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Discussion in 'Toys forum' started by Kayone707, Jun 15, 2005.

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  1. loonaii

    loonaii Elite Member

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    Well said tanz. The worst thing on these forums are people like kaps that post literally every letter they sketch and beg for crits and help. Like yo crit yourself first, you know what a good straight letter should look like. If you dont just look around and see it. What makes it worse in his case is we give him advice and he ignores it and post the same shit again lol. Annoying as fuck.
     
  2. TanZ

    TanZ Senior Member

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    @loonaii Believe me, I've worked in art/creative writing forums for years before this one, so I've gotten used to taking on a "nice" tone while simultaneously cutting to the chase of what needs to be fixed. IMO there's no such thing as "talent" or "being born with it". It all comes down to mindset and action.

    @Ringo I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve. The curves suggest something glossy, but the connector lines suggest something metallic, which I'd think would have more straight lines. If you're going for a rounded kind of 3D object, it might look a little better for the bits that are straight to match the curve of the object they're supposed to be representing. The glean on the bottom of the letters reminds me of a jelly donut, so it could work for a glossy look, but it also clashes with the straight lines within the letters. Zooming out from detail to the bigger picture, I think I see what loonaii was talking about when he pointed out leaning. The stem of the I is facing a completely different direction from the other letters, and the dot doesn't agree with it. The angles at which the letters are slanted don't compliment one another, and instead they look thrown together and randomized, which doesn't look good for an overall composition.
     
  3. lse292

    lse292 Senior Member

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  4. loonaii

    loonaii Elite Member

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    That's better ringo.

    Simple letters. Made the N too thin tho

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  5. TanZ

    TanZ Senior Member

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    Actually, I'm fairly certain that's not the case with Loon. You backbiting that hard only proves his point, you know. His critiques ring true. You can't be selective and only listen to people because you like them. You'll never learn all that you can that way. You say he's being "kind of nasty", but did your mother never tell you that to make accusations and assumptions about someone's personal life is also very rude? This thread should not be a place for such ridiculousness.

    It's truly the mark of a noob artist to get that huffy and defensive over your artwork at even the slightest harshness in a review. Fact of the matter is that every artist must take the critiques that rip them to shreds, because they're often the most helpful. I even translated everything he said into "nice" speak. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. This scene is harsh, and if you expect everyone to babysit you, you're really setting yourself up for disappointment. No one can hold your hand forever, and at some point you will be held accountable for producing results yourself. No one else can make your progress for you. If you don't trust him, at least trust me: his advice is solid. He's not just attacking you for the hell of it. He's showing you what you don't want to see so you can overcome it and get better.
     
  6. Kaps2

    Kaps2 Elite Member

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    You may be right tanz.
     
  7. PUTS

    PUTS Elite Member

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    Kaps2 as a word of advice, don't fuck with loon. He might act like shit sometimes but he has more years of experience than you. Yeah he might say you're shit, but if he does then your piece is shit in one way or another. And what TanZ is saying is 100% correct. You're going to have to deal with your fair share of "Your shit" before you get anywhere man.
     
  8. Kaps2

    Kaps2 Elite Member

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    I deleted my post i sometimes wonder why the hell i bother... i don't see any improvement. And btw puts i only got 6 months of experience so your right about that... But thanks tanz and puts as well as loon. I am sorry i just don't really respond well when people use words like "shit" and are very blunt. I will try and not take it so personally next time lol.
     
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  9. Kaps2

    Kaps2 Elite Member

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    Btw i don't know if its just me but i much prefer doing tags and throw ups over pieces. I am going to try and learn basic straight letters cause i want to sometimes make my name big. But does anyone else feel that they just enjoy tags more? Maybe its because i am not very good at pieces. I don't know.
     
  10. Cl4sh

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  11. Kaps2

    Kaps2 Elite Member

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    Cl4 Keep working on making your letters very simple. Also whats going on with the T top in side the R? Other wise keep going!
     
  12. loonaii

    loonaii Elite Member

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    Don't take it personal I'm talking bout ur letters. But your not gonna see improvement for years. I'm on my 3rd or 4th year writing and didn't see improvement til maybe this year. It took this long to finally be satisfied with something I put up. Keep at it but help yourself before you expect anyone else to help you. And as I said before be happy doing simps and straights cuz like I said I'm about 4 years in and I'm still rocking simple letters.
     
  13. loonaii

    loonaii Elite Member

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    Just to show u some evolution lol I put these up like 3 years ago. No structure at all just trying to get ahead of myself

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    To this from couple months back. Much simpler but because I spent years working on nothing but structure and letters it looks 100x better

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  14. Kaps2

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    Thanks loon. I dig your work. Its just the "K" seems to be off for the second one. I LOVE the last one on the train. Keep it up man. Out of interest why do you think graffiti takes so long to master?
     
  15. TanZ

    TanZ Senior Member

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    There's not supposed to be a K, I don't think. They're Ns.

    But maybe I can answer your question as to why writing/graffiti takes so long to master: because it's an art form. Like every other craft, it has foundations and rules, and it takes time to get to know your media, your materials, your rules, and to build up from there. But, of course, before you get to know your materials (e.g. spray paint, good markers), you have to understand your subject. As I've said before, "if you can't draw it with a pencil, you probably can't draw it at all".
     
  16. Kaps2

    Kaps2 Elite Member

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    Oh i see it was a N sorry my bad. And true tanz.
     
  17. danOner

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    What you think about this? It's only sketch.

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    Name: DAN.
     
  18. nZane

    nZane Senior Member

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    Loon has a greater bombing history than most of the cats here.. still getting hatd on that hallooween piece with the pumplin 2 years ago
     
  19. Jainz13

    Jainz13 Senior Member

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    Tanz, spot on! Really agree with what you been saying

    @Dan: I'm gonna love to see that with color. I think its a little confusing with the 3d and stuff but i bet its gonna look fire!

    Is this terk? was late for the battle but here it is
    I need crits! It's about my letter structure right? C'mon bring it on, i know i probably should still be doing straight bar letters, but i just get bored of it…i know i'm not there yet, but give me your opinion guys!

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  20. nZane

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    i think its nice, maybe the swing of the E is too overdone... Nice tarzan ref here