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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by GeSuS_KRiST, Oct 25, 2004.
Indigo children- Pusifier
thanks allot diggy, havent been on in awhile nice to see everyones still upping shit!
Good few albums on there (Y)
Not hip-hop, but i don't give a flying fuck, cos it's one of my top 10 favourite albums of all-time, Passenger is INCREDIBLE.
But on something that is hip-hop related, Doom got some 'splaining to do...
"An open letter from Cunninlynguists.
Dear Daniel Dumile a.k.a. MF Doom a.k.a. Zev Love X a.k.a. King Geedorah a.k.a. Metal Fingers a.k.a. Viktor Vaughn a.k.a. Ducktor Doom a.k.a. Victor von Doom a.k.a. Mr. Soft Taco a.k.a. Mr. 78' Cutlass a.k.a. "That Guy Who Enjoys Fingerpainting."
I'm writing this as a concerned artist, business-owner and generally even-keeled loather of all things douche-like.
It came to my attention in late 2007 that you pulled a series of no-shows and Super Dave-esque stunt double lip-syncing fiascos in Pomona, San Diego, San Francisco, Rock The Bells in San Bernardino and then in Atlanta. The latter saw the crowd throwing beer at your body double, who subsequently exited the stage only to steal all the merch money and door receipts, insuring noone would be granted a refund for your clone's piss-poor Milli Vanilli routine. Classy.
The whole thing was shrug-inducing because I'm not a huge fan of your body of work, so pardon my inability to completely connect with the disdain of someone paying $25 dollars to see a slightly rotund, middle aged man in a dirty Gladiator mask stand around onstage and talk into a microphone only to be duped into watching a presumably younger, slightly-less rotund man in a dirty Gladiator mask stand around onstage and pretend to talk into a microphone. As the old folks say, "buyer beware".
It was shrug-inducing, that is, until someone passed me a link to a discussion in which a talent buyer for a well-known Cali venue clearly states;
"...needless to say, hiphop will not be taking place at the venue again (we will still book alternative artists like sage, atmosphere, subtle, all through legit agencies that we regularly do business with)."Ok, now wait a minute.
You pissing on your most dedicated fans by cheating them out of their hard-earned cash, while being completely foul, was ultimately no business of mine. At worst it might create a small conundrum for Doom fans torn between investing money in your possibly fraudulent live show or using that loot to re-up on another sack of Northern Lights kush. Not a tough call, I'd assume.
But on the flipside, seeing talent buyers publically saying they'll only book "alternative artists" like Sage and Atmosphere (Holy awkward racial undertones, Batman) in the future because of your method of handling business? Now I have an issue.
See, people don't buy much music anymore. Touring is what allows artists who aren't supervillainous children of Latverian gypsies bent on world domination to meet our fans, fuel our art and put money into our projects and pockets. As part of an "indie" act that operates in the same ever-narrowing circles as you, I can definitely say the ability to book proper gigs with reputable promoters and venue operators is becoming more and more scarce by the month, especially with the poor reputation live hip-hop has for professionalism and punctuality as well as the economic woes of many venues and agencies. The recession is a sumbitch.
So, if any artist pisses off these promoters, fans or venue owners then ultimately they are fucking with my money.
I thought about discussing this last fall, but I decided against it in an attempt to stay away from negative energy. Fast-forward to August 9th 2008, and apparently "you" (I use the term loosely at this point) were at it again, having been re-booked at Rock The Bells in San Bernardino (How does that even happen?) and subsequently getting booed. Again.
Now, surely there is some type of explanation for all of this. Although it isn't an excuse to be deceptive, some said you were dangerously ill. Personal health is no joke. Your label denied it, though, and continued pushing your tour dates and new remixes of your old product. Some people, like the only man to ever lie to our fans about our involvement in a live show just to sell tickets, one Mr. Jason Swartz (who also happens to be your booking agent) claimed in the Village Voice that this fuckery was a breath of fresh air and "just [your] style". Yes, the same Mr. Swartz that intentionally misled our fans, the local promoters and operators of The Fox Theatre in Boulder back in 2005 in order to put a couple extra dollars in his pocket. Hmm, sounds familiar.
But I digress. Maybe you had a string of family emergencies. Maybe you developed consistent, unshakable Traveler's Diarrhea. Maybe you were fed up with curly-haired, New Era-wearing snowboarders asking you to sign their $300 Doom SB Dunks. Maybe you simply got tired of the smell inside of that mask. Who knows.
Yeah, you're the "villain" or whatever gimmick you use to sell records. I've even seen a couple people calling this fiasco "brilliant". Oh, the sweet Rap Snack™-flavored irony of anti-mainstream types letting this slide by deeming it "genius marketing". Genius marketing? Beanie Babies, Hannah Montana, Girls Gone Wild. Those are examples of genius marketing. This looks like a lazy or medically incapacitated individual duping his most dedicated fans repeatedly to the tune of a few thousand dollars while those that also stand to profit (read: labels, friends and booking agents) scuttle around attempting to make excuses for him before the loot dries up.
Whatever the case may be, I implore you and anyone involved in this to stop screwing your fans and your peers and get your ducks in a row. Don't make me throw on some blue stretch leotards and put out a solo record.
Your Friend In Jesus,
Kno of CunninLynguists
BTW if some of you didn't hear, MF DOOM has been sending Doom imposters (DOOMPosters) to go to his shows and play at his shows instead of him, and he's been caught numerous times. Most recently, at the Rock The Bells Aug. 9th, San Bernadino show."
(original post on KNO's label site.)
(Rock The Bells imposter performance 08.)
Anyone else heard this shit? What a fuckin load of faggotry.
looking forward to going through that odd nosdam.
word i read this letter before, they say this is doom promotion of his new album (doomposter) but hes really going too far with this, at the very least he could make the concerts free, or maybe doomposter one song
Who gives a fuck if it's promotion, that's shifty as fuck, and id be RAGING if i had jus paid for tickets, place to stay and travel for a show, and i get this shit.
It's wrong, and Dooms a faggot for doing it.
yeah theres no way tho recover from this, he can't just give people there money back and he can't make doomposter free (like anybody really buys it) So yeah dude fucked up, and needs to come up with something to fix it i guess.
yea dooms taking that shit too far if hes doin this bullshit for promotion,by the way anyone here check out that madvillainy2 madlib remix?
Yeee, I read that shit about Doom a while ago. That's too bad, I liked the guy.
(And yeah I know Deftones isn't hip-hop but neither is a lot of other stuff on here, I've seen some indie shit, good to see everyone is open minded!)
give me opp and an adidas shell suit
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That link i posted useful to anyone?
damn nomad and dntel good post!
yeah man that'd be cool, im sure not everyone will participate specially for a whole week but im sure if u post a grip of good hiphop from the 90s (the golden area in my oppinon for real hiphop) im sure alot of other would join in...
and i have a request if anyone wants to help me out.... does anyone have Daedelus new album love to make music to.... shits fucking FRESH the remix of my boo's sOOOOOOOOOOOOO tight
I actually just discovered Nomad because I downloaded that Epic CD and he's on one of the tracks. Easily my favorite song of the week, I've had it on repeat for a while.
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Ur welcome Gebus.
Lol fast service in 30 minutes or less!
if u think that tracks good (which i was JUST listening to 3 hours ago when i was flying in on the plain, you should check out the song he did with factor called home again, its my fav some so far for the past 3 weeks....
heres the factor cd....
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and thanks for the dae...
you know of cavemen speak right?
its one of his crew, you should like it listen to the song save the day....
there myspace even has downloads <3
if you find any of there download albums please dont hold out, ill do the same for you
Yeah I was on the shadowanimals site checking out all their projects, and thanks for the advice on Factor, I actually downloaded that CD but never realized there was a Nomad track on it.
Dude if you like Nomad you should definitely check out Why? and Hymie's Basement (Another project by Yoni Wolf [lead singer of Why?])
EDIT: BTW I was looking for Cavemen Speak dl's, but the only ones I could find were dead.
The Factor album is so fucking good. I'm so glad I grabbed that when it first got posted. You guys should definitely snag it right there if you didn't before.
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