldn't be here! It's here! ugh.. I can paint, not extremely well but I can pull basic fades, fills, 3D, etc. I teach a beginners workshop nothing advanced, now on paper I can do way more, but at the skate park we paint a wall... all I see you doing is analyzing why I started this thread.. well.. this thread has already started and people have already shared their ideas and views and how these ideas and views affect the reason they paint.. I don't need you to analyze me and piece me apart and put your assumed understandings of who I am all over this thread, because NOBODY GIVES A !KCUF ..what people do like to read about is our thoughts, your thoughts, not your thoughts about me... ugh..