well this could debate forever but I will go on with my point of view. In Miami there is a crust house called the Firefly, they have local shows, a library, and cookouts all the time. However, all the shows they have only have the exact same 4 or 5 crust bands, they will not let any other type of band play, they are assholes to everyone that's not wearing a brown shirt with a nausea patch sewn on, and they are some of the most closed minded people I've ever met, roughly on the same level as organized religion. I think you misunderstood what I was talking about the Ebay clothing hee is an example of what I'm talking about: http://cgi.ebay.com/PUNK-BONDAGE-PA...ryZ57989QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem these sell all the time for $70 +, and they are usually shorts but it's standard crust uniform. True, "real" crusties make their own clothes and sew all their own patches, but at least half of the crusties I've seen pop up in the last 6 months have dove-in head first to the culture purely because it's hot right now, so they buy bikes and ride them everywhere, and buy patches from crustpunks.com (seriously, I geard a kid ask a crusty wherer he got his COnflict patch and that's the website he endorsed) so to the crusties that sew their own clothes with stolen fabric and stolen dental floss and get all their patches from distros and touring bands, I can respect that. but to all the fashonable fuckers who were listening to Operation Ivy and Lefrover Crack 6 months ago and now only listen to Rabia and Caustic Christ. Fuck off. no beef with Vagrant, I just miss the way kids would actually dance and half fun at local shows and no be too cool to be friends with people that didn't dress exactly the same as them.