Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it. Looking at it I definitely like the first C more too, and I'm going to try and work on my shadows. They're just hard, mine look a little thick I think. That's good advice, I definitely want mine to go to the left. I've done tags with paint with an old, toy name but never done a throw up with paint so I want to make sure it doesn't look like shit when I actually get up with it. But I'll work on my throw and post what I have eventually, I appreciate the advice again.