tf are you talking about, that is how you learn to draw better letters, which it seems like pngn3 is wanting to do. This has nothing to do with getting up. Someone can have letters that look like complete ass and still get up like crazy. Which is fine if that's all they want to do. But if you want to develop a good style then you have to practice graff fundamentals. Period. Even if you practiced them through painting. You still have to practice them.