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Chemistry 101:Beginner Ink Labs and Pics

Discussion in 'Toys forum' started by HëRbN, Jul 2, 2008.

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  1. proNYNJA

    proNYNJA Senior Member

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    oh no this thread is gunna die time to ask a nutha nubbie question, okay i know this has notthing to do with the ink but..
    were do you guys get all those tiny little bottles with mops on top? like the bottles under 5oz.
     
  2. ILoveWinnipeg

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  3. THEGREATSOUTHERNTRENDKILL

    THEGREATSOUTHERNTRENDKILL Senior Member

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    4oz bottle, circular nib, squeezable? Michaels has them in the stamp section. it will say something like stamp cleaner on it. its a clear bottle, empty it out and rinse with water and your good to go.

    i got a question, are there any retail stores that sell methyl orange?

    another question, i just put some 91% in my jar that had just a tiny bit of resin, and it turned brown... has this happened to anyone before? is it safe to continue? i dont want to waste 100 pens and whatever else i decide to add.
     
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  4. HëRbN

    HëRbN Elite Member

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    What sort of resin? like weed resin? lol your probly fine should be nothing in it that would mess up your ink. Also you may think about going to PVC primer as a base rather than alc. you can thank me later.
    as far as methyl orange not that im aware of. Do you know whats its primary use is?
     
  5. proNYNJA

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    im out of alcohol but i found a big ass bottle of acetone under my moms sink
    the ingredients are Acetone,water, vitamin E, hydrolyzed wheat protein, Lalolin Oil, Perfume, Blue 1, and red 33 dye.
    any1 know whut will happen if i use this as a thinner?
     
  6. THEGREATSOUTHERNTRENDKILL

    THEGREATSOUTHERNTRENDKILL Senior Member

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    methyl orange is mentioned on the first page. found in chem. sets, its a Ph indicator.

    i believe i will look into pvc primer, thanks.

    acetone will eat through some plastics so be careful proninja
     
  7. The Most Sadistic

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    What do you guys add to your pen inks to prevent it from fading/weathering? So far all I got is boiled down India ink. Looking for more options...
     
  8. HëRbN

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    Pro - Acetone is good on its own but the fact that water is an ingredient is a bad sign. What is the product? But it will eat through some plastics but not really fast enough to be a big deal most the time, ive used it in lots of markers with out a problem. You may want to try boiling it down to get rid of the water but itll probly stink. And make sure you did it in a ventilated room.

    The great - oh yeah lol. I dont really know where youde find it then, either on the internet or somewhere that sells stuff that would need to be ph tested. Pools and aquariums are what comes to mind but i dont know that either one of those kinda places sell it. Let us know if you find it. H3tt might know.

    When it comes to Pen ink, it fades like a mofo in the sun. Boiled down india works, if you can get your hands on some marsh or pilot or garvey they will help with that, Its hard to make an ink weather proof though. H3tt talked about some chemical that was found in sun block but idk about all that, he gets tech lol. But the more opaque and concentrated your ink is the better it will hold up depending on the base and additives.Let me look into it more and see what i can find.
     
  9. Aced

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    Lol, I cleaned out some of my bowls with the ISO once, and then just used it in my ink :D

    Anyways...I have a bunch of tie-dye dye in my house from a few years ago. Is this useful at all? It stains clothes pretty well, but IDK how mixing green powder into my black base ink would work. Any input on this?

    Does anyone know anything about squid ink? I don't mean the brand, I mean the actual ink that comes out of squids. It seems like it wouldn't be too good, but its tempting just for the novelty value lol.

    Edit: Also; does anyone have some pics of that candy ink stuff? And, will it eat through my mops since is xylene based?
     
  10. The Most Sadistic

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    Thanks for the info, except I've heard garvey is more for staining/bleeding through and fades in the sun pretty badly too. I don't have any first hand experience, though. Just what I read on the net.

    When a handstyle fades a shit load, does it just keep fading untill it's completely gone or will it just look like shit and still be legible. Honestly, if my faded handstyles are still legible I could care less. This new batch of pen ink I just made I threw in some Higgins Eternal and it seems a lot more opaque then the last batch. I also used 91% alc instead of 70% which made a good diference in opaqueness, too.


    Another question. Is there anything I can add to my inks to get a lighter color? For example, lets say I have dark purple ink. Is there anything I can add to it to get it to be violet/pink without sacrificing opaqueness? All I have read so far is to mix the ink into white rusto oil based paint, but I've never tried mixing ink into paint before. If anyone knows the exact process on correctly mixing alc based ink into oil based paint, please share.
     
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  11. HëRbN

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    i dont ever mix ink and paint but it can be done. you could also try getting a bunch of red pens and adding them to the mix. or a non acrylic caligraphy ink could work to for some color. Neither of those would effect opaqueness.

    And your right about the garvey and no when pen ink fades it dissapears, unless it metallic i made a metallic blue and after awhile in the sun it faded out but you could still read the sparkles lol
     
  12. The Most Sadistic

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    Does the calligraphy ink help from fading too? I added some Higgins eternal to my new batch. I didn't boil it down though I just poured it in there because my ink was already kinda thick to begin with. It says it's permanent carbon writing ink for fountain pens and calligraphy pens and its water based.
     
  13. The Most Sadistic

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    I just added a good amount of old flowpen ink I had laying around to my pen ink recipe. This will help it hold up to fading/weather, right? Because I've heard flowpen ink sucks vs the buff but it will last if no one touches it.
     
  14. zxcvbnmjm

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    hey
    first post :D

    i made ghetto krink today
    1 part thinner and 2 parts paint (i dont have rusto in australia so i used something similar)
    but i put a bit too much thinner now it is too thin
    is there anything i can do to thicken it instead of buying more paint?
    becasue paint here is very expensive
    500ml is 20 bucks
    and paint thinner is 15 bucks
    :S
    thanks
     
  15. zxcvbnmjm

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    actually nah dont worry
    turns out it was too thick not too thin
    aha
    silly me

    by the way it was the first time i ever made ghetto krink
    i usually make the pen ink one
     
  16. Aced

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    Any info on using tie dye? HëRbN your the fuckin' man when it comes to this stuff. Any ideas?
     
  17. HëRbN

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    Sadistic, yeah the flow pen ink should help, also the cali ink will help it not fade as much as well but you should have boiled it down or let it evap, cause what can happen if theres to much water in an ink is when you write with it it can bead up and wont give you smooth lines.

    Cant say that ive ever used tye die. While it stains clothes and fabric i kinda doubt it would be much of a stainer on metal or something less porous. It works so well on fabric because fabric naturally soaks it up and holds the color. Not gunna happen with a metal sign lol. Although you could experiment using it as a color additive and get a different staining agent added to you ink like meth blue or gen green or the like. i have a feeling its more than like water based though so i would let it sit out or boil it down and see what happens. If its a liquid that is, if its a powder give it a shot. One thing to think about it not all powders with mix into all liquids, for example you mix it with water and it will come out a smooth liquid, mix it with alcohol and it will probably come out grainy



    This kinda stuff is why i said its best to make a simple large batch of "Base Ink" then you can add one ingredient and compare it to the base to see what effects it had. for example you could put i line of base ink on an electrical box in the sun and one next to it with boiled down cali ink and see how much more fade resistant it is
     
  18. The Most Sadistic

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    Word. Guess I got lucky this time because it writes decent. I'll definitely boil it down next time, though. Theres really no danger in boiling down water based inks like there is with alcohol based is there?
     
  19. proNYNJA

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    whut u guys think about adding nail polish to pen ink?
     
  20. FLIP FLOP

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    i doubt they will mix, and nail polish scrapes off easily.