Like I said on MSN..........Dude I Jizzed myself. I see what your sayin about the K tho. Mabey at the end of it where it curves make it on bar with Cracks or somethin else instead of a big long bar. That R is the SHIT. and I'm diggin the letter conversions man shit is fly and its your style. Keep rockin that shit. -TEAR ONE
I see youve grasped the generalising of the "go simpler you need to work on letter structure" (Read asif train of thought) by saying that obviously the structure is a challenge to read?, if not why else would it need to be worked on, although graffiti is an artform so of course like any artform the rules and boundaries are only physical, abstract letter forms are also entering into the equasion, im not a 3d illusionist or an abstract euro king, but i know enough of my history to know not everyone is going to have perfectly widthed letters otherwise graffiti would be stuck ina communist oppressed state, - wich it isnt as much is flaunted by street artists worldwide, then we move on to the next bit in the break down- "take your own advice" , my advice was directed at him to show the difference of " the shithouse generalised go simpler crit" he gave and proburbly has had brainwashed into him in comparison to the indepth pieces of his sketch that i picked at and described towards him, you agreed with them and simply gave the same advice re-written and attached a "just listen to me" type instigation a couple posts later, yet you turned around and said the same shit to me? was it to try and "put me in check" for being straightforward with him, surely straightforward answers would be a good retort?(must of been your thought eh?)except, he quite obviously doesnt have a grasp of letter structures and hasnt spent hours practicing letters, perfecting curves,line widths, bars and transistors between letters, i did all that, didnt worry about colouring until i had achieved an ellevated sense of letters, thats how i can differentiate, ide doubt by his skill level that he has been writing for more then 6 months, Of course back to the structure, so the piece says I O R Z, ill mspaint it in for you, did you struggle to read it? View attachment 445878 not sure what he meant by that, the letters and the structure worked out the way i wanted them to, so i figured that he must of just been agreeing with everyone welse post whoring this bitch, surely not the same as the generic styles being posted throughout this thread, but with a name like iORz(eye-awz), im obviously not aiming for generic. ok well check out the picture above and just ms paint in where you would recommend the clarifications, i can read it fine, but i created it so ide understand i should know everythings place, so if its a problem in legibility then by all means describe where it is and possibly offer up an idea/crit/suggestion eg "curve that bar around to the left a bit" instead of getting different users responding to my post and they all say " yeah i agree with (insert name), go simpler" , by instructing everyone to go simpler its easy/lazy and will end up holding some back, im not stating no-one needs simples, im saying there are those that do, and those that have surpassed that stage, a bigger post count isnt going to earn my respect, if your going to mouth off with crits and post 4 times a page, at least make it more descriptive so that people can actually work on the specifics rather then being left in doubt with generalised statements. Dont take this personally urmomsayshi, but i remember when i first started writing i had trouble reading some stuff, i look back now and wonder how i could of ever confused a sofles outline, but i also know that during that time i was ignorant and uneducated on alot of things as far as the graff world goes. The sketch you posted is influenced by calligraphy, weather you straight up bit it, or its a subconscious coincidence, i can see it straight away. If your going to fault my structure, point out where its faulty, how/why it should be improved, until you do that im going to read what you say and then check your work to see if you apply that yourself and if youve got structure on lock yourself, if you havent then chances are ill disregard your crit, be more specific and say " that little bit there looks off", then im going to check it and might be awakened to something i could do better. This one should be easier to read?, no useless bars or arrows or anything to confuse you, just each letter in a different style/colour scheme(ON PURPOSE BEFORE THOSE OF YOU START ASSUMING THINGS) View attachment 445879 View attachment 445880 Says evade, just to display that im aware of the structure behind letters, havent seen any of your work yet either tear one, so im challenging your crit on the grounds that i havent seen any of your work to backup and illustrate the applications of what you preach, nothing personal, feel free to edit my original sketch and show where the errors of my structure are, but keep in mind letter structures are manipulated differently across various styles,so its a hard one to try and police. An intellectual response would be good, no need to explain myself at all, but im willing to discuss with those willing to talk.Generalisations and shittalk will be disregarded almost immediately as all they are likely to do is cause confusion if i attempt to act upon the crit due to humans being different and individual,we might interpret something so generalised differently.
the only thing i picked up outta that 2000 word essay is that your a whiney bitch. your shit sucks. the sooner you realize this. the sooner you can get better. my 2 cents and silentchaos. i cant quite see the sideways S your talkin about. but i'll work on it
Perfect example of the kinda of uneducated response i expected, didn't have anything to do with you jetpack,yet you jump in on your high horse like you never whinge? i saw last time you commented with your opinion " i agree with hepos stop whinging" etc etc then i was flicking through the painted pieces thread and you were getting cut down after you complained about the quality, and then posted up some black and orange messy piece of shit. hypocrit much? if your going to comment at least provide an explanation as to why it sucks, I dont particularly feel your style AT ALL, of course instead of constantly barrating you with insults or comments where they dont need to be said i keep it closed and just focus moreso on the remarks made regarding my works and how they can be improved, and the fact that your most recent sketch seems to show little to no progression since when i first started peeping your stuff, same dull unclean style, sure lotsa quickies up around town, but its clear your taking the quantity over quality approach. If you dont like my style, dont comment as ive refrained from picking at yours, if you gennuinly have something positive to add(in terms of crits) then by all means go ahead and contribute. Of course no doubt you will slug it off, comment on how long of an essay it is in an attempt to discredit my response and continue cluttering up this thread with YOUR shittalk about how much i suck. Wheres that get us? a) Back to me pointing out that you werent specific in wich bits i could improve to not suck, instead you just generalised in telling me i suck. Or you could not post unless you have something productive to add and where will that get us? b)User posts image, other users respond as to how the artist could improve, the artist improves and gives back to the community. Sure as hell rather see some progression instead of MOAR shittalk. Im willing to put in and give detailed crits to other artists, that way i know im contributing, rather then just going along with everyone else chanting" yeah more simples bruhz" so it appears im "giving crits" when infact im providing no knowledge in terms of improving the specific sketch im giving a crit on to the other individual. Wouldn't bother replying in terms of " your the one writing essays if u want less talk post more images" it would work in theory, but sometimes there are things that need to be said and pointed out, as you can tell from my post count in regards to my time of registering(plus the months prior that i spent lurking) i dont often post unless i have something constructive to add for others to view. Its like talking to a retard, no matter how much logical sense i seem to make, you seem to just disregard that and respond with some stupid immature insult. Now you can jump back up on that high horse of ignorance and ride off into the land of YOUR business. If you did manage to read through all of this without overheating, think before you post another short,simple non-constructive response, no point in going around in circles with you if you truely dont UNDERSTAND what a constructive crit is.
this isnt your moms house, its an internet forum, if your looking for maturity your in the wrong place. its called critts, their not always what you want to hear or expect if you dont agree with the ppl then keep sketching and prove them wrong. but keep in mind that the 3 kids your talking to know a thing or two about letter structure when they see it i can vouch for that. as for a critt, im only feelin the very last sketch you posted, work off that. dont bother with the euro ish cause if you cant pull it off it looks awful
yall nigros just look my ass over again..... mants- your really aint got much structure, work on your bars, your close just gotta get them down man
Your confusing the word maturity with quality. Maturity plays a role in what i was talking about, but for the majority its just a case of " if you haven't got anything constructive(QUALITY) to say dont bother opening your mouth" im aware constructive and mature dont always co-exist, im also aware that its the internet, and i dont expect your mum to be running the shop either " oi der brah, your s looks like an m, dat extra bit there makes it not look like an S" is an example of a constructive crit, obviously not maturely expressed, but ide have an idea as to what needs fixing, instead of "try simples" im not asking to be shielded from the negative feedback, i know people are going to hate, thats part of the game, I guess the point im trying to make is if your not going to bother going into detail about WHY IT HAS SHIT STRUCTURE then dont bother telling me IT HAS SHIT STRUCTURE cause chances are if i knew where the SHIT STRUCTURE was then i'de of tried to make it NOT SO SHIT. done with the rant, Cheers, i see what you mean regarding euro, but it wasnt a euro style i was going for, it was influenced by sofles, View attachment 445888 inspiration to try different styles/colour combinations for each letter throughout the piece
His shit doesn't suck, are you stupid? Its not good, but shit man, everything in this thread has its flaws. Hes obviously going for a more euro style, let him do his thing.
ill start with rasek before i get into my rant- nice work bro but im with the other guy who said dont turn ur s so much mants- ummmmm, why u such a bitch? i mean if u were doing a euro style and it had structure id be cool with it cuz i love that stuff. But ur shit lacks structure. The main bars are corect but u start adding all these extra bumps and rectaangle off of every bar that juss detracts from everything. And i cudnt read it because with all the arrows and extensions u had, i cudnt tell which was a main bar and what was an extension. Like ur i, i thought it was juss an arrow. And i know my latest sketch was calligraphy based. I took advice from some oldschool writer to read a book on typography. So i did and realised that the old script style fonts had really good structure and i cud use em for this legal im gonna do. bump these for talking [Broken External Image]:http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm159/igraffix122/telus.jpg
And by all you mean "all" 5 arrows, i thought ide made the difference in appearance between an arrow and an I clear,obviously not, now if someone had been more specific and said " i mistook your i for an arrow," it would of been straight to the point and this whole arguement could of been avoided, but a generalised " do simples. work on structure" doesnt tell me that people are mistaking my i's for arrows, and therefore it isnt a constructive criticism. is the point clear yet? i dont care what you'de be cool with in a hypothetical situation,i wasn't trying euro so theres no need to comment asif ive tried to rock a banos outline and fell short, didnt you read the thread at all before you jumped on the bandwagon of assumptions? Those pieces you bumped arent exactly holding the structure world title either.