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Discussion in 'Toys forum' started by KAMO, Jun 21, 2005.

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  1. InkSpot

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    That's awesome man. I appreciate the advice! Seems like a lot of people have no problem throwing out "toy" without adding a bit of constructive criticism. We can't all have Master can control the first time around!
     
  2. Andy B

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    Ray of Today gave you some of the best advice I've seen in a while. I used to get crappy paint and just practice can control with those until I felt better with it. Then practice a lot. And learn how to use a color wheel. Get up and stay safe.
     
  3. ElbowMacK187

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  4. InkSpot

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    How long have you been doing graff? How long were you filling black books before doing walls? Let's hear it from anyone willing to share
     
  5. gumOnShoe

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    Most good graffiti writers I've noticed from meeting them/ hearing stories did a balance of both graffiti and blackbooks during the beginning.

    Paper and walls are different worlds to conquer. A well rounded seasoned writer will have good blackbooks and graffiti. Get out there and crush shit but if you wanna stay fresh out here, hit your blackbook frequently trying new shit out and testing it. Sometimes I put up some questionable shit but that's natural with how often you should be trying new things, unless you're like a legend or someshit or you purposely go out and only do the same thing as your niche, but if not, try new shit and letter/color schemes out frequently.

    Imo your general routine should be blackbooks then test your shit whatever it was you practiced. Rinse and repeat. Some people just stay drawing shit and stay static like that, then you go try to bomb and your shits looking cooked. That shit be happening to me when I take breaks then go paint after the first few times. You gotta really be generally active to have that control over your tools out there when you paint. So thats why i think having a balance is good for writers starting out because you have the muscle memory from rocking shit outside and the creative drive to make a variety of pieces/characters
     
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  6. InkSpot

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    I see. I would have liked to build both skills simultaneously but in a smaller town like mine where there are no writers it's only a matter of time before you're busted, so the first wall I could hit was the one I finally built in my backyard. I guess if you're dedicated enough you find a way. Do you think most writers work their way up in the traditional tags-throw ups-pieces kind of growth structure? Or do they start based on their level of artistic skill? Throw ups can be cool but they are nothing compared to a well-done piece and I have almost no interest in developing that skill besides the desire to be versatile in all the different styles of graffiti.
     
  7. gumOnShoe

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    the legends in my city say you have master your tags throws and pieces in that order, and then you can move on to art and characters and shit. However, seeing as how not everyone is from new york they wont exactly adapt that model because they’ve got their own model of what good graffiti is and thats ok, but for me, im practicing them in that order, then ill move on to a full art/graff hybrid. With a main focus on simplicity and cartoonish shit cause thats my niche
     
  8. InkSpot

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    I feel ya. And obviously there's no exact science now that it is a world-wide art form, but I do know there are sticklers that think you have to do it exactly the way that they did or you're not doing it right. Gotta love the narcissism of people thinking their way is the only way. As I said earlier there aren't any other writers in my area so I am just curious as to the opinions of the people that share the passion. I can't even get an educated opinion on my sketches let alone someone to guide me through the culture or advice on techniques. Good thing there are places like this forum, YouTube and Google to help me find the way.
     
  9. ElbowMacK187

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    A nice basic tag can be turnd into a nasty peice.
    Bacon does this alot .

    Learning to walk befor you run is the main key .


    I stated in 08-09 toy as fuck way worse then you are now . its time, pratice, dedication .
    And learning the basics .
    I didnt at first and had to go back and re learn them in just the past years and my shit got drasticly better
    So when we say do simples and no extras it not to be a dick its the way to learn how letters should and shoulsnt flow . trial and eror . time and time again



    I painted first befor any thing . was horrible . but was instantly hooked . after the first year of painting alot and not geting betters when I got a book amd shortly after found this site . got called a toy and left lol disnt want to listen ..did my own thing. geting up and painting. but never really progressing to wear i wanted to be luckly all the real ass hole dont troll this site no more the ass holes are now me and gum hahahahaha. So be it! Lol we will help people that will listen but when they dont listen and do the same shit over and over then you get called toy.
    And go away hopefuly .
    Its not for every body the harsh crits are just part of the game you think when you and the boys hit the trains and ya shits whack ya homie wont be like "bro thats shits garbage " they will lol. And jelly mofos be the wrost if they can see the potential they will hate the most lol.

    As for yours the sketch on papper i had said to lose the extras but then you painted the same shit so I didnt want to say anything. Cus it would have probly been mean and along the lines of your a toy that dont listen lol
    But thats being said seriously try to paint somthing simple no extras . keyboard leters one way 3d and a sheild . thats how you'll build your controll .save all cuts for the end as well . and always go bigger with paint its easy to cut a bigger line then a thinner one . .
    I started to dudble out like my hole letters now and it looks solid as fuck

    Heres some trash from december 08 and I rember writeing 09 and my homie was like thats a month away this will be buffed befor then . lol its still runing RN haha

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  10. InkSpot

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    Yeah man the harsh criticism is what I'm here for. I was sick of all my friends telling me how great my sketches were because they don't know a thing about graff. And it's not that I don't want to listen, it's just can be difficult to cut back and simplify when the images in my mind aren't simple. But then I see the contrast between sketch and wall and I totally see where you guys are coming from. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose ambition exceeds skill level. I'm just glad I finally got this wall built so that I can start practicing can control. But damn, some of these guys make this shit look so easy. Criticism and advice much appreciated!
     
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  11. SUG

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    Elbow is totally right...I started painting only 2 years ago and I'm still on pretty basic letter structure. The times I do go out most likely just gonna be throws and tags...but the personal wall does help you tremendously getting the understanding of the flow of paint...trail and error. And speaking of the tag to piece thing elbow mentioned...I tried it (was inspired by aches)...should have added a shadow or something extra prob. Would have made it look a little better

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  12. gumOnShoe

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    Word, back when me and elbo first came on here we would get dissed heavy, I remember we even dissed each other the environment was very elitist and we didnt know shit, trust. But both of us progressed a lot over the years after being called toys from different people, we took the beating and learned from it instead of harboring a resentment for writers on some "fuck them bro no one understands me". You need that annoying ass drill sergeant in your ear screaming shit or you wont grow thick skin you'll be a pussy and undisciplined.
     
  13. InkSpot

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    Here are the more simple sketches that I have made. What are your thoughts? Should I simplify more than this? I just can't be the guy that makes the same sketch over and over with a different color scheme.

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  14. Andy B

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    They are right. Practice. Having your own wall will help. Criticism will always be there, good or bad. You got to keep at it. You practiced until you learned how to write your own name, it's the same principle. Practice, seek advice and criticism. Practice, get better. Get up and stay safe.
     
  15. ElbowMacK187

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    This bottom on is the best one but needs work . like first thing that catches the eye is none of the letters are the same hieght / size .
    Try makeing 3 lines like in school when you learn how to write all that same stuff applies here the cap hight, med line ,and base line .


    Cap: the top pf each letter should reach about the same hieght every were .

    Medline: where all the midle of your letter line up . you dont have meny middle letters but for instant the k and p have middle conections and should be close to the same height at the medline and where the conecting parts end .

    Base line . only things that should go under this are the bottom legs on y ,g. And barley the g. But thats my opinion on that. It should be were the strongest base of your letter should sit



    Then you got lines that go farther then the bar there coming from
    The in side the k is right.. the n is wrong but with paint its good to run them long and cut it back but in the book deff practice where it should really end .

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  16. ElbowMacK187

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  17. InkSpot

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    Alright man, I'll definitely try the 3 lines on my next sketch. That last one was simple and sloppy for the same reason, when I drew that one I was going for speed and to see what would happen without too much thought so I actually didn't even sketch before outline and the whole thing was done in 5 minutes. So to make sure I'm understanding you correctly, the 'n' is wrong because it's upper-case but it's shorter than the tallest letter? I'll try to start applying the less-is-more idea to some of my stuff. I do a little bit of everything because I want to learn everything. Only about half of my sketches are my name, and that's because I want to know how to do graff for more than 7 letters of the alphabet. Don't want to be a one-trick pony so my thoughts were that you had to swing and miss to learn how to hit the ball. Plus I guess I was hoping that the 10 art classes I took in highschool qualified me to jump a step or two. Haha. But it can't hurt to take a step back and really master the basics. Thanks for taking the time to help me out!
     
  18. InkSpot

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    And I'll check it those videos too! I am actually already subscribed to the artist block but I have probably a dozen other great channels so I don't think I've seen these yet. Do you ever watch Duplex Clone? His 'sketch a day may' videos have given me a lot of inspiration
     
  19. ElbowMacK187

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    Nah I havent and no I was strickly talking about this one line .
    I colored it red so you know what it should look like

    But really none of this maters today in this stupid fucking art form shit like this gets mad likes. When my ass dont get 40 lol

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  20. InkSpot

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    Oh okay, I understand now. And yeah I guess with the likes some of it is style preference and some of it is just the subject matter. So of course that one is at least partially popular and has mass appeal because it says kind bud, and everybody nowadays thinks smoking weed is the best thing in the world that you can do. Like when I was younger smoking pot I thought I had some kind of connection to other people just because they smoke, but now when everybody and their grandma smokes or dabs, there's a much higher percentage of people that do it just because they think it makes then cool. As for style preference, there are some styles-one specifically that I don't know how to categorize- that I just don't find aesthetically pleasing. Despite the fact that I realize how technical, and detailed it is, and I know that I could never create something like that, I just don't like the way it looks. And I know at least part of that is because I think legibility is key, and if you can't read it, it might as well say nothing. But just my opinion I guess. Like this one, what do you call this style?

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