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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by GeSuS_KRiST, Jan 25, 2005.
to me "graffiti" is illegal and legal pieces are graffiti art
:huh: ?!?!? :huh:
how do you not understand?
legal pieces ARE graffiti art, they're done legaly, thus not graffiti, but art inspired from graffiti.
for me, the illegal aspect of graffiti is what fills the whole act of writing with energy and life. in graffiti, there isn't only the end product, but the whole process to it. the cans, the checking over your shoulder, the nerves, all that shit. no artist in any gallery had to go out at 3 am in the freezing cold to go paint his shit, all while trying to avoid getting caught. the thing with graffiti is, when you look at someone's work, you don't just look at the end result, the letters, but the location aswell; which someone who goes out to art galleries is never going to get, they just look at the end result, that square piece of canvas. now on the whole piece vs bombing aspect, i think both are an artform, but not because of the visual result, because of the process. there's a whole artform to the actual writing of graffiti, and the varying result is not the main importance. now if some kid writes fuck a few times on a wall, that's vandalism, and in no way shape or form is that art, but, it's self expression. that kid wanted to write fuck on a wall and he did, he expressed himself. now that's how simple self expressive vandalism differs from graffiti, though you might be expressing yourself through your graffiti, there's also an additional dimension to your writing, that you may or may not be aware of. even if all you do is bomb, that artistic aspect comes into play: you know the difference between what's wack and what isn't. now, we may not be able to explain in words what makes something good or not, but we all know what's good and what's not, so there is an artform to graffiti, although it doesn't always make itself apparent.
long answer to a simple question, and i really didn't answer anything at all
I sead my English is bad , so when I translate this words directly to my Language , it make no sence ...
But when I try harder , I mean , when I translate it like it was in a speach ... I see what was all about ...
so , don't be rought on me ... sorry ...
i didn't bother reading anything anyone posted because i have a headache, so yell at me for saying it's already been stated blahblah yadda yadda
graffiti to some extent is art. it's hard to say a piece is not art. it's also hard to say a tag is in fact, art. on a basis though, any kind of writing can be interpreted as "caligraphy", which is recognized as art, therefore it links any kind of graffiti to art. on the other hand, a tag or throwup is also perceived (and you can't even argue this one), as vandalism. many people wn't recognize it as art because it is vandalism.
it goes either way. it's relativism and i'm sure it will change in years to come.
graffiti is like weed it is the gateway to more fulfilling things u might not think it but it is. alot of writers foud they're way from a spraycan to a canvas with abstract designs on it and in many ways graffiti is an art form. art is ne thing that allows someone to express your self so what gesus sed on the first post was totally irrelevant because him going out there and destroyin shit is a way of expressin the destructive side of you so called writers who dont think of them selves as artists u need to actually think of it outside of the box
i kind of agree with gesus but at the same time graffiti means different things to different people so it cant really be classified ..... like there are those who just want to go out and wreck shit and get their name up as much as possible(well that mostly goes for every writter) and there are those who find the artistic side in it like people who piece, in my opinion they are not just wrecking shit they are creatong a piece of art that not everyone can understand the meaning behind why they do it... only a commuinity of people (writters) do.. i think that is the ART behind graffiti... now i'm not saying all people who piece feel the same way but i believe that most do ........anyways just my thoughts on the subject....
parts of graffiti are art like piecing and murals cuz that takes serious fuckin skill but shit like bombing aint art thats just destroyin shit so that ppl see yur name
bombing is an artform in itself aswell. maybe you need clarification on what 'art' means so heres the merriam webster dictionary definitions..
- skill acquired by experience, study, or observation
- an occupation requiring knowledge or skill
- the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects; works
im not trying to say its not vandalism, i think it is both destruction as well as an art in itself
haha i'm actually doing a report in this as we speak...should probably get back to typing it but i needed a little break. i definitely feel graffiti is an art because art is technically described as any way shape or form that a person expresses themself. there are millions of ways to express yourself whether it be through music, drawing, painting, dancing...whatever. anyway you express yourself is up to you but in my opinion this makes it an art whether you belive it to be or not.
i asked my art teacher if i could do art for my g.c.s.e's but she said no, fucking bitch, but that's beside the point, what i'm getting at is that if she let's people do about picaso but yet wont let me do graffiti ART, to ask if graff is art is in the eye's of the beholder, people don't think it's art because they don't like it. This is an almost impossible question to ask, especially in a graffiti forum because at the end of the day there's only gonna be one answere here.
what the fuck do you think graffiti is basketball of course its art
art is taking your hand and drawin what comes to mind one way of self expression just like graffiti just expressing yourself through a different name in the streets or on a wall same shit its art its what you make it its how you see it its not what other people say of shit its vandalism so is writing i <3 ashley on a bus stop its all the same in my opinion its art just in a different form and expressed differently
HELL NAH IT AINT ART!
to me graffiti is both art n fukcin mindless yet pasionate destruction i love destroying the shit outta walls n shit with bombs but when i piece its like a whole different thin i feel an adrenalin ruch that i dont feel with much else im sure alot of people have said this kinda shit but w/e .
when i see like that horse like in pbp im like that aint graff but in a sense it is. Graffiti i think is what society has given the name of this new art/destruction but like in pbp graffiti is the only real speach lleft not controlled by the media and goverment thats why its illegal because the goverment knows if people opend theyre eyes and saw the meaning of it theyd ask why cant we...... and theyd have no answer whenever i a news repost on graff its ALWAYS VANDALISM THIS AND VANDALISM THAT n the pics they show are vandalism not the other part of the art .
neway thats me
graffiti can be art, but i'm tired of little kids whining... "bleh,bleh, this is art and you shouldn't be punished for doing art bleh bleh" ...to me, it's mostly destruction nowdays... and, hell, i'm still just writing my name on the wall & that's it. if someone considers that art, that's their problem. i just want my name to be seen & written better than others.
It depends of what typy of graff it is...e.g. if someone does like a really big and colourful piece in a place where everyone can see it....thats art.
Whereas the reason people don't think it's art is the way that alot of it isn't nice and colourful, and people think that it's done by yobs or gangs, so their scared of it, to me it's art but like i said up there^^^^ its in the eyes of the beholder
hell fucking no. its stupid shit that'll get a jailed.
i consider it art, because you know in a way everything can be art or made into art. and...damn i forgot what i was gonna say
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